30 years and still hasn't been topped

3D world is pretty fun though, probably the closest the series got to a 3D “Mario bros” mario

Most overrated 3D Mario game. The movement isn't very good and most of the levels are fucking awful. The power ups are also complete dogshit

>>715836035
They aren't power-ups, retard. They're just there to get certain stars and that's it.

>this is 10/10 level design according to boomers

>>715835886 (OP)
>30 years and still hasn't been topped
this is true if you in fact don't play video games.
and that is basically 80% of vee.

>>715836163
7/10. Then you add in the “secret” sunken city and it becomes 11/10

>>715836101
>they're not powerups, they are just powerups
Growing up with the N64 is a sign of mental illness. Are you stupid enough to actually pretend getting booted out of the level in a collectathon is good, and having to do the same repetitive tasks over and over again on boring and barren levels is fun too?

>>715835886 (OP)
Only Mario game I liked

>>715836035
>The movement isn't very good and most of the levels are fucking awful
it has literally the best movement and physics of any 3d mario. I love Galaxy but the movement there is super safe and boring

>>715836512
>Mario has completely broken momentum and controls like a boat
>best anything
3D World is the first good 3D Mario game.
>there is super safe and boring
The level design is also shit because it's a Cuckzumi game.

>>715835886 (OP)
It’s overrated. The only reason people defend it is because it came out in 1964.

>>715836414
one of those games has a lasting legacy despite it's "problems" and one is forgotten despite it's technical superiority.

>>715836675
>3D World
3/4 of the levels are nsmb tier generic slop.
>The level design is also shit because it's a Cuckzumi game.
Soulless take.

>>715836738
>one of those games has a lasting legacy
Are you actually acting like anyone but autistic retards care about speedrunners. Nobody cares about 64, everyone except the people who grew up with has moved on to better games.

Speedrunners made me despise sm64

>>715836959
it's not about speedruns, it just feels satisfying to play because the physics allows freedom

>>715836954
>a giant collection and celebration of Mario where every level has tons of variety is generic nsmb-tir
Okay.
>Soulless take.
You mean the correct one. Cuckzumi is an idiot who thinks SMB is an extremely difficult game and couldn't make it pass World 1-1. He's the worst director/designer at Nintendo and only allowing him to produce games instead of actually work on them was the best thing Nintendo did. But go ahead and tell me how obnoxious automation with the warp stars was supposed to be fun. He's wants to make movies and not games.

>>715837192
It's not satisfying to play at all. How the fuck is Mario turning like a boat supposed to be fun. Do you even realize Sunshine and Odyssey don't use 64's mechanics because they sucked ass compared to pretty much any other 3D platformer?

>>715836030
>>715836954
3D world is ruined by 8 way movement. Unless there's a mod that fixes that, I would say 64 and Odyssey are better.

>>715837236
>>a giant collection and celebration of Mario where every level has tons of variety is generic nsmb-tir
there are like 4 slighty variations of the same level for tons of them

>>715837595
Like?

>>715837757
see special worlds, i saw this level in like 3 different stages

>>715837352
when does he turn into a boat?

>>715837502
No it isn't. Mario controls perfectly in 3D World. 64 has terrible physics and the camera is utter dogshit.

>>715835886 (OP)
Pseudoregalia mogs.

>>715837991
what's the problem with that?

>>715838058
The terrible camera and physics. Look at how Mario turns. No other 3D platformer works like that, because it's fucking stupid.

>>715835886 (OP)
Crash 2-3, and Spyro 1-2 top it.

>>715835886 (OP)
I mean, Odyssey exists

>>715835886 (OP)
Honestly. I think sunshine is better. The turn radius in 64 fucking blows and the level design is pretty dated.
Also Spyro trilogy mogs the fuck out of Mario any day. Remake included

>>715837502
3D World isn't limited to 8 directions, no clue what you're talking about

>>715837948
That's not 3/4 of the levels. The post game is made up of harder remixed levels and new challenges. Mario has always been about building up on concepts they introduce early on.

>>715835886 (OP)
its top in being a technical 3d platformer where skill ceiling is very high and its also fun as a casual playthrough. but it is much less artful and fun than super mario sunshine

>>715837991
Casuals will never understand camera controls. Or reading, or pressing buttons.

