Thread 715739971

Why is Valve the only major gaming company that thinks you should actually own your games?

Valve bent the knee to payment processors.

>>715740094
Nope, Valve didn't speak out against SKG.

what is that skgc wants? what bill are they trying to get passed?

>>715739971 (OP)
>does nothing
>wins

>>715739971 (OP)
Why would Valve care? They don't even make games.

>>715739971 (OP)
Steam already said you don't own games, it's merely a license.

>>715739971 (OP)
Because less game delistings=more free money for them. Thats it.

>>715740094
>do this or you can no longer run your business
No wonder he complied

>>715739971 (OP)
isn't steam known for that you don't own the games on their platform?

>>715739971 (OP)
They are on the list through a proxy, their German subdivision is partnered with 'game' which is on the list. Valve just knows how to read the room better and won't publicly place themselves on the loosing side

>>715740658
Every platform is known for that. Yes, on GOG, you can download a game and keep it on your HDD and play forever.
You still buy only the licence though. They can take it away and you won't be able to download any more.

>>715739971 (OP)
A: they sell licenses
B: they dont make games (no VR tech demos dont count)

>owning games.
>In checkout it clearly says you are owning a license to the games.
???

>>715740658
Steam is entirely digital so you own the games forever and can play them no matter what upgrades you do.

Meanwhile, people who bought Nintendo 64 games in 1998 are SOL once they replaced it with a Gamecube or later.

>>715739971 (OP)
Also Capcom, strangely enough.

>>715740968
>>715741087
Uh, Steam games are like the most "ownership" of something you can have. They can't be stolen, they never rot, and are compatible across platform updates, and they work on multiple platforms instead of just one.

>>715741381
>Steam games are like the most "ownership" of something you ca-ACK

Valve isn't really a "major gaming company". They're a digital storefront. Are there any Valve games that aren't available anyway? even Dota has a failsafe in case they decide to pull the servers

>>715739971 (OP)
they dont think that

>>715739971 (OP)
>Valve
>own games
>>715741161
>Steam is entirely digital so you own nothing
Fixed

>>715741447
>words on a contract
You know Disney tried to say they weren't responsible for killing someone in their park because of words in their TOS, and the courts found that completely bullshit, right?

>>715741597
OK, tell me how you can play your 1998 purchases of Nintendo games on the newer consoles. Without having to rebuy them as if you never owned them.

>>715741704
You realise a million more valid instances of contract disputes were held up by valid and ethical contracts, right?

>>715741778
>OK, tell me how you can play your 1998 purchases of Nintendo games on the newer consoles.
No thanks. That's a non sequitur response.

>>715741812
Reality > words on contact

Fact is, I can install and play games I purchased 20+ years ago right now on my PC I built this year. What console released in the last 5 years allows you to play your physical games you purchased 20 years ago?

>>715741985
That's not the same. Consoles are for people with money while PC are for poors

>>715741883
How is being able to continue playing games 20 years after you bought them a non sequitur? It's the whole point of ownership.

>>715741447
Woah just like region locked consoles, tvs and game discs!

>>715741985
Reality can equal words on a contract. Doesn't matter if sometimes they don't.

>>715741597
I bought HL2 in 2004 or 2005, whenever it came out. I still have access to it. It's been 20 years. There is no sign of stopping, no even slight indication. You are a brown person from the third world. I disgust myself for having deigned to speak at you. You deserve your position in life. Begone, vermin.

>>715739971 (OP)
Is this the Steam damage control thread?

>>715742054
Because being able to play a game =/= owning a game. Hope this helps.

>>715742115
See >>715742198

>>715742106
So license = pay once and play the game for the rest of your life, on any future devices
and
ownership = pay and have to keep repaying if you upgrade your device or if the physical copy is damaged, lost, or stolen

Is that what you're saying?

>>715742168
Yeeeup

>>715742198
It's an acceptable compromise

>>715742324
Yup ownership of physical media has some benefits and some flaws same with digital licenses. Glad you learned something today.

If Steam ever shuts down, will you still be able to play the games you bought from it?

>>715739971 (OP)
That's because Valve are no longer a gaming company, they are a distribution company

>>715739971 (OP)
Because you already don't own your games. If steam goes poof now it comes with every game you don't currently have installed.

