How can we fix this?

>>715895831 (OP)
by not playing games from one of the laziest and shittiest companies on the planet (gamefreak)

If i remember correctly you can't just rely on your starter, you will encounter an enemy that will be immune to it so you need at least 2-3 leveled pokemons

By using the item that splits XP that's been in the game since Gen 1?

>>715896009
it's not hard to get at least one different-type move and there's some pokemon type combinations that aren't really hard countered, at least not bad enough that an over leveled starter you've had in your party from the get-go can't brute force bulldoze over even if suboptimal.
If you want people changing our Pokemon more frequently you'd need to take the series in a more SMT direction but my hot take is that this is a "problem" the vast majority of Pokemon players don't want solved and neither do gamefreak, if you actually had to bench your starter for extended periods people would riot and most of the audience want to be Ash bringing Pikachu to everything and the pokefuckers aren't benching their waifu no matter how shit you make it in the main plot/road to championship

>>715896017
the point is your starter is the only pokemon you really need.

>>715895831 (OP)
It is a children's game, adults shouldn't be playing it.

>>715896009
They design the starters to carry people through the game. Even in Firered/Leafgreen they gave Charmander steel claw just so retarded kids wouldn't get stuck on the first gym.

>>715895831 (OP)
I have never had an HM slave on my team. The only people who use HM slaves are the people too entitled to build out a balanced team.

>>715895831 (OP)
pokemon games are for literal babies so you will never be able to make the game engaging because its fundamentally bad

>>715896996
Smogon exists right?

>>715895831 (OP)
HM were a mistake.

Release your starter

I played a romhack where they give you a flashlight instead of having to teach a pokemon flash. Fuck Game Freak.

>>715897094
And hammer your penis while you are at it.

>>715896994
Aren't most relevant HMs decent attacks/moves anyway or am I misremembering

>>715897163
I think they're good now, but they used to be bad to mediocre in the past.

>>715895831 (OP)
By using whatever you want since its a kids games

>>715895831 (OP)
By not being seven and actually building out a team of all of your favorite pokemon? You know? Actually playing the game the way it was supposed to be?
And getting a romhack to completely dismantle the HM problem

>>715895831 (OP)
Game Freak, the hacks that they are, have already axed HMs instead of addressing them in a reasonable manner. They'll never get rid of juggernauting with your starter because these games are designed for to beatable by ipad addicted toddlers.

>>715895831 (OP)
level cap your mons to be the same as the next major fight
get rid of HMs or only need 1 slave max so you don't have to handicap your team to be able to fucking traverse the world
every enemy trainer should have 3 mons minimum, 6 if a boss
stop giving enemy trainers fodder shitmons like rattata and zubats

of course none of this will ever happen because pokemon is for toddlers

>>715895831 (OP)
Divide the max PP of every move by 10.

It's pathetic how some gym leaders don't even have full teams.

>>715897163
Depends on the game. Moves like flash and defog are basically useless.

It's like this by design, it's literally a series for toddlers, there's a reason all the pokemon say their own name

>>715897428
>there's a reason all the pokemon say their own name
That shit is anime only, tourist.

>>715896009
spwp play the fucking games

gf fixed this eons ago. now they hand you insane shit mid-game and strongly encourage you to use it. and things like dragonite and garchomp can be found in the wild, so you're never too far behind

>>715897163
>Aren't most relevant HMs decent attacks/moves anyway
Outside of Surf (and Waterfall post-Physical Special Split) and maybe Strength if you're willing to call a mediocre no effect normal move that loses to Return good, not really.
Of course the real issue is that for some reason Gamefreak got it in their heads that there should be 3 fucking water HMs in most games, especially since Waterfall typically only exists to access a tiny number of late-game areas and could very easily just be flavored as something else.

>>715895831 (OP)
remove revive items

>>715895831 (OP)
Level cap by badge

Baffling to me how only one game in this entire series has a Hard Mode. Just having difficulty options would make everyone happy.

Try beating the first gym in Pokemon Yellow with just your starter

>>715895831 (OP)
It's like the game is intended for little kids as the main audience, or something...