>>715836163
Always find it weird how /v/ complains about modern Nintendo allowing you to "skip the content" when 64 is literally built around that concept with shit like this.

Movement alone makes it the best entry.

It's crazy anyone bitches about the camera. For its time and to this day it impresses me how it feels like the guy on the cloud really is following you the whole way and that there are two modes with uses in their own right. This and Zelda being the 1st nintendo entrees to their IP for 3D is amazing.

>>715839154
>that dogshit turn radius
You didn't even disprove the point. His physics is fucked and the camera is bad.

>>715838251
Sunshine is absolute dogshit, it's the worst one you no taste sack of shit.

>>715839294
Nintendo had the worst transition to 3D I have ever seen. Everything single game from Zelda to Metroid completely fucked up and ruined the core appeal of why oldfags liked the original 2D games in the first place. N64tendies aren't people, just corporate drones.

>>715839506
>lol guys im contrarian!! mario 64 revolutionized the industry? who cares lol

>>715839681
64 didn't revolutionize anything, otherwise every 3D platformer would be playing like it and not the better games that came afterwards. But yes, it was a step forward for 3D games despite being mediocre overall. I know you're a stupid N64tendie but get a grip already.

>>715839294
the camera is bad. I want full control and no collision. there's a reason every romhack uses the improved camera with these features along with a center button and small adjustments
>>715839372
the turn radius is only like that if you handle the stick like a mong. gently move it for an instant turn

>>715835886 (OP)
How did they get the movement so right their first go? It blows my mind. There are games coming out today that still don't feel half as good to control.

>>715839908
They didn't. Not a single 3D platformer plays like 64. Because even Nintendo realized they messed up and went back to the drawing board.

these threads are always funny to read

>>715839873
>otherwise every 3D platformer would be playing like it
They are though. 3D games in general changed their controls and camera after Mario 64.
>>715839990
>Not a single 3D platformer plays like 64
Incorrect.

>>715839908
it was the top priorty. before any levels they spent a long time transferring dk 94 moves into 3d with the goal of making it fun to chase the rabbit around an empty room
there's also a cute anecdote about miyamoto acting out all of the acrobatics

>>715840024
>They are though.
Go ahead and explain why Sunshine and Odyssey don't control like 64 at all then.

>>715840081
They do.

>>715840110
They literally don't. They control like Spyro does retard.

>>715840171
Spyro is like Mario 64 but casualized and simplified. The game was literally made to compete with SM64 according to the developers.

>>715840210
>Spyro is like Mario 64
Yup, it's a retarded N64tendie.

>>715840280
It's literally one of countless SM64 clones that followed in its wake, again the developers have stated this themselves.

>>715835886 (OP)
>DOOD I heckin' love jumping around like a fag doing gay easter egg hunts in empty, boring ass playgrounds with an absolutely dogshit camera, and then having to retread each level 7 times because it keeps kicking me out!!!

Fuck off, retard. 64 is good as a tech demo, absolute dogshit trash as a game.

>>715835886 (OP)
best game of the era(tied with OOT), amazing controls

>>715840338
>it's a clone
>despite having literally different controls and physics
Tendies are on another level of stupid, I swear. You deserved to be bullied.

>>715835886 (OP)
Pretty much every single N64 game is God tier

Mario 64
OOT
Majoras Mask
Star Fox 64
GoldenEye
Conkurs Bad Fur Day
Banjo Kazooie
Diddy Kong Racing
Mario Party 1 - 3
Pokemon Stadium 1 - 2

It was the perfect console.

>>715840658
>something can only be a clone if it has 1:1 controls and physics
Visibly low IQ.

>>715839294
Level design, hazard design, enemy design, boss design, camera, atmosphere, artstyle are all dogshit in 64. Those are all far more important than movement. Not to mention it's padded as shit, forcing you to beat each level 7 times because it keeps booting you out.

The movement doesn't even really work with actual levels, because they are no longer designed with a specific moveset in mind; there is no 'flow' to the levels as a result, just a set of disjointed jumps, which is why it allows you to just skip over huge parts of the level. And the awkward dial-a-combos and jumping three times before you get a high jump is just extra abstraction bullshit that further separates you from the game.

