But you guys said the remake flopped, so why did they continue remaking the games?

>only announced development now
>konami for all the time before was hesitant to hire them to work on silent hill again
>but average developer team has gotten so fucking retarded due to women that konami somehow made it to the top
>so konami had no choice to go with them again
enjoy your quad overdraw bro

>only announced development now
>konami for all the time before was hesitant to hire them to work on silent hill again
>but average developer team has gotten so fucking retarded due to women that bloober somehow made it to the top
>so konami had no choice to go with them again
enjoy your quad overdraw bro

>>715695313
>konami bending the knee to developers so easily
I would've believed you if kojima is still in konami

Eileen shaving

>>715695362
>>konami for all the time before was hesitant to hire them to work on silent hill again
anon, they've probably been working on it since sh2 released, just like they've been working on sh2 since way before konami announced the partnership

How they're going to stretch out Silent Hill is driving my mind wild.

>>715695015 (OP)
Well they're hardly going to make something original, you need talent for that.

>>715695015 (OP)
I believe that it was the best selling SH game. Doesn't make it the best game though. I don't hate it like some of the other posters, but it's not a game I'd be interested in replaying.
>>715696082
Ain't that the truth. It's the least bad Blooper game. And all of their previous "games" were derivative of some other other IP anyway.

>>715696441
SH2 in itself is "derivative" of an old russian work, nothing original

>>715695553
Wait, why isn't there this gif from the remake?

>>715697197
True enough, SH series as a whole is a hodgepodge of western media. Even so, it pales in comparison to how blatant Blooper is. They even reused PT kill animation in Layers of Fear, never mind the entire concept. Most people would be embarrassed.

Because normalfags coomed themselves when Stray Souls got repackaged as "Silent Hill", so they will do it again.

Why is remake Angela such a slut?
>gets excited when James says that he is happy to see her
>tries to act sexy during the "will you love me" scene
Maybe she really was asking for it.

>>715695015 (OP)
SH2 Remake was actually pretty good all things considering, but that's maybe because I came into it expecting the worst.
Then again, I also feel like a lot of the hate towards it was artificial as hell. SH2 is just one of those games that not that many people have actually played but a lot of people claim to have played it. Those kinds of people are the worst because they're the ones usually kicking up a lot of dust regarding the remake even though their knowledge comes from Youtube essays.

I will say, I am cautiously optimistic about this remake. I didn't find it too egregious losing the fixed camera in the SH2 remake because there's only a handful of ways they used it interestingly. Unlike SH1 which used it really effectively and if they use the over the shoulder again it'll lose a lot of that claustrophobic feeling of 1.

>>715698771
I didn't hate the remake either, but the directing in cutsecens still pisses me off. It's so basic compared to the OG.

>>715698771
>was actually pretty good
no it wasn't
i still can't make myself finish that game, i'm in prison part. it's way worse than the original SH2.

>>715699541
We just came out of Ascension and Short Message. It's no wonder that praise got heaped on the bloatmake.

>>715695015 (OP)
>flopped
says who?? the /v retarded contrarians? lol
Anyway SH2 was an excellent game (minus a few design choices and a choppy framerate).
I cant wait for SH1R , just hoping they dont butcher Harry Chad McMason's face

>>715695821
>they've probably been working on it since sh2 released
Actually they've planned SH1 Remake and probably even SH3 remake around a couple years ago.
Theres some leaked document about their codenames out there, development hasnt started 8-9 months ago actually.

>wins GOTY

>>715698365
Sexuality is the only way she knows how to be wanted, but it also frightens her.

>>715695015 (OP)
SH2R sells 2 millions in a few weeks, kojidrones say it flopped
death stranding 2 sells 1.3 millions in the same time costing 10 times more to make
kojidrones say it's a success

>>715700431
>Siren 3
>features ugly ass characters
>written by an extremely overrated dood who's just known for two pieces of work, yet gets his dick sucked nonstop.
Naaah, not looking forward to this at all. Unless theres at least 6-8 cool enemy types then maaaybe.

>>715700431
not gonna happen, keighley hates konami and is a piece of shit

>>715695821
Don't bother, there's a resident schizo who will arrive to every... single... Silent Hill 2 thread to sperg out about the remake.

>>715698771
>SH2 Remake was actually pretty good
No.
Again, I'm impressed that normalfags will pretend to like Stray Souls as long as they get told it's Silent Hill 2, the game you're expected to like.

>>715700530
Her whole life rape and the threat of it has been used as a tool to control her. Sex being the only thing she thinks she's good for would make sense if it wasn't so fucking brutal all the time. A grooming situation rather than violent beatings followed by a violent assault. I preferred how she was in the original. It made more sense with the type of trauma she experienced, and she had more of an edge to her. You could easily imagine the switch flipping on in her brain, turning her violent. The remake Angela is too meek for me to buy her as a murderess.

All of you know that the SH1 remake will be like this:
>Revisiting Cheryl alley now mandatory
>Convenience store now mandatory
>Opening town area expanded, have to complete a puzzle or enemy gauntlet before every key
>the darkness part now does the retarded wind thing from SH2R

>have to visit schoolbus to access school
>school is three floors with something like six classrooms on each floor
>five puzzles instead of two for unlocking the clocktower
>mumblers removed, fully replaced by clawfingers in all regions
>larval stalkers removed for being "confusing"
>Cheryl phone call is now a dramatic cutscene and not something out of nowhere
>lizard is now a three stage boss fight instead of just something you shoot in the mouth

>Dahlia doesn't talk in riddles anymore, may as well tell you that her daughter is the cause of everything
>police station is mandatory, and Cybil is there
>hospital is now expanded to be the size of Brookehaven
>red liquid is borderline impossible to not grab, you have to go out of your way to ignore it
>has a boss fight, probably something retarded like a giant version of the parasite
>Lisa is now more like her Origins version because that makes the game more like SH2
>Antique Shop is now inside the mall
>mall is a full environment
>giant worm monster is now a three stage boss fight, as is the moth evolution
>Lisa exposition now moved to before the moth fight because it was too confusing in the original

>backtracking is NOT auto skipped
>sewers are now one of the longest environments in the game for some fucking reason
>end with a monster gauntlet for some fucking reason
>Kaufmann side quest is heavily sign posted, may as well be the main quest
>it's also heavily expanded and you need to find the drugs
>amusement park is a full area
>if you have the red liquid, Cybil boss is auto skipped
>Nowhere is mostly the same, but no invisible enemies
>every ending has an epilogue tying into SH3 or SM or some dumb shit

>Total Play Time: 25 Hours

why are you people complaining so much?
i thought you wanted the survival horror genre to come back?
and now that it appears to be back, all you can do is whine for some reason?

>>715700584
>>Siren 3
>>features ugly ass characters
So, like the Siren games

>>715701075
On post-game content:
>Ranking system cut
>Hyper Blaster cut
>Chainsaw / Rock Drill cut
>Bullet Adjust cut
>Camera options cut
>Three new endings
>First is le doggo ending because everyone loves it and it's the best thing to ever happen to Silent Hill
>Second is some memeshit like a drugs ending
>Third goes full SH2 and involves Harry's wife for whatever reason

>despite how much is getting cut or artificially expanded by people who have nothing to do with SH1, not a single consideration will be paid to the novel or play novel

>>715701076
>i thought you wanted the survival horror genre to come back?
No, not as butchered garbage for retarded normalfags who will clap that Silent Hill 2 now plays like The Last of Us.

>>715701265
>Third goes full SH2 and involves Harry's wife for whatever reason
That's my biggest fear regarding the remake. That the dead wife angst will eclipse the actual plot, because muh hecking SH2rino. It's fine if Harry talks about her a bit more, but for the love of god, stick to the soul of the game.

