>we should bankrupt publishers just so 3 people can play 'Big Chungus 4: This Time It's Personal' in eternal perpetuity
This is why you don't trust random midwits on youtube to make laws that affect a trillion dollar industry

>>715643850 (OP)
Not my problem

>>we should bankrupt publishers just so 3 people can play 'Big Chungus 4: This Time It's Personal' in eternal perpetuity
yes but unironically

>we should bankrupt publishers just so 3 people can play 'Big Chungus 4: This Time It's Personal' in eternal perpetuity
Yes? If they cannot provide their costumers with the goods they sold them, they should not be in business.

>>715643850 (OP)
Keep seething

>>715643850 (OP)
>nooooo why do you want to own and keep playing what you paid for noooooo, says the multi billion dollar company

Fuck off kike

How can indie devs afford to develop locally hosted dedicated servers?

>>715643850 (OP)

I don't care about customers nor developers. I support this solely to make GaaS and by extension SaaS harder and hopefully go extinct.

Steam with Goldberg. Literally the best way to play digital, trust me trust me.

Yes.

>But then they shouldn't make them!
Good. SKG will save games from shitty live services games once and for all, by making sure they never get made again.

>>715643850 (OP)
Why are americans such bootlickers? They literally piss and shit their pants over the mere implication of Mr Shekelstein being a cent poorer, why?

My big deal is why are people trying to champion for AAA game preservations, when very few online only games are even that good to begin with?

>>715643850 (OP)
What's so expensive about it?
Just give people the server software to run private servers under license.

>"an offline mode patch could bankrupt a AAA publisher"
They'd deserve it.

>>715643850 (OP)
>>we should bankrupt publishers
Yes

>>715643850 (OP)
>we should bankrupt publishers
yes

>community servers is prohibitively expensive
anyway, i don't think publishers should be legally forced to do it. this thing is retarded, and stems from a youtuber not being able to play a car slop game forever. just play another car slop game, lol

>>715643850 (OP)
adding seatbelts to every car would be prohibitively expensive. all car manufacturers would go out of business practically overnight. we need to put a stop to this stop killing passengers initiative immediately.

>>715643850 (OP)
>we should bankrupt publishers
Didn't need anymore of that other shit you just spouted. I was already sold on those 4 words alone.

>>715643850 (OP)
Not my problem, also, Good.

>>715644229
>Why are americans such bootlickers?
Their entire history is one big corpo lobby, this shouldn't surprise you

>>715643850 (OP)
>allow people online yo set up private servers of live service games
>this will somehow ruin publishers.
Kill yourself OP and take your shitty bait with you,

>>715643850 (OP)
AI will bankrupt those publishers faster than SKG ever will

>>715644703
GM was clearly right considering how utterly soulless and shitty modern cars are thanks to regulation.

>friendslops are already peer to peer anyway
>old multiplayer games is still playable despite GameSpy shutting down
>Megaman X Dive and Animal Crossing Pocket Camp exist
Just fucking shut up

>"prohibitively expensive" says publishers currently funding $300 million hero shooter #819

>>715643850 (OP)
>This is why you don't trust random midwits on youtube to make laws that affect a trillion dollar industry
that's right, that's why professionals will study the petition and make laws based on it

>It costs too much money to add an offline button

>>715643850 (OP)
skill issue, code better

>>715643850 (OP)
PUBLISHERS ARE FUCKING LEECHES
I WISH DEATH AND DESTRUCTION UPON THEIR FAMILIES AND THEIR CROPS

>>715644229
Japanese are sooo much worse, the idea of foreigners pirating shit makes them seethe

>>715644703
>completely destroy your national car industry with dysfunctional government overreach, creating infamous ghost cities where bustling economies once existed
>see? it was a good thing!

>we need more money to make flops and to cancel games!
Have they tried, I dunno... Making better games that sell well so the cost isn't an issue?

>>715643850 (OP)
>>715645026
>>715644239
Not an argument. Try again or kill yourself fast (if you don't have access to a gun or a tall building, you can put a car in neutral on a slope and get your head under the tire).

>>715643850 (OP)
>Major publishers insist
Hohohoho, but you will pay, everyone will pay and I will keep my gamus

>>715644229
The story begins with a thing called the Federal Reserve...

>>715643850 (OP)
>>we should bankrupt publishers
Yes.

SHILL THREAD
OP IS BROWN
CALL OUT EVERY BULLSHIT ARGUMENT FOR OTHER ANONS

AAA IS AFRAID OF THIS SUCCEEDING, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE OUT IN FULL FORCE EVERYWHERE
WE ARE ON TARGET, DO NOT DISENGAGE

>>715645597
>2025
>owning a car

>>715645492
because fuel economy regulations were what caused every first world country to export low skilled manufacturing jobs to the 3rd world.

>>715643850 (OP)
oh look its the consequences of their actions. death to all devs/publishers doing predatory practices

>it's expensive for us to allow players to make and host their own servers

of course it is

>>715643850 (OP)
I don’t care what kinds of meaningless complaints publishers make. They’ll say anything to get out of this. It’s not hard to just keep a game playable after they abandon it. It’s a deliberate choice on their part to bar you from making your own fan server or whatever.

>>715645492
People unironically think this is the scary thing.
>You can't enact that law because the corporations will take their ball and go home
>Oh... shit! Darn! I guess our hands our tied then! Alright, resume fucking me in the ass.

>>715643850 (OP)
It's not "prohibitively expensive". It just steers publishers away from big live service schlock and back into smaller singleplayer games.

>>715643850 (OP)
I would care more if this was about saving actual gold games that have died. But most people want this to play the old cawdooty or FIFA game. Fuck normal fags and fuck normal fag games.

>>715643850 (OP)
>major publishers insist the bottom line is too
impossibly expensive to meet
>major publishers like the ones that pumped a 400,000,000$ (four hundered million) dollar flop that was total recalled in under a month
nah they can find a way to make it work

>>715643850 (OP)
>prohibitively expensive
They said the same thing about seat belts.