>>715897246
Based waifumon tram builder. I'd probably be doing the same if the dex cut didn't kill any hope of having my dream team 6 together in one game

I think the biggest problem is there's almost never incentive to swap. Most of the time you're just one-shotting everything even with neutral resistance, and even if something survives 2 turns there's no reason to swap because swapping would result in the exact same outcome of taking two turns and getting hit once. The game is too simple to really have a solution and can't really change because it has to be for retarded children. There's nothing wrong with that either. You may as well ask how we fix tic-tac-toe. Sometimes things just aren't for you anymore.

>>715895879
Don't know why the topic moved past this.
If you want to see pokemon get better, stop putting up with the current level of effort by the devs.

>>715895831 (OP)
Make hidden moves actually useful instead of garbage like cut and flash

>>715897684
*sends level 30 Pikachu*
*tackle kills all of Brock's Pokemon through brute force*

>>715897246
>Blissey
You're a sick fuck and a masochist

>>715895831 (OP)
I remember playing Soul Silver after having only played gen 1 and 2. Expecting to relive the magic. Man, I beat the entire game with just Golem and Ampharos. I'd destroy everything even if they were resistant to the element I used. I felt no need or desire to use any other Pokémon.

>>715897684
that's not that hard, you only need level 15 for double team.

>>715897484
nah i'm good

>>715897898
kid me also just found it annoying having to go through the menus to change party order. having something like "hold A to select your pokemon at the start of battle instead of throwing out the first one" would've been a huge help.

>>715895831 (OP)
>Monster sanctuary
Newly caught Mons are same level as your highest mon. Every mon has its own skill tree with barely enough points to unlock everything, so it's viable to have parties made of same Mons that are specialized in different things.
>Siralim ultimate
Different character classes provide different bonuses, either for having as small team as possible or one main Mon and rest as sacrificial fodder for it.

>>715897163
Surf is arguably the best water move. Fly is good in PVE. Waterfall is the best physical water move. Flash is good in challenge runs and certain PVP builds. Whirlpool is good.
But the others generally suck. Cut is a weak early game move you can't replace. Waterfall is special in its debut gen. Strength is mediocre and outclassed by body slam. Rock climb is inaccurate. Rock smash is shit. Defog is useless outside of PVP. Dive is meh. Flash is dead weight in 99% of builds and playthroughs.

>>715895831 (OP)
> Instead of HM Slaves you have to buy gear that allows you to travel through rough terrains.
> To smash rocks you have to buy a pickaxe or some tool for that.
> To cut trees you have to buy a fucking hatchet.
> To move across the seas you have to buy some jet-ski or whatever.
> To glide around you have to buy some high-tech gliders.
> To climb rocky surfaces you have to buy a climbing kit.
> To dive deep into the ocean floor you have to buy a diving kit.
ITS NOT HARD.

>>715895831 (OP)
did they ever change up the water-fire-grass starter triangle? surely they arent that lazy to make the same thing over and over

>>715896009
You didn't remember correctly your starter can roll everything in the base-game

>>715897246
Please do something about your porn addiction, anon. I'm genuinely worried about you.

>>715898743
Sure did. It's water, fire/fighting, grass now.

>>715895831 (OP)
It's a children's game made to be extremely easy, so you don't.

>>715895831 (OP)
i always throw my starter in the trash, theres some grinding at first but once you are strong enough for the first gym it gets more comfy.

>>715895831 (OP)
>Hey, my baby game is too easy
No shit?
Also >>>/vp/
There's a reason you retards have a containment board

>>715899080
This shit excuse didn't fly in the NES, SNES era. Your generation is retarded and weak.

>>715898923
Water/Steel, Fire/Fighting/Psychic Grass/Ground/Poison, right?

>>715895831 (OP)
Two HM Slaves, bro what is wrong with you?

>>715898628
That's faggot shit. The entire appeal of HMs was that it allowed you to feel like your Pokemon existed in a capacity beyond being battle slaves.
Give every mon on your team a dedicated HM slot. Or, even better, mons can use HM overworld moves without actually knowing the HM. Fixes the biggest issue and even encourages diverse team building. Wow, that was fucking hard.

>>715898923
Bro is stuck in Gens 3-5.

