>turn on Japanese game
eeeeeeee sugoiii!!! subarashiiiii! kawaii desu ne! :)
>turn off Japanese game

>>715929141 (OP)
kek, it do be like that

>Don't even turn on American game
>You knew it was going to be shit 7 years before it released

>eeeeeeee sugoiii!!! subarashiiiii! kawaii desu ne! :)

I have cat fatigue.

>>715929141 (OP)
this is me after finished e33 and wanted to try more jrpg. fastest refund I've ever done. it was atelier ryza

>>715932561
NAME 1 (one) game where they actually say those things.

>>715933087
it's actually not ok to be gay

>turn on western game
>DIE CIS MALE SOOOOOO IM NON BINARY TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS
>go to jail for turning off western game (hate speech)

>everyone and their dog recommends Jap game for years
>give in and try it
>nearly die of cringe
Every damn time.

>turn on localised game
>uuuuwwwwwaaaa ITADAKIMASU WE MEAN TO SAY A HORSE NEVER PASSES UP A HOT STEW. GRUB UP!

>turn on japanese game
>"Aaaah! Takeshi-san! NIGGEROOOO!

>>715929141 (OP)
This shit ruined MH Rise
Too much weebshit didn’t even make it 10 hours in

There are Japanese games (Dark Souls, Resident Evil, Metal Gear) and then there are anime games (Tales of Arise, Xenoblade, Fire Emblem)

>>715929141 (OP)
I you don't like this, you are NOT my nigga.

>>715933980
Based and categorypilled. One side makes “games” and the other makes 30-hour puberty simulators with sparky hair and friendship speeches every 15 minutes. Only one of these made me feel like a hollowed-out corpse in Blighttown and loved it.

>>715929141 (OP)
>turn on american game
ERMMM DID THAT JUST FUCKING HAPPEN-SAUCE????
>turn off american game

>>715933980
"Anime" is not a style or genre.

It's literally just the Japanese word for cartoons, that's it. There is no difference

>>715933980
>Dark Souls, Resident Evil, Metal Gear
All anime.

>>715937840
First of all, all of those games I listed literally have anime artstyles, so yes, "anime games" is an appropriate descriptor. Secondly, I'll admit that if you want to be autistic about it, "shonen games" is more accurate to say. They have the cringey juvenile melodramatic writing of shonen anime and that's why people above a certain emotional intelligence can't enjoy them

>>715938081
Shonen isn't a style or genre either. It's a category, which anime/manga has five.

Kodomo: Stuff aimed at children
Shonen: Stuff aimed at boys
Shojo: Stuff aimed at girls
Seinen: Stuff aimed at adult men
Josei: Stuff aimed at adults women

>>715937946
They're unmistakably Japanese, but they're not "(shonen) anime". They actually make an attempt to appeal to a western audience with critical thinking instead of doing lowbrow "highschool boy kills god with his big titty harem" for the millionth time

>>715938081
You are retarded, shonen is a target demographic, not a genre

>>715937840
Hey, midwinter, the entire world outside of Japan disagrees.
It's like saying Swedish meatballs aren't a specific thing because they're just called meatballs in Sweden.

>>715938157
Shonen is made for teenaged boys, meaning everything about the writing is made to appeal to teenaged boys. I.e. if you're not a teenager, you're probably gonna find it cringey. It's basically the Japanese equivalent of a YA novel. Yeah, "YA novel" isn't a genre, but the term alone gives you a good idea of the level of quality you're dealing with

>>715938254
The world isn't divided into "Japan" and everywhere else

Stuff from Japan isn't a separate genre

>>715938305
Target audience has no impact on quality. See: the fact that despite being aimed at teenagers, more adults watch/read shonen than stuff actually aimed at them (seinen and josei)

>>715938305
Target audience alone means absolutely nothing

There are shonen action series, mystery series, sports series, romcoms, etc.