>>715643850 (OP)
yes
fuck publishers
don't release games you can't support or aren't willing to release server.exe for

>>715644703
>US school buses STILL don't have seatbelts thanks to lobbying and bogus "research" saying shit like "it's better to be thrown out of the bus than to be crushed between a car and the bus"

>>715643850 (OP)
>The government is literally ran by pedo's who want to enslave us all and will abuse all power they hold
>But lets totally trust to give them more power so they can save my bing bang wahoo machines
You lefties are utterly deranged.

>>715643850 (OP)
yes i hate the gaming industry and I hope every studio goes bankrupt

>>715645425
>""engineer"" can't think of a way to engineer a game that doesn't exist yet to give players a CHANCE to run it in a limited capacity without official support
Either these people are corporate mouthpieces or they're frauds. Go solve some practical problems.

>>715646017
Good morning to you too, Babel Media sir.

>>715646017
I just want to kill AAA gaming

>>715645492
If your industry cannot survive without fucking over its customers, it doesn't deserve to survive.

>>715643850 (OP)
please explain in extreme details how any publisher or dev would go bankrupt for implementing something which was the default for many years for many games and which was and still is implemented by many devs, even indie ones.

>>715643850 (OP)
It wouldnt be expensive compared to a need to constantly maintain servers for a game to function. Stop making games online dependent. Give players the tools to run their own servers. Its that shrimple.

>>715646017
Sar....deploy the needful

>>715646190
Yeah I'm sure all the car industry workers were so happy about losing their jobs to liberal policies which included importing a shitload of cheap nigger diversity labor to car hubs like Detroit.

>>715645930
and cheap euro roaming
and airbags
and the montreal ban on freon or whatever it was called
and lead paint
and clean air/water act
and minimum wage laws
and osha
and child labor laws
and public smoking/drinking bans
and so on so forth

every single time corpos wail and cry about something it's a literal non-issue
FUCK ALL CORPOS
ALL CORPO RATS MUST DIE

>>715646163
>>715646319
>STILL can't refute my argument
No wonder you commies keep losing ground and have to rely on censoring people.

>>715643850 (OP)
i still don't understand the big fuss, you can still play cs1.6 to this day, no? Valve isn't losing billions keeping it are they

>>715646351
explain how forcing car industries to use seatbelts is connected to " importing a shitload of cheap nigger diversity labor to car hubs like Detroit".

>>715643850 (OP)
not my heckin corporationos!

>>715646398
Yeah, and now everything is way more expensive and people are being paid less. Way to go, you saved the world again useful idiot!

>>715645492
Of course it was government overreach, and not inefficient spending and poor quality output catching up to the former greats of the American industry. It's not like it's Ford's choice to push out 3-cylinder Ecoboosts with timing belts that are slowly disintegrating into motor oil that they bathe in. It's not like it's EA's choice to torch every franchise they have and send their devs to slave in Battlefield mines.

>>715646474
what fucking argument, your retarded emotional headcanon? fuck off pajeet sisterfucker

But they cannot even make laws, or agree on what they want.
> hurpa derp politicans want easy wins
> durr let me try to push them to have them decide for me what to do about digital ownership

>>715644703
lol

>>715646618
Imagine being this entrenched with gaslighting yourself you really can't see what's put in front of your face if it goes against your ideals.

>>715646570
maybe in corporate bootlicking america, not where i live, also prove it's totally the regulations fault, not greedy corpos wanting to make even more money

>>715646017
And it's also completely unrelated that all of the child-rapists like Trump and McConnell are also corporate shills, right?

>>715646520
Exact same entities going through the exact same procedures in a consistent manner. But let me guess, it was justified because it was done in "good faith".

The market could have solved this, and may still
>clear demand for open server kits when service end-of-life reached
>most corpos don't want this because they only end service when the game either dies, or they want to release game 2: same shit again
>some corpos see way to harvest good will, and release server tools at end-of-life
>good press, high praise and they're the heroes of the industry
>boosts sales of game 2
That's how it works
Trying to force it by appealing to big daddy government is another way to do it, well maybe

>>715646707
imagine working for babel media and being brown and indian, i pity you
well i don't, go fuck your sister

>>715643850 (OP)
>we should bankrupt publishers
yes

>>715643850 (OP)
Soon

>>715645930
Cars and housing are indeed prohibitively expensive. People live in a complete dystopia compared to 50 years ago and just try to normalize it.

i hope this also regulates bullshit like anti-piracy shit like denuvo

>>715646745
okay but explain the connection, like eli5. explain in detail.

>>715646726
>not where i live
lol. lmao. Thats because you just have gotten used to being poor and paying more.

>>715646731
>Literally proving my point that all you seething lefties who call people pedo's want to give said pedo's even more power

>>715645492
protectionism would have prevented that, instead you welcomed globalization and the rule of rootless corpos

>>715646772
>The market could have solved this
It could.
But it won't.

>>715646897
>n-no you're just poor
but enough about corporate america

>>715643850 (OP)
>actually using our vast pool of resources to keep the promises we made is too expensive
Well maybe you'll take this lesson to heart for the future then.

>>715646745
How is the government to blame for corpos actively choosing malicious compliance?

how come corporations are allowed lobby but when consumers do it its communism?

>>715643850 (OP)
How are you gonna do that with World of Warcraft?

>>715646953
>But america!
I don't live in America. Thank you for once again proving that you retards gaslight yourself to insult people only to lose the argument anyway.

>>715643850 (OP)
>"prohibitively expensive" man I remember when dedicated servers were so prohibitively expensive that they couldn't allow games like ID Software, Epic Games or other game companies from releasing dedicated server binaries

Remember when even mods could provide server binaries for dedicated servers? Or how they keep insisting that singleplayer games can't possibly be played offline.