>>715701342
You deserve to never be happy again.

>>715701075
>>mumblers removed, fully replaced by clawfingers in all regions
>>larval stalkers removed for being "confusing"
This is the ONLY thing that really bothers me... cutting enemies grinds my gears and i hate that.
As for your other dozens of points?? bruh, that sounds excellent. Sign me up

>>715701639
>As for your other dozens of points?? bruh, that sounds excellent. Sign me up
SH1 would not benefit from needlessly expanding gameplay sections. The game is about 5 hours long and it's perfectly fine being that long.

>>715701075
>Dahlia doesn't talk in riddles anymore, may as well tell you that her daughter is the cause of everything
Reminds me of Origins.
>Yeah, bro, I burned my daughter alive so she can give birth to Satan, stay out of our way, lmao!
It was so bizarre. I get that they didn't want to reuse the SH1 plot, but one consistent thing about Dahlia is that she's a manipulator. I lost count of all her lies and the people she played for her own ends. Her just putting all her cards on the table for Travis and just walking the fuck away was baffling.

>>715701732
Nah dood, i aint waiting YEARS and spending 60-70 buckerinos for a tiny ass 5 hour game that i can finish in one sitting.
This isnt the early 2000s anymore. If it isnt at least a dozen hours i simply wont care.
SH2's town and dungeons/locales expansion was excellent (albeit a tad too long i can agree), i expect the same treatment for SH1R.

games take so long to make now that there is no point even thinking about this game as it probably wont come out until at least 2030

>>715695015 (OP)
Never played original silent hill. Really liked the remake. Will be playing every new remake that comes out. Will laugh at all /v/irgins that are upset because of the new character designs(even tho from what I've seen the new ones are better and fit the grittiness of the series).

>>715701532
I deserve to not put up with nornalfags stomping all over my hobbies.

>>715702167
This is like bragging that you have <80 iq

I mean, it's exactly like that

>>715702161
>come out until at least 2030
Dont be stupid... Bloober already has a shitload of UE5 assets from SH2R , they can and will reuse a lot of them and they already have the gameplay and combat more or less done if they copy SH2's style.
Id expect a release date by 2027 at MOST. 2028 if some major delay happens

>>715702167
No idea what you were thinking with that post.
>never watched Robocop
>really liked that newer movie!

>>715702161
>he doesnt know
games take faster than ever to make now, but midway through development someone from up top wants to maximize profits and minimize risk by adapting the game to the latest fomoslop market's needs, so they demand to remake the game with new standards.

>>715701975
>I'm a normalfag!
Go back to ubislop, leave my games alone.

>>715695015 (OP)
>Bloober now trapped in the remake slop mines
I fucking hate it. The Medium was so good and I want to see more of that world. But instead they will be slaving away to resell ps2 millennials their childhood back for 80 buckeroos.

>>715702626
>leave my games alone
Pretentious nigger, ive been playing games for 30 years, and i played SH1 waaay back in 2000.
Not my problem if you're stuck in the past.

>>715702653
>the medium was so good
Kek

>>715701076
Millennials are childless and depressed

>>715702781
>specifically wants to play remakes
>tells other people they're stuck in the past

>>715702781
Yes, I know that balding millenials like you have been cancer to gaming for years.

How would you explain this to a normie?

>>715702812
It all ends in me.

>>715702812
I'm going to sound like an old school SJW, but a long sequence of humanizing a pedophile rapist, while his victim has to be put down like a sick dog strikes me as a bit distasteful.

if you played the remake but not the original you can't larp as if you truly experienced sh2 and you are a poser, simple as

>>715695015 (OP)
All games flop, the industry is dead and is just a front for money laundering via shady companies like SBI.

>>715702856
>remake
>new
>the past
huh?? try a little less retardation next time.

>>715703414
This is 10x easier to explain than Kingdom Hearts Sora shenanigans tho

>>715698771
Yeah aside from adding a bunch of needless padding in the form of constantly smashing windows and checking drawers I enjoyed it a lot. I'm more interested in the 1 remake than I am in Silent Hill: Japan

>>715703414
Alessa is a powerful psychic, born in a spiritually charged town. Her mother used a ritual to impregnate her with a deity which directly or indirectly led to a fire that burned Alessa. To escape the pain, half of her soul left her body and manifested as an infant who was found and adopted by a guy called Harry. He and his wife named the girl Cheryl. With only half of the soul remaining in Alessa's body, the god birthing ritual could not proceed. Alessa was tormented to be forced to summon back her other half, which happened seven years later. Shenanigans ensue, as newly strengthened and whole Alessa attempts to kill god as well as herself. Her plan fails, god us born, and killed by Harry. Motivated by her memories of her life as Cheryl, and Harry's ability to protect her, Alessa reincarnates herself in her entirety as a new baby, which was also given to Harry. This reincarnation of both girls grew up to be Heather, though originally Harry named her Cheryl as well, initially viewing her as a replacement for the daughter he has lost. During her own journey through the town, Heather faces the Memory of Alessa, a manifestation of Alessa's desire to prevent god's birth and end her own suffering. By killing it, Heather overcomes that part of herself, and is resolute to go on living.

>>715697272
>average silent hill fan

>>715695553
For years, I thought she was wearing shorts in her casual outfit.

>>715704696
A WIZARD DID IT

You will know if they fuck it up or not in the first 5-10m with the alley scene. I genuinely cannot fathom how they do that in a standard third person camera angle ala SH2 Remake

>>715706180
women hate solved men, it's a fact.

>>715701075
>mumblers removed, fully replaced by clawfingers in all regions
>larval stalkers removed for being "confusing"
Not happening. You don't seem to know bloober that well, they love that shit.

>all of the other stuff
>Good + ending canon
I'll now buy your game

>>715705459
>>715702167

>>715706708
>>mumblers removed, fully replaced by clawfingers in all regions
>Not happening
Nah, they'd have to. Those enemies only existed in the American version back in the day, I don't think anyone is getting away with child monsters you shoot and kill in a school 25 years later.
>all of the other stuff
>Good + ending canon
>I'll now buy your game
First of all, if they were gonna make an ending canon, they'd do regular Good based on SH2R. Good is the ending indicated as the true ending in all outside materials for SH1 and Bloober would likely just follow that (same reason why Lisa will be a slut that tries to seduce Harry, because that's what she is in Origins).
If you genuinely thought all the other stuff I listed, including the excising of all additional content and needless additions of new endings and needless expansions to environments was good, you probably have never played SH1.
Hell, I'm willing to bet the SH1 remake will just be a completely different game from the original, simply because SH1 does not fit modern AAA conventions (like every Toyama game).

>>715706989
but he played it tho. the post I replied to not only have not played the remake, he haven't played the original either, peak silent hill fan moment

>>715696441
>It's the least bad Blooper game
Lil' bro got filtered by Observer KINO it seems.

>>715707176
The (not)Blade Runner was okay. The parts where you travel through dead people's minds were generally too long and boring.

>>715695015 (OP)
>xbox exclusive
I am completely in shock, what on earth are they thinking?

