Nobody cares about final fantasy anymore.
Older fans have given up after 25 years of constant dissapointment and younger people dont really care about it because all the games that were supposed to make up their childhood like it had for the older generation, has been shit.

>>715883885 (OP)
I preordered the FFT remake this week, so it isn't everybody. But the second line of what you wrote isn't exactly wrong. Chains of Promathia was the last time I wasn't disappointed by the series, but that was 21 years ago.

>>715883885 (OP)
Never played a FF before. Is it worth playing through them in order? What ones suck and just worth skipping?

>>715884786
Play 4, 5, 6, 7, 10
Maybes are 1, 3, 8, 9, 12

>>715884986
Forgot one, play tactics

>>715884986

>>715884786
the other reply to you is mostly correct except 9 is the best one so add it to play. don't play it first though, play a couple others first
tactics is also top tier

>>715885123
Thanks. Yeah i'll play the sprite ones first.

>>715883885 (OP)
7Rebirth gets a lot of praise
Same with Strangers of Paradise.
Tactics remaster was a good call too.
15 and 16 fucking sucked.

>>715883885 (OP)
is that why there are daily FF threads on here?

Play 1, 7 and 10 and 12 if you want to cover all playable eras of final fantasy.

1: the 2D simple dragon warrior like era
7: the kino peak of the franchise era
10: the best story, characters and adventure of the modern era
12: the still playable beginning of the slop era where the combat system is raped and everything is dull and uninspired

>>715885314
Okay, where is the 16 bit? Also 12 is better than 10.
You're an idiot.

>>715885382
12 on ps2 is a terrible game

Play Final Fantasy II for Kawazu kino.

Also OP don't listen to the virgin contrarians like >>715885382
Stick to my list if you want to experience actual good games and learn what final fantasy was all about

>>715883885 (OP)

This.
The last Final Fantasy game that was inarguably good, no qualifiers needed, was 10. That was in 2001. 24 years ago. People are old enough to vote and drink who were born after the last good Final Fantasy. That series coasted for decades on past goodwill, but it can't do it forever.

>>715885382
nta but you're the idiot, faggot. kill yourself

>>715884525
The only good thing the series has going for it is re-releasing old games with barely any improvements. Every new iteration or major remake strays so far from what's expected that they might as well be original titles. Meanwhile Square's original titles tend to be closer to the original FF experience, but they're stuck giving the facade of a classic experience instead of trying to push the genre past modern standards.
Basically, if you like JRPGs forget about Final Fantasy and Square. Play the Enix side of the company with Dragon Quest, or anything else you can find.

>>715885382
>12 is better than 10

It is not. Maybe Zodiac Age fixes it (I haven't played it) but I beat vanilla 12 and it was MUCH worse than 10 in every way possible. Awful design and boring as shit story.

>>715883885 (OP)
Tifa''s tits are still relevant to boomers and zoomers. They transcend generations.

is the pixel remaster any good? I also wanna jump in and play some JRPGs like >>715884786

>>715885538
>Basically, if you like JRPGs forget about... Square
Lol.

>>715885513
>>715885509
FFX is just as much of a hallway simulator as FFXIII.
It being turn-based combat doesn't change how fucking empty it was. XII mogs it completely

>>715885596
He probably has severe crippling antisocial autism and so could not understand nor appreciate the tragic romance theme of ff10.

>>715885630
No. Emulate the originals.

>>715884786
None of the stories are directly connected except for specific games. Think of every mainline numbered game as a self contained story and any spinoffs as prequels, sequels, or spinoffs

3rd gen
1 is very rough, linear, and primitive but is foundational to everything else. Interesting from a historical standpoint
2 is very unique among the series, but the execution of a very ambition system, and the first game in the series with a serious focus on epic storytelling
3 was the first foray into the job system. Interesting, but surpassed by every other game that attempted a job system. Player characters are essentially blanks and the story is paint by numbers.

4th gen
4 is very ambitious. They took the grand sweeping narrative of the 2nd game and used more traditional JRPG systems. Features probably the best sequel of any FF game that directly continues the story and explains what happened after you saved the world.
5 is arguably the best interpretation of the jobs system. The story is more involved than the one in three. Fun to play and with party members you will grow attached to.
6 is the king of the first two generations of the series. They took everything they learned in the first five iterations of the series and created a gem. Huge story, loads of party members, each party member is not just a distinct character with their own motives and passions, but contains unique actions which set them apart from every other character

>>715885665
>FFX is just as much of a hallway simulator as FFXIII.
Yeah but the difference is FFX is FUN and FF13 is awful.
>XII mogs it completely
It does not. FF12's absurdly awful control scheme where the characters do whatever they feel like 90% of the time ruins it, its atrocious skill system ruins it, and it's boring as shit garbage ass story ruins it. Only good things in FF12 are Balthier and Fran. Just having an open world does not make a game good if all its systems are bad and story sucks.