Dragon Ball, Death Note, and Rent-A-Girlfriend are all shonen, and what do they have in common? Nothing

>>715938362
>See: the fact that despite being aimed at teenagers, more adults watch/read shonen than stuff actually aimed at them (seinen and josei)
Is this supposed to prove something? All it proves to me is that there's a bunch of manchildren in the world who watch shit made for literal children

>>715938470
It shows that despite being made for teenagers, shonen is still more appealing to adults than actual seinen anime (such as Berserk and K-On)

>>715933980
>Metal Gear
youtube.com/watch?v=jnZQgilbi1s

>>715938081
Dark Souls, Metal Gear, and Resident Evil are all extremely "shonen"

>>715929141 (OP)
>Start up game
>Hear the overly familiar sounds of the only handful of voice actors ever used in America
>A goddamn fucking YouTuber joins in next
>They all start doing "The anime voice", guys are pitching their voices nasally, girls are speaking as if they're breathless
>FUCK!
>Go to settings
>Immensely switch to Japanese voices
>Blood pressure lowers, heart rate returns to normal, migrane disappears
>Comforted in a blanket of quality voice acting, I look at the timer
"Wow, I lasted almost 40 seconds this time! That's a new record!:

>>715938524
Shonen is still more appealing to MANCHILDREN. Not adults. What don't you get about that? I feel like I'm arguing with a bot here

>>715938610
>They all start doing "The anime voice", guys are pitching their voices nasally,

What the fuck are you talking about, dub male voices are almost exclusively unfittingly deep for the characters

>>715938081
>Somehow Resident Evil, Dark Souls and Metal Gear aren't shounen
You... uh... you know Death Note, Kagurabachi, Fist of the North Star and JJK are all shounen, right?

>>715938585
Dark Souls is in the vein of classic dark fantasy literature like Conan the Barbarian and Elric of Meliborune. Resident Evil is in the vein of self-aware campy B-horror movie schlock like Evil Dead. Metal Gear is a political spy thriller in the vein of James Bond and 80s action movies like Rambo. They're all very western. Not comparable to your typical Japslop at all

>>715938670
Right off the top of my head, P4 Yosuke

>>715929141 (OP)
>turn on american game
inb4 yes canada is a north american slop nation

>>715938610
>handful of voice actors ever used in America

This meme hasn't been true in over a decade, especially as non-union voice acting becomes more common

>>715938802
>They're all very Western
>Which is why the characters all have Japanese sensibilities
>And react with Japanese mannerisms
>And spout Japanese idioms
>And make references to Japanese tropes?
Next you'll tell me Fist of the North Star is Western too.

What about Saint Seiya? Where's that from, South America?

>>715938802
Anime has been influenced by Western media since forever, it's still anime

>>715938858
>Instead of only using C-Listers they're now using C-Listers AND YouTubers
Wow, you really showed me.

Can't wait to hear Pokimaine's rendition of the breathless, female anime voice.

>>715933983
https://files.catbox.moe/8tdtcu.mp4

>>715938919
>They're all very Japanese
>which is why all of the characters are explicitly white
>and, in Dark Souls's and Resident Evil's cases, don't even have Japanese voice acting. Exclusively English
Yes, they're truly pillars of Japanese culture. Totally comparable to FoTNS

>Dark Souls isn't anime

>>715929141 (OP)
Toxotransmosis moment.

>>715938981
What I'm saying is that the majority of mainstream lowest-common-denominator anime simply isn't good. At least in the sense that it doesn't appeal to Westerners above a certain maturity level. Japanese media can still be good if it either replicates Western sensibilities (Ghost in the Shell, Berserk, Silent Hill), or handles its own history and culture in a more tactful way (i.e. Kurosawa movies, Perfect Blue, Ninja Scroll, Grave of the Fireflies). But if the Japanese media industry stays churning out primarily shonen slop, it'll never be any more respectable than capeshit

>>715939308
Once again, there's no such thing as "shonen". It's a target demographic, not a style or genre. It simply means that it's written for boys, the same way shojo is written for girls, seinen for men, and josei for women

They're all the same thing, just written for different audiences

And capeshit is a bad comparison because capeshit hasn't been aimed at kids or teenagers in over a decade

>>715939436
Shonen, capeshit, and YA novels all generally have the same quality of writing

>>715939490
Capeshit writing might be ever so slightly better. At least when it comes to the overarching story.