>>715701075
>>715706991
It's the other way around; grey children are the ones that are exclusive to North America because censors thought they looked too much like actual children so the mumblers aka the claw fingers replaced them in every other region but mumblers will still appear in the sewers and Annie's Bar in that version as well

>>715702167
>toxotranny
>attention seeking pillhead behavior
Name a more iconic duo

>>715700568
>SH2R sells 2 millions in a few weeks
It's amazing how easy it is to just make shit up huh? Three months is not a few weeks and the sales have since stagnated: https://www.gematsu.com/2025/01/silent-hill-2-remake-shipments-and-digital-sales-top-two-million

>>715706991
Nah, they have a boner for child stuff, iykyk.
>First of all, if they were gonna make an ending canon, they'd do regular Good based on SH2R.
Sure, buy why all that stuff about railroading it towards the Good + then? I don't think they'll even acknowledge Origins at all, you will probably see references to SM and the fucking novel than Origins if they're remotely even fans of the series TOTAL . ORIGINS . DEATH
>Ranking system cut
>Hyper Blaster cut
>Chainsaw / Rock Drill cut
>Bullet Adjust cut
>Camera options cut
I literally don't care about any of this shit, Emergency Hammer is all a man needs. And yes, I do think more areas to explore: more gooder. I cannot wait to see what will they do with the Otherworld areas, just imagining they amping the aggressiveness/encounter rate and Anons getting gang raped to death by Rompers gives me a chub.
>Hell, I'm willing to bet the SH1 remake will just be a completely different game from the original, simply because SH1 does not fit modern AAA conventions (like every Toyama game).
Not happening either because SH2R exists, and SM. They fought with fucking Ito and other devs because they where trying to change the game for fucks sake. Now that it performed well, they have the winning formula on their hands, they do have to be unfathomably retarded to not follow it.

>>715708905
>Sure, buy why all that stuff about railroading it towards the Good + then?
Because they don't want people to potentially miss an ending on their first playthrough, need all of them out in the open.
>I don't think they'll even acknowledge Origins at all,
They inevitably will as Origins ties itself to 1 pretty thoroughly. I imagine we'll even see Origins' version of the ritual (and that the boiler explosion memo will be cut).
>I literally don't care about any of this shit,
Because you're a tasteless retard.
>more areas to explore
Who said anything about that?
The SH2 Remake made it clear- it's not more areas, it's more of the same areas, and not in an interesting or meaningful way, just more stuff. Shit like the labyrinth where you do the same puzzle three times to go through samey environments.
Also, saying you don't care about pretty much every unlockable getting cut shows you're a complete shitter at SH1 and probably never did better than a four star ranking.
>Not happening either because SH2R exists
SH2R is literally a modern AAA game through and through, I don't really know what you could be talking about here.
Also don't know why you brought up SM since it is literally nothing like SH1 in the slightest.
>Now that it performed well, they have the winning formula on their hands,
And SH1 is a completely different game from SH2 retard.
There is no universe where SH1 comes out of this remake looking, feeling, or playing similarly to the original at all.

>>715695015 (OP)
Silent Hill 2 remake was literally the top 2 best selling silent Hill game despite being a generic UE5 asset flip. It only flopped according to culture warriors idiots here.

>>715709458
>culture warriors
Yeah that's what it is, shill

>>715701075
Lizard is going to have a big glowing weakspot in his throat isn't he? There is no way zoomers will get the hint from the story book

>>715709340
>Because they don't want people to potentially miss an ending on their first playthrough, need all of them out in the open.
But what ending? You'll only get one ending per playthrough, and some people might only play through it once. That's how regular Good was chosen as the canon ending, because it was the ending that was more common to get in one playthrough, according to them anyway.
>They inevitably will as Origins ties itself to 1 pretty thoroughly. I imagine we'll even see Origins' version of the ritual (and that the boiler explosion memo will be cut).
They won't. You WILL plays as Cybil and you WILL be happy.
>The SH2 Remake made it clear- it's not more areas, it's more of the same areas, and not in an interesting or meaningful way, just more stuff.
That's was enough for me, that will be enough for me.
>useless shit weapons and ranking faggotry
I'm not a speedrun tranny, yes.
>SH2R is literally a modern AAA game through and through, I don't really know what you could be talking about here. Also don't know why you brought up SM since it is literally nothing like SH1 in the slightest.
Because they followed SH2 beat by beat when Ito other devs wanted to change shit. And SM already exists as a "completely different games from the original"
>And SH1 is a completely different game from SH2 retard. There is no universe where SH1 comes out of this remake looking, feeling, or playing similarly to the original at all.
Yes, its a superior game, emphasis on the "game" part. It will fit like a glove on the "TLoU" gameplay formula you so much hate. It already fit SH2R, you just don't like it and see it as a "completely different games from the original". That, for me, would be SM.
They'll just do it beat for beat again and it will be enough.

>>715710702
>But what ending? You'll only get one ending per playthrough, and some people might only play through it once.
Doesn't matter, they just don't want the possibility existing of something being too obscure to find, like how all of SH2's endings are accessible on NG+, rather than some being locked behind tiered conditions.
>That's how regular Good was chosen as the canon ending, because it was the ending that was more common to get in one playthrough, according to them anyway.
Nobody has ever said that.
>They won't.
They absolutely will. Bloober already inserted the SH1 nightmare into SH2, so they really don't give much of a shit about SH1 at all and will probably just look to the official storyline when "expanding" SH1, and the official storyline is Origins.
>That's was enough for me, that will be enough for me.
Yeah okay, but that's not "more areas" retard.
>I'm not a speedrun tranny, yes.
Yeah, having actual real unlockable content is for TRANNIES, I love playing the exact same game over and over again for all the endings... which is actually totally different from speedrun trannies playing the same game in the same way over and over again.
It's cut content. They did it to SH2, they'll do it to SH1, because they're lazy fuckheads. You probably didn't even know what bullet adjust was until I mentioned it and you looked it up.
>Because they followed SH2 beat by beat when Ito other devs wanted to change shit.
They didn't though. I don't recall the apartments turning into SH1, or the abstract daddy being a multi phase boss taking place across a mile long stretch of rooms, or the monster gauntlet in the recreation of James' apartment, those all seem fairly new and retarded to me.
>Yes, its a superior game, emphasis on the "game" part.
Clearly you don't believe that since you want all those "game" parts removed.
> It will fit like a glove on the "TLoU" gameplay formula you so much hate
It won't.
You're 100% a shitposter.

100% a shill thread
Might be doing it for free

>>715698771
See
>>531562125

>>715709458
>Silent Hill 2 remake was literally the top 2 best selling silent Hill game
Unlikely honestly considering how Konami has not fully disclosed individual sales and only the first two games sold over >400k on the biggest console platforms of their time

>>715711098
>Doesn't matter, they just don't want the possibility existing of something being too obscure to find, like how all of SH2's endings are accessible on NG+, rather than some being locked behind tiered conditions.
Of course it matters, the direct sequel was the result of it. And specially so for the eventual SH3R. Making they more accessible in NG+ don't matter, "people" will most likely play it once and youtube the rest.
>Nobody has ever said that.
The devs said it when asked about why Good+ wasn't the canon one.
>They absolutely will. Bloober already inserted the SH1 nightmare into SH2, so they really don't give much of a shit about SH1 at all and will probably just look to the official storyline when "expanding" SH1, and the official storyline is Origins.
They won't. The "SH1 nightmare" sections in SH2R is exactly how I know it will be fine. IF they "expand" it, it will be most likely the novel, so not happening ever. "official storyline" my ass.
>Yeah okay, but that's not "more areas" retard.
It literally is tho. I did not say "more NEW areas" did I? :^)
>Yeah, having actual real unlockable content is for TRANNIES, I love playing the exact same game over and over again for all the endings... which is actually totally different from speedrun trannies playing the same game in the same way over and over again. It's cut content. They did it to SH2, they'll do it to SH1, because they're lazy fuckheads. You probably didn't even know what bullet adjust was until I mentioned it and you looked it up.
But the important parts of the game wasn't cut, it was not a Resident Evil 2/3 situation (THAT is unforgivable, and people gobbled that shit up). Anyway, they will not get cut, you wanna know why? Because SH2R was the budget game. I know it's a hard pill to swallow but getting SH2 remade first as a cheap guinea pig was such a fucking genius idea.
>They didn't though.
They did thoughever. You're just a pedantic autist. Don't worry, you can seethe when it releases.