>>715895831 (OP)
Play wifi against actual humans moron.

>>715899216
I am 33 yo, Pokemon has been extremely easy since the first game and got even easier as it went on. Do we really need the Dark Souls of the Pokemon games?

>>715899275
>Or, even better, mons can use HM overworld moves without actually knowing the HM
This. Just have them inherently know the moves that make sense for them to have.

>>715899348
>. Do we really need the Dark Souls of the Pokemon games?
That's called Shin Megami Tensei, and it's 100 times better than Pokemon.

>>715899553
On that I agree.

>>715895831 (OP)
what's there to fix? it's just how rpg mechanics work higher stats = lowered difficulty
if you want to stop it then it's easy
>remove 1v1 format
>make player pick a mon to block enemy attacks directed at trainer (basically the attack interception mechanic from card games so your lives don't get hit)
people wouldn't like either I believe

>>715899852
> SMT/Persona exists.
That's the game for you. Originally they thought adding in player character battling the monsters in order to weaken them first but thought against it in the drafting stage of Pokémon Green/Blue.

>>715895831 (OP)
N

>>715897402
>some
I can't recall a single one that does.

>>715895831 (OP)
I tried making a dream team party of pokemon just based on if I thought they looked cool and I was only able to get 5 or 6. Having a couple of guys that can do anything is more appealing I guess than a whole team of specialists

Playing with one overleveled Pokémon and just mashing A against everything just because it's the fastest and most efficient way to play the game is for children. As a 37 year old man playing Pokémon, I appreciate the joy of having a full team of 6, each one with two types, status moves, STAB and coverage. Imagine if you played basketball without doing spins, or stopping in place to start monologuing or thinking to yourself, or didn't shout out your move names like BASUKE SHUUTO and strike a pose. No matter how many times I lose the ball, get punched in the face by other players, or get kicked from the game by the ref, I won't stop playing with SOVL, and they're legally obligated to keep me on the team anyway.

But back to Pokémon, my min-maxxed Mamoswine does exactly what your level 98 Infernape does, only in 4-5 hits. In fact, ALL my Pokémon do exactly what your level 98 Infernape does, so who looks retarded now? You have to deal with having two HM slaves on your team, while I have a full team of Pokémon that can all win battles. What do HMs even do, except impede me from getting stuff I want? That's why they're bad, and why it makes no sense to have HM slaves.

Now just wait until I tell you about dedicated catching team of six False Swipers with Hypnosis...

>>715895831 (OP)
EXP share + system to decrease experience gain at high levels

>>715900784
> Meta team that only is beneficial to run in a PvP format because 0 opponents in PvE switch out their mons.
LOL.

>>715895831 (OP)
by removing the starter
also I never got this, even as a kid I was ocd enough to level all my guys equally

>>715900265
in SMT the player character actually fights
I was talking about leaving mons idle to block incoming attacks against the player character, like in numerous card games
>but thought against it in the drafting stage of Pokémon Green/Blue.
because whipping the local critters that are analogous to animals doesn't sound very appropriate for a g-rated game don't you think?

When will you guys learn that the campaign is just a tutorial and the real game starts after that. Shiny living dex or PvP.

>>715896009
This. Unless you metaslave/know optimal moves off the bat as well as powergrind, you will encounter a situation where your started drops midbattle to weakness it can't handle and turns into revive spamming

>>715901898
Pokemon PvP is pure, concentrated cancer.

>>715899248
There are 8 fucking HMs in gen 4, what did you expect?

>>715895831 (OP)
>soft level caps
>-exp level softcaps like in clover
>-pokemon(even own captured)will start disobeying after a certain level, mitigated but not entirely avoided by friendship value
>hard level caps
>stamina system. after a pokemon defeats a pokemon it's stats drop by 1.05 to show fatigue and force switching. fatigue heals only after battle finishes
>better designed gym teams that don't just job to surf
>FEAR and other gimmicky setups like a fast taunter to dunk on the newbie
>showdown best-of-three combat. player must beat 2 out of 3 matches and can't use the same pokeman for all three fights

>>715901956
Git gud

>>715902621
I do not want to be associated nor I want to interact with massive faggots like you. PvP is cancer.