You can't just slap 2D Mario's momentum and physics into a 3D game with no care how it actually functions. 2D Mario's momentum and physics work in that 2D environment where you always have a perfect view and perspective of the action; it's significantly worse in a 3D environment where you are constantly fighting the camera and there are fundamental limitations to perspective and depth perception

>>715839873
Before the N64 there weren't any truly 3d platformers, because the real challenge was figuring out how to follow a 3d character with the camera, even crash is way closer to a 2d platformer than a 3d one, fixed camera, linear levels. not only did mario 64 manage to actually be something new, but it also succeeded in doing that without ruining the core of 2d platforming, which is insanely hard, since a lot of ips get ruined or lose their identity when transitioning to 3D.
>I know you're a stupid N64tendie but get a grip already.
im a jrpg storyfag who likes PS1.

>>715840810
N64fags can't possibly be this fucking stupid. They just can't be.

>dial a combo jumping
oh its that sperg

And it never will be

>>715839908
they spent half their time working on movement

>>715841039
aaand he posted his pasta on /vr/
wouldn't recommend searching the archive to see his dedication

>>715841354
>dropped the movement for the very next game they make
Clearly they shouldn't have rushed Mario 64 out the door for launch and spent more time on it.

>>715841485
its always /vr/ spergs the ones obsessed with hating anything about the n64 like it raped their mom or something

>>715836035
>The movement isn't very good
if your gonna troll, make it believable

>>715841354
It should be obvious to anyone who played the game, but retards are blinded purely by some gay speedtrooning tech and don't care about literally any other element of a platformer.

>>715841585
If you want to troll, just pretend 64 is a good 3D Mario game.

>>715835886 (OP)
super mario 63 was better

>>715836414
spyro was always mid slop for poor playstation kiddies

>>715841651
>just pretend 64 is a good 3D Mario game.
it's the only good 3d mario game

>>715841676
Based flash game enjoyer.

>>715836035
>The power ups are also complete dogshit
I hate the idea that Mario 64 or any 3d mario is bad because they don't translate 2d mechanics. Mario 64 has situation powerups because it doesn't need power ups nor would it service the game in any way besides being a novelty. Which is why it is in this game.
>>715841020
Is this a known schizo? I keep seeing a fag go into every nintendo thread and cry about NINTENDIEES NOOOOOOOOO

>>715841751
Least retarded N64tendie.

>>715835886 (OP)
It's truly bizarre, you'd think every game would improve upon the last one or at least be as good as it.

>>715842018
Galaxy wishes it had this kind of freedom

>>715841751
>the game where Miyamoto admits all of the levels and game mechanics were thrown together last minute is the only good 3d Mario game
>level design, hazard design, enemy design, boss design, camera, atmosphere, artstyle don't matter
>being forced to replay each stage 7 times doesn't matter
>all that matters is I can do a little gay triple jump after timing 3 jumps in a row
absolute fucking retarded subhuman.

>>715842189
Mario 64 is kino in all these aspects.

>>715842018
Nice game bro. Nintendo totally didn't rush this shit out the door for launch lmao.

>>715842232
>le kino!!!
>le kino!!!!
brown underage third world retard

>>715842246
Skill issue.

>>715841923
>you don't understand, the power-ups are supposed to be shit
wow

>>715841923
There's was a guy that was seething about Mario 64 doing daily threads about how bad it is or by comparing it to Crash 1, he was also super easy to identity because he would always post his pasta that had "dial a combo' platforming and would call anyone disagreeing with him a tendie (also would overuse the word "dogshit").
This other Spyrofaggot I have seen him in other threads always with obnoxiously verbose texts about Nintendo games (specially N64 ones) being bad and always complaining about "muh tendies dont play real games".

How are you supposed to design levels that flow and match player movement when you have 10 different types of jump, analog adjustment, and momentum?

It's just a shitshow, no wonder the levels are super barebones and speedrunning just involves skipping the entire level

>>715842408
>(specially N64 ones) being bad and always complaining about "muh tendies dont play real games".
He's correct.

