After 9 years it's happening
https://community.creative-assembly.com/total-war/total-war-warhammer/blogs/76-total-war-warhammer-iii-siege-proving-grounds

>>715648079 (OP)
Of all my many problems with TWWH's siege battles, pocket ladders was the least of them

>>715648827
nah, pocket ladders were the main problems

>>715648827
truth

the units can still barely fucking fight model to model, several years into the games release.

if you zoom into ANY fights, the amount of shit just standing there doing nothing is ridiculous.

the game is a fucking mess.

the ladders are a literal reddit obsession.

>>715648079 (OP)
am i being filtered? i fucking hate siege battles, they boring. they pretty much kill all enjoyment of the game once i get a new campaign going after not playing for a while

>>715649136
*they're
and the reason why they suck are siege ladders

>>715649049
>>715648827
siege ladders is the number one problem
the second problem is that normal units can destroy gates to easily and they're fixing this too

>Tides of Torment got delayed for this

>>715649136
siege battles suck and small settlement sieges are the worst of them all

>>715649136
learn to abuse the fucked AI in siege battles and you'll win most of them with 1/3rd of the enemies forces.

the only thing that's more of a joke than the game itself is the AI.

>infantry already heavily penalized with the shit ton of aoe effects in the game and giant fuck off monsters that literally just wade through them
>the main advantage they had in a siege is that they weren't restricted to the gates
>now every siege is going to be even more of a gate blob
>but m-muh siege equipment
Spending any amount of turns to build siege equipment instead of immediately attacking is a massive strategic blunder, slowing down your campaign momentum and giving the AI more time to intercept the siege.

>>715649481
nah, this is the real reason for the delay, they wanted to do neferata not high elves

>>715649930
that's a good thing retard, sieges should play differently

also for they left the options to pull ladders out of your ass and and gates weak against non siege ram damage for fags like you

>>715648079 (OP)
Fucking finally.

>>715648827
They literally make walls fucking pointless.
The best strategy is to never defend the walls because the enemy can just climb them wherever they feel like.

This is absolutely hilarious. How can anybody play this game for 5 years+ and be happy about this? They should let the ladders stay UNTIL they make the sieges fun not implement this from the start. Now we have an interim period where the sieges will still be shit and they will take longer because you HAVE to use siege equipment AND the towers will be deadlier AND the gates will be harder to destroy. Good job CA. Clap for the retards

>>715650725
the towers will have lower range, the gates will be harder to destroy with normal units but easier to destroy with battering rams
it's a good updated, it will encourage people to use the siege equipment

>>715650441
>play differently
Differently, but not well or fun in any way. Don't forget this is like the 3rd or 4th time they've tried to fix sieges in TWW3 alone, do you really fucking think they are capable of it?

>>715650986
The solution to making this goddamn garbage mode to be more balanced is to make it even more tedious. Thats their solution after so many years.

>AI still shits the bed
>can't move armies without generals
>province system still here
>still can't grow a remote village into a bustling capital
>good diplomacy system locked to one game
>good trading system locked to another
>good character development locked to yet another
>no real new gameplay experiments since War1 with magic and Attila with nomads
>"at least magical ladders are gone" when ephemeral units can't pass through walls, spiders can't climb walls, etc... I'm sure siege battles will be plenty fun now! They won't.
>etc
CA...

>>715650313
why do elves fags have to ruin everything?

>>715651035
sieges cannot be fixed if the ass ladders still exist, if this update isn't enough it's still a good step in the right directions
>but what are we going to do if the sieges aren't fixed and we have to wait for the next updated
toggle on the legacy option

>>715651115
sieges are meant to be harder for the attacker duh, you're meant to play around with the siege equipment duh, you're too used to shit sieges to the point that you forgot this

>>715650313
i want halflings and albion

>>715650313
>Red Duke
>Southern Realms + DoW+>Albion
>Amazon
Holy fuck, I hope this is real.
It sounds too good to be true but if the guy posted this before the delay news, then he got most of the info right so far.

>>715651496
he posted it before the delay news, it's too accurate not to be true

>>715650313
damn, 1 lord dlcs are a good idea too imo

>>715651272
As >>715650725 pointed out, the ass ladders should stay until they can fix the other parts of sieges if they are even capable of it. If the only improvement they make is to remove ass ladders then defending sieges is still going to be a chore, the layout fucks over cavalry and certain missile units so hard it becomes a death sentence for your army if you get forced into defending a walled city with them.

>>715651703
>the ass ladders should stay until they can fix the other parts of sieges if they are even capable of it.
toggle on the legacy option

>>715648079 (OP)
also no assaulting a city in the same turn you attack unless your army brought siege equipment.
this sounds pretty good

>>715652124
this alone makes the update worth it

>>715652124
You people are insane. They removed the only crutch you had against multiple kicks to your balls and you are cheering

>>715652124
So wait, they removed legendary lords siege attacker trait?

>>715651828
>just revert it back to being merely horrendous rather than total shit
I want BETTER sieges. People who think ass ladders are the only problem are completely ignorant to the deeper issues of defending sieges. Layouts creating obstructions for your ranged units without making choke points for them, arbitrary, poorly defendable control points with 8 different entry points for the ai to funnel through, of which only maybe 5 or 6 can be barricaded. Cavalry is only useful for a minute or two at the start where the AI is still outside, and then when they enter your horsemen become utterly useless due to how cramped everything inside the walls are. There's probably more but I can't think of them right now.

>>715652124
Where in the blog post does it say that?

>>715652873
do you even want sieges? have you ever asked yourself this question? maybe you want just a normal battle when you siege a settlement

>>715653178
you cannot have better sieges with pocket ladders, that's the first step

>>715648079 (OP)
>my reaction to that information

>>715650313
I don't know shit about the lore for this game, so I don't know what High Elves are (I thought we already had those with Tyron/Alarielle and what not, or is it a new faction?) Albion/Halflings/Amazons sounds sweet though. Araby some day would be cool.

>People wanting more drawn out sieges when the AI cheats like fucking crazy in TWWH so by the time you've sieged a settlement long enough to create seige equipment they've fielded two more full size cheatstacks
redditniggers will regret this
TWWH3's AI is so awful and cheat-heavy that any changes to the game are pointless
they need to overhaul the AI

>>715654229
>complaining about cheating AI
found the shitty player
stay on easy/easy retard

>>715648079 (OP)
There is already a mod that puts them into siege building

>>715650313
This is such a bizarrely dubious reasoning. Who are those helfs "community members" that convinced them to convince the publisher to delay the dlc?

>>715652873
you can toggle butt ladders in the options

>>715654859
no it's not that, it's the fact that on reddit and TW forums they wouldn't like neferata as a simple lord in a lord pack

>>715655296
She is not Nagash so what's the drama? I don't get it.

>>715654229
the blogpost says they're overhauling the AI, will it be enough? i dunno, but lately the a managing of warhammer 3 has been given to the bulgarian team, that is much better than the english team and listens to player feedback, so there's hope

>>715653178
Read the fucking link that OP posted. They are looking to rework several things about sieges, not only removing ass ladders. If you bothered to read you would see that they're also looking into fixing the AI, pathfinding and map layouts. Nobody in this thread claims that the ladders are the only problem, we gotta start somewhere.