>>715899553
SMT is fake difficulty. Take Brock's Onix and give it 10000 hp, congrats you have an SMT boss.

>>715902759
>SMT is fake difficulty
>fake difficulty

>>715895831 (OP)
I always picked 6 guys that looked cool and trained them equally :)

>>715895831 (OP)
By giving the franchise to anyone else

>>715897163
In gen 3, yes

>>715901969
There are 8 HMs in RSE, DPPt, and HGSS
There are 7 HMs in Gen II, FRLG, and ORAS
There are 6 HMs in Gen V
There are 5 HMs in Gen I and XY

In every game that has HMs, you need a minimum and maximum of two HM slaves to cover all of them. This wouldn't be a problem if you have one Pokémon that sweeps every single battle, it allows you to dedicate the rest of your team to navigation, catching Pokémon, and general utility. I had a Kecleon with Thief that I used to steal wild battle items and Trainer items. I never used it for actual battle, but I always had it in my party because it was a good skill and got me items that were often difficult to obtain otherwise. Why would I need six Pokémon that all accomplish the exact same thing? Nobody has been able to answer this.

>>715896994
Entitled?

>>715901956
That's because it's genuinely challenging, making you pick things because they are good instead of because you like them.

>>715899275
>want to use a team of specific pokemon
>but you need one that can fly
>and one that can surf
>and one that can climb waterfalls
>and one that can dive
>and one that can rock climb
>and one that can emit light with flash
FUCK gen 4. FUCK HM slaves stealing slots on my team

>>715903165
>making you pick things because they are good instead of because you like them.
Sounds like cancer loved by faggots.

>>715897684
I did and don't recommend it

>>715903235
we dont sign our posts here

>>715903274
You tried.

>>715903274
That doesn't even make sense, you massive faggot.

>>715903196
>Dive
>Gen 4
>Flash
>ever being necessary

>>715903323
Embarassingly

>>715903332
see >>715903274

>>715903165
Everyone at Worlds uses the same generated cookie cutter meta teams. Playing the legitimate way takes hundreds of hours of autism with optimal RNG breeding and soft-resetting. And the players who get caught using gen'd teams get kicked like that one dumb guy who went to Worlds in Japan, OOPS, should have played fair.

>>715903196
lol why wouldn’t you use surf and fly
videos
bidoof learns all the necessities
flash isn’t needed for anything and dive isnt even in the game
you didnt play the game. what a retarded subhuman post

>>715897827
there's the might-be-official-showdown that's on the horizon if you really want to just rep your dream team

>>715903359
Sorry, defog instead of dive
Arguably significantly worse

>>715903378
Holy shit it's retarded.

>>715903460
PvP doesn't automatically mean you are in Worlds autismo.

>>715903492
>Arguably significantly worse
No, not at all. You can ditch defog right after you use it in the 1 route where it’s still optional.
Dive is required in multiple parts of the game

>>715903463
Erm

>>715903582
turn on your monitor

>>715903034
reminder that game freak poached all of genius sorority's employees who worked on colosseum

>>715903710
Hey now that was decent. That's a 1 in 3 success rate. Keep it up.

>>715903626
Then that's called Showdown.

>>715903792
No it isn't.

>>715903460
>hundreds of hours of autism with optimal RNG breeding and soft-resetting
>mints
>hyper training
And done. Are confusion and foul play relevant in worlds?
Poke PvP is still ass either way.

>>715903630
I see two things that can Fly and two things that can Surf, but you admittedly don't have a Waterfall

>>715899275
This would even make the badge restrictions make more sense, the gym leaders could just teach you how your mon can help you outside of battles by teaching you how to use whatever type they specialize in the overworld. Like grass types letting you scale walls instead of rock climb by growing vines or fire types letting you melt stuff.

>>715895831 (OP)
Pokemmo fixed it by having level caps, and HM items

>>715895831 (OP)
Why would you fix it? You can just exercise your agency and decide not to play like this. HM moves should be usable without having to teach them though.

>>715896009
Nah, retard kid me brute forced with a level 100 charizard until I won

>>715904487
Based. Even touched on in the anime with Ash using Pikachu at a ground type gym like a retard.