>>715939490
Quality of writing varies greatly even within works aimed at the same demographic, so that means nothing.

Capeshit is a bad comparison because there's nothing like it in Japan. Not even battle shonen, the most popular kind, shares any similarities with capeshit.

>>715939308
>it'll never be any more respectable than capeshit
thank god, I don't want any more pseuds analyzing the exact same list of "mature" anime

>>715939632
Capeshit stopped being good when its target audience shifted from kids to adults

If superhero stuff was still just fun stories for kids, it'd be better

>>715939672
Capeshit is the perfect comparison to the majority of action-based shonen. It's simple, boring, formulaic, juvenile, huge money cows, designed by corporate boards instead of artists, and made for literal children, yet is frighteningly popular with "adults" (and third worlders). How are they NOT comparable?

>>715939823
They're fundamentally different. Capeshit revolves around characters who were born special. A superhero isn't something you can just "become".

Whereas in battle shonen, these powers are typically something everyone can achieve through training. The protagonist isn't special just because he has powers, he's special for other reasons.

There's a huge difference between powers you're born with and powers you gained by working for them.

>>715929141 (OP)
https://youtu.be/8c9ZqwyN5vU

>>715938305
Yes, and by the way, this would be categorized as a 'seinen game', a game for adults.

>>715939926
>The protagonist isn't special just because he has powers, he's special for other reasons.
A capeshit fanboy would say the same thing. Also holy shit I am literally arguing with an alien-brained autist right now. You're missing the point entirely. I'm saying the two genres, of capeshit and battle shonen, are fundamentally childish. You trying to argue against that by saying "b-but shonen is about training, they're COMPLETELY different" is the ultimate proof of just how autistic and out-of-touch weebs are with normal human thinking. You're literally aliens

>>715940132
>Superheros: Exist in a world where they and the villains they fight are the only ones with powers
>Battle shonen protagonist: Typically exist in worlds where even normal people have powers or can develop them through training

That is a massive difference.

Another example of an adult seinen game.

>>715939926
Lol in most shonen shit the main character is a borderline messianic figure that every other character orbits around. Also a lot of screaming, villains that never die and preach about how the main character should get stronger, and retarded plots.

>>715940593
No, that only applies to a small minority of battle shonen, which don't even make up 10% of the shonen demographic

>>715929141 (OP)
So glad E33 came out and exposed how dogshit and cringe actuaj JRPGs really are

>>715940921
Except E33 is a love letter to JRPGs made by people who grew up playing them. It copies them to a T. Every popular JRPG trope in the book is present in E33.

>>715932561
I have tranimal fatigue

>>715940673
Okay, so what's not "battle shonen"?. Every "shonen" I've seen are very similar. Naruto, One Piece, Dragon Ball, Demon Slayer, One Punch Man, etc

>>715929141 (OP)
>Can you believe this? I heard a woman sounding enthusiastic and high pitched! (feminine) They should all sound like they smoke 10 packs a day and put zero emotion in their lines!

>>715942283
Women don't talk like this in real life. None do. It's cringy and embarrassing.

Gives me the ick even.

>>715943010
The whole point of anime is being better than real life, because real people suck

>learn enough Japanese to play older NES/SNES games
The beautiful days of no shitty high-pitched female voice acting.
Then again all I do is watch 水曜日のダウンタウン instead of anime anyways

>>715942069
One Punch Man isn't shonen, it's seinen, and it's a parody, not a legitimate action series

Like the other Anon said, "shonen" is just the Japanese word for boy and used to refer to anime/manga aimed at that demographic.

"Battle shonen" is kind of a dumb term anyway, there's already a genre for that, it's called martial arts

Basically, "not battle shonen" is anything labeled shonen that isn't action-focused

>>715933980
Both RE and MGS are japanese cringe. Only Dark Souls is normal because Miyazaki is so smitten with western lit that he has grown averse to shounen anime cringe.

>>715938610
Pretty much all my experiences trying out burger dub

>>715939926
>characters who were born special
In every battle shonen it's eventually revealed the mc was special all along. Naruto, Dragonball, One Piece, so on and on

>>715929141 (OP)
>turn on Japanese game
>"eat your burgers apollo"
ugh...