>>715885673

I didn't care about the romance either, but I loved the fact that the whole game starts as Yuna's religious pilgrimage and by the end of it she has not only rejected her religion but personally killed its "gods". It's epic.

>>715885812
>FF12's absurdly awful control scheme where the characters do whatever they feel like 90% of the time
Because you have your gambits on and are set up to do that?

>>715884986
I'd say add 9 to play but yeah pretty good

I replay Final Fantasy 5 once a year

>>715885630
Pixel Remaster is basically applying FFVI graphics and a shit ton of QoL improvements. It is in no way an authentic adaptation, but if you are new and not too interested in the series you get a consistent experience across all six games and a chance to bypass the worst mistakes of the original releases*

*The Pixel Remaster of III is debatably inferior to the 3d DS remake which adds a lot of new content.

>>715885789
Thanks for the in depth response. I imagined the first ones are very bare bones but there could be fun in the simplicity.

>>715885812
>where the characters do whatever they feel like 90% of the time ruins it
They literally only do what you program them to do. You provided evidence you're a moron that can't understand automated logic.

>XVI was as epic of a masterpiece as VII
>tendies who only started the series at XIII complain

I honestly hope Sony never listens to feedback, but just plays the games themselves. XVI was so good I won’t even bitch about XVII being an ARPG, they handled it well enough (for once, KH was awful)

>>715884986
btw if you're going to play 7 on PC, make sure the music is fixed with mods. The PC version has a lot of audio issues
Ruins some of the best moments of the game if you don't fix it

>>715886178
>They literally only do what you program them to do.

I don't want to program them you retard. I want to CONTROL THEM DIRECTLY and have the controls be GOOD and RESPONSIVE. Like they are in, for example, FFX.
>b-b-b-ut you can give them direct orders!
That they follow with a fucking annoying multiple second DELAY. The controls are objectively terrible because they're designed to enable the stupid fucking AI programming gimmick that should not exist in the first place. Give me direct control and make the characters instantly execute any action I order them to, without delays. That's how you make a good game. FF12's controls are atrocious.

>>715884786
Play their game

I finished SoP and 5 a few days ago and just got to the final boss of 4. can't decide what to play next, I really want to re-play 8 and 10 but I might just play DQ5

>>715885665
My problem with XIII isn't just the halls. It's that there is often nothing connecting the world you're in together. You arrive in an area, walk from A to B, fade to black and you're another group in another place. Every single bit of the world is disjointed from the rest. Even when you're presented with an open world with your roster full and all your jobs unlocked, it's in some end-game grind wilderness detached from everything else both forwards and backwards.
In FFX, when you have reached the end of the pilgrimage almost every place you visited is made available for you with additional content to be found.

>>715886634
>That they follow with a fucking annoying multiple second DELAY
Because you're inputting their actions while there are already actions queued up.

>>715886353
I won't argue the story was good, but it was relayed in the worst way possible.
XIV's story/quest system is the definition a slog.
Go to X, prompt scene, go to Y, fight enemies, return to X. It's just painful as all hell.
I also really enjoyed XVI's combat, but the game sorely lacked from just letting you play, and it couldn't help but just cutscene dump constantly.
The Echoes of the Fallen dlc was my favorite part of the game because for the most part it just shut the fuck up and let you go through a big ass dungeon with multiple boss fights, and none of the Eikon QTE fest shit fights.

>>715885914
Even if you turn gambits off the controls are atrociously bad because every fucking thing has a delay before the action even begins and a cooldown afterwards. It's inexcusably awful. The only "good" part of the system is that eventually you can set it up in such a way that the game plays itself for you. Which doesn't fix the problem of terrible controls and awful combat, it just makes it less agonizing to deal with.

FF12 has other problems too. The first 100 hours of the game are spent in a desert. Why? Why in the name of fuck would you put the player in a desert for such a long period? The game has plenty of other biomes, it has jungles, it has coasts, but all you get for longer than a normal game's entire length is desert towns, desert caves and desert deserts. I hate deserts. Give me some fucking variety.