Or how mmorpgs absolutely cannot be hosted privately because it's absolutely impossible? Like how it provided City of Heroes, Star Wars Galaxies, Age of Reckoning, Final Fantasy XI and so on and yet it's impossible to do so?

Or how even gacha games got released as singleplayer games, thus proving it is possible such as Mega Man X Dive? But it's impossible they say...

>>715643850 (OP)
>it'll bankrupt us to set up server connectivity infrastructure such that you can connect your game to your servers instead of our servers
They are simply lying, but honestly even if they aren't, good, I hope they go bankrupt then.

>>715647049
it isn't, every single person telling you corpos are the good guys are corpo shills and useful idiots, nothing more
wanting mmore consumer rights is the complete opposite of communism

>>715646707
It's OK, this fucker will be the first one to die against Russia/China. Statist drones WILL march to their deaths.

>>715646190
Well guess what, fucko, it's still surviving by peddling shittier and shittier product while also replacing the domestic worker.

>>715647049
Nobody says this. You are burning strawmen again.

>>715645804
Except that it was free trade deals such as NAFTA for example which drove deindustralization in the US, moving their car industry to Mexico where labor was cheaper (as a government policy mind you).

>>715643927
Based.
They said the same thing with seatbells.
>>715644229
They have been gaslighted to believe they are 'the best nation in the World' and 'nothing you do will ever matter'.
It's a nation of inbred cucks.

>>715647076
don't fucking care pajeet, this proposition is getting read in eu parliament and not amount of crying is going to change it
your sister and mother fuck donkeys
go and throw yourself into a shit pile in front of your home

>>715643850 (OP)
Maybe they should stop making games with planned obsolescence and require an internet connection just to play single player then

>>715643850 (OP)
What private server is bankrupting a publisher? Just 'cause you say random shit like this doesn't mean you're not a moron. Epic would be out of business from all the Unreal servers.

>>715645070
This lol
I think these cretins unironically count on zoomers not being old enough to have seen multi-player games that didn't require official servers to connect to

Not inventing a new proprietary charging port for each model of phone "prohibitively expensive", insist corpo cunts.

>>715647084
completely impossible

>>715647039
I do find it very malicious that the government would make car manufacturing prohibitively expensive and enact trade deals around the same time with other countries for comparatively cheaper labor.

>>715647084
they need to make skg retroactive so I can have kemono friends pavilion back

>>715647264
You know, I actually hope it passes just so it can cause you more despair in 7 years when it eventually turns against you and you cry about how evil right wingers did it despite you supporting it yourself, assuming you don't ACK yourself in that time of course.

>>715647049
When corporations are allowed lobby it's called capitalism.
When the proles do it, it's called communism.

And this is why the word "communism" is demonized and fearmongered. And why capitalism is shilled by every news outlet (Jeff Bezos owns The Washington Post). You're so close to the truth.

>>715643850 (OP)
Wait, you just contradicted yourself. First you said "bankrupt", then you said they're a trillion dollar industry. Which is it?

>>715647170
nah I've seen pro-SKG sentiment called communism consistently in these threads

>ten sqillion games come out every year
>a few of those are always online so they wont work in 15 years when nobody cares

OMG STOP KILLING GAMES

I wouldn't even be saying anything but you faggots keep posting about it

>>715647396
great, then we're in agreement
i also hope you fucking die a horrible death you corpo rat shill

>>715644229
They're a colony that Britain needs to be ream back into compliance.

>>715647063
Just make the entire game and raid solo-able.

>>715647408
>Unironically shilling communism
you /v/ troons really are losing the plot.

>>715647367
>SKG hires necromancers to revive every developer ever and forces their undead minions to maintain the game for eternity
mold man...

eurangutans destroyed the internet with their retarded cookie popups that fixed literally nothing in the process since ad companies just started using other tracking methods not covered by their banana laws, why are people simply unable to learn?

>>715647536
>skg will make negromancy real
im making 50 accounts for signatures right now bros

>>715647536
super based, can we resurrect aniki too?

>>715643850 (OP)
Yea because they factored in using planned obsolescence to force everyone into their new games and this will cannibalize them if the new games suck. If I could play Overwatch 1 again I would pick that over 2.

>>715647434
>Deliberately leaving parts out of your previous argument out to prove a point
Again, you people lie and misdirect all the time. I hope you are ready for 4 more years of losing.

hey listen I agree with you but every time you say "corpo" it makes you sound like an insufferable faggot

>>715647558
if companies can still track me then what's the problem?
unless they can't and you're just a fucking corpo shill
protip: it works, anad i can just reject all cookies with one click, so suck my fucking dick

>>715647408
Communism has absolutely nothing to do with the proletariat. The proles have ever been nothing but a tool of the political class under communism.
What you meant to say was "when the consumer is able to lobby for their own interests, that is called the FREE FUCKING MARKET". Which exists neither in the supposed "capitalist" United States, nor under communism.

>>715647615
or you could just not play trash to begin with

>>715647636
I did no such thing

>>715647248
Don't get me wrong, americans are known fucking retards, but this graph seems a bit iffy
>the weekly hours a single person receiving benefits must work at minimum wage to escape poverty
What is it without the "receiving benefits" bit?
Tbqh it could be worse lul

>>715643850 (OP)
>stop killing games passes
>EU starts censoring and nuking games that are too spicy

>>715647485
>Calling me a jeet when you can't even use punctuation correctly
Lol. Lmao. Diversity is our strength after all, you got to respect those curry rats!

>>715647650
sorry anon, i will call out every corporate motherfucker. they all deserve to die, simple as.

>>715647682
I dont play free to play games so I don't anymore. 1 had some fun moments.

>>715647679
because your retarded banana laws ruined the entire web browsing experience while fixing nothing when you could have just clicked "disable cookies" on your browser's settings

>>715647693
You are doing it again.