>>715842607
Why are you agreeing with yourself

>>715842664
I'm not. Nintendo has been better than ever since they stopped catering to retarded N64fags.

>>715842314
Fire flower or any other direct powerup wouldn't make the game better. At least the wing cap was cute
>>715842408
Sad to see consolewar shit actually rot peoples brains. Spyro/Crash/Mario aren't in any way competing anymore, the people that like one probably like the other two.

>>715842729
I dub thee N64schizo

>>715842729
I get the N64 raped your mom in the ass, no need to cry about it on 4chan.

>>715842570
that freedom to find different ways to approach geometry is the entire appeal to me. you have a huge toolbox of movement and every platforming challenge is you finding the right tool for the job and executing it correctly

>>715842740
Yeah I actually like those three games but faggots like that guy just make me like Crash (or PS1 games in general) less.

>>715842878
No, but the Nintendo being more popular, successful, and better designed than ever before the moment they stopped catering to retards who grew up with a console that had no games definitely raped yours.

>>715842932
You are a highly autistic loser, got it.

>>715842740
>Fire flower or any other direct powerup
Or just make good power-ups and not bland and boring ones?

>>715843128
no shit I play mario 64 30 years after release

>>715842932
see >>>/vr/11879707
Can't even make this shit up.

Mind-raping 64tards before they even post

>>715842729
Except Mario Shitshine

>>715843029
Damn dude the N64 must have savaged your mom's asshole that you're still seething about it after all these years.

>>715843298
That's a Cuckzumi game. Of course it's bad.

>>715843240
oh nice people are calling you retarded in multiple threads
looks like your issue is just people playing the game wrong

>>715843430
I'm sure if you scream louder it will make the N64 get one game to play.

>>715843579
Pretty sure I got a good amount of games on my N64 between the ones I had as a kid and my flashcart, I don't need to scream like your mom did while she was getting assraped by the N64 enough to traumatise you and whine about it on the internet.

>>715843240
>platforming good in platformer??
yeah it's all it takes, remember it

>>715839372
>that slide to a stop into a cartwheel flip
yup it's awesome

>>715836030
Nah its shit.

>>715835886 (OP)
>great gameplay, dogshit contents
Nintendo in a nutshell ever since Yoshi's Island.

>>715838279
He might be thinking of 3D Land on the 3DS

>>715838279
Yes it is, you haven't played 3D World.
>switch version
You haven't played 3D World.

>>715845703
The Switch version has 8 way movement in 3D World but it is disabled in Bowser's Fury

>bitching about the sm64 camera
>in 2015 + 10
Camera control is a skill and if you have an issue with it you have a skill issue

>>715845703
on the Wii U where I rightfully played it, it does not have 8 movement

>>715846962
it's because they play it through emulators on computer keyboards which the controls were not designed for

>>715842189
>Miyamoto admits all of the levels and game mechanics were thrown together last minute
maybe they should keep doing that then, since nobody has been able to surpass thrown together levels with all their "level design" brilliance

>>715847271
I see that a lot. People that play like ass because they're either playing with a keyboard or they forgot to set their analog stick to analog input in the emulator.

I find this game very unnerving. It's so empty and desolate. I kind of like that about it, though.

>>715846962
>>715847271
>>715847454
my brother was whining about it in '96 and he still whines about it to this day, never even played sunshine or galaxy because they're 3d, but he plays every single 2d mario

The camera in SM64 was never particularly good, but I only think of one area where I had a problem, in Wet Dry World on the catwalk.

>>715847776
so tru sis https://youtu.be/qNYYe0--q94

Hope you don't find an invisible wall in your path
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvpUvMHJ6TY

>>715847961
>foid voice
Instantly closed the video.

>>715848093
SOVL

>>715836163
One of the first truly great 3D games to ever come out. Probably the first ever truly great 3D platformer. I can't remember if there was really any good ones before this. Even to this day it excels. So the game was great no matter what you guys think.

>>715847776
How can you find the game unnerving when the music is so jovial?