>>715904487
If you just spent an extra 15 hours switching in and out, you could have won with six weaker Charizard. Did you ever stop to think about that?

>>715904359
>level caps
you don't have to cap the level outright. just add 90% chances of disobedience if you're 5 levels higher than the gym leader's ace, or make battles grant you 0 EXP past a threshold until you get the next badge

>>715905210
>oh shit I overleveled my Pokemon
>guess I'm fucked now

>>715905210
>make battles grant you 0 EXP past a threshold until you get the next badge
anon, that's just a level cap

>Swampert with Surf, Waterfall, Dive, Muddy Water
gaming time

>>715895831 (OP)
Level cap = next available gym's highest mon
Give gyms actually good mons with 4 good moves each that compliment their team.
Romhacks have solved this already, Gayfreak is just dogshit at game design or are not trying.

>>715895831 (OP)
>>715895879
/thread

>>715901691
There was a Tactics Shin Megami game called Devil Survivor, maybe try that.

just play renegade platinum anon, it's kino

>>715895831 (OP)
Pokemon die of old age or go away like Charizard did.

>>715895831 (OP)
They already did in the newer games. Party wide xp share from the start

>>715896009
I literally beat every game up to gen 5 with just my starter and a few revives as a kid. Then I played sun and moon years later and did the exact same thing.
Anyway it's like those games wanted you to play like this because of the insane amount of grinding you had to do if you wanted a balanced team before they reworked exp share.

>>715908287
I don't recall my Charizard going anywhere

Pokemon leveling system is laughably unbalanced. You can just stomp through the entire game with 1 or 2 while ignoring other slots, then catch the legendaries at the end and fill the rest of your party.

>>715895879
This.

>>715908423
I hate that it's forced and can't be turned off desu.

>>715905807
>game teaches you actions have consequences
>this is a bad thing
your brain on contrarianism

>>715897246
>local trainer arrested for having sex with every single pokemon he owns

>>715908423
>>715910617
have you ever asked yourselves why they're forcing it on? it turns out that you can't balance an RPG with a 6x base exp multiplier.
>if you assume the player won't turn it on, then exp share is fucking broken
>if you assume the player will turn it on, then people who don't will have only 1 usable pokemon, while the rest will be severely underleveled. the only way to catch up is either to backtrack and grind there or to swap in your strongest mon so the weaker one can share 50% of EXP
and what do you know, it turns out that people hate swapping each fucking battle for a measly 50% of exp. and what's worse, this also makes the overleveled starter gain even more levels, further skewing things

>>715897246
>poketards fap to this
lel

>>715895831 (OP)
make doubles the standard battle format

>>715904605
i was so mad he got away with that but years later i see it was based

>>715895831 (OP)
Equalizing experience gains for all party members. Exp Share was good but not enough

>>715911592
that's why you don't just keep swapping to the overleveled starter to train your pokemon? you do that with the first pokemon you train, and once it's at a decent level then you start training another pokemon, swapping out with the first pokemon you trained.

also if you plan your training even just a tiny bit, it makes things a lot easier. for instance lets say it's an electric or grass type pokemon you're training, just plunk your ass down on the side of some water and start fishing. training a fire type? run around in grass that spawns a lot of grass or bug types. fighting, ground, or water type? go to a cave and train on rock mons. isn't it a coincidence that in almost every generation you come across a forest, a cave, and get your first rod relatively quickly, within the first 1-2 badges? it's almost like it's on purpose to give you a wide array of training areas for most typings.

>>715905852
he thought you meant hard level cap, as in reducing the total level a pokemon can ever reach, not a temporary cap based on badge count.

>>715911432
>>715911736
>they never had sex with Gardevoir!
Tsk tsk! :3

You boys are gay! ;p

>>715895831 (OP)
Challenge runs.

>>715899347
Can confirm, back in the first few generations PvP is basically the only reason any kid playing it made an actual team.

Team rocket steals your starter at some point

>>715895831 (OP)
Useless 1 and 2 should be proportionally leveled but not overlevelled like the starter

>>715912372
>that's why you don't just keep swapping to the overleveled starter to train your pokemon?
OP wants to tardwrangle kids into not doing that.

