Why do gamedevs do this?

Do what?

>>715638067
Ottomans were white

Left = base class
Right = after 1 class promotion

>>715638285
Then why is turkey brown?

they wernt white the sultan would just rape some kidnapped white slace and breed her and the successor of the sultan would be half white. any white turk is the reuslt of kidnapping, slavery and rape. you think white swould go in that shithole on purpose

>>715638518
whiter than you juan

>>715637583 (OP)
Eek
>>715638285
Western bias and fag/gamedev bias too

>>715637583 (OP)
T*rks think they look like left
T*rks actually look like right

>>715638285
Turks are not Afghans

>>715638285
>kebabs
>white

>>715638519
They were doing that for at least 100 years by the time of Suleiman. The Ottoman Empire lasted another 300 years after that, doing the same thing. They might as well have been.
>>715638518
Because they kicked all the Christians out in the 20th century in a mutual ethnic cleansing with Greece, whereby Greece did the same with Muslims.

why did they wear those giant garlic hats?

>>715638285
No, by the end of the byzantine empire what little levantine dna from greece left was completely wiped out of their genetic pool, and after centuries of getting cucked by the arab subhumans that made up the tribes in their south, they turned into a race of mongrelized turdies too stupid to run an empire.
The whites with ottoman clothing are often serbs, bulgarians or greek.

>>715638862
It's where they store their emergency crab juice between trips.

>>715638952
>serbs
>bulgarians
>greeks
>>>>white

>>71563873
Still more white than USA

>>715638518
Why is France and UK brown?

>>715638952
>centuries of getting cucked by the arab subhumans that made up the tribes in their south, they turned into a race of mongrelized turdies too stupid to run an empire
Ottomans stagnated and lost because the elite class (janissaries) opposed all reforms. Your post is retarded, modern anatolian turks have no arab dna

>>715638519
Dude they're not even real turks they're western turks aka greeks, that's the fucking joke, it's greeks mad at greeks for running an empire built on slavic muscle

>turks are just anatolian Muslim Greeks
>greeks are just Balkan Christian Greeks
>absolutely despise each other
>palestinians are just Muslim jews
>israelis are just German Jews
>both genocidal to each other
What do you call this?

>>715639278
That's the only color that actually does work

>>715639981
Mutt reality

>>715639981
Not entirely accurate. Israelis are Russian Jews. Americans are German Jews.

>>715638285
I love it when foreigners try to dictate other country's history. You're doing the exact same shit as the leftists.

>>715637583 (OP)
Why do painters do this?

>>715638518
Turkey is white you beened brainwash by amerimutts to not accept Anatolians as same as balkan or hellenes

>>715638285
No, not really, but they sure as fuck were not Arabs (OP right pic). Turks were indigenous to what is now Western China and Mongolia. They were expelled in waves by various Chinese states and the Mongols in the first millenium. They were contemporaries of the Kipchak and Cumans, other Turkic-speaking tribes who reliable and varied sources describe as fair skinned and dark to light hair. "Cuman" means, literally and directly, "the white people" as a description of their skin and hair. There's no need to appeal to mythology, cultures that had been accurately describing foreigners for thousands of years describe the early Turks as fair and thin people. Now, this doesn't mean they are "white" in the sense of Western Europeans or Brits or Germanics. Rather, that they are white in the sense of modern Siberians. They look distinctly "Asiatic" but with light features.
>So, the Ottomans were white?
No, not really. By the time the Ottoman Turks came into being, the original early Turks had been residing in Eastern Anatolia for hundreds of years, and this time had been the most intense phase of the Arab Expansion. They picked up quite a bit of Arab admixture during that time. The OP pic on the left is probably an idealized painting. Blue eyes were not in the cards, and Turks have never had a ruddy complexion in all of history. You can compare this portrait to other depictions of Suleimen I, which show him as a typical Asiatic. The facial structure of the left pic is true to form, however, with a long bridged but thin nose, a recessed chin and thin facial hait (which probably wasn't brown).
>So, the Turks are more like the right?
No, definately not. Right is a clear Arab, with thick facial hair and eyebrows, a massive and thick hooked nose, and brown (not black or gray-tinged) eyes.

>>715638285
lmao

Why do you people do this? You're talking about goddamn empires, nobody really gave a fuck about race. For fuck's sake, there were Roman Emperors with Arab heritage. Nationalism as we know it today wasn't really a thing back then

>>715639524
>modern

And old, Anatolia was always inhabited by indo europeans since the bronze age

>>715641028
Neither were all empires the Roman empire. The majority of empires had a pretty fucking racially homogeneous line of emperors often being just straight up familial dynasties. The Ottoman Empire was unequivocally a Turkic empire and the ruling class was of Turkic. Turks were NOT white (nor arab either)

>>715637583 (OP)
That's not Civ 6, is it? I thought he looked like this.