>>715713335
>webm
Why are japs like this? Stop drawing 14 year old as hot and sultry. I didn't ask for this guilty boner.

>>715713335
>seethe
Boring troll
Btw all of SH2’s new shit was taken from other games or invented for the remake, not the novel. If they add anything to SH1, it’ll be from Origins inevitably, much like how SH2 pays lip service to Downpour’s time loop idea.

>>715714470
>Btw all of SH2’s new shit was taken from other games or invented for the remake, not the novel. If they add anything to SH1, it’ll be from Origins inevitably, much like how SH2 pays lip service to Downpour’s time loop idea.
Sure, but they'll not acknowledge Origins. Not even a trucker hat. And that's a good thing!

>>715695015 (OP)
Nigger, it's one of the biggest titles in the world. They can make a fucking board game and it would sell. The number of consumers outweights the number of players.

>>715714735
I kind of pointed this out before in this very thread, but it's kind of wild how they managed to fuck up every SH1 character in SHO
>Dahlia is a straight shooter who reveals her evil plot at the drop of a hat, doesn't even try to manipulate Travis
>Kaufmann is a full blown cultist instead of someone who has an uneasy alliance with them/Dahlia to expand his drug empire, with both of them trying to fuck each other over behind the scenes
>Alessa is the cliche creepy evil horror girl who delights in tormenting Travis, also her trusting Harry was a hard earned process, meanwhile she relies on this stranger completely with no real build up, and her plan is to prolong her suffering for some reason
Lisa is the only one I can forgive, as we never really met the real one in the first place, so they get the free reign to do whatever they want with her. And her being a slutty airhead bored of her small town seems like a reasonable backstory as to how she came to be in Kaufmann's clutches.

>>715717071
Yeah.
Silent Hill f will be the effective "origins" from now on.

>>715717479
I genuinely hope that there is no connection, besides the two towns sharing the same power.

>>715695015 (OP)
I'm genuinely angry they're going to remake Silent Hill 1 just because they're thirsty enough to """fix""" Silent Hill 3 for the tranny Reddit Resetera audience. The first thing they'll take away is the static camera angles because that requires effort to stay true to the original when they could just Euroslop speedrun Unreal Engine 5 shitty assets to dump it in record time to get to Heather's game.

Fuck everyone and I hope Silent Hill 4 fans suffer next and not SH3. Fuck Europeans.

>>715719041
I am also worried about SH1 and SH3, they are harder to adapt than SH2, especially if they want to cater to normies.
SH4 would probably benefit from a remake. The potential is there, but second half of the game is straight up unfinished. And I think we'd benefit to know more about the victims we're interacting with.

>>715700431
>Hinako, why aren't you playing with your friends?
>They won't let me play house with them, because I hang out with boys

this game is gonna kill the SH IP again, and this time for good

>80 euros for a AA game from a hong kong studio (their first real game btw)
>soulslike combat
>action focused
>no guns, only melee weapons
>weapon durability
>japanese setting
>every enemy will be doll-like
>female protag
>schoolgirl drama themes (mobbing)
>child abuse
>unwanted pregnancies (maybe even pro-abortion, as ryukishi is a leftoid degenerate)
>not even a mainline SH, but a spin-off (just a rebranded horror game)

hyped for SH1 remake though

>>715720986
>I am also worried about SH1 and SH3, they are harder to adapt than SH2
What makes you say that?

>>715695015 (OP)
It didn't flop, it was a critical and commercial success and that's exactly the problem because mainstream audiences have no standards and will eat any slop you serve them.
The criticism came from fans of the original and people who are tired of low effort remakeslop.

>>715722138
In SH1, the story is more complex, full of lies, twist, turns, subtext, and IRL occult shit. The devs also boldly assume you'll replay it probably more than once to understand the story fully. Or at least, as fully as they're willing to give it to you.
SH3 is a challenge because Heather's character is really wrapped up in her inner monologue, which is something that Blooper made the creative decision to not do. So either Heather will be a huge yapper which kills horror, or we'll just have to miss out on her thoughts.

>>715720986
SH4 is the only remake they should have done, the game is a mess but the core concept is excellent and it would be nice if it was revisited properly. The apartment scenes could absolutely benefit from UE5 modern graphics too.

>>715722674
>In SH1, the story is more complex
It's really not, it's just more obtuse because you don't know what's really going on until the end when you get your full exposition.
>SH3 is a challenge because Heather's character is really wrapped up in her inner monologue
Wow, you're totally right. Having an inner monologue makes it so much more complex than SH2!

>>715722839
>they should rape SH4
No thanks, retard

>>715725704
>SH2 fags try not to be too sensitive challenge: Impossible
SH1 is a bit exposition heavy, yeah, but you can't get the "full" picture until you get the good + ending, which no one does on their first playthrough unless they look it up. Even so, lots of questions are still left unanswered, and lot of character building is in the subtext rather than plain old text. Also, let's not pretend that SH2 doesn't hit you with exposition at the last stretch of the game too. James literally has a monologue about what PH represents.
>Having an inner monologue makes it so much more complex than SH2!
Didn't say that. Just that the abundance of inner monologue makes the game hard to adapt for a team that chose to forgo inner monologue.

>>715726765
The only complex thing about SH1 is the fact that they might all be dead which is left ambiguous. All of the characters are entirely one-dimensional including the main protagonist. SH2 is a character driven story with characters that have some actual depth to them. Some people think that James is an unrepentant asshole who is only pretending to be a nice guy, others think he's a good man who had bad things happen to him and it sent him over the edge which he suffers deeply from. There are subtle hints in the story that the characters might also all be dead or that you're stuck in a time loop. The monster symbolism in SH1 isn't as personal or interwoven into the narrative as it is in SH2 because they're all just Alessa's fears and everyone can see them. SH2 is the first game that introduces the idea that people trapped in Silent Hill might not be seeing the same things as another, subtle hints are dropped that Laura may not even see any monsters at all.

Who even is Laura? We're told she was a friend of Mary's when she was in the hospital but what is a little girl like her doing in a place like Silent Hill in the first place? Is she more of an otherworldly presence who is meant to guide James to face the truth, the angel to Pyramid Head's devil? She relies on James to drive the plot forward and finding Mary and pops up at key turning points throughout his journey and the main theme of the game is literally named after her.

SH1 revolves entirely around a single person; SH2 revolves around several. SH3 has a shitty story and most of the cast is one-dimensional including Heather. Not being as bland as Harry doesn't make her a complex character. The only interesting character is Father Vincent who provides us with the only clue to a potentially complex theme that never gets fully explored, the fact that Heather might be killing real people and is only hallucinating them as monsters.

I could go on and on.

>>715726765
>Didn't say that.
You said SH3 was harder to adapt than SH2 and then go on to explain that SH1 has a more complex plot. It's inferred because what else is there that is supposedly hard to adapt? The environmental design? The atmosphere? The camera angles? The dialogue? The music?

>>715728401
>it's another episode of SH2fags showing they haven't played SH1 and then overanalyzing simple aspects of their game to the point where something easily understood is now super confusing
You guys may as well be cattle with how effectively retarded your brains have become.

>>715730721
Then explain it to me in your own words. What makes SH1 a more complex story than SH2?

>>715701076
>i thought you wanted the survival horror genre to come back?

Silent Hill 2 demake has a much tactical gun combat as a Chris Redfield game.

