Thread 715836069

Genuinely, why does this keep happening?

Because it's a poorly designed game.

Human nature is to optimize; optimizing is fun if a game is designed with that in mind. /thread. How many times you going to make this thread?

>>715836069 (OP)
Evolution. The fittest will survive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YsNRnZRgg8

>>715836069 (OP)
"Given the opportunity, players will beat the game" okay retard

winning is fun
if your game is so badly designed that there is only one viable way of winning then that's your fault not the players'

OSRS is a prime example of this.
I understand why a lot of devs are so authoritarian. It must be a special kind of pain to watch players obliviously ruin their own fun, and the thing you wanted them to experience properly.

>>715836069 (OP)
Given the opportunity, developers will optimize the soul out of a game.

>>715836069 (OP)
To some people optimization IS the fun of the game, and so once they have figured out the optimal way to play there is no more fun left in the game for them.
To other people the fun comes from just winning, but if that player isn't actually good enough at the game to beat the players playing optimally then they will get upset and blame the optimal players for the game not being fun.

>>715836069 (OP)
Because most games are designed in a way that rewards players for winning and punishes them for loosing. Experimentation and playing for fun is often punished. If your goal is to win you'll always try to find the most effective method to do so, no matter how fun or not fun it is

because optimizing the fun out of a game is fun

The best PvP games have systems that allow you to counter the most optimal strategies if you know they are using it. This is why StarCraft:BW and 3rd Strike are still played today.

Single player games rely on the dev and the player to leave options for any player to enjoy the game at various optimization levels

>>715840931
Given the opportunity, developers will not optimize their game.

Just play protos

>>715836069 (OP)
if you haven't optimized the fun out of the game you didn't beat it.

>>715836110
fpbp

Devs don't understand game balance better than 60 pound korean kids that spend all day at an internet cafe.

do you think players have optimized the fun out of posting on /v/

>>715836069 (OP)
Because expectations are always higher than reality.
Even if at first glance it looks like it lived up to and surpassed your wildest dreams, in time,, the luster fades as you see the game for the code and numbers that it is. One day you'll find that the only variable in the game that can keep you guessing is another player's input. That day, other people become the only thing of value in the entire game, and you better hope they're worth something.

Fighting gamers do this all the time.

>>715843603
Modern meta is just (You) maxing.

>>715836069 (OP)
Because human (men) instinctively STRIVE TO BECOME BETTER, we do everything to improve ourselves.

>>715836069 (OP)
games are a "problem" to be solved

>>715836069 (OP)
>fallout 3
>skyrim
>it needs 200 mods to "optimize"
sounds about right

Mycopunk doesn't have this issue.

>>715843885
is that starfield mechs?

>>715836069 (OP)
modern competitive multiplayer games suck ass

None of you fuckers have even read the article this quote comes from, it was about boring strategies breaking badly balanced games.

Competitive gaming was only good when it was gatekept by having to use IRC, socializing, and having to find other like-minded individuals to play with. "Ranked" is cancer and has always been cancer.

To answer your question OP, there's this concept called "perverse incentives" and there's genuinely some soulless fucks that completely miss the point of playing videogames and are willing to both intentionally and unintentionally make everyone especially themselves as miserable as possible in an attempt to chase said perverse incentives.
A lot of it comes from "eSports" (marketing) and people desperately wanting a job as an eSports professional (gamer shit marketer)
But it also comes to gaming being literally the most popular entertainment medium there is and people wanting the social status with as little effort as possible.
Same thing that makes fags do shit like download cheat clients for games and makes exactly as shitty of people.

>>715836069 (OP)
Because "fun" to developers is long grinds solely designed for retention and nothing else. Look at Destiny telling people they can farm content as much as they want to score brownie points only to then immediately disable the content people were focusing because it was efficient.

Oh and also all the euphemistic peacocking about
>I became a le better man I embroooved
Is a total sham and simultaneous admission that they're a total fag that don't actually like playing them game, nor that they realize admitting to being a meta chasing tier queer is the exact opposite of being "good at games"

>>715844745
That's what the quote is saying, you dolt.

>>715843885
>>715843603
Nah, the modern meta is reposts. You just wake up and throw it out. Don't even read, just rotate posting the same threads for 3 months to 2 years

>>715845630
Yet people are pretending it means getting good at the game.

>>715843603
>Players
No
>Moderators that delete and ban all the people that give a shit or point out they're letting marketers run amock
Yes.

>>715845176
That's not what it means at all and you're an incredibly shallow individual to think it's the developers who are the final people who make a game boring when it is a player's final choice to use what they think they want to use.
Quicksaves. Fast Travel. Stealth Archery. Gamers cannot help themselves but to gobble up the convenience of a shortcut, abandoning the sense of weight of all their choices, thinking only in immediate gratification and resolution of their face-value problems. The choice of not using all of these things was, and in some places still is, there, but you want to optimize it out because you want to get to your goals.

Today more people kill more more bosses than they do enemies in Elden Ring. Can you guess why? Because it was never needed and it's faster to run past them, bypassing the exploration, attrition of resources, everything. Streamlined and optimized out by the player's own hand. And don't talk to me about how fast roll went from 25% to 70%. People wanted their cake and to eat it too.

>>715836069 (OP)
>play an rpg
>create my own build, raising x stat, get y weapon
>struggle real hard mid game
>check guide
>"DO NOT MAKE THIS BUILD/RAISE x STAT/GET y WEAPON BECAUSE YOU WILL DO ZERO DAMAGE IN MIDGAME BECAUSE EVERY ENEMY IS IMMUNE TO YOUR DAMAGE"
gee yeah I wonder why that happened

>>715836069 (OP)
For single-player games, if there's a strategy that's so broken and so obvious that everyone uses it, that's the dev's fault. If it's just 0.001% of number crunching autists that's not a problem, if anything that's inevitable and arguably healthy for the game's long-term appeal.
For multiplayer games, the fault is modern matchmaking. There's a "missing middle" of chill community servers where people play to win but aren't tryhards. Nowadays you can only pick between hyper-casuals and hyper-tryhards.