Thread 715750526

Why is it seen as worse than 1 and 2?

the only thing this game has over 1 and 2 is the overworld map.

>>715750526 (OP)
it has woman in it. its deislop and chudphobic. why replace donkey kong with a woman?

>>715750526 (OP)
The music is dogshit.

>>715750526 (OP)
Nobody liked Diddy Kong.

>>715750526 (OP)
no David Wise
Kiddy is worse than Diddy/Dixie
gimmick levels are too frequent

>>715750526 (OP)
Because it is. Levels are uninspired, gimmicky and the game lacks any decent platforming. The few novel mechanics like fatty retardy kong water bouncing gets almost no use. The structure is all kinds of retarded and was the worst of rare games that took over during the n64 years starting to creep in. It's also highly unpolished.

>>715750526 (OP)
It wasn't made by the original team

>>715750526 (OP)
Canada sucks and it has worse music.

>>715750526 (OP)
Retards who haven't played it and parrot youtubers.

>>715750762
>no David Wise
Instead it has Fischer, who made the other half of the DKC1 soundtrack.
And Wise did make the OST for the GBA version, and it's worse.

>>715751303
>other half
Yeah, the not so good half

>>715750526 (OP)
Because:
1. It was made by Rare's B team
2. Its unpolished and uninspired
3. Can't play as donkey kong OR diddy now
4. It released so late in the SNES's life cycle that most people who "played" it, did so at the snes kiosk and from that begining level were unimpressed.

I don't think I've ever even finished DKC 3 despite playing 1 and 2 more than once in my life. I think kiddy just has such a faggoty design that it offputs a lot of people

>>715751432
"Simian Segue"
"Candy's Love Song"
"Forest Frenzy"
"Treetop Rock"
"Northern Hemispheres"
"Ice Cave Chant"

Fuck off nigger

>>715750526 (OP)
Kiddy is ugly
Worse animal buddies
Overall worse aesthetic compared to 1 and 2
Bosses are mostly terrible
Waaaaay worse enemy design. Like this is probably the biggest thing for me. Look at this goofy looking dude, he looks like he belongs on a low budget childrens CGI cartoon.
Overall the tone feels more childish in general.

Kiddy Kong is what a DK character would look like if Nintendo designed it

>>715750762
Every DKC level has a gimmick. That's literally their schtick.

>>715750526 (OP)
It's not so much that 3 is awful, it's more that 1 and 2 were just too iconic and made by a team at their peak. Most of Rare's 16-bit era development time went into them, whereas 3 was concurrent with N64 development.

DK Canada is a odd place to jump to
Music got nerfed massively
Kiddy is horrible
Ellie replacing rambi was one of the dumbest decisions ever made
Kremling and other enemy designs took a noticeable hit
sorta puzzle heavy
constant gimmicks and minigames

>>715751961
>the gimmick was having gimmicks
don't hurt yourself, buddy

>>715751902
>Bosses are mostly terrible
Ah yes, truly a blight coming from the masterful bosses of DKC1

>>715752116
Yeah but none of DKC1's bosses felt tedious.

>>715752086
I'm right

>>715752236
Neither do the DKC3 bosses if you know what you're doing

>>715752586
now be a 10 year old playing the game and tell me they're not tedious.

>>715751902
Kremling wise I think Kobbles and Koindozers are fine. The rest though feel like worse versions of dkc 1 and 2 enemies design wise. I'd say zingers took the hardest hit overall. God they're ugly af.

>>715750526 (OP)
>why is it seen as worse than 1 and 2
because it is worse than 1 and 2

>>715752753
The rats are much Better than the cutesy mouses of 2

>>715752747
What even is this reasoning?

>>715753032
the rats are fugly and the mechanic of scaring the shit elephant got annoying fast.

>>715751902
>he looks like he belongs on a low budget childrens CGI cartoon.

>>715753238
>the rats are fugly
As they should be
>and the mechanic of scaring the shit elephant got annoying fast.
It's literally only in one level

>>715751779
Yeah, the not so good half

>>715753304
technically 2 levels.