>>715728401
>what is a little girl like her doing in a place like Silent Hill in the first place?
Laura misinterpreted Mary's letter, thinking that the "quiet and beautiful place" Mary was referring to was Silent Hill (since Mary showed Laura photos she took of the town and talked about how much she liked it) and not Heaven. At least that's how the game presents it. I do like your interpretation though.
>and the main theme of the game is literally named after her.
https://www.ign.com/articles/silent-hill-2-remake-world-exclusive-deep-dive-interview
>IGN: I'd like to ask about the music piece Theme of Laura. It's become a standout work even among your many famous pieces, but why Laura, and not James or Mary?
>Yamaoka: (Laughs) “The reason for that is because the first cutscene to be finished back then was Laura's. To be honest, it got that title because Laura was the first character I saw, not so much because I set out to write a theme song for her.
This makes me think it being called that doesn't really mean anything.

>>715731074
Complexity in the sense the other poster meant is not "Woah... the story is so deep and complex..." it's literally how much of the story the game deigns itself to tell you at a given time.
Most of SH1 is pretty difficult to piece together. We know that to be true because there's a whole fucking film and prequel game that stand as monuments to people being unable to understand SH1 to such a degree.
SH2 is actually fairly simple to understand, because it's not trying to be obscured like 1. You talk about Laura like she's deep and mysterious and takes YEARS to fully comprehend, but the game tells you everything. Laura is real for a start, because she's what tells James (and the player) that Mary didn't die three years ago. She's not an otherworldly presence because... the opening of the game shows her hitching a ride with Eddie. That's probably the most obscured thing in the game, that Eddie and Laura have a relationship, but once you play it, then look back at the opening, it's pretty clear.

In SH1, most people don't know what Alessa's deal is. you are given several contradictory explanations for the nightmare and its root cause, conversations with Lisa are often schizophrenic and alongside Dahlia most of their answers only create more questions, and no matter what ending you get it's not gonna be terribly satisfying, and that's all on purpose. That's how Toyama has written games for over 20 years.
But, there's no point discussing this with you because you're arguing in bad faith. Your post already shows you discarding most things and treating anything that isn't like Silent Hill 2 as worthless. You're probably in high school or university.

>>715731494
>Complexity in the sense the other poster meant is not "Woah... the story is so deep and complex..." it's literally how much of the story the game deigns itself to tell you at a given time.
Most of SH1 is pretty difficult to piece together. We know that to be true because there's a whole fucking film and prequel game that stand as monuments to people being unable to understand SH1 to such a degree.
Yeah, that is what I meant. Can't be bothered to argue with a SH2fag though, I can never tell if they are intentionally obtuse or retarded, either way it's a waste of time.

I just want a remaster of the 4 original games with trophies, is this hard to do Konami? you did it for Metal Gear Solid and Castlevania.

>>715732297
Konami blocked a remaster of the original games to do the remakes instead. Ito said as much in the Short Message BTS videos.

>>715695015 (OP)
>Silent Hill is getting the sloppy remake treatment
it's over /vr/bros.....

I hate remakes on principal, so I'm not mad that Konami works with Bloober to remake SH1, I'm mad that for all the posturing idiots online do, it never matters in the end, because audience consensus will always enjoy slop.

>>715695015 (OP)
they have literally no idea what else to do but try to convince people to buy new "modernized" versions of the same game they made before (and by "modernized" I of course mean "with all the problematic or politically incorrect elements removed)

>>715731370
I'm sorry but we should really not take the opinions of creators so seriously decades after the fact. Unless he has a super memory like John Romero, chances are that people aren't going to remember exactly what they thought at a specific moment in time 23 years later. Then again, pretty much everything has already been laid out in those old Japanese strategy guides so it could be true I suppose but that doesn't change that Laura is as integral to James' story as Maria. Someone should scan and translate the guides for SH1 and see what they reveal about the meaning of it all.

>>715731494
Complexity is not about being obtuse is my point and the fact that people constantly have to resort to Ito's tweets and pictures of guide books to confirm or de-confirm fan theories proves that SH2 is not actually as straight forward as people want to pretend but it's less obtuse than SH1 which makes it a better told story.
>the opening of the game shows her hitching a ride with Eddie.
This isn't something that's hinted at in the actual game though and it's probably just an unused cutscene since Eddie is sitting and eating pizza just like he does in the bowling alley. She acts familiar with him but it's strongly hinted at later in the game that Angela has also previously met with Laura off-screen and she told her about what James did and I find it unlikely that all three would've driven in the same van to get to the town.

>>715734272
>Complexity is not about being obtuse is my point
And that's irrelevant because your conception of what the word means holds no weight in front of what it had been used for.
>the fact that people constantly have to resort to Ito's tweets and pictures of guide books to confirm or de-confirm fan theories proves that SH2 is not actually as straight forward as people want to pretend but it's
No, it just proves most SH2 fans are fucking braindamaged retards and that's why Ito thinks you faggots are annoying.
SH2 fans are not "deep thinkers" seriously considering a "complex and obtuse" game. They're borderline animals who overcomplicate shit for themselves CONSTANTLY, like that one retard who had an unhinged 500 posts tirade about how James was getting molested in the hospital, with "evidence" backing every single point. That's not SH2 being complex, that's people projecting.
Most of SH2 is explained to you. James states what Pyramid Head is and represents, he outright states what Maria is in a good chunk of the endings, why he is there and what's going on with Mary is explained in the game, why Angela and Eddie are there is both explained in the game. Not even in files, all this shit is in mandatory cutscenes.
>This isn't something that's hinted at in the actual game though
It is, that's why Laura and Eddie are hanging out and having a casual conversation in the bowling alley.
>and it's probably just an unused cutscene since Eddie is sitting and eating pizza just like he does in the bowling alley.
That's retarded fanspiction to go "yeah that doesn't count".
If it doesn't count, why'd they put it in the game. Why'd they put it in the fucking NOVEL. The book of lost memories even confirms this:
>17. Laura gives Eddie a kick while he sits on the street. This scene indicates that the two of them met by chance on the way to Silent Hill.
Also, what Angela scene? You mean the one invented by people who had NOTHING to do with Silent Hill 2?

>>715731494
>In SH1, most people don't know what Alessa's deal is
We do. She was a witch who was born for a specific purpose, to remake the world as envisioned by the cult and cleanse it of the sinners. There are hints in the game that she was bullied, such as the random crying in the stalls in one of the bathrooms and the entire concept of the Grey Children because the other kids feared her powers. Considering how old Dahlia is and how a father is never hinted at and all the Christian symbolism throughout, I think it's inferred that it was an unnatural birth like the conception and birth of Jesus Christ himself.
>conversations with Lisa are often schizophrenic
Because she's dead but doesn't know it yet. This is outright shown to us during a particular cutscene "Not Tomorrow".

>>715734272
>it's strongly hinted at later in the game that Angela has also previously met with Laura off-screen and she told her about what James did
No it's not. I'm assuming you're talking about Angela accusing James of not wanting Mary anymore and finding another woman. She doesn't need Laura to be told this, nor does Laura even accuse James of infidelity. In the otherworld we can find an article about Thomas's murder. If we rub two neurons together, we can deduce that Angela killed him. Who is to say that Angela doesn't have the same access to otherworldly knowledge about James that he (and we) do about her.
Laura and Eddie obviously have an established relationship judging by their chat. The intro sequence is most likely when the relationship started.

>>715734819
>We do.
Who is this "We"? Because I can point to MULTIPLE project backed by Konami that cost several million (if not hundreds of millions) that depict Alessa as a devil child a la Omen or even Ringu.
>Considering how old Dahlia is and how a father is never hinted at and all the Christian symbolism throughout, I think it's inferred that it was an unnatural birth like the conception and birth of Jesus Christ himself.
No, that's just a Carrie reference. A fairly obvious one.
>Because she's dead but doesn't know it yet. This is outright shown to us during a particular cutscene "Not Tomorrow".
Did you have a bot write this or something, normal people just say "That scene where she's bleeding" or something.
Anyways, Lisa isn't dead and again you're showing that you don't actually get the game. She's "just like the others", which is something that holds a degree of complexity to it (but I guess since it's not Silent Hill 2 and you can't go "oh... muh sexual frustration... GOD I NEED TO JERK OOOOOOOOOFFF" it's not important), but she's not dead. We know that because she shows up in the ending and the doctors and nurses also aren't dead- we know that because of Cybil.

