Replaying TWD games, why the fuck does the new group in season 2 try to gaslight me into thinking Kenny was crazy but I agree with some of the shit he does

>>715857334 (OP)
Kenny was right and based the entire time.

TWD season 2 development was a rushed mess and all their shit was fucked

>>715857438
That's every TT game after TWD1.

>>715857590
yeah but they got better at coping with it as the seasons progressed

>>715857334 (OP)
Bad writing

being gaslight into having no attraction for clem

>>715857334 (OP)
Season 2 suffers from contrived writing in order to create character conflict that doesn't actually need to exist.

>>715857438
Didn't they have to rewrite the whole thing at least once? Or was that one of the later seasons?

>>715857334 (OP)
I mean, he did call you Duck at dinner and his repeated failures were causing him to push increasingly rash and violent solutions to every bad situation.

He's still better than Jane, but the dude is kinda losing it.

>>715857334 (OP)
They had a good thing going, making a kid do all the work. Kenny being a nostalgic reminder of her past when she was allowed to be just a kid was a bad omen and needed to go.

>>715857334 (OP)
Wich one? There's two groups this season; the cabin group may have had their grievances with Kenny and were right some times, like how he just wanted to bum-rush Carver's menonly to get knocked down on the truck but they ultimately do listen to him due to his strong personality. The second group once they get out of Howe's is made up of the random people that they picked up from there and they see Kenny at his most volatile without really knowing the guy, most of the members of the cabin group are dead at this point and those who are left like Luke and Rebecca might still have some slightly conflicts with him but are also the ones that criticized him less compared to the rats of Bonnie and Mike.

>>715857856
Making Clem into some kind of uberchild who, save for body strength, is bordering on being as competent as Lee was and the one who solves most of the problems was kind of an inherent mistake in the first place.

>>715857334 (OP)
>some of the worst writing in video game history
>in a game entirely about story
>overwhelmingly positive review score on steam

>>715857334 (OP)
N

>>715857590
wolf among us was solid

>>715858338
>wolf among us was solid
This.

>>715857334 (OP)
dev bias.

>>715857856
Nigga, Kenny depends on Clem to an unhealthy degree too. She's the one person he trusts the most, pushed her to do plenty of dangerous things to escape from Carver's and values her opinion more than the rest of the group. Not that he's entirely wrong in doing so because Clem was just that capable and he makes up by looking out for her but he also put her in danger, he lost his eye by saving Clem, from a mess he put her in the first place. I think that's what's fascinating about their dynamic, it's a dysfunctional twist on the Lee/Clem dynamic.

>>715857334 (OP)
>replaying the TWD games
fucking how? I have started it multiple times and every time I make it as far as the farm with the shady fucks and I wanted you quitting because it so fucking boring. how does this game hook so many people or is it just a handful of fucks who suckered themselves into playing it all and now they try to convince others to play it so they can spread the pain?

>>715857334 (OP)
they should have kept the "Better to Sleep" ending as a worst possible ending that you'd actively have to seek out by making every wrong choice

speaking of which, what are some games with Event Horizon syndrome where the version we didn't get is more interesting than the final release

>>715858182
Some of the stupid things she gets asked to do, like I couldn't see anyone from season 1 asking Clem, the start of Episode 4
>"Could you go over there and talk to Kenny, because you know him best?"
Sure, but think about this. Would it be nice to have an adult talk to him, as he lost his left eye? For them and his second wife just died, why the hell would you ask the child to help him cope

>>715858338
>>715858385
It was good, but it was also victim to having the original plans completely derailed and needing to improvise as a result. The creator of the comics demanded they change the story and I think it was dealing with the game devs and getting screwed out of a TV deal on two separate occasions that led to him declaring the franchise public domain so he'd have no reason to bother defending it anymore.