>>715753104
>why say the bosses are tedious? once you're over that tedious bump they're easy
What's even YOUR reasoning?
Your defense is basically just "already know how to beat the bosses"

>>715753458
The second time it's just a cutscene at the start of an autorunner

>>715750526 (OP)
Because they force you to dick around in the overworld doing trade quests. If they removed that and it just had a world map similar to the first two games, it would be amazing.

>>715750750
Diddy Kong was the best out of all 4 to play as.

>>715750526 (OP)
Donkey Kong Land III is actually a much better game imo

>>715753508
No, the defense is not sucking ass at the game. Should every game be braindead just for 10 year old you?

>>715750526 (OP)
Dkc2 just fucking slays, DKC is the OG. DK3 has some tard and his wrangler.

Bleak is peak

>>715750526 (OP)
>no Donkey or Diddy Kong
>Kiddie Kong sucks
>no memorable music
>bosses suck ass
>overall just looks worse
>all that on top of having to follow up two games considered to be some of the best on the platform

>>715752116
This beaver looking at the screen and laughing was kino

>>715750526 (OP)
I like it but the tone is off compared to 1 and 2. And a lot of the gimmicks are annoying instead of interesting. Too many autoscrollers, and absolutely dumb unfun one-off mechanics like reversed left/right controls in water. It does per-level gimmicks but unlike platform games that do this and work (like SMG2 or something), a lot of the times there’s not really an escalation or twist on the gimmick which is too shallow by itself.
I had 1 and 3 growing up but not 2, and having gone back to play all of them, 2’s clearly a better game.

>>715750526 (OP)
Cause the first two games start with atmospheric stages with music that gets out set for an epic adventure while this one starts with borderline clown music. Sure there are some good songs in the game but they start on the wrong foot.

It did have a very scary spider and the cranky king games were fun. Other than that...

>>715753741
What's smg2?

DKC2 felt outright magical. It is the absolute peak of aesthetics out of any Donkey Kong game in the series.

>>715753750
It's a more lighthearted adventure than 1 and 2. At the start you don't even know something happened to DK and Diddy, and Dixie is stuck babysitting her cousin. It's not a flaw, it's deliberate

even a "shit" DKC game is miles upon miles better than most of the garbage being released by big studios now

>>715750526 (OP)
Call it shallow but a Giant Baby stereotype has never been popular across human history. I really don't understand why Rareware made such a character. Maybe they were influenced by cartoons at the time like Rugrats but by sheer majority most of the time babies make for annoying characters. Look at how popular Baby Mario in Yoshi's Island is, oh right people hated the useless little shit and his annoying crying. Want another example anyone remember the LOUD crying baby from Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask I had to mute the game during that segment strictly because it was too annoying.

Kiddy Kong being a massive literal baby will always be a horrible idea. And his name is not flattering, kiddy? Blatantly makes something seem infantile. If Rareware was smart it would have been another Dixie and Diddy adventure. And if they really needed to get rid of Diddy then use Tiny Kong. A due of sisters would have been better received than a giant baby. Enough said.

>>715750526 (OP)
I dont really like DKC1, DKC2 offers better mobility.

>>715753815
This, this theme https://youtu.be/rMrqP0kmQe8?si=LgWugL9HSff5BvUx

was haunting

>>715753723
>no memorable music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qntu2QvHQRE

>>715754841
It's just a remix of the mines theme from DKC2.

>>715754841
speaking of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnqAR8JI2uk
the end of an era

>>715754841
>rock face rumble
>a worse version of mining melancholy

Dude you could have posted the water theme. that song is ls genuinely good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So8je58Y_Rg

Reminder that the GBA soundtrack sucks except for the for the Stilt Village theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGT0Z63By4s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cspSA7IQ9Jo&list=PL9B3BE932CA831E81&index=15

I tghink it would be nice to have patched snes version with the best snes tracks and the best gba tracks mixed
https://youtu.be/QQzGKUdNNQ4

>>715750526 (OP)
Baby Kong

>>715754841
>Wise didn't even bother composing anything new to replace it and just threw in Aquatic Ambiance from DKC1
He just didn't care.

