Playing this for the first time after GW2, what am I in for?

>>715793946 (OP)

No more bing bing wahoo

a 2h wait since Anet servers are still capped at 500 kb/s

not pvp kino. you missed it.

>>715794258
>you missed it.

>>715794437
You did miss it tho. half the fun of guild wars was the pvp.

>>715793946 (OP)
The main appeal for it back in the day was that it was a free "higher quality" MMO compared to WoW.
It was decent, but it was all instanced content outside of cities.
Classes and abilities were fun but it didn't feel like a true world

>>715793946 (OP)
An MMO without any players.

>>715793946 (OP)
a good fuckin video game that isn't quite as fun as it was because it was fun to play with real people

There's a guild here >>>/vm/1854477

>>715793946 (OP)
kino

a weird single player RPG

>>715795093
It's hardly an MMO. It's the same as Diablo where only the hub area has other players.

>>715793946 (OP)
I strongly recommend making a character in Nightfall first unless you’re making an assassin or ritualist.
>Get Mox, a level 20 Dervish hero, right away making the first section of the game a breeze
>Get the other heroes much faster
>Additional 30 attribute points are much easier to get compared to the other campaigns
The game was fun back when people played it and you could get a group going in just about any mission zone, but it’s pretty dead now

>>715793946 (OP)
You'll realize very soon that you need friends.

>>715796412
This is shit advice for a new player.
OP, play in release order and you can minmax optimize if you feel like it when you know what you're doing.

ITT: People who don't know how to have fun by themselves.

>>715796752
getting a near-full suite heroes is MUCH more important for a new player at this stage in the game's life cycle than experiencing the story as intended. Henchmen can't really take you through missions.

>>715796752
Playing the game with henchmen sucks, especially the 6 man areas in Prophecies that really fucking drag.

>>715796952
Henchmen in Factions and Nightfall are way more than enough.
Only on Prophecies would you maybe have a bit of trouble, particularly in the later sections.

Not only will a new player have no skills for their heroes unlocked, they won't know how to effectively build for other professions besides their own (which itself they're still trying to learn), and having OP heroes makes all the content play itself with zero challenge.

>>715794016

What does this even mean

>>715797121
It’s extremely easy to build them and unlocking skills is account wide. I wouldn’t expect a new player to commit to a main class right away unless they’re smart enough to pick Paragon.
Even if you don’t have the proper gear for them, just having a 7 hero squad makes the game so much easier to get into

>>715797121
you're not going to have OP heroes that play the game for you if you don't have skills for them unlocked and don't know how to build their professions (and the "play itself" team needs three Mesmers, to my memory, which you straight up can't get until Nightfall's post-game or through coughing up real money for Mercenaries)

>>715796952
not that guy but
>get heroes
>heroes don't have any skills
>heroes don't have any elites
>ends up they're the same as henchies anyways (or occasionally worse)
also you need to be level 10 to get M.O.X., which is around the point where you get him in the other campaigns anyways

meanwhile prophecies spams you with free skills from quests

>>715797269
have you even played gw2

>>715797526

Reading can't be this hard

>>715797492
Clearing Maguuma Jungle with henchmen really sucks. You get access to class changing much quicker in NF and can use that to unlock skills for heroes. Also, getting those extra 30 skill points in proph takes way longer

>>715796412

>>715798080
Even if you want to minmax any fun out of the game, it's faster to start in Factions where you don't have to suck Kormir's cock for Sunspear good boy points.

>>715797492
you can't get MOX in Prophecies until you reach Lion's Arch, which is WAY after you can get him in Factions and especially Nightfall. And at which point you can just go to Nightfall to pick up the Nightfall heroes anyway.

>>715793946 (OP)
Witch hunter Robin looking gal.

>>715798190
building a team of customizable heroes with their own characters instead of trudging through Prophecies with blank slate henchmen isn't "minmaxing the fun out of the game." It is the fun.

>>715793946 (OP)
A better game.

