Thread 715728105

How do we fix the studio problem?

>>715728105 (OP)
gamepass has to be the biggest blunder in vidya history

You learn about publishers' dirty tricks early in your career and decide to never work under them again while steering your ship slowly but correctly.

Companies have no interest in keeping people employed while they have literally nothing to do, even if for one week
Job-hopping has been the norm for this past decade and a half

>the studio with 4k employees is firing some of them
Whoa. They aren't the "Oblivion remaster studio", these fuckers are absolutely gigantic and working on a gorrillon projects at once.

>hired to work on a game
>game is completed
>you look for another game to work on
How is this a bad thing?
Beats being kept on to do some inane live service bullshit or shitty mtx card game.

>>715728105 (OP)
oblivion is the nortubel of the tes

>>715728105 (OP)

This wouldn't happen if every studio wasn't bloated to absurdity with hundreds of employees whose work is totally useless or outright harmful.

>>715728105 (OP)
By letting them all burn to the ground. That’ll drive away the infection for others to begin anew.

>>715728270
In the past, keeping them would have been worth it because they have competences, but now everything is Unreal Engine slop and no game have any ambition whatsoever so it doesn't matter.

>>715728105 (OP)
They agreed to make the game without receiving any cut of the game's sales. It's just a retarded business decision is why this is happening

I may not be a businessman or business saavy in the slightest but it feels like if you feel comfortable removing 300 people from your company and still being able to perform then you're overhiring.

It's not like they're creating anything new, they're taking something already existing and putting a new coat of paint on it.

>>715728105 (OP)
>work on game
>hire a bunch
>finish game
>lay off people you don't need anymore
>hire them again when you need to get the next game over the finish line

>>715728270
>Job-hopping has been the norm for this past decade and a half
I wish loyalty to a company was rewarded in America but it feels like if I stayed at any job longer than 2 years I was fucking myself over financially. After spending 5 years at a small IT firm I started job hopping and have more than doubled my income since leaving it.

>>715728105 (OP)
step one is killing everyone who has ever paid for a "remaster" when the original is fully functional

>>715729020
So it’s just turning game development into gig economy shit?

>>715728890
Factory workers aren't stupid for not asking for 1% commission on each metal part they inspect.
What makes you think the average UX designer or whatever minute part they work on is enough leverage to demand such a thing when they already get paid for their work?

>>715729128
>oblivion
>fully functioning

>>715728105 (OP)
>>715729141
1% ultimately want everything to be gig economy and they will get their way in the U.S because Americans are retarded and think workers rights/unions are evil

>>715728105 (OP)
They seem to be fixing it themselves

>>715728105 (OP)
I honestly can't blame Bethesda for refusing to work with Virtuos anymore and apparently cancelling future projects, because Oblivion Remastered is a buggy mess. The constant crashing was the worse part.

>>715729141
late stage capitalism is basically every job being a uber driver, so yes

>revolving door UE5 slop studio lays off 300 UE5 jeets after they ship their slop
WHAT? NO WAY!

What I don't get is that people will say that people who want minium wage raised will make everything more expensive and basically your dumb but those same people will ignore when a ceo or upper level person gives themselves a raise in the millions that equates to like 100s% increases

>>715729543
Those people are simply billionaire cocksuckers, like most americans are, because it's their culture.

>>715729543
Raising the minimum wage only makes things more expensive in the long run. CEOs getting more money doesn't affect me. It's shitty but not my problem.

>>715729296
>unions are evil
its real, theres something going on with genshin impact and their voice actors being in a union and they are striking, the players celebrate it when the voice actors are replaced by non-union VAs, or are hoping for AI VAs. Because why would a company be so stupid and hire unionized workers right? haha that would be so stupid!
living in the EU i cant fathom how burgers go through the day every day knowing they could get fired literally anytime, fuck you, poof, youre out

>>715729419
Unironically, that bear was hit by a paralyze spell and was hit with something to make it go spinning. This looks goofy and silly but this is an intentional feature, don't be disingenuous.

>>715729196
Not the same thing dumbass.

>>715729907
>i cant fathom how burgers go through the day every day knowing they could get fired literally anytime
Because it's so easy to get fired it's also so easy to get hired. Companies are prepared at any time to onboard someone new at a moments notice because the whims of the managers are so fickle they could fire someone important because they don't bend the knee. People who do just enough to not get in trouble stay employed and then move to the next job as soon as possible.

>>715729913
if you think that is intentional you are a fucking idiot

>>715729707
I am an American tho and I find defending billionaires weird.
>>715729819
I just don't see how that's possible though, like say you raise min wage up idk 15% across the board why does that affect things long term but when a upper management person and there's a significant number of those raise their wages for an example just for the discussion by like 300% why does that not affect things long term

>>715729141
It's been that way forever. Either outsourcing asset creation or hiring a bunch for the final sprint and laying them off when it's done. AAA studios usually are doing both. Microsoft even follows the 18 month rule just to avoid ridiculous overhead.