>>715647721
This is exactly what these communists want, they are just playing stupid so when it does happen they can wash their hands of the blame game.

>>715647721
Payment processors are already doing this globally.

remember when games for windows live was shut down? numerous games used it as a shitty form of drm and many publishers never bothered removing it so the games became unplayable without modding.
one example is fallout 3 for pc. ENTIRELY fucking single-player game with no multiplayer elements but unplayable without modding out the login requirement for almost a decade because microsoft shut down a service and bethesda didn't bother removing the login requirement before 2021. even if you owned it on steam or something you couldn't play

>>715647812
>ruined the browsing experience
>click "reject cookies"
>done
woe is me! retard
>just disable cookies
>just make your browser partialy unusable
HAHAHAHA
you are such a fucking retard holy shit

>>715643850 (OP)
Too bad, I hope they kill every AAA studio that ended up so pumped full of diversity hires they forgot how to build dedicated server programs.
I genuinely hope this ruins the industry because none of the major players deserve to exist.
I will continue spreading misinformation in hopes that people are mislead into supporting legislation that results in their downfall.

>>715643850 (OP)
>releasing the files in the server as they are will bankrupt companies

just one... more... law.... then games will finally be good!

>>715644703
CAFE is why all cars are ugly suvs btw.

>>715647812
These people are literally children. Instead of having self restraint and not touching the hot stove all the time they demand that the stove be removed then blame right wing chuds when they can't cook their food anymore.

>>715643850 (OP)
Shut the fuck up ferret fucker, finish your Undertale clone.

>>715647763
don't be sorry I believe in your ability to find a cooler name to call them

>>715647913
thats why piracy is morally right

>>715647913
>without modding
complete nothingburger since it was trivial to bypass it eventually thanks to the community and microshit not being in charge was an upgrade, no stupid law was ever needed

>>715647682
thank you for your useless input

>>715647680
"Free market" never existed anywhere at any point in time. It's a meme. A tool used by oligarchs to murder potential rivals that would harm their monopoly. A poison pill. A loaded dice. The only way to win is not to play.

Read a book, nigger.

>>715647721
>US payment processors/banks are censoring and nuking games that are too spicy
Ftfy

>>715647812
Blame FAANG and corrupt Irish government on that one.

>>715647447
>millions of cars are created every year
>a few of those are shipped incomplete, which will -if you're lucky- simply break down in the middle of driving it, but some may not even have airbags
>OMG WHO CARES?! WE HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF CARS TO BUY SO IT'S OKAY FOR COMPANIES TO SELL UNREGULATED VEHICLES THAT WILL NOT WORK AT ALL!
Anon, I hope this post of yours was just a bait. Otherwise I fear for your mental health.

>>715643850 (OP)
What does "prohibitively" mean exactly? If this passes, are they going to shut down their companies because making games just isn't feasible anymore? No? Then it's not prohibitive is it

>>715647924
and thats why this initiative will be rejected

>>715643850 (OP)
We tried voting with our wallets. They sidestepped us by appealing to whales.
This problem could have gone away if they'd been even slightly less greedy.
This wouldn't have impacted the bottom line if they hadn't already laid the groundwork to take away our property
Now big daddy government is stepping in and a decade of poor decisions are coming home to roost.

How the fuck is any of this my problem?

>>715648018
well i can just use every insult imaginable, but i'd rather have everyone know i am talking specifically about corporate types
sorry anon, you're gonna have to suffer through it

>>715644229
Bro... they literally travelled all across the Atlantic Ocean to get mowed down by MG42 guns just so that a Jewish victory would be ensured. What the hell did you expect??

>>715648085
>A loaded dice
*die

>>715648085
>When you gave your buddy 5 dollars to help you mow the lawn that wasn't the free market, chud!
>Communism on the other hand who will forced you to work for free on the other hand is based!

>>715647636
>I hope you are ready for 4 more years of losing.
Why is it that every argument ends up presented with the assumption that someone else holds particular political beliefs?
This sounds like something someone supportive of lobotomies would do, which rather taints my perspective of your character, and in turn, your argument.

>>715647974
>nooo it won't do anything
your impotent seething is delicious

>>715648197
This could've been avoided if they simply catered to us. Throw us a tit here an ass there and we'd feel like we're on the same team. But if we're not on the same team, I feel very comfortable fucking them over.

>>715648226
you are the messiah and you will invent the next N word but for old men who sleep in big empty mansions

>>715648137
>What does "prohibitively" mean exactly?
exactly the same thing when it was used every time corporations had to adhere to new regulations
absolutely nothing

>>715648278
>Why is it that every argument ends up presented with the assumption that someone else holds particular political beliefs?
It's called being smart and recognizing patterns, something you lefties lack. You lost.

>>715648047
yes, it was a big nothing burger BECAUSE the community could fix it and didn't get sued for it. that is what we want for games

>>715648178
It's too late, it's already mainstream, the public is already in support of it, even the EU itself is using it as a perfect example of public initiatives making change.
I have already won.

>>715648320
thanks anon, i try

>>715643850 (OP)
>>we should bankrupt publishers
Yes, unironically.

>>715643850 (OP)
Aww. A billion dollar industry can't afford to add 3 lines of code so that their money grab affair still functions after they've moved on to the next scheme

>>715647974
One step at a time. AAA publishers need their hand smacked every time they make a new mistake.

Whoops! We weren't experimenting with literal advertisement in a single-player game! It's just a technical problem!
Somehow, some intern accidentally encountered a bug that miraculously resulted in an ad for our next product with it's own framework and timing systems and it somehow got pushed into the live patch! Those silly interns.

>>715648342
>it's called being evil and abusing humans inherent lack of long-distance empathy so I can derail conversations I don't like because I'm jewish

>>715648012
or, corpos could just not act like deceptive fucks trying to nickel and dime you at every opportunity. this arises reactively, not proactively.

