Will it be good, or will it flop?

>Curse of the parry slop

>>715953287 (OP)
Arpg of the decade

>>715953352
How is this any different from standing around waiting to dodge?

>>715953287 (OP)
Just let it go anon, modern Team Ninja is not the same company that made Nioh 2. You'll get a Ronin reskin.

>>715953397
Kin-Oh

>Rise of the Ronin has a bunch of characters with unique weapons
>Guy with Sword and Shield
>Guy with massive totem thing
>Girl with whip blade
>all of them have unique movesets, unique skills and even tutorial videos for each skill and combo
>they're never touched outside of the few times you can use those characters in specific missions
>not even 1% of the game you can use them
???????????????

>>715953415
But stranger of paradise was great. As was ronin (despite open world).

>>715953415
>reskin
You can't do that to the chosen people.

>>715953461
>>not even 1% of the game you can use them
If you can bring them as an ally in literally every main mission, is that really 1%?

>>715953536
Yes, cos those missions are tiny and barely take up like 1% of the games time.

>during alpha we get non stop nioh threads with actual discussions and hopes for the game
>post alpha only threads are shitposting
Can we just get a beta already

>>715953287 (OP)
Will it have a good waifu creator?

>>715953583
Lmao anon you're retarded

>>715953287 (OP)
It will have the biggest third derivative of the sales numbers, but will be forgotten in a month.

>>715953601
just look in the mirror, sissy

>>715953684
Looks pretty based

>>715953287 (OP)
Im 100% sure it will be good, but it feels like a DKC3 situation, where most of the creative decisions will hurt it too much to be the best, and in the eye of many, perhaps the worst of the 3, still good though.

>>715953381
Dodging doesn't stagger the enemy, damage the enemy's second health bar and recover your stamina at the same time.

>>715953684
Okay, now what?

>>715953287 (OP)
Looks good. I'll probably dump 400+ hours into it like I did with 2.

>>715953761
Neither does the block in nioh 3? At best it negates ki usage with a perfect block. This thread is about nioh btw, not ronin

Really hope it has an expansive character creator.

Making weird shit is always fun.

>>715953287 (OP)
Both. It will flop, but will still be a good game.

>>715953287 (OP)
The test was great so I think it will be as good as Nioh 1 and 2. Still feels like Nioh.

Really hope it has an expansive character creator.
Making weird shit is always fun.

>>715953889
Perfectly balanced

>>715953761
Dodging in Nioh does provide benefits like that, though admittedly I can't recall what else other than ki recovery.

>>715953287 (OP)
>Will it be good, or will it flop?
Yes to both

>>715953352
>blessing of the parry kino

>>715953287 (OP)
All the criticisms from alpha will be taken on board and the game will be ramped up and entirely inaccessible to cattle leading to a flop. To the rest of us it will be game of the decade

What's next after it flops, Jacker of Jackadise 2?

>>715953616
Of course it will.

Is there any chance at all the soundtrack will be at least half as good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MeHaP7pTtg

>>715954085
Sop2 would be an instant pre order for me

>>715954135
I feel nioh character creator is much better than ronin, or is it the lighting issue?

>>715953415
That facial expression is of a man getting a tit wank from Fuku.

>>715954224
Fuku? Fukme

>>715954135
instant buy

>>715954251
>Fuku? Fukme
The Japanese have funny names.

>>715954376
I'm something of a jizamurai myself

>>715954168
Why would it be any different?

>>715954168
>>715954474
If its anything like nioh 1 > 2 jump then they'll likely repurpose a lot of tracks from 1/2

>>715953287 (OP)
I know I'll buy it. I'll likely enjoy it. Nioh 2 is so much fun, it won't win any awards and won't sell gangbusters. I have faith though

>>715954135
Sliders, PLEASE.

>>715954693
>Sliders, PLEASE.
Nobody knows.

>>715953287 (OP)

>>715954813
Fighting demons in broad daylight looks kinda wrong.