>>715734819
>She was a witch who was born for a specific purpose
Dahlia only realizes her potential later though.
>Considering how old Dahlia is and how a father is never hinted at and all the Christian symbolism throughout, I think it's inferred that it was an unnatural birth like the conception and birth of Jesus Christ himself.
She was 32 when she gave birth to her. I know that according to /pol/ women reach their peak fertility at 12 and are menopausal at 19, but that's not how things go in the real world. Anyway, Dahlia's aged appearance is most likely due to her dabbling in dark magic. I forgot what the grimoire was called, but it outlines that to do damage to someone through magic, the caster does damage to him or herself in turn. SH1 is based on a lot of irl occultism. And Dahlia used a spell to torture Alessa for seven years.
>>715734819
>>715735365
>Because she's dead but doesn't know it yet.
>We know that because she shows up in the ending and the doctors and nurses also aren't dead
The plain truth of it is we don't know what the deal is with Lisa. She could be a manifestation, she could be a ghost, she could be a living woman possessed by a parasite. Hell, once I read a compelling theory that she's the embodiment of hospitals Seal of Metatron. It's one of those things we just don't have a concrete explanation for, and can only infer.

>>715695015 (OP)
people are talking about silent hill in this thread so i'm just gonna say it: i hated silent hill 3.

>>715734720
>James states what Pyramid Head is and represents
He never explains who he really is which is James, or that PH's robes is meant to represent the doctors that James also blames for failing to save Mary.
>why he is there and what's going on
Again, this is you thinking that exposition stops making something complex which isn't the case at all and is something that SH1 is guilty of too. There are many things that the game never outright confirms or deconfirms such as James' corpses found in town. The complex parts is that we aren't really sure if Maria is just a figment of James' imagination because we never get shown or hinted that she interacts with anyone else throughout the story. The subtle voice acting of Monica Taylor Hogan during the jail scene where she uncannily switches between Maria and Mary in an instant makes us uncertain of her motivations, but the theme of the story is James realizing and accepting the truth of what he's done so him saying these things aloud at the very end narratively fits because it's a personal journey.

When we first meet Angela in the graveyard she acts like James where she doesn't remember everything, but as soon as we meet her in the apartments again it's hinted that she already fully remembers by that point and her personality completely changes from depressed to scared little girl throughout. When we meet her for the next time, she shows her true colors, but when we next meet her for the final time she acts like an actual abused person would in real life: blaming herself and telling us her mother was right all along that she deserved to get beaten and raped. She doesn't overcome her ordeals and neither does Eddie. James is the only one who can potentially overcome it all and come out a changed person. We don't get the full picture until the very end and all the pieces come together but the story and characters are layered throughout and the gameplay itself is part of how the story is told as well.

>>715734720
>That's retarded fanspiction to go "yeah that doesn't count".
How is it fanfiction if it's not in the actual game? You know what else is in that cutscene that isn't present in the actual game either? James carrying Mary's corpse throughout the prison or Laura staring directly at Maria's POV (the camera) in Heaven's Night. Every other cutscene is present in the actual game except for those three. If none of the others are canon what makes the van one the exception? Because you wouldn't have a point without that being the case.
>If it doesn't count, why'd they put it in the game. Why'd they put it in the fucking NOVEL.
The novel also includes a scene where Eddie gets eaten by the dog he killed. It's not canon anymore than the Star Wars novelizations are canon.
>The book of lost memories even confirms this:
So you have to resort to using an authoritative source again. The actual game doesn't have any of the other two cutscenes either that I'm willing to bet that the book doesn't address as canon at all.
>Also, what Angela scene?
The one in the game during her boss fight. And yet you accuse me of not having played the games I'm talking about. Unlike you, I don't have a grudge against SH1 so I can maintain some form of objectivity here.

>>715734928
>In the otherworld we can find an article about Thomas's murder. If we rub two neurons together, we can deduce that Angela killed him.
That could be very plausible if it wasn't for the fact that Mary's murder was never exposed to the public because James disappeared into Silent Hill with her in the trunk immediately after the murder and SH4 confirms that James never returned.
>Laura and Eddie obviously have an established relationship judging by their chat.
Maybe, but I also think it could just as well be Laura being outgoing. We don't know how long they've talked for and she talked to James like she knew him personally the first time they met. I get that she was told about him a lot by Mary though.

>>715721203
Silent hill F will only kill non-remake silent hill games (shit) so I'm thankful to it for that. Hope we get to silent hill 4 before they're done, but stopping at 3 is fine too.

>>715738548
We don't know if Thomas's murder reached the press either. Otherworld is weird like that. Also, I'm not saying that she had to read a newspaper article too. Just some equivalent of it that would give her insight into James/Mary relationship.

>>715735365
>Omen
Omen is about Christian spirituality too. The Exorcist is another one. There is no Christian symbolism in Ringu.
> Because I can point to MULTIPLE project backed by Konami that cost several million
Please do.
>We know that because she shows up in the ending
Lisa drags Kaufman down into hell (symbolically at least) in both of the good endings while still bleeding from the forehead and hands and her eyes are glowing. There's nothing that indicates that she's actually still alive and it would directly contradict the earlier twist.
>>715736451
>She was 32 when she gave birth to her
Is a father ever revealed or hinted at though?

>>715739475
>Is a father ever revealed or hinted at though?
No, but she wouldn't be the first ho with no baby daddy in sight.

>literally the fastest selling game in the series, with the game selling 2 million units out of the entire franchises' 10 million sales
You fags are deluded. It just shows the anger of the disgusting little fanboys that have to shit on a game, simply because they can't play it.

>>715738287
>James carrying Mary's corpse throughout the prison
Could be a thing between their conversation and the In Water ending.
>or Laura staring directly at Maria's POV (the camera) in Heaven's Night.
Laura isn't in Heaven's Night in that scene, the lighting is completely different. My guess is that it's either an unused FMV of her entering the hotel room after James watched the tape, or her walking into Mary's hospital room.
There's no real reason to dismiss those scenes. In any case, Eddie asks Laura "Did you find that lady you were looking for? What's her name, Mary?". Meaning that the bowling ally wasn't their first encounter.

>>715738190
>He never explains who he really is
He does. He literally states that Pyramid Head exists to punish James for his sins.
>which is James
Oh you mean the fanfic headcanon shit, gotcha.
>or that PH's robes is meant to represent the doctors that James also blames for failing to save Mary.
That's not like, "THE TRUE MEANING OF SILENT HILL 2", that's detail. That contributes little to the understanding of the game if true.
Your whole post reeks of what I already described, which is classic SH2fags overanalyzing the game to the point where Ito is freaked the fuck out and you give yourself mental retardation.
>How is it fanfiction if it's not in the actual game?
Damn guys... what the fuck is SH1 even about, like, why is this guy just... in a car or whatever. What do you mean watch the opening, that's not the actual game, fucking dumbass.
>James carrying Mary's corpse
09. James wanders through a place that resembles a prison holding a woman in his arms. Could this scene which doesn't appear in the main part of the game be an image from James' mind?
>Laura staring directly at Maria's POV
That's literal fanspiction, because that doesn't exist.
>Every other cutscene is present in the actual game
Like the SH1 opening, woah.
>It's not canon
The opening and novel both corroborate the same fact you're screeching in denial over.
>The actual game doesn't have any of the other two cutscenes either that I'm willing to bet that the book doesn't address as canon at all.
For the Laura one, I presume you meant the scene where she visible isn't in Heaven's Night, and it does go over that:
23. Laura visits Mary's room. She enters tentatively while assessing the situation. Who could be there that she has set her eyes upon?
>The one in the game during her boss fight.
That doesn't imply she saw Laura at all.