>>715798190
You start getting the heroes much faster on NF’s noob island, and Mox makes that section of the game a breeze.
The difficulty jump from Shing Jea to mainland Cantha is ridiculous for new players.

>>715798080
Maguuma wasn't anything special. It's only in the desert and especially the southern shiverpeaks where the game starts kicking you in the balls.
I think the mobs were better balanced for a new player in Prophercies too where you didn't have debuffs/cleansing/interrupts going on in the background from the beginning which all got handled by your AI friends.

>>715798249
Reading comprehension anon. M.O.X. will refuse to join you until you're level 10. You'll reach Lion's Arch around level 10. It hardly fucking matters that he's standing around the first city in Nightfall.

>>715794727
I only did pvp for GWAMM

>>715793946 (OP)
a fuckin great jeremy soule intro theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XR3ckkbxzc

>>715798442
You really haven't played the game from level 1 in a long time if you think it's even close to the same time investment to get to level 10 in Nightfall as it is to get to Lion's Arch.

I played this when it was current but never got to the very end. I'd always get groups that would wipe in the areas where you first start running into Titans IIRC and I remember you had to be a twitch reflex interrupt god to deal with those caster motherfuckers.

>>715798442
The mission where you have to kill the demagogue and stop the white mantle from controlling all 3 teleporters is a fucking nightmare with level 15 or 16 henchmen.
Also, it’s bullshit to scour the map for a boss once you get to Crystal Desert and hope he spawned in so you can finally start getting elite skills compared to how Factions and NF do it

>>715793946 (OP)
Kino armour

WAAHHH I DONT WANT TO PLAY THE GAME

any private servers?

>>715798596
Nah I just haven't played Nightfall past level 4 and am assuming it follows the same flow. If you reach level 10 fast does it mean the campaign is just short as shit or you spend all of it at lvl 20?

>>715798767
The teleporter one can be shit depending how you go at it, but all I really had to do was ignore the enemies and keep capping the porters faster than them to clear it. Can't even remember the demagogue so it can't have been that hard.

I tried to play GW2 solo, and even just normal questing, I'll encounter scenarios where it sucks that you're doing it alone.

Did it get better for current GW2? is it the same in GW1?

>>715799010
It is a lot harder than you’re making it sound, especially for a new player. They’d have a much easier time using level 20 heroes with half decent builds that you can actually control
You can play the game in whatever order you like, I don’t know why you insist on choosing max difficulty. The only thing left to do in the game is Zaishen quests, and you’ll have a much better time doing the dungeon ones with heroes

>>715799186
Literally all you have to do to kill the Demagogue is keep killing the groups that come at you in manageable party sizes as they try to cap the shrines. Once they run out of people to cap the shrines the demagogue is left alone and no one is left contesting the shrines.

>>715799010
>I haven't played a huge chunk of the game but I'm going to speak as an authority on the "correct" way to engage with it
why even bother

>>715798180

Ai slop?

>>715799186
The thing is it's a nightmare to even engage the enemy team since the portal capper will keep running and ignore you anyways, so unless you have the damage to burst him in a few seconds (which will spawn a new group entirely despite the rest of the old group still being alive) you'll only be wasting your own time while the enemy team still caps. Heroes or Henchmen, you're still stuck with retards who only follow you and will unlikely do anything about the enemy capper if you plant them somewhere in the field, so unless you have a real live human bean helping you and harassing the enemy team while you cap, it's pointless to even engage with them alone.

>>715799435
It’s going to be a very slow process for a level 17-ish character using henchmen around the same level without even having access to elite skills yet
I don’t get why you want to die on this hill. Nightfall gives you the quality of life stuff that makes the game fun much faster

>>715799543
You can easily kill the enemy teams with a full group of level 20 heroes using good builds.

>>715799501
The arguments of the people pushing Nightfall don't make sense
Even if you get your extra skill points faster, you're still going to play the same in the hard parts of the game
Even if you can stomp on mobs early, what is the fun of killing stuff that can't fight back
Even if you get heroes faster, they won't do you shit when you lack the skills (i've literally benched heroes for henchmen since i couldn't beat a hard mode map with them)

Even the guy who was pushing for heroes quick admitted that he assumed the anon is going to play like 5 alts to 20 first. How is that fast and efficient?