>>715755423
Wise didn't even bother composing anything new to replace it and just threw in Aquatic Ambiance from DKC1
He just didn't care.

>>715755851
I don't know. In many cases, I don't think either one is clearly better than the other. They're just different
https://youtu.be/ZRe-VIQgGHY
https://youtu.be/OWmd5dGN5Ns

>>715750526 (OP)
Anyone that says it's "too gimmicky" is retarded, I'd argue DKC2 is just as if not more gimmicky than 3. That fucking balloon level in 2 is genuinely worse than any level in 3, even if 2 is still the better game overall.

>>715755851
The songs aren't bad but they don't fit DKC3 at all. The worst offender is Treetop Tumble in the sawmill level. The whole OST would work better for Retro's DKC.

>>715756194
GBA is just too schizophrenic

>terrifying blizzard/wind
>yodeling intensifies

>>715751902
>Bosses are mostly terrible
Of all the things you can lob at DKC3 to its detriment, this is not one of them. The bosses and the overworld's aesthetic are its two strongest points and people trying to downplay or pretend either are bad are tripping over themselves like retards trying to not give 3 any credit where it's actually due. 1 and 2's bosses are dogshit by comparison, k rool not withstanding who is the only boss that actually qualifies as tedious in the games.
3 had a lot of issues and it's the worst of the three but it's not a bad game and the bosses are one of the better points.

>>715752747
Nigger if you're 10 you'll think "holy shit cool giant barrel monster you need to feed bugs to make it burp itself to death! laser robot you need to climb on blades to hit! evil snowman that you have to beat in a snowball fight! underwater monster with missile squids! pouncing tree spider that you beat on the chin till it dies!" That shit is a massive step up from the previous games for a kid or an adult, mechanically and from creativity because half of DKC1's bosses are repeats of themselves and half of DKC2's bosses are repeats of themselves or rehashes of 1's bosses.

>>715750526 (OP)
this game is so insanely uncomfy

I've always felt that the game designers of DKC3 didn't have a very good eye for colour. Some levels just look very strange or even repulsive

>>715751902
>Waaaaay worse enemy design.
This is a bigger factor than people realize.
The Kremlings have much less personality in this game than the previous ones. They don't even wear any thematic costumes like the first two games.
They should have gone for the mad scientist theme like K. Rool himself, and all have some sort of mechanical upgrades.

>612
weakest bait ever

People like to shit on the music but all the songs are good. Stilt village is the only not donkey kong sounding song. If David Wise was listed in the credits nobody would have a problem with them

>>715757192
I thought they were more like genetic experiments.

>>715757192
They have no theme in the first game either. Except like two who have a random military thing going on.

>>715750612
retarded bait

>>715750605
Upgrading the boat in 3 is really cool, no doubt

>>715756860
>pouncing tree spider that you beat on the chin till it dies!
>oh I lost dixie
>wait why didn't that barrel hit
>why isn't the boss dying
>holy fuck kiddy why is your throw angle so hot garbage
>fuck I hate kiddy so much!
And thus a DKC3 hater is born.

>>715757332
This aesthetic can't be topped

I completed all of them recently and 3 is probably my favourite. 2 would've been it but it had too many shit levels

I felt like DKC1 had too many "off-screen thwomp" levels and the minecart levels kinda suck dick. Is it fair to rate it C tier?
>S tier - DKC2
>B tier - DKC3
>C tier - DKC1

>>715757332
weren't dkc1 basic kritters just naked crocks with kneepads slapped on?

>>715757909
>2 would've been it but it had too many shit levels
Like it's your opinion but I don't know how you can say this when 3's levels can become genuinely grating to play.

