>Never once dumbed down the combat to appeal to casuals

Yeah they dumbed down the level design instead.

>>715746029 (OP)
it's already dumbed down

>>715746074
this, and it's tragic really since I love from's games. reminds me of blizzard where the studio simps will defend them from any criticism and let them pump out shittier product withotu repercussions.

>>715746029 (OP)
TBF, it'd be hard to dumb down the combat anymore than it is

>>715746029 (OP)
There's nothing to dumb down? Pressing R1 and rolling is 2 buttons. Do you want them to be in 1 fucking macro or something???

>>715746029 (OP)
It's called "Ashes of War" and it's okay for heckin' valid transexuals to use them!

>>715746029 (OP)

>>715746029 (OP)
>Never once dumbed down the combat to appeal to casuals
>>715746029 (OP)
>Never once dumbed down the combat to appeal to casuals
>>715746029 (OP)
>Never once dumbed down the combat to appeal to casuals

Bloodborne.
The rallying mechanic means you literally just R1 out of hitstun to win.

>>715746924
Blood Born
more like Brain Dead

>>715746029 (OP)
Capcom can’t say that about monhan

>>715746029 (OP)
3 felt pretty dumbed down. Just spam r1 and dodge to win

>>715746029 (OP)
Nothing to dumb down. It's already basic as shit.

>>715746074
/thread

>>715747163
>combat goes from avoiding collision hit boxes when the monster takes an hour to turn around in fu to actual gameplay and now right back into brainless territory with wilds

>>715746029 (OP)
Can’t dumb it down any further than Circle and R1. What a stupid faggot thread, of course made by a Fromdrone.

>>715746029 (OP)
Dumb it down how? There are no real combos or interactions with enemies and everything is built around iframe roll and basic R1 punish.

>>715746029 (OP)
they have, multiple times for each game. name one of their recent games and ill tell you how. other than dark souls 3, i havent really played 3.

>>715746029 (OP)

>dumb down
>only necessary buttons are move, roll, and light attack
just play monhun

>>715746074
>>715746214
>>715747224
Is this where we pretend that shit like Valley of the Drakes and Catacombs was good?

Fromsoft almost always dumbs down their games after release.
Dark souls 1
>reduced enemy armor in early levels
>reduced giant pot thrower speed and accuracy
Dark souls 2
>reduced certain ranged enemies effective range
Elden ring
>sped up colossal weapon animations to make them less punishing to use, also nerfed certain things about them to make the new versions more balanced, basically made then glorified great weapons
>did a global nerf for enemy ranged enemies AI to make them easier
>slowed down enemy attacks that are triggered by a player using a flask to heal to the point the player no longer needs to think about when they heal
>gutted enemy AI in multi enemy fights, drastically ruined certain bosses AI by putting limits to how agressive they could be
Armored core 6
>drastically reduced enemy accuracy to make it easier
>changed armor values of some enemies
>>>715747738
valley of drakes is a hallway connecting two zones. If you are using it as an example of bad game design you are retarded, probably terminally autistic. if you knock catacombs you have bad taste.

>>715747615
Considering monhun has actual depth it's not even comparable

>>715748124
Catacombs, Valley, Crystal Caves, Demon Ruins, Great Hollow, Ash Lake, lost Izalith, etc, all shit. You are literally a retard that started playing in like 2017

>>715747738
they will never again make shit like this because dark souls being actually dark is too hard
even people who buy ds1 today will never see this because the remaster brightened tomb of the giants

>>715748435
i waited outside the store before it opened to buy dark souls 1 on release. You are a shitter and a retarded tourist. Catacombs is fine.

ITT:

>>715746029 (OP)
Explain to me how you could dumb this down even further?

>>715748560
I look like this and say this

>>715748560
That fat fuck has a point

>>715748646
by removing options to play in other ways

>>715746029 (OP)
Instead they completely neutered invasions to the point that they're completely opt-in if you're solo.
>But in Dark Souls you have to unhollow--
Not the same since unhollowing yourself has other purposes like kindling and throwing yourself off a cliff after doing so is wasteful.

>>715746029 (OP)
>demon's souls
>headbutt kino, choices matter, no unlimited resources
>"AIEEEEE WORLD TENDENCY IT 'S TOOO HARD PLEASE MAKE IT LESS CRYPTIC"

>dark souls 1
>remove world tendency (i.e. the coolest shit)
>unlimited healing
>buff defenses, nerf status ailments, make it open world
>"AIIIIIE FROMSLOP IS TOOO HECKING HAAAAARD"

>dark souls 2
>unlimited healing, unlimited consumables
>fast travel from the beginning of the game
>buff the damage numbers so you can regularly deal four digit damage (beginning of the end)
>"AIEEEEEE I CANNOT DEFEAT PURSUER IT'S. TOOOOooooooo~ Haaaarrrrrd!"

>bloodborne
>literally add legit firearms and actual guns that three shot bosses
>"I'M GONNA SAY IT"

>dark souls 3
>buff stamina to the point it doesn't make sense why it's still in the game
>get off like 20 rolls before stamina reappears
>steal the skill system from dragon's dogma, but don't even implement it properly
>wala everyone has literally edgy anime attacks
>"2hard4me fromslopppp.....fromsloppa..."

>sekiro
>just delete defense and stamina entirely
>block *everything* with parry
>"this is the hardest game evar are you even fixing it???"