>>715648342
No Anon, applying patterns where there are none is schizophrenia, which is another subtle justification for lobotomization I see you trying to subliminally work into your argument.
You're not going to fool me, I'll never get the brain pick you filthy skull poking child molester.

>>715643850 (OP)
>b-b-b-b-b-but it's prohibitively expensive not to fuck over our customers with needlessly complicated optional systems that we put the effort in to implement!
kek, get fucked publishers

you stepped over the line, you tried to change the landscape to make more money and fuck over consumers, now you're forced to go back to normal
we don't give a shit about your line must go up
your priority of line must go up over basic consumer rights (that you got away with without reprimand for years) is what got you into this mess

>>715648294
This is a very good point.
These shitheads have been openly antagonistic to the dirty peasants who buy their games, and now their armies of saardukar shills want to guilt trip us?
The absolute hubris

>>715648375
that's how it always worked already, you're only pushing to remove the power from the community to the government and corporations who would be required to in charge
can you fucking imagine a world where GFWL never died? I'd kill myself

>>715648197
You're delusional, not much will come out of it, if only because of how powerful the lobbying is. At best you will get some extra popups to click when you buy a game. You're not gonna have legislation making it mandatory to maintain games in a playable state after the service has been discontinued. On a positive note now that SKG blew up we might see more developers planning for end of service and making offline patches as good practice. But you won't get shit from Ubislop.

We should rape and kill you so I can have buttered bread.

>>715643850 (OP)
We should bankrupt publishers because they’re shitty evil people who produce nothing but garbage. Letting autistic people play their favorite game forever is just a bonus

>"vote with your wallet"
>"NO NOT LIKE THAT DADDY GOVERNMENT HELP ME"
The people voted, they want love service games. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean everyone should listen to you

>>715643850 (OP)
>redefines "expense" as "future profit projections (i.e. imaginary) for the nonexistent replacements"
Corporations use this excuse for literally every law that opposes them. It's total bullshit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuIcyyLjQ2o

This is a government.
You point the government at things to force compliance.
In an ideal world without malice or stupidity we don't need a government, a world where everyone makes the best decisions and you can't mass brainwash everyone with marketing.
But we're not on the ideal world, so we need a shit solution full of consequences because it's the only solution.
The game industry is known for self regulating, but only when there's a government pointed at em.
If left at their own devices, they will just do the worst possible.

>>715648126
Bad analogy. Itd be a better analogy if most people had 30 cars or something. Still bad

>>715648614
why are you using a 2004 game that never needed your eceleb shill movement to keep existing? it's proof of the opposite you're shilling for

>>715648774
>1 whale gets a thousand votes
nah, I'll just get the government to do their job, thanks.

>>715648774
>Just don't buy and let ME tell why the game didn't sold

>>715643850 (OP)
buy stupid things win stupid prizes. it's called gambling, and the owner apewys loses

>>715648812
because its an example of what modern games should and can be

>>715648675
That's what I expect to happen, the EU will demand they just make sure the customer knows it's a service and not a product before buying and this'll all be forgotten about in a year

>>715648675
when lootbox legislation looked like it would pass everywhere everyone moved to battle passes. This might spook publishers if it goes anywhere and they might find a new way to screw us over.

>>715648774
>when you're watching two bots argue to derail a thread but you see a typo and realize one of them is a real person

depressing

>>715648881
I agree with skg, and I hope they win. but people were warned about gaas at least a decade ago

>>715648812
>possible in 2004
>we've lost the technology in 2025

>>715648870
>nah, I'll just get the government to do their job, thanks.
You say that as if the government had ever actually done its job correctly.

>>715643850 (OP)
>we should bankrupt publishers

>>715648919
How about you start talking about communities that would actually supposedly benefit from this? The fact that people never name games makes me very suspicious.

>>715648812
it didn't need it because it did the thing it asks for without the threat of retaliation.
crazy how hood practices leaves the gobmin out of your business

>>715649003
>don't buy dog shit fi for 5 years

>>715648968
Not nearly enough.
10 autists on 4chan are nothing compared to multibillion dollar marketing campaigns.

>>715649027
The crew

>>715643850 (OP)
YES! YESSSSSSSSSSS!!! KILL THE WHOLE INDUSTRY! BURN IT TO THE GROUND! LET PUBLISHERS FINALLY BE CRUSHED BY THE WEIGHT OF THEIR SINS! PUT THE DEVS IN THEIR WAGE CAGES! TOTAL VIDYA DEATH!!!

>>715644229
>*licks government's asshole*

>>715649048
people deserve to be be burned to know the consequences

>>715645492
Buddy the Fordist model of factories being worse than the Japs quick market response time is what killed it.

>prohibitively expensive
maybe in the sense that these companies can't stop counting on planned obsolescence in their budgets anymore

>>715648941
and then subject themselves to laws pertaining to services? the very thing they were trying to skirt?

>>715649092
Why?

>>715648513
They're fucking scum of the earth

>>715648774
Voting with your wallet only works if all people involved in the process make informed purchases. They don't. Just like most people who vote don't actually look at what the parties they vote for have done or intend to do, they just vote because they've always voted that way, or there was a TV spot they agreed with.

>>715649027
I for one look at my framed darkspore packaging and weep in bed every night

>>715648806
I disagree to an extreme extent.
Here's the breakdown of the analogy for you.
>it's okay to have bad products released intentionally because there are many products overall
This is ridiculous. The amount of products -regardless of the extent- are not an excuse to intentionally ship bad products.
Alternatively, please divulge in detail why it's a bad analogy.

>>715648980
it has, your biased memory no withstanding

>>715649072
the crew got a community server proof of concept a year ago and there's a big project called the crew unlimited, you would know if you actually cared about it
no government or law was ever needed for this

>>715649139
because they're letting these anti consumer games run rampant

>>715648774
people are dumb and can't be trusted to make good decisions

>>715648980
Well if they're so incompetent there's no need for all the seething about it. Worst comes to worst and they overreach, nobody who doesn't have it coming will be burned.