>Could have had Dixie team up with Donkey, maybe give him some new moves
>Instead we get huge retard mongoloid retard kong, a character so hated it has never been mentioned anywhere else ever again

>>715758489
>a character so hated it has never been mentioned anywhere else ever again
Chunky is mentioned in DK64's manual as being Kiddy's big brother. That was the last time Kiddy ever got acknowledged.

>>715758489
Chunky is Kiddy's older brother

>>715758020
fix'd
>S tier - DKC2
>A tier - DKC1
>B tier - DKC3

>>715750526 (OP)
Lots of levels built around shitty ideas, lack of worlds identity (eveything blends together), crappy artistic direction (oh the new enemies, kiddy, etc,), lacking OST (david wise the goat), changing direction taking twice as many frames as before when walking.

>>715750716
That's because the composer from DKC2 was too busy composing DK Land 2 when DKC3 was being made, so they had some no-name compose for it.
DKC3 sucks all-around but the OST is the worst offender.

>>715758679
I feel like there's platformers that are better than DKC1 and 3, but not quite S tier. For example, Wario Land 4.

Are we now pretending DKC3 had a bad soundtrack?

https://youtu.be/X7R81hx_Wus?si=rfdXdIeRD9LGtp51
https://youtu.be/fGT0Z63By4s?si=inyzW8bOkXq431pO
https://youtu.be/N3aTwCvbbaQ?si=IqkP5eFFKUB_z5zp

My main problem with DKC3 is that the Kremlings didn't have a visual theme that made them feel like they were part of the same group.

>>715758679
>>715758948
(WL4 in A tier, which would be a tier above DKC1 and 3, but not quite S tier like DKC2)

>>715758840
>so they had some no-name compose for it.
you mean the composer of DKC1?

>>715759167
the lesser composer of dkc1

>>715759040
It's not a bad soundtrack, it's just an inferior soundtrack

Lots of shit takes in this thread. Real DK fans know that 2 > 3 > 1. You can disregard the opinion of anyone who disagrees with this objective ranking.

>>715759040
The Tree levels and the regular boss themes were good, the rest sucked.

>>715759810
2 set the bar too high, and 3 failed to deliver. 1 is only worse because of the bonus stages are way too hidden and that they recicled some bosses.

>>715750526 (OP)
I rank it above 1 but below 2

>>715750526 (OP)
kiddie + leaf theming
what were they thinking

>>715759167
DKC1 and 2 composer: David Wise
DKL2 composers: David Wise and Grant Kirkhope
DKC3 composer: Eveline Fischer (literally who?)

>>715760678
DKC1 had 3 people on music IIRC, Wise, Fischer and Beanland. The only DKC2 that was solely Wise was DKC2.

>>715760678
Eveline Fischer made some pretty good songs for the first game, even if they didn't reach Wise's level

>>715759040
>bad
Not on par with Wise, FTFY

>>715757909
>2 would've been it but it had too many shit levels
>3 is probably my favourite
Does not add up.

>>715750526 (OP)
Nearly every level is gimmick shit

>>715760678
Fischer was composer for DKC1 as well, dumbass.

>>715750762
2 has just as many gimmick levels as 3 i don't get why the fuck people complain about that
2 > 3 > 1
always is and always will be, 1 is such a basic bitch game i don't know how you manage to get to world 4 without being bored as shit the entire time beforehand

>>715757413
He is better at throwing barrels into the first boss, thoughover

>>715750526 (OP)
The Mega Man X3 of Donkey Kongs.

Flat levels with nothing to do, it feels like an alpha build.

>>715750526 (OP)
I recently replayed it and it was as good as I remember it.
Nobody doubts DKC2 is the best and DKC1 is the OG, but DKC3 does not deserve the bad rep this board has for it. It's a sequel to the best platforming game of all time, it's hard to fill those shoes.

It might be the "worst of the 3" but even at its worse, it's still a 8.5/10.

>>715751902
the snowball fight was hard as balls for me at the time>>715756560
>>715750716
The one track I liked, for the snow level, got swapped for the GBA version. IDK.

>>715762178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGE25WL8CHk