>>715912589
You have a game filled with 9/10 jailbait like this >>715913829


Get some taste

>>715895831 (OP)
I was simply never this stupid.
Even on the most basic level. You only want to use one pokemon for 20 hours? Really?

>>715895831 (OP)
triple battles

>>715915296
Leveling more than one pokemon is a self imposed challenge. The game is a lot easier and faster if you just use your starter for everything.

>>715916243
Engaging with the game's most basic mechanics (catching pkmn, rock-paper-scissors) is a challenge? And that's bad?
I just. I don't know how to respond without further bullying the retarded kid.
I can see how this is a viable way to play and you can play video games however you like. I guess I shouldn't have assumed people play like me or gotten angry that people assume others play like them.

>>715917274
I said slower and harder mr autist, not bad. Over leveling one pokemon and spamming it's strongest move is a lot more efficient. You were questioning why one would use the same pokemon for everything and one answer is it is simple faster

>>715895831 (OP)
stop factoring level into the damage formula
of course this comes with a side-effect in making lower evo stages weaker

>>715895831 (OP)
You can’t even level grind in Pokemon because wild mons give such little exp. It’s garbage game design where using only your starter makes the game easier.

>50 iq
>I will only use my starter for the entire game

>100 iq
>I will train all my pokemon evenly and plan every battle to use my team efficiently

>200 iq
>I will only use my starter for the entire game

>>715903196
>No I can't just play the entire game with 6 dwagons ;_;
God forbid.
Who am I kidding you probably still could in most Pokemon games.

>>715917274
Even speedruns overlevel a single Pokémon and spam its strongest move. It is the most optimal way to play, and switching in and out is far slower and much more inconvenient. No one has ever disproven this.

>>715895831 (OP)
exp scaling

>>715895831 (OP)
We don't, because Pokemon is meant for children.

>>715895831 (OP)
This can only be fixed by giving the game a NORMAL PERSON difficulty that makes it possible to lose

>>715897163
They weren't good until like Gen 4.

>>715895831 (OP)
By introducing scaling xp. Each level above or below the average enemy pokemon level has a 20% xp modifier that goes up to 100% that will very quickly make it extremely hard to overlevel while heavily encouraging leveling your lower level pokemon.

>>715921654
>gatekeep kids from ever finishing the game

>>715906769
Player still fights with 2-3 other humans in DS1-2 [Overclocked or not], IIRC.

>instead of HMs, there are entire categories of moves that can do certain things
Why should Cut be the only move that can Cut on the world map when there are like a gazillion "cut" moves?

>>715923781
Because GameFreak can't think of something other than "you need a key move to pass here"

>>715914702
if I wanted jailbait I'd pick Kirlia

>>715895831 (OP)
Something between vanilla pokemon and nuzlocke.
or maybe just hard team-check battles to deter starter-only

>>715914702
Anon I don't think 12 year olds count as jailbait. Pretty sure they are just jail.

>>715895831 (OP)
For me, its six (6) lucario, every time.

>>715924654
>nuzlocke
all that will do is encourage you to grind further so your mons will never die, moron
>typing
irrelevant when a large level gap makes short work of anything

>>715895831 (OP)
by not being cringe and switch training
or making hard counters for water+fire+grass in the early-midgame which force the player to atleast adopt A mon to use alongside the starter

>>715926439
team checks meaning, full-roster trainer battles that are meant to push your current team to the limit, and would filter people trying to 1mon.
And a nuclear option could just be setting xp gains to 0 once the pokemon has X level based on current badges, but that's not very elegant.

>>715908603
No way you did 5 with just a starter. The Elite 4 in B/W are basically designed to completely fuck your starter Pokemon.

>>715896994
>dogshit ass like flash, whirlpool, dive, rock smash, cut, rock climb, arguably waterfall/strenght on your best mons which cant be removed without cancer
Lmao
anyway HM were a mistake to begin with.

>>715895831 (OP)
stamina system so that you have to switch mons between battles

>>715895831 (OP)
If you want a heckin challenging pokemon there are rom hacks available.