Again, SH2fags are so INVESTED in headcanons and overly complex theories that they make a very straightforward narrative MORE complex by simply misunderstanding EVERYTHING

>>715739475
>Omen is about Christian spirituality too. The Exorcist is another one. There is no Christian symbolism in Ringu.
What I meant was that the popular interpretation of Alessa is just "evil demon child".
>Please do.
The fucking movie, where she is LITERALLY Satan, and Origins, where she is literally evil and fucks with Travis and is destroying the world (until the ending where the game decides "Yeah she's cool actually").
>while still bleeding from the forehead and hands and her eyes are glowing. There's nothing that indicates that she's actually still alive and it would directly contradict the earlier twist.
The twist isn't that she's dead, it's that she's like everyone else in the hospital. The doctors and nurses have the same parasite Cybil had. That's it.

>>715740268
>Could be a thing between their conversation and the In Water ending.
Now I'm not the one just making baseless assumptions here.
>My guess is that it's either an unused FMV of her entering the hotel room after James watched the tape, or her walking into Mary's hospital room.
The dresser which is present in Maria's scenario and the fact that the "Heaven's Night" logo is the last thing to fade just before the transitioning to that scene and Laura clearly mouthing "hi" while smiling and walking towards you is indicative that's where it is even if the door is placed on the wrong side and the design isn't totally 1:1: https://youtu.be/4LCl2_DK6QU?t=206
https://youtu.be/NlQN5771Z6E?t=13

>>715695015 (OP)
>You guys said the remake flopped
And you believed it? /v/ also said elden ring flipped and that shit hit like 20 million copies sold around when the dlc released.

A great bit of advice is to do your own research and not trust the dumb shit people make up for attention here

>>715740910
>The dresser which is present in Maria's scenario
Maria's scenario was envisioned over a year after the opening was made. The dresser is there because Maria is Mary's doppelganger.
>and the fact that the "Heaven's Night" logo is the last thing to fade just before the transitioning to that scene
The logo is the brightest thing on the screen man.
SH2fags, this is your mindset.

>>715740910
>Now I'm not the one just making baseless assumptions here.
I'm not saying it's the correct interpretation, but it's what I've got. The scene ends with James picking up Mary's corpse and carrying her off. Then it cuts to him in the car. We don't know how far he was carrying her for, nor which route he took. It's not impossible.
>The dresser which is present in Maria's scenario and the fact that the "Heaven's Night" logo is the last thing to fade just before the transitioning to that scene
The logo is just bright, causing it to be the last thing to fade out. As for the vanity, yeah, they are similar. But the entire room has a different layout. Which is more likely, that the two similar pieces of furniture exist or that the room changed completely? Anyway, the point is moot, as BfoW was conceptualized and came out much later down the line.

Remakes are always going to sell no matter how fucking trash it is because it still has a skeleton of a good game even if a few bones go missing or twisted. And people are always going to defend remakes because they made that franchise a part of who they are and the conflate criticism with themselves and the original even if they don't realize it.

Like look at this, claiming a decades old mystery has been solved while using the remake of SH2, conflating the two games as one.

It's ok to admit you have bad taste in games, just don't cope about how said bad game is actually good.

>>715736919
I did too at first. But I came to love it years down the line. I think that it highlight the main theme of the series as a whole. Suffering happens, but you have to learn to roll with a punches and choose to be happy and kind. Otherwise you're stuck in the hell of your own making, no matter where you go.

>>715701075
Out of all of that, really hope they expand on the police station.

>>715698771
Agreed. Silent Hill 1 is a much better game than 2 tho, so there's more for Bloober to fuck up this time around, but I will be giving the benefit of the doubt after 2.

>>715745029
How much you want to bet they will either remove all the animal abuse or double down on it trying to be edgy with it?

>>715740416
>He does. He literally states that Pyramid Head exists to punish James for his sins.
No, that's his PURPOSE I'm talking about WHO he is.
Oh you mean the fanfic headcanon shit, gotcha.
Pyramid Head is James himself and this is not something that is ever fully revealed but is rather hinted at by his mask being an actual helmet propped up by an airbag underneath and is not his actual head and by him grunting that sounds a lot like Guy Cihi when he lunges his weapon at you or James being able to wield the Great Knife too. Ito himself also confirmed this. This is clearly not something you were able to figure out on your own but I suspected it for years even before reading Ito's tweet that was posted here. You should really stop pretending like you actually know what you're talking about.
>That's not like, "THE TRUE MEANING OF SILENT HILL 2", that's detail. That contributes little to the understanding of the game if true.
The symbolism relates to the true meaning of Silent Hill 2 as much as what the characters tell you. You're backpedalling now.
>what the fuck is SH1 even about, like, why is this guy just... in a car or whatever. What do you mean watch the opening, that's not the actual game
The cutscene in SH1 functions as an actual intro that starts playing as you boot up the game but SH2's doesn't because it actually spoils an important plot point and you have to wait in the main menu screen for 2 minutes before it starts just like the demo gameplays of SH1. We never get to see how James arrives in Silent Hill unlike Harry. They don't serve the same purpose.
>09. James wanders through a place that resembles a prison holding a woman in his arms
You keep resorting to the novelization but it's completely fair to only consider the actual source material as canon. I wouldn't consider the novelizations of SH1 or SH3 as being canon either and these novels weren't written by someone from the team and were published years later in 2006. Ito was only an illustrator.

>>715744913
I want more of Cheryl and Cybil. They're both mainly just plot devices in the game. Cheryl is a macguffin, and Cybil exists so that Harry can express his thoughts and recap the plot for us without talking to himself. Though at least with Cybil, I can list a few personality traits. Some flashbacks with Cheryl during Harry's passouts and a brief escort mission with Cybil are more than enough.

>>715740416
>That's literal fanspiction, because that doesn't exist.
It's interesting that you think something has to be outright told to you in order for it to be factual, but you're criticizing SH2 for not being as complex as SH1 even though what you consider to be complex from that game is all the stuff that isn't fully explained in detail either but rather hinted at. Why the difference in treatment? I think we both know why.
>Like the SH1 opening, woah.
This doesn't even make sense as a response.
>The opening and novel both corroborate the same fact you're screeching in denial over.
I guess I must've missed the part where Eddie gets mauled by four dogs after James kills him since that also doesn't happen in the game either.
>quoting the novel again like a broken record
It can't be Mary's room because there's no dresser there and Mary's letter to Laura was given to her in the hospital:
>My dearest Laura, I'm leaving this letter with Rachel to give to you after I'm gone. I'm far away now. In a quiet, beautiful place. Please forgive me for not saying goodbye before I left.

There's no indication anywhere in the story that Laura visited James and Mary's apartment which is where she was moved once the doctors realized she was beyond saving. It's not a hospital room either.

I don't really feel like wasting my time anymore with an angry fanboy who lets his emotions get the better of him and isn't quite as smart as he would like to believe. You clearly hate SH2 and think it's unfair that it "stole" the attention from SH1 and you're free to do so of course just as I'm free to correct you when you don't know what you're talking about which I've just done. Although I would like for you to explain to everyone here how SH1 is complex without resorting to theorizing based on hints or clues. There's a novelization for that one too so it's only fair.

>>715745207
I don't think they'll shy away from it. One of (imo) positive changes they did the SH2 remake was make the game closer in tone to SH1 and 3. The original SH2 always felt more melancholic compared to the more threatening atmosphere of the other games, which is fine for the story but it's not what I personally want from a 'horror' game.