>>715858868
>"Better to Sleep"
Just looked into it, in holy hell, that really should have been a bad ending if you are just a dick

>>715857334 (OP)
It feels like they were running a social experiment on the playerbase to see how many people would blindly believe the other characters about Kenny.

>>715857748
>Didn't they have to rewrite the whole thing at least once? Or was that one of the later seasons?
4 times apparently
>Original script by the S1 team
>Darker script by a new team
>Script single handedly written by the CEO, was so bad everyone collectively agreed to re-write the whole thing
>Final script made by new team with elements from the first two
Add the fact that writing teams would be changed between episodes. And this sorta happened for every season, S3 original plot was rewritten and when the first episodes got negative backlash from fans, they would go to rewrite their plans, aslo it didn't help that some choices from future episodes could be data mined. S4 had big plans but due to budget problems because TT was going under, they had to scrap their plans and build a season around assets they made just for the first episodes of a whole season.

Kenny
>Willing to give up everything, including returning offered supplies and walking into what is almost certain death in the freezing wastes so long as the children are given the opportunity to be safe
>Stresses to Clementine that she has to tell AJ the stories of everyone that died and sacrificed to get them to this point so that they didn't die in vain and are remembered even after they're gone

Jane
>An heroes because she can't murder her unborn child she got after having casual sex with someone while she was supposed to be on guard duty and leaves Clem with nothing not even a warning

Imagine unironically being a Janefag

>>715858787
>how does this game hook so many people
NTA, but at the time in 2012, it was all we had in regards to Walking Dead side stories that were in the comics' canon. The only voice the comics had was a TV show that altered the source material for seemingly no other reason than throwing off comic readers. Hell, I unironically bought the Negan skin in Fortnite simply because it was the Henry Rollins brick shithouse from the comics.

btw, for all those who read the comics, who were your headcanon voices for the main characters? I used Liam O'Brien as Rick Grimes, Johnny Yong Bosch as Glenn, Jen Taylor as Andrea, Jarion Monroe as Abraham and Patrick Seitz as Negan

>>715859354
Fucking hell, it's kind of amazing it got released at all.

>played through 1-3
>had a blast
>season 4
>not having as much fun
>AJ shoots someone after he locked me in a basement?
>stop playing
I never looked it up and I no longer care about spoilers. How does this shit end?

>>715859697
S3 is horrible. How can you enjoy that filler crap?

>>715859746
Clem is peak sexo in Season 3, that's a good enough excuse I'd say.

>>715859387
Me before I played season 1
Picked Jane because I never played season 1, because season 2 was free with Xbox Live Gold, realized she has the most shit ending, and tricked anyone who skipped season 1 like me.
Kenny was always right and had the most K I N O ending

>>715859857
That's true but the whole story is stupid. It starts really bad too. David's niece gets headshoted right after being introduced. That was the lamest way of introducing the main crew. Besides, his nephew is absolutely horrible, he's insufferable throughout the whole game and I don't think that's because his sister died. Having to choose wether to save his brother or his brother's wife who is his current girlfriend is muh drama tier of shit story. And there's more things that make the game bad.
Also, Clem doesn't have much screentime from what I remember.

>>715858950
I think in both instances when Clem goes to talk to Kenny, they said that they already tried but had no success in getting anything from him so Clem kinda is their last resort once she mets up with the them. Desperate and shitty for sure. Still, you can get some funny dialogue out of that, Kenny says something along the lines.
>"That's the kind of man you are, Mike? Sending little girls to do your dirty work"

>>715859857
You wouldn't have sex with Clem, right?

>>715857334 (OP)
the new group somehow managed to keep away from all the bad shit the end of the world had to offer and were just playing stardew valley out in bumfuck nowhere
Carver comes by and they think that's as bad as it gets while Clem and her group went through some shit and half magnitudes worse than what Carver was, so they thought they could still be civil
Kenny was more real, he knew how bad the people really were and he trusted the literal underaged girl more than the adults because holy shit, how can you trust the russian dudes who almost killed you all?