>>715643850 (OP)
If common sense consumer protection regulations bankrupt your industry then it deserved to fail.

>>715649216
If it's not a problem that it's happening, what's the problem in mandating it?

>>715648642
>you're only pushing to remove the power from the community to the government
the fact these few games do get fixes should be seen as the miracle exceptions that are absurdly time and effort inefficient and unreliable
that is work the community shouldn't have to do in the first place but does so anyway
corporations were always in charge, because they did fuck all to preserve their games or leave them in a functional state
this makes goverment forc corporations to put in some effort to help the community as opposed to doing nothing or actively sabotaging the community to keep their shit operational
>can you fucking imagine a world where GFWL never died?
systems like that not working can be catastrophic for never being playable again, wich is not what the community wants

basically, the community never had any power in the first place
now the government can be used to force corporations to keep their shit functional or give the community power to fix it easier and more reliably

>>715649291
if it's not a real problem, why mandate a law regarding it?

>>715648675
According to >>715647558 popups can destroy the experience and making live service games worse so fewer people buy them leading to fewer of them being made would still be beneficial to my end goal.

>>715648959
Then we oppose that one too. It's the consumer protection arms race. Evil never rests.

>>715645492
yeah it was government regulations for seatbelts and cleaner emissions that did that and definitely not these demonic corporations exporting all of their manufacturing jobs to foreign countries for cheap slave labor

>>715649297
>people just went access to private servers

>20 years ago games shipped with server.exe or just worked offline out of the box
>now it's "impossible to do so" (read: we will make less money)

>>715649221
Most consumption isn't rational

>>715643850 (OP)
>we should bankrupt publishers
If you can't afford to allow your end consumers to play games they bought and paid for in perpetuity maybe you should be bankrupt.

>>715643850 (OP)
I would bankrupt publishers for no benefit at all, because that would be the benefit itself.
Publishers are the source of the core problem crippling the whole video game medium - people who are responsible for production of video games don't like video games.

>>715649297
communities have all the power in the world to run their own servers and that has always worked just fine without any sort of government control and I can assure you government control absolutely never means more individual control

>>715649342
It is a problem, people got their game taken away.

>>715649216
>the crew got a community server proof of concept a year ago and there's a big project called the crew unlimited
Which will instantly get shut down and hit with a C&D the second the publisher gives a shit about the franchise again. See Nostalrius for comparison.

>>715643850 (OP)
I mean, they don't. They just have a petition that they assume is going to become a law instead of getting gutted or killed once it hits bureaucracy.

>>715643850 (OP)
Maybe stop it with the "line must always go up" mantra and take a loss every once in a while. Maybe the CEO doesn't buy another boat or a second house this year.

>>715649380
I'm 50/50 on the subject.
>fuck these asswipes
but also
>you bought these stupid fucking games, and gave them money
I'll just research games instead

>>715649363
no actually it was government trade deals on top of the regulations that destroyed manufacturing in the US, their policy was always "global competitiveness" as opposed to protecting domestic industry

>200 posts later and the narrative has shifted from putting companies at risk of being bankrupted to it's so easy that it doesn't need legislation

>>715643850 (OP)
>>715644930
people will stick with the older game because the new one is ugly and sucks balls, this is what they are scared of

>>715649487
The EU is notoriously consumer friendly, they're already getting confirmations from some members that are backing this.

>>715649240
>nobody who doesn't have it coming will be burned.
You know this isn't true. In the end, the only people the government will ever end up burning are its own tax payers. Every single fucking time. They find a way to reduce civil liberties and human rights and the people they're inflicting this on always foot the bill to boot.

>>715649460
do you have any actual examples of this happening? WoW was never shut down

>>715643850 (OP)
Reminder they laughed, teased, and danced at you for suggesting adding couch co-op to modern multiplayer games.
Reminder they would lie and tell you adding couch co-op to multiplayer games isn't profitable, too hard, or too expensive.
Reminder they would rather remove couch co-op in older multi player games and sell you a monthly service for remakes and remasters.
Reminder they've been doing it for so long they tricked an entire generation into thinking couch co-op is impossible and unheard of.

we wouldn't be in this position if people just noticed the warning signs, and didn't play gaas games

there are cuckservatives ITT that would try to justify letting jews put bleach into their food.

>le greedy hands rub
>nepo-maxxing
clown world
you can't make this stuff up

>>715649501
Spiting your neighbor is a road to societal collapse.

>>715648812
the deadline for voting isn't even over retard
ofcourse there isn't an example that shows what the SKG initiative did to fix a game

it's an example from 2004 where companies still made games exactly like what we're asking for
showing that it is entirely possible, therefore any corpo shilling saying shit like:
>"oh no that is waaaay too hard"
>"that is not possibe!"
>"that is too expensive!"
>"that is not safe"
>"that is unreasonable!"
are complete bullshit

there it is
there's the game released in 2004
played online with dudes in 2025
no servers online hosted by epic
the games have been pulled from all digital stores years ago by epic
yet it's still there and it works, i'm shooting people in rankin over the internet with them

>>715643850 (OP)
>>we should bankrupt publishers just so 3 people can play 'Big Chungus 4: This Time It's Personal' in eternal perpetuity
I already support it you don't have to sell it to me.

>>715649085
More like
>*licks cum off some kid's butthole after mr shekelstein is done*

>>715649693
what if he's black?

>>715649693
you may be be young but I told you so. it's in the archives

>>715649027
all games in the future

because corpos most likely will never be forced to apply this retroactively

>>715649764
na I'm a white nigger

>>715649610
>You know this isn't true.
Why? If it's a bill about retaining access to games, no game that doesn't have cancerous aspects can be impacted by default. They can't force games to be online only just so they can then be forced to have offline options. That's stupid.
There's a good reason you're just making vague prophecies of doom, and that's because you've got absolutely no way of twisting the proposal to have a negative impact.