>>715848273
Not all of it is jovial. Jolly Roger Bay, Big Boo's Haunt, Dire Dire Docks, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7RY6Bkrr6w
name another modern game that can take you back to the past

>>715848093
The only invisible wall I've ever died to was the log one over TTM, I think it's one of the easiest ones to bump into

>>715835886 (OP)
That's because the entire video game industry and all of Western civilization peaked with the release of Mario 64

Have you noticed that Mario 64 fans can only praise the game by making blanket statements like OP or posting endless speedruns webms that a casual player would never be able to perform? I'm all for calling SM64 a great game, but its biggest flaw is that most of its mechanics are only in service of letting you skip content. The movement is killer, but mastering it just means you play less of the game. It would make sense in something like Sonic or even Crash, where time attack is built into the experience. But Mario is supposed to be about exploring levels and never knowing what to expect. The cape in SMW was bad, but a hefty amount of stages were so boxed in you couldn't take advantage of how OP it was. Meanwhile in SM64 you can just break everything and parkour all over the fucking place, negating any challenge and turning it purely into a matter of executing the correct inputs. I'm not saying this is a bad thing per se, but when every third romhack for SM64 is just extreme precision jumps in black voids, well...

>>715836414
right looks too disneyish for my tastes

>>715836414
Spyro looks more consistent and polished visually but ultimately the game is just not as fun to play
Mario 64's movement is simply on another level

Did mario games lose their soul when koizumi stopped inserting masonic symbols into them?

Sunshine and Odyssey are both better. I'd bet Galaxy and Galaxy 2 are as well but I haven't played them

>>715836512
>>715841585
>>715839908
>>715839294
It's got the worst movement, Mario is just not responsive: Going from a stop to a full run takes ages, as does trying to turn directions while running at high speed. His jump is also off. It feels like you're dragging Mario around more then actually controlling him. Plus he'll start walking in directions instead of just turning around half the time

Sunshine was a giant improvement, and is way more responsive with near instant acceleration and turning without being overly sensitive. Then they stupidly walked it back, with Odyssey for example being in between the two

>>715839401
It's got better movement, as explained above, and it's level design takes much more advantage of actually being open 3d sandboxes: All of 64's levels are either overtly linear (like Tiktok clock), or still have almost all their meaningful platform and content along linear routes. Sunshine doesn't do this and spreads platforming geometry and shit to do across the whole 3d space

Bomb-omb battlefield and Bianco hills are a perfect illustration of this: Both are the first levels, both have a winding path through the stage that then spirals up vertical structure. But wheras Bomb-omb battlefield has basically nothing but wandering enemies and empty space outside of it's main path, Bianco has a whole village you can platform up and off of, connected by ropes and poles to a park walkwayu with similarly vertical and platforming enabling trees, and to further poles and ropes all over a lake, etc. You can go from one end of the level to the other all without touching the ground just via smart platforming.

>>715850069
>posting endless speedruns webms that a casual player would never be able to perform? I'm all for calling SM64 a great game, but its biggest flaw is that most of its mechanics are only in service of letting you skip content. The movement is killer, but mastering it just means you play less of the game.
speak for yourself, i used to join sm64 70 star races on srl all the time in 2010/2011 and my route was just my favorite 70 stars and i'd ad-lib the route every single time just doing it as fun as possible, i even won a race once
the people that actually learn optimal strats are unhinged, but learning how to play the game really well and just making it your playground is great

>>715849612
Bro stop with the rose glasses people were still oppressing gays back then they couldn't even get married and we STILL only had crusty old white dudes running the show Obama was decades away. There wasn't even cheap stuff to buy from China so only rich people could enjoy shit. Even the internet was walled off from most of us. Those were bad times not peak times.

It was topped as soon as Sonic Adventure released

>>715835886 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJiKlXhPbRI

And it only got better with time.

How many of you are *real* Super Maerio brothers fans?
https://youtu.be/jbddVYyn2vw

>>715835886 (OP)
Camera aged like milk.

>>715854658
milk from dick, yes?

>>715835886 (OP)
This is the only Mario i like desu. I always ''all stars'' it every time i pick it up

>>715836738
That's because gameplay > artstyle, textures, story, and other shit. These are video games people, not fucking movies.

>>715852858
ew

>>715835886 (OP)
It never will. You could post this 30 more years from now and it'll still be true.