>>715859257
Yeah, it should have been something like Silent Hill 1's "Jacob's Ladder" ending or REmake's bad ending.

>>715860039
I still find funny as fuck how the original plot was going to be about how The New Frontier is a group that captures people for slave labor, they get Javi's family but he escapes so he has to rescue them and he teams-up with Clem on the road because they also had AJ. And in the final game the whole thing started because Javi "stole" some fucking gas in a junkyard, so Clem is there just because ???

>>715860268
>Javi
Oh fuck! I mixed the names. I meant to explain my point from Javi's POV. David is the one who's a sort-of leader for The New Frontier.
These characters are so forgettable it's ridiculous.
I still remember Chuck from S1 because he's MY FUARKING HERO second to Lee.

>>715857334 (OP)
Kenny operates totally on intuition and always sounds unhinged except in hindsight, where even then you recognize there was no reason for him to be right, but he just is. You still can't reasonably act like Kenny because you don't have his luck stat and would just die, so you have to act rationally which pisses him off.

>>715857334 (OP)
Season 2's writing was just not good. Introducing the new group by having them be hostile to Clem at worst or retarded and dickless at best only makes Kenny look that much more like Jesus in comparison. And wanting to trust and befriend the gimpy Russian that literally just attempted to murder you defies belief

>>715860087
No, that'd be weird. But if Clem has a gun to my head and won't take no for an answer...

>>715859697
Lilly from the first season shows up and she's the leader of a group of raiders. The raiders attack the school, Clem's group fights back, you can choose to let AJ kill Lilly or not. Afterwards, Clem/AJ get split up and Clem gets bit, AJ chops off her leg and the two of them end up living in the school with the kids.

>>715860087
S3/S4 are just really pretty

>>715860570
>But if Clem has a gun to my head and won't take no for an answer
Huh? What could this possibly mean?
it's the opposite actually
[Noblood] Dying Trust (The Walking Dead) (Ongoing)

>>715857334 (OP)
Kenny literally relied on a kid to do all the hard work.
No idea why this board glazes him so hard.

>>715857334 (OP)
I don't care if it was a rehash of S1, S2 should've been you controlling one of the 400 Days characters and meeting up with Clem. Playing as an 11 year-old made everyone retarded.

>>715860535
His conclusions are always correct, but he's so antagonistic when explaining his reasoning that I want to disagree on principle

>>715860546
I think the worst part is that the group that talks about how crazy Kenny is, are the random fucks they met during their escape: Mike, Jane and Bonnie, the original cast of the season is dead by this point. Bonnie especially has no right to talk shit seeing how most things are her fault.

>>715857438
They decided to pump and dump the entire game studio. Took on like 10x as much work as they could handle

/ourguy/ Punised Ken did nothing wrong. Imagine losing your wife and kid and still trying to be pragmatic and do the right thing to keep others safe.

>>715860665
>it's the opposite actually
Meh, not for me. Loli and JCdom is what I need.
Cheers all the same.

>>715860361
Can't blame you, the S3 cast is a nothing burger, save for like one or two exceptions. And honestly, I find David, the cucked asshole brother a bit more interesting than Javi the protag.

>>715857334 (OP)
I didn't like anyone in 2 besides Luke and Nick. I'd much rather have had the Nick fuck-up story line than the Sarah anxiety/autism story line. I also lol'd at how they killed of Luke. 2 was some shit.

>>715861587
The Adventures of Clementine and her fuck up brother could have been fun, actually sucks how they killed him off-screen if you save him.

>>715861587
>Luke dies because of Bonnie's retardation
>She has the gall to blame Clem after she almost drowns trying to save him
>Doesn't ever apologise or even have the decency to get killed off
It's like the writers were actively trying to piss the player off or something.

>>715862407
>It's like the writers were actively trying to piss the player off or something.
You just summed up the whole TWD saga.