>>715649556
Murder doesn't need legislation. If a murder kills, we can just murder him.

Yet, here we are.

>>715649717
Still waiting for actual pragmatic examples instead of virtue signalling and loads of hot air.

>>715649626
Vanilla WoW didn't exist post TBC launch. That version of the game was shut down.
Then private citizens created private servers to play the version of the game they liked, Vanilla WoW at first, then later TBC and Wrath joined in as well as separate projects. Nostalrius was the largest Vanilla WoW private server for a while and when Blizzard figured they might be able to make some money by re-releasing Vanilla WoW under the name "Classic" they shut down Nostalrius and sent them a C&D.
This will happen to any game that a publisher has put on ice or abandoned but thinks of "remastering" for another cash inflow.

>>715644229
They literally tip their foreskin at birth anon.

>>715648795
You're right, more governments should let people have these.

>>715649630
I am convinced if you asked modern devs to add split screen to their slop they simply wouldn't be able to or at least couldn't do it without throwing a shitfit and taking an extra year of development

>>715649945
Hmm, seems like encouraging companies to support and profit from games indefinitely isn't really a good idea, as they will naturally shut down any community attempts as long as they have a legal or monetary reason to.
Anyway, did that community server ever need a law to function?

>>715643850 (OP)
>jews thinking spending 1 cent is prohibitively expensive
>prohibitively is subjective
>you should care about what millionaires think

>>715643850 (OP)
>we should bankrupt publishers
stopped reading there, yes

>>715650114
And I should instead care what poor people think because?

>>715643850 (OP)
Everyone, use the brain.

When tobacco was declared harmful by science, the lobbies reunited to say it wasn't still demonstrated that tobacco is linked with cancer.

When seatbelts were going to be forced by law, the lobbies declared it was too expensive.

Can't you see the pattern? We saw this several times. The lobbies are making up excuses composed exclusively with lies.

>>715643850 (OP)
>t.

>>715649630
Remember when they said Halo Infinite would have couch coop, and then they said "lol not happening"?

>we need this law because uuuh look at this community server that thrived without ever needing any laws!
How the fuck can you take this seriously? It's such an utterly moronic thought process, there's no way anyone thinks like that.

>>715649428
you seem to ignore games that depend on centralised servers that are not shared with the public
wich this is about

I fully agree with you it is completely possible to let players host their own servers.
Wich is exactly what publishers want to take away from you and make it impossible or atleast unreasonably hard to do for communities to fix the hard way.

If you want to give people the power to reliably have all games that have internet dependent functionality use their own servers for without being dependent on the publisher you should sing the praises of this initiative.
Because that's what we're asking for to become a basic consumer right.

Buy game, you get to play game. Without fear of publisher bricking all sold games remotely because they shut down the server all those games depend on to work properly. Without having to depend on some giga autistic grognard to hack up some reverse engineered substitute from the ground up.

>>715650208
Because poor people can help you understand where the disease is coming from.

>>715650208
Because everyone that is not at the top is poor in their eyes you fucking golem

>>715643850 (OP)
>This game NEEDSSSS online services
>Someone writes a patch for the game that fools the software into thinking those services are receiving valid responses from EA/Ubi/Bliz/Epic servers when they're not
>Works perfectly
>"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THAT'S PIRACY!"
>Try and go through legal channels so that EOL games are required to get an offline patch
>NOOOOOOOOO IT'LL COST US GORILLIONS!

Fuck off.

>>715645492
not my problem

>>715650285
A lot of fearmongering and all I got as an example was one WoW server (a game that was never shut down). Let me remind you that DMCA is a copyright law enforced by the government.

>>715650208
I'm the one paying.

>>715643850 (OP)
>we should bankrupt publishers-
Yes.

>>715647248
Higher minimum wage just means costlier taxes/infractions.

>>715643850 (OP)
Honestly, any publisher guilty of killing games should be bankrupted

>>715650281
we need this law because of the sold games without community servers that no longer work after they sold them, because they were specifically designed not to work if the publisher kills their server

you're flipping it around like a retard
you greentexted the argument for why this is a completely reasonable thing to ask for, because it has precedent for being completely possible and normal in the past

>>715650438
this is an AI post

>>715650438
The version of WoW they were running didn't exist anymore at that point in time you blithering fuckwit, Blizzard went on record a hundred hundred times that they would never be able to recreate vanilla officially then when Nost exploded they were like "woah people might actually wanna pay for this" then suddenly Classic was on the table.

>>715649991
explain this amerisharts

>>715650571
Can you tell me which process they used to forcibly shut down the WoW server?

>>715646845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnRgPN-ECB4

>Ubisoft says that you should get used to not owning your games.
Maybe they should get used to not getting my money.

>>715650445
Apparently not if you're being out walletvoted

>>715650638
I accept your concession.

>>715643850 (OP)
good, stop making live service trash then

Video games are not a trillion dollar industry, and that's the least retarded thing you said. Fucking moron.

>>715649172
Cars breaking down can cause people to die or be injured. That doesn't happen with games.
People usually have one car so they have no alternative if it breaks.
People usually have many games so they have many options if one stops working.
Cars are thousands of dollars and hard to afford for many people. So getting a new one is a big deal.
Games are $80 new and can be under ten dollars or free on sale aside from being easy to pirate so getting a new one is not a big deal.

And also it should be obvious to anyone that a game that requires an internet connection to play will be unplayable with no internet, you buy into that from the start.

>>715647502
With what?

>>715650921
False equivalence plus you're gay

>>715644139
what the fuck is all that bloat no way modern games come with all that useless shit

i miss the days of just in built lan/server options :(

>>715643850 (OP)
>bankrupt
Or publishers just chose to not brick your game. I wonder which path they will take.