>>715730385
It is, stupid brown trash. As I described, that bear was hit by a paralyze spell before being hit by something else to make it go flying. At least post real bugs to make your case. When you post lies it just hurts your argument. Oh wait, you're probably brown and you don't understand 2nd and 3rd order thinking, oh no!

>>715731143
>hit by something else to make it go flying
Levitation magic was outlawed.

>>715729264
not him but I just played through oblivion goty edition from the microsoft store this last week on my win10 machine; unmodded, max settings, runs great, looks as it should, lower than average levels of bethesda jank (i was hoping for more, oblivion is best as a comedy game), and one single crash. this is my unsolicited anecdotal evidence, intended to be used for advocacy the devil.

>>715728270
There's still companies who understand the idea of institutional knowledge and value of experienced teams used to working together.
Even in gaming it's mostly the AAA studios that have this hire and fire cycle and it shows. They have no idea how to work with the tools and everything is bloated and inefficient.

>>715728105 (OP)
Am I misunderstanding, or is this implying that more than 300 people worked on a fucking remaster??

>>715728238
By selling out to China and crashing a surebet IP, then covering it up with astroturf and pretending it was successful?

>>715734360
China knows how to invest and then leave you the fuck alone. It's one reason they're doing so well right now, they keep politics out of their foreign business interests most of the time.

>>715734441
>so well
everything they touch ends in shit. E33 only had 3m sales with an army of outsourcers, hasbro won't let them touch the d&d ip ever again, and they somehow managed to lose money on oblivion leading to 300 layoffs
chinks are retards

>>715734328
Virtuous, who are a support studio (also doing MGS Delta, helped on THPS 3+4) have around 4000 employees.

shouldnt have censored the game
the only waiting for oblivion remastered were oldfags, and oldfags dont buy censored wokeslop

>>715728105 (OP)
"Layoffs after gold" has been a practice in the industry for at least 15 years, not sure why is acting like this is a new issue. I just hope it gets worse.

>>715729141
Agency work but they haven't admitted it is that yet.

Aren't they a Microsoft-owned studio? It's no surprise whatosever that a company that brags about how their shitty OS runs on 30% AI-written code is going to gut their video game studios to churn out bloated games filled with AI-generated assets that are so unpotimized that they can only reach playable framerates by artificially interpolating the native 360p/20fps image to 4k/60.

>>715736996
imagine writing all that when you cant factcheck the fact that virtuous studios isnt owned by anyone

>>715729913
>>715731143
>this is an intentional feature, don't be disingenuous
This is nonsense.

The spinning bear doesn't make any sense and is obviously not intentional. It is literally a bug. Sometimes enemies just start spinning and dancing after they die, instead of just falling to the ground as one would expect. >>715729419

>>715729819
Retard

>Chinese development group comprised exclusively of jobbers, 4,200 strong, who do bulk programming and nothing else lays off a minority of presumably contracted employees after the contract expires
>OH MY GOD, THE VIDEO GAME INDUSTRY IS CRASHING, HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN?
Do you niggers do any research before posting?

>>715734360
Absolutely mindbroken.

>>715729141
That's what art is, ya dingus. That's why painters, poets, performers died in poverty more often than not.
Not to mention the people in questions aren't even artists. They're equivalent to the people who assemble paintbrushes. Nothing being painted, why produce the brush?

>>715728270
Nomadic employment doesn't seem sustainable in this day and age.

>>715740814
You are either straight lying or a useful idiot. The proper analogy would be to a performer who is part of a troupe or, more modern, the heavily unionized film industry.

>>715742636
Not a troupe. A theatre company that owns the venue.

>>715740203
>Sometimes enemies just start spinning and dancing after they die
No they don't. It's a paralyze spell. You are lying. You've never even played this game. Fucking lying retards. If you are going to bash the game for glitches and bugs, actually focus on the glitches and the bugs.

>>715744635
I literally created that video >>715729419, dummy.

The game is buggy as fuck.

>>715728105 (OP)
Did they lay people off or was the contract simply completed?

>>715728105 (OP)
The people getting purged didnt "make" the game.
They are the DEI hires who contributed nothing of value.

>>715740725
You can't disprove this wong

>>715728105 (OP)
>factory makes hundreds if not thousands of different products
>plans production to change every so often as the need for one product is fulfilled
>moves workers around as needed to help keep throughput steady

>game studio makes one to three products
>lays off entire team every time a project changes phases
>hires new team every time a new product or project phase is started
>lays off workers instead of moving them between projects

Why are limp-wristed creative types so fucking bad at production while chad manufacturing and MRO have perfected it? it's literally called six sigma because it's for sigma production chains. what do software developers have? agile? yeah nice fucking agility faggots.

>>715744943
>doubles down on his lies
It's a spell effect, dummy. They become stiff like that. Even when you knock them over or hit them with an AOE spell that launches them.

>>715745038
probably completed contract. A lot of media said the same thing when jeremy clarkson was 'fired' but they just didn't renew his contract

>>715745738
It isn't a spell effect. If it were, then it would be easy to reproduce, but it only happens sporadically.