>>715641443
No it wasn't. Hardly anyone who lived in the Ottoman Empire was a mongolian Turk from the steppes.

>>715641028
>Turks were le diverse!
>so may we see single brown Sultan?
>n-no, but what if blackest gorilla nigger trader stayed a night with a princess, got her pregnant, what then? There’s always good chance Turks were secretly black

>>715641597
>reading comprehension

Why do Balkan fags absolutely seethe when presented with the knowledge that they were raped by their own kind for half a millennium?

>>715638285
>WE WUZ OTTOMANS 'N SHIEEEEEET
Do chuds really

>>715638285
only when you want to take credit for their accomplishments, just like everyone on the mediterranean

>>715641854
Forgot to include, image represents the birthplace of each Ottoman Grand Vizier

why are you a twittoid complaining about color hues?

>>715641869
Ask Turks if they are white

Turks are 100% BLACK, NIGGA

>>715642062
What's your definition of "white"? Are all Caucasian people white? Are all Europeans white? "White" is way too broad of a term

>>715641028
>Nationalism as we know it today wasn't really a thing back then
Yeah, because it was simply assumed. Feudalism as we know it today wasn't really a thing back in medival times. Because that was a term modern people invented to describe what people were doing. Just like Nationalism. No one walked around 12th century Burgundy and asserted that Feudalism is great/sucks. It's just the way it was. Same as no one walked around Iconium and asserted Turkic Nationalism is greak/sucks. Because that's just what people were doing then.

>>715637583 (OP)
it could be worse.

>>715642165
kara boga trvke

>>715642165
KARA BOĞA?

>>715639657
Anatolians aren't Greek nor were they ever. Also Jannisaries were bodyguards.

irish, italians, and ib*rians arent white
there, i said it

>>715641028
>nobody really gave a fuck about race
This is just not true. In fact, racism was WORSE than it is today, because unlike today it wasn't just about being "white" or whatever, but much more deep seated and detailed. Since you brought them up, the Romans literally had several brutal uprisings of their italic tribal vassals specifically because they were not considered true Romans.
And Nationalism is literally just the evolution of tribalism, something as old as humanity itself. Family into Tribe into Nation.

>>715637583 (OP)
long lost ancestor

>>715637583 (OP)
I bet you think every Ancient Greek was ripped and lacquered in the finest porcelain too

The Ottoman royalty were all white. The Sultans had kids with kidnapped & enslaved White Christian women concubines, that kid would take the throne & do the same, a few generations and any native Turk was bred out. It was done deliberately to keep any wealthy Ottoman families from trying to use a daughter as a way to get influence.

>>715643070
>irish
How the fuck are Irish people not white? They're the most pale motherfuckers I've ever seen. I get it's some sort of joke, but jokes have to make some sense, no? I bet they're horrified of what the sun could do to their skin. Not to mention they have a very high redhead ratio

>>715637583 (OP)
I remember how they've made the leader for Georgia brown in Civ 6, and the georgians were so mad that the devs had to make her skin lighter.

>>715643498
Brits spread the idea that Irish weren't white to justify their apartheid state

>>715637583 (OP)
His mother was a concubine or slave who could have been white, but there's no confirmation on her ethnicity.

Other than that Suleiman's father was a deranged fucker said to have killed any of the sons who expressed interest in ruling.

>>715638285
"this obvious brown guy was white, actually, because i like them" is the weirdest fucking cope man

>>715641854
>>715641954
he doesnt know about the Devshirme

>>715638952
At no point were Turks ever cucked by Arabs lmao. The Arabs were literally overthrown by their Mamluk (turkic) slave class and then, 1000 years later, needed British and French help to bail them out of Ottoman rule. They are pathetic.

Is Civ 6 any good? Never played the series before but if it's free might give it a whirl.

>>715642165
>>715642851
>>715642852
DAS RITE

>>715638285
Turks come from Mongolia

>>715637583 (OP)
Which is actually funny because Ottoman royalty was indeed White and Caucasian, except for the earliest period.

ITT: the scittering of a thousand legs

>>715638952
>The whites with ottoman clothing are often serbs, bulgarians or greek.
Then why is Turkey so much better than those shitholes

>>715644279
Yeah, it's really good. Some people prefer 5, but they are both good games. You might feel a bit lost in the beginning, but just start on an easier difficulty and a smaller map and you'll do fine.