>>715643850 (OP)
Sounds based. Live service games should just be killed off if they can't comply to the regulations SKG wants to make.

>>715650921
>a game that requires an internet connection to play will be unplayable with no internet
you can be connected to the internet, but if the publisher kills their centralised server a game depends on, it will still not work even with your internet connection

designing your game to depend on a centralised server handled by the publisher, then turning it off to brick all the games they sold to customers is what this is against

publishers should be required make their games in a way they still work even if they are no longer responsible for it

>>715644139
Imagine a game without telemetry injection, I shudder to even think about it

>>715650983
Why do you think they're hoarding all those third worlders? US isn't prepared for Brown-Day.

People need to stop making bullshit arguments and listen to what the video game industry has said on it... which is also complete bullshit arguments. It boils down to
>We can't police the game to protect our brand image
>We can't compete with our previous games
>We can't ensure the safety of our community
These core arguments under a microscope crumble immediately with even the littlest of thoughts.

>>715648047
>it was trivial to bypass
It was. Nowadays with things like Denuvo it isn't anymore and that's why something has to be done about it.

>>715651218
The 2nd argument is the most damning one. Just an open admission that they can't nickel and dime you as effectively if you have options even within their own catalog of games.

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>>715651218
You forgot another thing
>It's too expensive
which is fucking funny considering they blew several billions on failed projects which ended up being axed anyway, these faggots are mad they're gonna lose out on a coupe of shekels for their money laundry scheme which they've been milking for almost 2 decades now.

>>715651309
And that "something" against Denuvo is passing laws enforcing publishers to stay as the sole maintainers of their own games?

Ok hear ne out.
>Stop Killing Jews

>>715643850 (OP)
We're only 38,000 signatures away from hitting the final goal, by the way. Even if we're going at the rate of just 5000 signatures per day (we're getting way more), it will take a little over 6 days until we hit the final overdrive goal.

>>715643850 (OP)
>prohibitively expensive
oh great, games are going to get worse just so a couple dipshits can keep playing Anthem likes

>>715643850 (OP)
I don't give a shit.

>>715645492
The US car market died because the US car industry was so up their own ass that they knew better what the customers wanted.
So they only lived in their little American bubble and consequently made only cars Americans would buy because they completely violated the needs and use-cases of most non-Americans (specifically in terms of size and fuel economy).

While the market was going great good going but uh-oh, 2008 hits and Americans stop buying cars for now... but now there are no other markets to go to instead. While Volkswagen also lost a ton of customers in Europe, they created cars that were wanted in a global world market... so now the Chinese ended up making up for all the lost European sales. So Volkswagen flourished while US brands died.

The death of the US car industry has nothing to do with regulations and all to do with managers misreading a market and consumer needs. The fact that Americans still blame regulations instead of ignoring non-American customers while the competition did sell internationally basically shows that Americans learned nothing from it. It's arrogance that killed it, plain and simple.

When the US car market was in crisis in 2009 the average European reaction to the crisis was "of course they are in crisis who in their right mind would buy these shitty-ass cars?"

Ford also flourished in 2009 btw... because unlike General Motors it actually DID sell to an international audience and because of that made cars around their needs and use-cases and because of that kept selling vehicles. In fact Ford is selling more cars in Europe than European brands are selling in the US combined. It's almost like you sell products that you make with your customer in mind. Crazy that.

>>715651523
What Patreon bonuses do we get?

>>715651523
32,000 I mean whoops.

>>715643850 (OP)
>we should bankrupt publishers
Glad we agree

>>715650281
>it worked without laws so... we don't need laws
It doesn't work anymore so apparently we do. But then you already know that, shill

>>715643850 (OP)
>two thirds of the budget went towards making the LAN button work
Except this isn't true at all whatsoever.
Why are all the anti-SKG arguments so fucking retarded? We had fucking decades of LAN, private servers, and all kinds of peer to peer. It was THE DEFAULT.
In fact. It's STILL the default for online games and devs have to REMOVE those options before shipping if they don't want them.

>>715651351
I'm just shocked that they would be so blatant about it. Not even Hollywood is that bold.

>>715647063
make server binaries public

>>715651560
They already raised the price to 80 now, what made you think they were ever gonna stop price hiking?

Literally what game is this even supposed to "protect"? The vast majority use stuff like steam matchmaking which is trivial to emulate so even if steam exploded tomorrow no one would be affected seriously. Why the fuck would I give up this perfectly fine balance in favor of making the companies themselves responsible for servers?

>>715650921
I don't care how expensive somthing is.
I don't want people selling me things than intentionally breaking them after they sold it me. (because they intentionally designed it that way)

especially because it's entirely possible to make your games like that

see:
>>715648614

>>715649870
pragmatic example of what?

if you mean a game designed in a way so that it is still playable, even with all its online components after the dev and publishers no longer support it, that's what you first replied to
the two images of unreal tournament 2k4
here >>715649717
and >>715648614


if you want an example of people fixing their game because of SKG, there are none because that is not what SKG asks for, law will not apply retroactively.

>>715643850 (OP)
I should own what I pay for

>>715643927
based
fpbp
/thread

>>715651729
They won't be responsible for the servers after they stop working on the game, the community would be.

>>715651680
>empty fearmongering
>no examples
Many such cases!

>>715651729
Nobody is asking them to be responsible or manage servers after they EoS a game, we're asking them to give players the means to host the games themselves and/or enable offline functionality.

>>715643850 (OP)
>>we should bankrupt publishers
Say no more

>>715650601
I shouldn't have to explain basic hygiene but I guess this is europeans we are talking with.

>>715650281
>there's no way anyone thinks like that.

That's correct, no one thinks like the strawman you and your transcord faggot friends came up with, moron. Go ahead and kill yourself now.