Just admit that it is a cosmetic bug and we can move on.

>>715745738
see >>715733375

>>715745863
All employment is contracted and has termination clauses. You fuck well know the difference that makes it meaningful to call "firing" the act of not renewing a revolving contract for reasons other than termination of the revolving thing (seasonal tv show) on which it based.

>>715729141
Its been like that for DECADES for CONTRACTED dev teams.

>>715746720
>revolving contract
lol. when a contract is up, neither party are obliged to continue and it's in both sides' best interest to renegotiate for better terms. calling the act of not pursuing a contract renewal as a 'firing' is retarded

>>715729020
>>715745429
You don't know if any of those people worked on Oblivion. You are a retard with 0 information who's explaining how things are working anyways.
That company has over 4000 employees.

>>715728105 (OP)
MORE LAYOFFS

>>715747198
A revolving contract simply has specific points at which a person can be fired instead of being "at will." Now shut up you fucking moron.

>>715747745
>specific points at which a person can be fired
or can quit
*without incurring penalties for breaching contract

>>715728105 (OP)
>Did your job
>You are now being let go
>"WOOOOOOOOW!"

>>715747198
>lol. when a contract is up, neither party are obliged to continue
No one said anything about that. That isn't what is being discussed. What is being discussed is that you know the difference between termination of employment for producing a single product (a game) and termination of employment for an ongoing service (hosting a recurring television show).

>>715728105 (OP)
It was likely done to avoid having to pay them certain benefits. Happened to me in IT just before I would be allowed to use my accumulated vacation time. Unofficially-temporary employees = cheap labor without having to hire illegal immigrants.
On the plus side, at least the remaining issues or bugs won't be fixed as the game is now abandoned.

>>715745883
You're stupid. You have never played Oblivion Remastered. You just want to talk shit about Bethesda, which is fine enough, but what you posted isn't necessarily a bug, sorry. When you use the paralyze spell on something they become stiff like that and you can knock them around or make them fly. It is absolutely reproducible.

There are actual annoying bugs in the game, like the persistent spell effects that force you to reload the game to clear them. That's actually a really annoying bug. You can focus on the real shit without making things up, homo.

>>715748649
>paralysis turns off gravity
>intentional

>>715728105 (OP)
if they won't make games for chuds then let them die, simple as

>>715729543
it will make everything more expensive and basically your dumb, you should kill CEOs, it's the best thing for a dumb person like you to do. because if dumb people start doing it, it may appear to be more random than it is and you'll be able to get a lot of them before they properly step up security. then smart people can start doing it.

>>715748921
It doesn't turn off gravity but it does lessen its effect, which is what is going on there. You, however, are passing it off as "look how broken and shitty this bear is haha!" which is disingenuous.

Why do people act as if devs somehow need to be employed when there is no work to be done?
If you have no project you have no work, that's how it's always been.

>>715749383
>You said "turn off" so I've got you now! It actually only reduces it almost entirely. And now I can safely ignore the word "intentional" and act like this is perfectly normal and reasonable.
lol

>>715749689
Yeah when things get hit with a payalysis spell they become floaty. Wether that is intentional or not I can't say. But you are passing that off as "this is how the game normally is" and I said this many times, and I'll say it again, you are being disingenuous.

>>715750165
disingenuous

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Things should not float when paralyzed. It is a bug.

>>715750630
Yes. "Disingenuous". Add it to your vocabulary, brown trash.

So are they shitting up the thread about this because they're trying to improve the image of the game or because they're trying to distract from conversation about society being degraded?

>>715750843
No, I was calling you disingenuous. Did you say the word too? I've only been reading the first few words of your posts because it becomes increasingly obvious that they're retarded drivel the further in one gets. But if you did say it: "No you."

>>715750740
It very well could have been intentional to make things floaty when under a paralysis effect, just cuz it's fun to knock something around and watch it fall over. But to pass it off as "this is just how the game normally is" is disingenuous (I will keep using that word since the brown trash seems to struggle with it).

>>715728105 (OP)
why did they put that ugly picture of the black bitch there?

>>715751091
Just be honest about the actual bugs in the game. Why is that so hard? There are plenty of real bugs in the game. Trash like you that make things up or intentionally misconstrue issues just make things worse.

>>715729419
>f-fr-freestyler
>rakamakofon
>straight from the top of my dome

>>715745429
The factory is unionized, the devs aren't. There's your different

>>715745038
Likely the latter, Virtuos is fucking HUGE. Despite what the title is trying to push in regards to Oblivion, they work on tons of games, both fully in house contract jobs as well as support studio work. They have over 4000 employees, that should speak to how much they work on.

>>715751185
anyone? i'm really confused

>>715729020
>try to rehire the employees you laid off a year later when you have a new game in the works
>they are all employed elsewhere now
>you now have to hire unknown new hires who have no experience with your company or game engine

Genius business plan. Let's see how it plays out, cotton.