>>715644107
and this bailout led directly to the formation of Israel lol

the creation of the most evil state of mankind, the eventual instigator of WW3, came about because a bunch of Arabs and Germans sucked ass at running their countries

>>715644931
Is that really the fault of the Arabs tho when you think about it? The British did promise them a unified Arab country. The British backstabbed them, of course, they're worse than Jews. What I don't get is why the average Arab is so hell bend on trying to get rid of Israel. Do they really want all of those millions of Jews back in their country? Why would you want that? The Arabs should fight for Palestine, but make sure Israel exists as a containment zone. That's the entire reason it was created to begin with

>>715640165
My man that painting was done of that Sultan in his lifetime and he’s Whiter than me. Someone who is 100% European.

>>715645168
I don't think the jews will be welcome in Muslim countries if Israel falls

>>715644279
I've played Civ 2-6 and found 6 to be the worst. Everything before 3 is going to feel really dated. 4 is my favorite, but I wouldn't say 5 is worse. 6 is really fucking easy if you have any background in Civ.

>>715644302
No, they come from central asia, as did the Aryans and most likely all of humanity.

>>715645315
Bruh the country with the largest %age of Jews in government, after the US, is Iran. You do not understand how Semites do.

>>715645168
it's a bit like blaming the refs for a team losing a game. it might be technically true, but the blame ultimately lies with the team for putting themselves in a position where a bad call can decide their fate

>>715645315
They will be because Arabs are naive, gullible and stupid. They're not getting rid of 6 million or however many Jews are there. The Jews that are there in Israel are absolutely NEVER leaving that place, even if Israel gets disbanded. Israel might become some South Africa melting pot 1 state with Palestine fused into it. From that point on, they'll find their way back to the Arab countries. They'll probably flock to the ones with the most capital like the Gulf countries

I foolishly entered this thread thinking it was going to be about big/silly hats
I fucking love it when there's big silly hats in games

>>715638518
Because there's sun you retard.

>>715643176
>>715642434
>>715641443
It was more based around the culture, religion and stories. Especially among seafaring people

>>715644279
I'd start with 5 but either are pretty good

If I could choose my race I would’ve picked Turkish due to the amount of seething my existence would generate online.

>>715646658
Don’t check Lira inflation

>>715646658
a family friend's husband is Turkish and it drives him nuts. after the Arab Spring people would come up to him and be like "so... how are things at home?", and he'd screech that he wasn't arabic

he made a good cup of tea tho

>>715637583 (OP)
what is the reasoning for wearing such a hat

>>715638519
Sounds like the rapists got raped lol

>>715647879
drip. you wouldn't get it boomer

>>715641028
>Roman Emperors with Arab heritage
He was born in Roman occupied territory, that doesn't mean he was a sand nigger, retard.

>>715641712
Mustafa Kemal was not Turkish, he was Sephardim.
But yes, the Osman sultans were primarily Turkic, later mixed with Slavic from harems.

>>715639981
>Both genocidal to each other
Make no mistake, the genocide going on right now is one sided.

>>715647879
It gives them a dual intimidation and charisma modifier

>>715646243
...but Turks aren't seafaring. What's your point?

>>715638285

>>715638285
no we werent

>>715648048
Philip the Arab definitely had an Arab background

>>715640578
This is /v/, nobody cares about your knowledge. We worship emotional whiplash responses that can be conveyed in 1-2 sentences for our adhd riddled 80iq minds. So kindly fuck off Mr Smarty Pants
That said, well thought out post.

>>715648171
>But yes, the Osman sultans were primarily Turkic, later mixed with Slavic from harems.
Ah yes.... so this is the reason the Ottoman Empire declined... They became Slavtards. What a way to go out

>>715641575
i fucking love suleiman in civ6

>>715637583 (OP)

>>715637583 (OP)
They're racists, but the leftist kind of racist.

>>715644392
>Whenever a new race is introduced it takes half the bar width
Environmental storytelling.

The jannysaries are out of control again...

>>715644392
>ottomans conquer as Turks
>become effeminate with Greeks
>start collapsing when breeding with sl*vs

>>715637583 (OP)
how do you get the thing so big on the left? it looks awesome, i want to wear a giant garlic on my head too

>>715637583 (OP)
To trigger Turks. It's a sophisticated form of trolling hiding behind woke politics

>>715637583 (OP)
Isn't this racist. Turks don't look like that

>>715638518
It's brown on the outside, white on the inside

>>715649029
It's even bigger in the full portrait

>>715643237
Jej

>>715647879
To signal they have a big brain.

>>715645409
The Proto-Turkic Urheimat is in Mongolia. Central Asia was actually inhabited by Indo-Europeans before the Turkics invaded the region and wiped them out.