>go from based Charr genocide simulator to uwu kitty dindu nuffin and all humans should die I'm trans btw simulator

>>715794727
PvP is for faggots in every game, no exceptions. Idk why you niggers can't just play an RPG properly.

>>715799004
Nigger it's b2p and the complete collection with every single expansion and some extras was like $5 2 months ago or something.

>>715800279
I wish you’d stop arguing in bad faith. This is just annoying and pathetic.
You get the bonus skill points in NF by doing the main quest on Noob Island. It’s impossible to miss. Prophecies characters don’t get that until after they’ve finished Crystal Desert, which takes way fucking longer, and you can absolutely miss this quest if you don’t know what you’re doing.
>Whats the fun in not dying?
Seriously, man. You just make yourself seem dumb asking shit like this.

>>715801123
Wow cool give me a time machine then

>>715800279
>I don't know what I'm talking about
>I'm bad at the game
>I'm just going to keep on pretending like I know anything about anything, though

>>715793946 (OP)
Ohhhh the chunkiness, but unironically.
Other than that, it's a cool mmorpg that focuses on horizontal progression in the form of acquiring skills and making your own builds to tackle different challenges.
It's pretty much a group-only game so you'll always be grouped up when progressing, but almost every piece of content was always designed for a solo player to be able to recruit prebuilt NPCs and beat the content with them.
If you make a character in Nightfall or when you eventually get there, you'll get advanced NPCs whose skills and gear you can customize, and whose positioning you can micromanage, and those will become the bread and butter of your groups for everything. Getting these advanced NPCs early is usually a good idea but not a requirement if you prefer going in blind and focusing on learning your profession first, instead of having to focus on 8 different builds all at once and metagaming it.

>>715801701
I actually have experience playing the game as a new player in the current year
Prophercies was the best experience starting out

I'd understand if the guy was doing HoM shit and just wanted to get it done ASAP without playing the game. Sure you could tell him to do Nightfall first and then just stomp the underleveled mobs in the other parts with his lvl 20 heroes instead of the map level henchmen, but I'm assuming anon is actually looking to enjoy the game, so telling him to go kill green/grey mobs is a stupid idea.
It's funny you're trying to call me bad at the game at the same time you're crying about Henge of Denravi and dying in fucking Maguuma.

>>715795484
>playing with anyone from /v/, /vm/, /vg/ etc
Do not do this

>>715802579
>it is physically impossible for more than one person to know more than me

>>715793946 (OP)
>Playing this for the first time after GW2
I just hope you're not doing it to redeem shit in GW2 because you'll want to kill yourself.

https://hom.guildwars2.com

>>715793946 (OP)
A way better game
But don't start wit the first expansion
It drags imo. Start with factions

>>715794258
This. You had to be there.

>>715797492
>meanwhile prophecies spams you with free skills from quests
Nightfall has an equivalent to that in the form of Hero Skill points, and it's far more useful because you can pick from a list of skills, including those for other classes.

>You will never experience GW1 HA at it's peak again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoWDWvD21Aw

>>715793946 (OP)
sex with elementalist girls in pre-searing ascalon

>>715808428
So I've read, but you only seem to get about as half as many. The good side is that you don't need to pick the shit ones though

>>715802579
>Playing through the game on normal mode is HoM shit
There’s not much else to do other than PvE. Getting started with gearing up heroes while you play through the game is much smarter. Not to mention, weapon drops in Prophecies annd Factions are total ass. Like, why the fuck does my celestial shield give +1 water magic?
You yourself admitted you haven’t played NF, but keep acting like some kind of authority. This is such a stupid hill to want to die on

>>715808761
For me it's being pegged by haughty mesmer girls

>>715808895
I think you get like 15 skills from quests in Prophecies, and 30~ hero skill points in Nightfall. Plus you can convert player skill points to hero skill points.

>>715809236
>15
it's closer to 70