>>715927013
hi coromon

Man, I don't like compulsory pokemon - starters, forced legendaries, etc. Usually just box them, after getting a 'mon that resonates with me.
Ultra Moon had Alolan Muk as my ace, but I'll usually go for psychics, dark-types, poison-types, etc, and try to feed them battles when I can, so they don't fall behind.
Starters are paradoxically 'special', in that you're one of the few people in the game that have them, but from a meta-perspective, every little child is going to be rocking one of the three, and they don't really convey the user's personality because of this - they're very boring picks.
Will usually forgo unique units for generic ones, in other RPGs as well, if given the choice.

>>715895831 (OP)
level caps
tactics ogre did it

>>715895831 (OP)
Level caps based on badge count, level 100 unlocked at 8 badges. Gladius on the Xbox did this 20 years ago, no idea why GF haven't figured it out.

>>715926302
>Pretty sure they are just jail.
You're such a funny silly boy! :3

>>715895831 (OP)
Delevel pokemon down to the highest level pokemon of the gym leader.

I just got a retro handheld. Is there a good Pokemon romhack that makes the difficulty not retarded? I don't want something super difficult, because it is a kids game, just something that requires me do something other than mash A through battles.

There was literally no problem me and my Venausaur couldn't solve with Solar Beam.

>>715930608
renegade platinum & blaze black 2 former has a following pokemon version iirc

>>715930775
Renegade Platinum seems perfect. I'll check it out. Thanks.

The only time Pokemon ever challenged me as a kid was that fucking bitch with her Miltank and the Elite 4.

>>715927349
Yeah I don't understand people who cling to the starter either, like obviously if you're a little kid you're gonna use it but then you'll see a grownass man with like
>Starter Pokemon
>The other two starter types they didn't pick
>The Bird
>The late evolving dragon

Like it's a formula they're following

pokemon (and all rpgs) should remove levels and standardise the values so that everything just has the base stats it would have once it's fully leveled

honestly levels are the single shittest video game idea ever, i cannot believe the novelty of seeing an exp bar or numbers go up is still ruining games after decades, like surely your brain should just get compeltely desensitised to it at this point? most games are balanced around your expected level and compeltely fall appart once you go ~5 levels outside of that range so what point does it serve other than to add grinding or completely trivialise the game?

nuzlockers use the rule that you can't over level, effectively standardising the levels. online battles standardise levels. the battle frontier standardise levels. these are all the places where pokemon battles shine, all by simply removing level from the equation. fuck levels, absolute dogshit mechanic in literally every single game it's included

>>715930759
Lolmao

>>715921654
Why is this idea that children do not deserve quality come from?

>>715895831 (OP)
I've played enough turn-based games to know that it's never going to be a fair fight unless the AI is allowed to cheat somehow, they were on the right track with this a few gens ago when enemies were able to send out 5 mons at a time with Intimidate or Totem mons summoning adds to help them out. Hell, it's good that Terastal boss pokemon can take cheat turns and clear out stat increases and shit, but they could still stand to be a little trickier than they are, as even the hardest event fights boil down to buffing up and then slamming their weakness with a shell bell

>"CAN YOU BEAT POKEMON GAME WITH X SHITTY POKEMON LIKE A WEEDLE??????"
>YES YOU CAN AFTER GRINDING 100 HOURS IN THE STARTING AREA AND REPEATING THE FIGHT 500 TIMES FOR GOOD RNG!!!
>this is literally every video in this genre
based

>>715931346
romhacks fixed difficulty without it feeling like cheating.
GF just intentionally nerf everything to retard levels

I beat the Elite 4 with a Metapod.

>>715897385
Does Fire Blast get one use or half a use? Does a pp up increase the pp by a flat 1, or is it the same incremental as the regular PP, meaning Fire Blast goes from 0.5 to 0.8 PP at +3?

>>715897402
Go play the hard mode of BW 2, or one of the billion pokemon romhacks that make the game more difficult and don't change anything else.

>>715895831 (OP)
>How can we fix this?
level caps that need to be raised by gym badges
Some shared exp
Pokemon Clover did a great job of making me want to choose a good team of 6.