>>715886003
>Pixel Remaster is basically applying FFVI graphics
No it's not. The pixel remaster's graphics are inferior in all ways to the SNES original from 1994.

>>715886634
>you retard
Well thats ironic

>>715886785
how is SoP?

>>715886867
No. The controls are awful. Stop defending them you subhuman piece of shit. This game has the worst controls of any Final Fantasy ever and there's a good goddamn reason why they were never reused in anything. They don't work.

>>715887003
They were from FFXI and brought to FFXII, so thats two instances of them using it.

>>715887003
I see. You're retarded. Carry on.

>>715886063
Only the first one is barebones in its simplicity.
2 has a very counterintuitive system where you level skills, stats, and spells by using them, but by attempting to grind you actually waste more time than if you had simply let your characters grow naturally as you progress through the story.
3's job system if very complex for the 8bit generation. The original game had this convoluted system involving job change phases, stat growth, and character development.
4 returns to a more "classical" JRPG experience but greatly expanded due to the SNES's improved hardware.
5 is the one that really will get you sitting down, and trying to customize each character into your ideal role. If you like tinkering with systems to come up with your ideal version of a character than it is incredibly satisfying
6 is all about learning how each character's unique abilities work, and then carefully managing their stat growth via magicite. You can play as shallowly or as deeply as you want and most of the time it is more than enough to finish the story.

>>715885630
Pixel Remasters are all fine

>>715887154
If you have shit taste.

>>715886991
it's good, better if you're into the postgame grind. for it's sale price it's worth doing the story at least
the combat and job system is insanely fun

>>715886063
>there could be fun in the simplicity.
That's exactly how I view FF1. It's the best of the NES trilogy

>>715886178
I want to play an JRPG not factorio.

>>715884786
No real point in doing it in order. Start off with 1-10 in any order you choose, possibly skipping 2 and 3, then after that you can branch out to the MMOs, XII (the offline MMO), or XVI. XIII and XV are dogshit but give em a shot if you want who care

>>715886902
Well if delayed actions is what bugs you about FF12, don't play any other FF games because that's the standard across a lot of them. If the ATB doesn't have prep-casting in the first place, you'll probably still be waiting for stacked commands to play out one at a time anyways. At least in 12 everybody acts independently. I'm playing 9 currently and every fight is a constant waiting queue. Every time somebody goes into Trance I'm losing a round because I asked them to pop a potion 30 seconds ago.

>recent japanese census data showed that the average age of an FF fan over there was fucking 42
Yoshida was actually right. FF does not appeal and is not managing to build new fans.

>>715884786
The games were groundbreaking for their time for their narrative, but by modern standards they all suck. Even Dragon Quest games have aged better and feature much stronger gameplay. There's no reason to play any old Final Fantasy game when you can be playing something like Expedition 33 instead which is way better. Or any of the Xenoblade games.

What is the "new" Final Fantasy for the youth? I know Persona is the *it* JRPG but I can't picture 12 year olds playing it.

>>715887831
Persona is too "weeby" for lack of a better word. Mainly because half of the game is a high school sim set in Japan

>>715887831
There isn't really one. No other rpg franchise has had the same impact and widespread appeal.

>>715883885 (OP)
if they made a game that didn't suck, people would pay attention again. I don't know how long they have before everyone stops paying attention but they should really hurry up. It's been way too long since a ff game that wasn't garbage

>>715887831
Pokemon and Undertale

>>715888043
Rebirth and Strangers of Paradise exist

>>715886003
>>715887242
Honestly and no bullshit or elitism, why would be playing the remasters be bad? Why aren't they considered the definitive way to play those games?

>>715885630
I would recommend the PC versions so that you can mod in different fonts. Depending on the game I would say it's either best or second best version. The QoL features such as diagonal movement and each game having a run by default makes replaying them smoother. I like most of new song renditions, but you do have the option for the original tracks if you prefer.
>6
Not bad but I prefer the original version. I think the newest sprites clash without the old ones at time.
>5
Better. Sprites look better than the original and battles play at lightning fast speed if you want (This is a big plus for me regarding the SNES trilogy).
>4
This one has a bunch of different version so it is the hardest to call. I think both the PSP and DS version are worth a playthough. DS is good for a replay or if you find the others version too orthodox because it adds new battle mechanics. Every other version is fairly similar. I have nostalgia for the PSP version, but I still enjoyed my play of Pixel without any complains.
>3
The best version of 3. DS's cast is dry so you don't lose much. DS's battles also feel slow in comparison to me. I also really like new soundtrack of this one. This one takes elements from both the famicom and the DS version.
>2
Better. For 2 anything is better than the original on famicom.
>1
I think 1 and 2 are both the hardest to recommend because they both feel the oldest, even when playing most of the newer version. 1 on NES is fine if really old rpgs don't bother you. The newer ones are more digestible otherwise. I personally think FF1 is just okay, even when compared to other rpgs of its era, so I don't have any real bias on a specific version.