>>715862407
Protip: Don't break the ice when trying to save Luke and Bonnie will drown

>>715857334 (OP)
Season 1 clementine owe me SEX

>>715862517
Yeah, I checked the consequences just now actually. Funny how trying to do the right thing gets you nothing but bullshit from the survivors, so I guess you could say the writing is on-brand for its thesis statement.

>>715858868
>speaking of which, what are some games with Event Horizon syndrome where the version we didn't get is more interesting than the final release

If you count "completely different games" Prey 2's storyline with tie ins to the first game and reveal sounds kino compared to the "NOT SYSTEM SHOCK" in name only reboot we got from Arkane

>You play as a flight marshal on the downed plane you see near the beginning of the original Preys first levels
>You become stranded on an alien world and take up bounty hunting using a teleporting mechanism to send your captured targets in for collection
>You are the only human in the game until mid to late game when you encounter the first games protag
>Each time you “die” your consciousness is transferred into a freshly grown clone effectively hundreds of times over the years you have been stranded
>Players would eventually see a room stacked with dozens of dead clones the tangible evidence of all your past failures
>Mid-to-late game, Tommy (the protagonist from the original Prey) reappears and the two of you team up to destroy a second alien harvesting ship like the one from the first game
>After defeating the harvesting ship and being sucked out into space, You use your bounty-teleport device on yourself and surprisingly return to Earth
>You grow old, live a full life and die happily among family. (kinda like the Bioshock 1 good ending)
>Just as you die you abruptly wake up as a young clone of yourself back on the alien world and the endless loop begins anew
>Heavily implied that Tommy from the first game (or whatever we saw in the 2nd game) was using you for some reason likely tying into a eventual 3rd game

>>715862710
The premise of this game was so fucking kino and the fact that it was blockaded by the publisher is testament to how the industry works detrimentally to delivery of good products to the end user.

>>715863086
Industry is a big mess, doubt it will change anytime soon

>>715857334 (OP)

The real loss was the cut fishing minigame

I dont like the games where you play clementine, Lee and the Mexican guy were much better choices

>>715864804
Lee I can get behind but Javi doesn't have much going for him. Playing as Top Cunt Clem from S2 was on another level

>>715860607
I'm mixed on the ending but at least there was an ending

Is their Expanse game good?

I was skeptical of season 2 since the announcement of Clem as the player character. Only in episode 1 and 2 you feel like a vulnerable 11 year old. After that, you're basically girl Lee, taking part in group decisions and killing zombies twice your size in melee with nearly no difficulty.
The ending where Kenny leaves Clem and AJ at Wellington is great, it almost makes up for the fact that he became the center of the story with a similar arc to season 1. He's clearly not the reason why Season 2 was so bad though: he was great, the rest of the game was a let down.
Episode 1 and 2 are mostly good. We should have had more time with the cabin crew, most were interesting bit they have little time to shine, especially since they reintroduced an important character from season 1. Episode 3 was okay, but 4 and 5 were disastrous. It could have been great without many changes:
>Make episode 2 end around the time we meet Kenny. Add more things on the way there to get to know the cabin group
>Get captured in the beginning of episode 3
>Don't know what I'd do about Nick killing Matthew and Walt's reaction to it, but in general I think Nick is a better character than Luke. Most people kept him around anyway, he could have had a larger role
>Mike is Ralph the thief like intended, and says Christa ran away. He's looking for redemption but is distrusted
>Episode 4 has less forced conflict. Make it possible for Nick and Sarah to live like Conrad in S3. Arvo is awful, get rid of him and the Russians
>Episode 5 needs a complete rewrite, it was so bad
>More hubs to explore and talk with people like in S1, so we get to know non-entities like Alvin and Sarita and their deaths matter more
>Do SOMETHING with the 400 Days cast. Maybe they join you in fleeing Carver or they're in another group

>>715857334 (OP)