>>715931624
they cap at 4 mons max in challenge mode
also isn’t it literally broken and rewards more exp despite not raising the opponent’s stats, making the game easier?

>>715895831 (OP)
this doesn't happen except to 4 year olds, if you use even a modicum of foresight you can choose to do other things

>>715895831 (OP)
honestly I'm not sure. As somebody who has played a ton of romhacks they all have similar problems. It all stems from the fact that pokemon's combat only really shines when you have to go through a gauntlet if similarly powered teams, but the moment to moment gameplay isn't all that great in facilitating that. It's sort of uncanny how stadium is essence of that idea but you can't just slap that onto the main games. You probably need separate styles for trainer battles and wild battles, have the regular trainers be more gimmicky, and radically alter how leveling works but that's just me throwing shit at a wall

>>715895879
/thread
Everything that has been mentioned itt is extremely fucking obvious, and GF knows it. They hate their retard adult playerbase, and they take pleasure in making them sperg out. And you'll still buy it.

>>715931139
truth warhead

>>715897127
lol

>>715895879
fippy bippy

>>715931892
Strictly speaking the higher levels do make the opposing mons tougher (damage calculation takes level into consideration) but yeah the extra exp arguably defeats the point of a hard mode (though on the flip side it means less grinding required to reach level thresholds.)

>>715931968
Split Pokemon into two halves
>Pet simulator mode, wild battles still exist but otherwise you're mostly training your mons, caring for them, and exploring areas with them to find items, money, etc.
>Pokemon stadium esque gauntlets where you have to defeat several trainers before fighting the gym leader.
Honestly with how much the series likes to beat you over the head with this idea of "Pokemon are your friends", it does shockingly little with anything that isn't ramming your pet into another guy's pet in glorified cock fighting matches.

>>715895831 (OP)
If I'm playing a gen 3 or 4 game I usually box my starter. Too many of my favorites are in these gens and I like to actually build a team with guys I like and evenly level them. Trying to metagame an rpg for children who's whole gimmick is collecting creatures is boring as shit.

>>715896009
Swampert's only weakness is grass.
Only like four mandatory pokemon total have grass moves in Hoenn.
Not four types of pokemon. FOUR INDIVIDUAL POKEMON. And one of them is in the elite four, but only one!

>>715931346
Half the difficulty of raids is the time limit and your worthless AI partners

Is Pokemon the only game for children that still has 30 year old autists complaining it's too easy? Like you don't see anybody complaining that Magic School Bus Explores The Ocean is too easy or anything like that.

>>715895831 (OP)
If I were to play only one Pokemon game, which game should that be?

>>715939558
Pokemon channel

>>715939558
Pokemon ranch

>>715939558
emerald (the only correct answer)

>>715895831 (OP)
Remove all forms of XP sharing
If you want levels you have to fight for them, it's the only way

>>715895831 (OP)
bench exp which happened 3 gens ago.

>>715895831 (OP)
Don't play like an idiot toddler.

Shhhh OP... I'm hunting Stantler...

>>715895831 (OP)
That's literally my setup as a kid, I finished the game very easily.
Several years later after I learned about using balanced team, I got fucked up and lost few battles.

>>715895879
you misspelled VOID Interactive

>>715940250
I hope ZA is decent

>>715896009
>literally just learn a 80+ damage move that counters the Gym's type and sweep every fight with the starter anyway

>>715895831 (OP)
im still asshurt at how butchered the gen 4 remakes were and how it’ll never get another one

>>715944312
What did you expect?

>>715944678
at least something on par with the previous remakes. new designs for the characters, pokemon from gens 5-8, the region maps brought up to scale with the current switch games, etc. even one of those things would have been nice.

instead we got diamond and pearl but uglier for $60 and they couldnt even bother to implement following pokemon correctly.

oras is rightfully criticized for being piss easy and not adapting emerald’s additions (frontier, gym rematches, etc.)
but at least
>Better visual aesthetics
>National Dex with every Pokemon up to Gen 6
>PSS, Super Training, Amie (effects not forced)
>DexNav
>Optional Exp Share
>Is generally just a more polished game
all for $20 cheaper than bdsp and released years earlier