If no one cares about it why do you Japanese racists have to bring it up all the time

>>715888232
Because people get upsetti spaghetti that you aren't getting The Authentic Experience™
The Authentic Experience™ only matters to boomers trying to recapture their childhood and discord troons who are obsessed with accurate representations and completely lack self-awareness. Also collector fags who seethe that people would rather just play a cheap and readily available offering instead of shelling out hundreds of dollars to buy their retro carts.

If you are just coming into the series new the Pixel Remasters are perfectly fine, will let you get an understanding of the games, and which just work.

>>715887831
12 year olds play Roblox and Minecraft. And maybe Among Us. None of them care about graphics.

>>715888393
>I also really like new soundtrack of this one.
The new soundtrack is just Sokan's FFXIV reimaginings of the Uematsu's FFIII soundtrack.

>>715888232
>get recc'd the psp versions
>play FF PSP
>everyone is a bloated chibi with large hands
>the sun is burning the top of the overworld screen
>entire soundtrack sounds like it was made for baseball stadiums
>play the originals
>coding so bad half the shit doesn't work or shit is disappointing like the Ultima spell in 2
>playing FF2 in anything but the PR port
As long time FF fan and someone who even went back and played DQ1 for the first time a couple years ago and enjoyed it, the opinions of the anti-PR crowd are ludicrous at best and anally destructive at worst.

>>715888232
There isn't any reason they shouldn't be. It's an easy way to to access all of them, they look cleaned up, the new osts are optional and they have some convenience features that enable you to not waste hours of your time on grind.

>>715888554
You lie and project so much I'm convinced you're a troonfucker.

The pixel remasters are frowned upon because they're just inferior. The graphics are worse, there's constant stuttering, some of the audio manages to be worse (in particular the awful singing in FF6's opera scene), the UI is worse, and so on. There's literally no reason to play those over just emulating the superior originals.

I'm playing wuwa and it really feels like FF
after the china arc, anyway

>>715883885 (OP)
FF used to be my favorite series. I stopped liking it at FF13. The last FF game I finished was the FF4 remake on DS. I’m not even interested in the pixel remasters because I think the old turn based games are a boring chore to play and a waste of time. I noticed about 10 years ago fans still believed it was was a mainstream successful series like it was the year 2000 still despite being in a death spiral decline. Now it’s irrelevant but it didn’t have to be this way. Dragon Quest XI was still pretty good despite being turn based

>>715884986
This. Nothing else to add here. The only games worth playing and the maybes are are definitely skippable maybes. The series died after 12

>>715888091
Most Undertale fans are in their 20s now anon...

>>715888872
I never played the MMOs so I wouldn't know. Uematsu still did supervision on Pixel Remaster soundtracks. You still can pick the original soundtrack If you prefer.

>>715890801
The 20s are considered an extended childhood these days, it seems.

Last one beat. Tried to get into 12 but it is a buggy mess on pc also it feels more like a single player game with online tacked ok unlike 11 where you need other people to progress

>>715890297
>FF used to be my favorite series.
>despite being turn based
kys faggot

>>715890927
FFXIV is fucking garbage, but the soundtrack (up until Endwalker at least) is top tier. I have both box sets on vinyl and they are fantastic.

>>715889278
>graphics worse
>UI worse
>some stuttering (that doesn't even happen)
>some audio!!!!!!
You really don't have an argument, do you?

>>715891970
There was a reason I didn't waste my time arguing with him. You know if you don't respond to trannies then they end up just simply seething into the ether until they go away.

>>715891273
Turn based isn’t my thing anymore, but I even said I enjoyed DQXI which is turn based. Stop telling people to kill themselves you fucking loser. Go to hell

>>715887831
There isnt one. They all have crippling dopamine adhd serotonin disorder

>>715883885 (OP)
boomers still obsess over the old ones and zoomies play FFXIV so your wrong