>>715739971 (OP)
If so why don't you own your game on steam?

>>715742585
This is the same argument my mom would always tell me.
>if all the computers stopped working, you won't be able to function in life!

>>715742457
Not for me.

>>715742585
Yes, (((Goldberg))) saves the day with one simple trick.

>>715742717
What's the alternative?

>>715740623
>Oh no it's no like Steam offers 6 other payment options besides Visa and Mastercard

You do not own anything on Steam, never have and never will. “Lord GabeN”’s entire reputation is a publicity stunt. He killed physical media for PC so that he can get 30% of every sale. This is how he’s a billionaire. And (You) fell for it. SKG wouldn’t be necessary without “Lord Gay Ben”.

>>715742585
Yes. You can't lose digital games. This is because you don't own anything you can lose. They're functionally identical to pirated copies. You bought a worthless item.

>>715742790
>90% uses visa or mastercard
>just remove it bro

>>715742839
So you're saying that we need legal protection.

>>715742785
Physical ownership or a combination of both.

>>715742830
>boots up game I purchased in 1998 on Steam

>>715739971 (OP)
Since when did you own your steam games?

>>715742964
No.

>>715742973
How is that any different from just having the files on your PC?

>>715741597
Pirated games are digital and you own them.

>>715742868
If you want it then you find the means to get it

>>715743057
Then you're arguing for "own nothing and be happy". I find that position disagreeable.

>>715742987
Nobody said you couldn't little vegan bro

>>715741778
>how you can play your 1998 purchases of Nintendo games
>Have n64 game
>Put it into my n64
>But I said the new consoles reeee
Shouldnt have sold your n64.

>>715739971 (OP)
Because they're too busy sucking Visa's and Mastercard's dicks.

>>715742790
I heard the ida that steam should just charge to the steam wallet and then make adult go through it
visa/mastercard are not directly paying for the game just steam which then allocates the funds internally

>>715743153
Convenience dictates most of commerce.

>>715743086
You'll have to do your own research.
>>715743167
I don't.

>>715740094
Can't I like, just buy Steam gift cards to get the gooner games without the jews finding out

>>715739971 (OP)
They don't. They're one of the most anti-consumer vidya companies, they're just smart enough to realize they gain nothing from openly opposing it, except drawing attention to the fact that they've been selling people "licenses" for years, and forced them into signing a new unfavorable license by holding their bought games hostage.

>>715743169
Why don't you do the same with your physical only games provided by Nintendo?

>>715743269
concession accepted

>>715743318
Because one of the cons of physical media is they're designed to be played on specific hardware. One of the benefits is you own it.

>>715743318
Nta and not a nintendo game but I played silent hill 3 last week, on my ps2

>>715743212
>>715743496
>N64
>ps2
They cost $100. You have to pay $100 to continue playing your game.

>>715743361
Take 40 concessions and hand them out as christmas gifts this upcoming season. I have more if you need. Physical concessions of course, so you own them.

>>715743220
So it's all a nothing burger
>>715743262
Our needs dictates them even more

>>715743480
You know that I can just take the game files and put them on a CD right?

>>715743567
>They cost $100. You have to pay $100 to continue playing your game.
Looks like they play just on what I already own, no extra charge.

>>715743574
>>715743626

>>715743626
Yup!

>>715743697
Sorry champ, deal is done. You got your concessions. No more replies.

>>715743669
Why would you keep your old console when upgrading? You can't play two at once, and that's hundreds of dollars of money you can resell it for.

>>715743809
aight

>>715743828
See >>715743480

>>715743609
Well if they actually implement it that way they could go around the payment processors

>>715739971 (OP)
valve is still fleecing you but at least they're honest about it, and they realize that being extremely generous with refunds is a small price to pay if it keeps people from wising up and leaving the platform / demanding that licenses be transferable out of steam to be resold kinda like crypto (this could easily be done if there was a mandate from consumers)

>>715743934
Doesn't sound like ownership if you have less freedom.

>>715746210
Sounds like ownership to me

>>715743262
True.
Gabe: Ultimately piracy is a service problem

>>715743273
You could if they weren't removing them.

Valve are known scammers who commit false advertising and fraud.

Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.

>>715748761
I love this pasta

>>715740623
Visa and mastercard would never block steam as a whole, they get too much money from it