>>715648293
>>715638285
I still don't understand how people don't know that the balkans/ottoman empire was the mutt nation before the USA.
They're pretty similar too. They like local/fresh produce, like meat a lot, like guns and hate their neighbours

>>715649223
holy fuck

>>715649223
Is that his hitbox?

>>715649087
This makes it much more acceptable.

>>715649413
It was illegal for a white to marry a black person in most states just 100 years ago. The idea of interacial marriage trending specifically only started with Gen X onward.

>>715649585
its hiding his brain
like a conehead

>>715643237
Still don't know why he felt the need to emphasize "ME"

>>715638285
>Ottomans were white
Literally. Here's the descendants of the actual Ottoman Sultans

>>715641028
The Romans pretty much lost control of the tiger they were riding when Marcus Aurelius died. After that, it was just usurper after usurper after usurper. Of course there were some non-Roman Roman emperors during the Crisis of the 3rd Century when all you needed to be emperor was to serve in the military and successfully kill the previous emperor. But even then, we don't know what the real ethnicity of those non-Roman Roman emperors was. There were plenty of Romans who colonized those areas because they got plots of land from military service. Unless the contemporaries specifically tell us what their heritage was, it's a 50/50 chance of them being a Roman colonial or one of the people getting colonized.

>>715650040
yeah bro, totally white and no asiatic DNA at all in there. I mean look at those eyes! Do those look like the eyes of a filthy steppe nomad to you????

>>715642653
VII is WAAAAAAAY worse than every other Civ game since I.

>>715644279
Every civ game is better than the previous one up until Civ VII. It might only be a small bit better overall, but it's an improvement nonetheless.

>>715650040
Their father is a British man who married an "Ottoman" princess. They're not Ottomans.

An ottoman is a fucking couch, the dynasty is Osman.

>>715650175
Ottomans stopped being steppe nomads by 1300s. Every Ottoman sultan who ever did anything of note had a European mother.

>>715644279
Civ6 was the end. 5 had some questionable design decisions but was overall good at the end. 6 just shat the bed from start to finish. Districts were such a monumental mistake it's not even funny.

>>715649087
Always been like this. I also suspect BG3's goblins have some kind of influence

>>715644302
No, Turks are mutt babies of several different ethnic groups. One of which is the turkic people, who came from west of Mongolia, what is nowadays the -stan countries.

>uhh actually ottomans became white after 10 generations of steppe nomad invaders taking european captives into their harems for hundreds of years

>>715650652
I mean yea, why not?

Why retards ITT and 4chan in general keep bringing up mongolia anytime turks are mentioned? Ottomans literally migrated from Merv in modern day Turkmenistan. Turks have literally nothing to do with mongols

>>715638952
greece is literally in front of turkey how can you say stupid shit like this and think you are right?

>>715650737
Same reason period sources use "Tatar", "Turk" and "Mongol" interchangeably.

>>715650652
The same thing happened to the Normans
>Invade England
>Force everyone to speak French
>400 years later the Norman-descended King is 95% Anglo and forces everyone to speak English because he wants to kill the French

>>715650737
Same reason German and British sources call the Eastern Roman Empire "Byzantium".

>>715650737
So which is it, ignorance
>>715650872

or politics
>>715651006

?

>>715650737
Because they share the same heritage. I migrated from Cleveland to Miami, why do people still think I'm white?

>>715651061
Little bit of column A, little bit of column B plus a healthy dose of Finngol memes.

Isn't funny how literally every single civilization that isn't white European is a backwards inbred shithole full of rape ritualistic child sacrifice and cannibalism?

>>715638285
Excellent bait, made me reply

>>715643237
kek

>>715650737
Maybe they assume turks are mongols because turkic tribes used khan as a title or they think the seljuk were mongol for some reason

>>715651162
What same heritage?
Turkics and mongols have
>different religion
>different customs
>different genetics
By the time Ottomans reached Anatolia they were already half west eurasian genetically

>>715651292
Japan isn't. They're honorary Aryans.

>>715643237
Hahaha

>>715651465
HAHAHAHAHAHA read a book you fucking weeb gaijan, Japanese people hate your existence and are disgusted by you, Japs are pedophile bug people

>>715651457
"Ottomans" never reach Anatolia. A Turkish tribe already in Anatolia established the name. And yiou have the causal relationship backwards: by the time the early Turks reached Anatolia, half of West Eurasian gentics was Turkish.

The Turks of the 9th century really were the same heritage as the contemporary Mongols, Kipchaks, Pechenegs, Cumans, et al. Things have diverged since then to some extent.

>>715649223
Is that where he keeps is wife?