>>715745371
>There's no indication anywhere in the story that Laura visited James and Mary's apartment which is where she was moved once the doctors realized she was beyond saving. It's not a hospital room either.
It could be a scene in the hospital room though. Or it could be Laura entering a hotel room. Either way, it's not Heaven's Night.

>>715740613
>What I meant was that the popular interpretation of Alessa is just "evil demon child".
Demon stuff comes from Abrahamic religions though. I think it's totally possible that was conceived through magic as a perversion of Jesus Christ since the cult wants to rebuild the world and crosses are everywhere and you first meet Dahlia in a church.
>the movie and Origins are considered canon to SH1 now
>The twist isn't that she's dead, it's that she's like everyone else in the hospital
Lisa didn't have a parasite though and she was never hostile to anyone but Kaufmann.

>>715695015 (OP)
50 people on /v/ hating a game fortunately isn't the entire consumer base

>>715745672
>Alessa's conception
It's not impossible. The strongest argument for that theory is the title of the Alessa's painting in SH3.
>Daughter of God, Mother of God
But it could easily be just the cult itself retconning Dahlia being a slut. Personally, I always liked the idea that Kaufmann was her father. They share the same coloring, and there is something deeply perverse about both of her parents being involved in her torture. She never stood a chance. Also, as much as I dislike Origins, it creates a nice parallel with Harry and Jodie discussing Cheryl while Kaufmann and Dahlia discuss Alessa. I'm not married to that headcanon though.

>>715745357
Silent Hill: Play Novel has what's going on with Cheryl and Cybil while Harry is going through Silent Hill. Hope Bloober takes some elements from Play Novel.

3 > 1 > 2 > 4

>>715745817
who gives a shit what normies think?

>>715698771
I've long since accepted that I will never see another AAA tank control horror game, so the Silent Hill 2 remake was mostly inoffensive save some shit like the women's heads being too large and that gay shit with Maria's outfit. The voice acting was shit too. It's amazing how a modern game gets absolutely mogged in voice acting in a game that released 20+ years ago when people where only just starting to care about voice acting

>>715746268
>gif
Cute! Nothing about the Play Novel is canon though. The story can branch off into some insanely wild stuff. For one thing, Cheryl probably stopped existing as herself as soon as she made contact with Alessa.

>>715695015 (OP)
Implying Konami gives a shit about the franchise or its integrity

>>715746586
We have gone beyond that. With zoomies eating up whatever silent hill slop has been put in front of them due to youtube video essays konami can do whatever they want and the new fake fans will eat it up

>>715746696

>>715746768
What would his silent hill look like?

>>715747009
Trump's America.

>>715741847
>The scene ends with James picking up Mary's corpse and carrying her off.
But Mary is already in the trunk, who he would be carrying then would actually be Maria disguised as Mary. That's why I don't think it makes sense.
>The logo is just bright, causing it to be the last thing to fade out.
My point is that we see Maria in Heaven's Night just before the scene with Laura and she is visible in the transition too but not as much as the Heaven's Night logo.
>The entire room has a different layout
Mary's room in James' apartment doesn't have a dresser and neither do any hospital rooms that I know of and hospital walls are usually painted white. The dresser's mirror also appears dilapidated just like the one in Maria's dress room in Heaven's Night. There's no windows in the hallways but there is a window with those same white blinds but I concede it might be stretching it a bit but so is concluding it's a hospital room.

I think there's a good chance it might've been an early discarded scene that was never updated to match the layout of the finalized design used for the room in Heaven's Night because it doesn't look like a hospital room at all. Maybe a private one idk but not from any American movie I know of which is where Team Silent got most of their aesthetic influences from like Con Air for Laura's and Mary's clothes.
>BfoW was conceptualized and came out much later down the line.
Maybe, but Heaven's Night wasn't or the hint that "Maria" was a stripper from there. I don't think they just cooked up that scenario on the spot in 3 months, I think it might've just barely missed out on being cut content that they could repurpose for the Xbox release.

>>715746696
>traumatized abuse victim is not bangable
At least they admit it.

>>715695015 (OP)
thank god bloober gets to do a remake nobody cares about instead of touching f

>>715721203
I'm only waiting for the rule 34 yuri rape from the monster enemies

>>715721203
lmao the minmo tatt

>>715747647
They're probably remaking SH1 because of it. F might end or lead into 1 in some way.

>>715748042
no im saying im glad bloober cant fuck up f

>silent hill remake rape apes

>>715710645
>Cutscene happens on lizard fight
>Yellow paint falls in it's mouth

>>715746428
>I've long since accepted that I will never see another AAA tank control horror game
Like the boomer shooter we have to go to indies for that. It's our retirement home.

>>715749175
>Like the boomer shooter we have to go to indies for that. It's our retirement home.
Yup. Games like Tormented Souls and Alisa give me hope that we'll see an indie tank control renaissance like we saw with boomer shooters

>>715695015 (OP)
Because konami asked them to

>>715698771
The problem with SH2R is that it drags for too long and it feels like Downpour and Homecoming

>>715748042
SHf is completely disconnected. They are just trying to make a spiritual successor to Siren

The remake was just ok, but the fight with Eddie was so much fucking better.

>>715749632
It drags too long because they put hundreds of enemies in it that like magnetically attach to you so you can't effectively run around them

>>715700431
R07bros, we are eating good

>>715695015 (OP)
because trannies bought this shit

>>715750038
But you can run around them, infact you get an achievement for beating the game in less than 10 hours and another ones for beating with only melee weapons.
Basically the game is inflated with corridors to make the game drag longer.

>>715700431
Its probably very mediocre

>>715745286
>I'm talking about WHO he is.
Something completely irrelevant to SH2.
>Oh but Ito said he's James
Yeah, people get the metaphor. The monsters are birthed of the characters, so PH is of James. People would very easily arrive at that conclusion.
Most of this post, as well as all your other posts, is this dismally retarded attempt at showing off your ability to overcomplicate things for yourself to the point where you get confused by incredibly basic things.
>The cutscene in SH1 functions as an actual intro that starts playing as you boot up the game
Oh it's different. Why? Because... it just is.
I don't care how long you have to wait, that doesn't mean "Oh, all these scenes that Sato spent hours or days rendering? Uh... yeah, they're meaningless, just ignore them and listen to ME, some retard on the internet!"
>You keep resorting to the novelization
That's not the novel, that's Book of Lost Memories, a work which consulted original staff, which itself features opening cinema analysis sections.
>I guess I must've
The opening shows Laura and Eddie outside Silent Hill next to a van.
The novel states Laura rode into town with Eddie.
>It can't be Mary's room because there's no dresser there
That's Mary's room at James' place, not her hospital room, where Laura would visit her.
Again, you're overcomplicating shit for yourself and showing how fucked in the head you truly are. Were you to do this with Shakespeare 200 years ago, you'd be rightfully having your skull cracked open and your brain examined for mold, but instead I have to listen to you freaks drone on and on about retarded shit spewing out of your brain and onto my screen.

>>715745672
>>the movie and Origins are considered canon to SH1 now
That was never stated, but Konami does consider Origins as "canon", yeah.
The point was that those were both massive projects, both overseen by Konami, both based around Silent Hill 1, and both arrived at WRONG conclusions for Alessa's character.
>Lisa didn't have a parasite though
Well, who else is she like?
Those doctors and nurses aren't dead, they're being puppeted, hence the name "Puppet Nurses". The only other parasite you see in the game is the one that gets Cybil, and she is animated in a similar way.
The logical conclusion is that Lisa is the same as *them*. Her glowing eyes are also a trait of Cybil when she gets the parasite- barely visible in the original game, but the Play Novel makes that aspect of it abundantly clear.