>elden ring
>just port stuff you vaguely remember from skyrim and dragon's dogma
>don't even bother balancing anything, just delete 90% of the content from the overworld
>give the player ~3,400 hp, and a mimic tear that has 10k hp and retarded instant healing items
>can't even fart without chunking even DLC endgame bosses.
>"Never once dumbed down the combat to appeal to casuals"

>>715746029 (OP)
>listens to no-lifes and get into a difficulty arms race that pushes out the original fans

>>715746429
based

>>715746074
I stopped playing Elden Ring partly because I got so tired of the open world after a while.

>>715748646
>if you fully max out a stat you can have fun
>that's a bad thing
explain this to me

DSII is the only time they went to actual arcade game design. People don't like it because it's actually a hard game

>>715752393
it really just became a meme because of the roll frames

>>715748560
he's right you know

>>715752467
ADP is a cool skill. People decide to make an interesting skilled tied to the game and it's hated? It's bullshit. Why should every build have the capability of perfectly dodging attacks? It's a well done integration of the minimal roleplaying in an ARPG. It also helps that DSII armor actually makes a noticable difference in the Souls games. Oh no, I can't play the game as a boss rush because enemies actually are capable of killing me and attacking me all at once? Bad game. People are so dumb

What is there to dumb down in shitty braindead combat?

>>715752654
it's simply less fun. you can try to rationalize it all you want, but the game would not be worse if adp did something else and the rollframes were at whatever value is the one people liked.

>>715746074
Fact

Play an actual action game.

>>715752832
>less fun
Just make a build around dodging. There are dozens of viable builds to get you through the game without rolling, and those builds are a lot more powerful. If you want to dodge then make a build around dodging. Would you complain about not being able to boost around in AC withoutthe right parts installed? ADP was done in an abstract way and is easy to see it being a fault when you only rely on seeing it for being a 'rolling skill' It's a fine skill and was an attempt at pushing creativity in a dead genre

Everything fell apart after the second half of the first game and Fromsoft never recovered since they rushed everything without thought.

>>715753062
>when you only rely on seeing it for being a 'rolling skill'
Not him but isn't that literally all it was?

>>715746029 (OP)
They nerfed bosses to appeal to shitters

>>715746029 (OP)
>>715748124
Reminder

>>715746029 (OP)
>dumbed down
how do you even dumb down that

>>715753253
Why are you writing like this? You're literally not contributing to anything. You expect me to spend the time to extrapolate on something over text and spoonfed as if I am being paid to write? That's what it is at its most basic explanation.

>>715752654
>a stat tied to number of iframes is an interesting mechanic
Tanimurafags are mentally ill.

Is it me or are OPs starting to sound like inflammatory rage baiting tranny points?

>>715746429
Tiche is WAY better than the mimic imo

>>715753460
>i can't see things in an abstract way tied to a roleplaying game
Sure, the problem isn't people like you

>>715749505
world tendency only mattered if you sucked at the game

>>715753609
>abstractions are how video games should work instead of mechanical interactions
Retards like you are the problem with game design.

>>715753456
Brother, all I did was ask a fucking question.

>>715753253
Nah adaptability made you do all general animations quicker along with increasing poison affinity. Also it upgraded your iframes for your back step.

>>715746074
the gameplay is literally the exact same but you can summon i guess

>>715753496
I'm 90% its the guy('s?) who has been making bait threads for ages now because he is just that mad that the Souls Series became Ultra Popular via minor gameplay improvements and minor experiments instead of having fuckhuge drastic shifts between games or artificially ending the series.
He has been doing this since at least ER won the Game of the Year Award and after reaching a fever pitch with SotE in which he was riding the wave of actual fans where also getting mad, has branched out the try and rile up everyone across the franchise.
You can tell because there will be atleast one inflammatory souls thread in the catalogue for most of the day with him becoming really active during the Euro hours.

>>715753761
the rpg part of action rpg is defined by abstraction

Everything else was dumbed down though, including the actual combat.

FromSoft needs to release another no combat game. Just throw everybody for a loop. Soulsboys couldn't cope.

>>715754423
the ps4 VR game no one played

>>715746029 (OP)
i mean.... isn't the sekiro's die twice/thrice mechanic a bit of a concession? the release valve for casuals in DS games is grinding/leveling up, for sekiro it's streamlining repeated attempts and second chances

>>715754423
>FromSoft needs to release another no combat game.
Yeah? It'd be a flop and you know it. FromSoft is only going to be churning out Souls games from now on because it's what their audience wants. Elden Ring and Nightreign solidified that.

>>715754083
Wrong. But I guess it's not surprising that a Fromdrone retarded enough to like Tanimura games doesn't know what an RPG is.

>>715747738
Catacombs are actually pretty good, tomb of the giants is shit however

>>715746029 (OP)
It's hard to get dumber than riding the shoulders and ignoring the fact that face buttons exist, so the bar was already buried 200 miles below sea level.

>>715749505
>Darksouls 1
>can't even fart without chunking even DLC endgame bosses.

>>715753535
For me its kristoff, durable as it gets and does good damage and stagger.

DS1 is more tedium than challenge

>>715749505
Demons Souls had more unlimited healing than DS2 you stupid fuck. And also fast travel from the beginning of the game.

>>715746029 (OP)
2 was the deepest and then they've dumbed it down since.

>>715747738
catacombs is awesome and the purpose of valley of the drakes is to glue 3 different areas together. one reason why dark souls 1 is constantly praised for its “interconnected world” is because of the direct result of valley of the drakes

>>715748124
It's crazy how the multi enemy AI nerf carried over to Nightreign
It's not just bosses btw, even trash mobs will wait their turn if you're fighting more than one