>>715954865
Did you just skip nioh 2?

>>715954904
There aren't many daytime levels, and none of them are as bright as that webm.

>>715954865
I'll take literally anything over all the bright red filters.

>>715954965
I think you're misremembering anon

>>715953381
I haven't played Nioh 3 yet, but generally parry mechanics in all of these games are just "i win" buttons compared to dodging. They make all other defensive mechanics irrelevant because of their ease and reward ratio.

Sekiro was a mistake.

>>715955284
You can't parry everything, you know that right?

>>715955284
I don't think you're able to give a reason for why the parry being the baseline is worse than dodging being the baseline at all. Assuming you have actually played a game that mainly involves parrying and you're not just repeating buzzwords like most posters.

>>715954813
I see the series still looks like aids.

>>715955336
>>715955336
You can in RotR.

>>715955621
Parry isn't a problem in itself. What is the problem is that there's a big fucking red aura and sound telling you to counter because it's the best move to do so. Apply that to every enemy turns them practically into the same enemy. THAT'S THE CORE OF THE PROBLEM. All the other parry systems are great.

>>715955621
But we're discussing nioh?

Why is everyone so sure this game will flop? What did I miss?

>>715956253
>What did I miss?
Their previous games were flops, and this one seems like it's going to be the same.

>>715956438
What do you define as a flop?
WO Long sold a million despite being on gaypass and Ronin sold around 2 million on PS5 alone.

>>715956253
Are you sure about it being everyone?

>>715953287 (OP)
Flop of the year for sure

Never played Nioh but snatched the first one on the summer sale.

What am I in for? I've been itching for an rpg with diablo-like itemization. Is it hard or obnoxiously hard?

Anyone played that Warriors: Abyss game? It looks like overpriced slop but I feel a bit baited by the fact that it has Ninja Gaiden DLC...
(Didn't even create a signle new asset for it lol, they look exactly like in NG"B)

>>715956874
>Google images bait

>>715956253
Team ninja keep making flop after flop since ninja gaiden 2
Idk why /v/ dickride nioh so much

>>715956253
>everyone
The same 3 fags who keep shitting up these threads =/= everyone

>>715957040
Game is ball-bustingly hard until you get past Umi-bozu.
After him though, things become a lot more manageable. He's the third boss in I think.

i kinda feel bad for parry haters, it's clearly a sour grape situation and they can't do anything because it's mostly genetics, but trust me, it's so satisfiying is like a click of pleasure in the brain at each parry and you feel in flow with your character and immersed in the fight

>deflect and perfect dodge give you ki regen, no ki damage to the opponent
Parryslop officially avoided. Apologies accepted from who lied.

>>715957370
I don't think that most discussion on /v/ actually reflects what people think about the games they discuss

>>715957040
Do footsies instead of i-frame spamming. You can literally walk out of most enemy attacks because they don't have insane tracking and shockwaves like in Souls games, most of them at least

>>715957686
There is plenty of tracking in Nioh where it shouldn't exist.

>>715957957
>saito
Poor example since he was intentionally designed by the dev to break every convention and piss the player off

>>715958125
Not interested in your excuses.

>>715958185
That's fine, it's still best in genre

Wow, this boss was complete dogshit, how tf are you supposed to fight her when she spams AoE's non-stop, I barely survived, ran out of elixirs. And I'm assuming there's a second harder fight later on.

>>715957051
Yeah I played it for like 20 hours when they added the NG characters. It's actually pretty good. Literally just Hades but with musou style enemies. The builds and setups you can come up with have a lot of variety and feel very rewaring to see your plan come together each run, and even better if you get some lucky drops. The Ninja Gaiden characters are all very fun to use. It sucks that they don't have new artwork for them, the whole game's roster is actually made out of reused assets. But they did get all the voice actors back so you get to hear new voice lines from Ryu and his girls. It's not a brilliant game but it's a nice little thing to get semi-addicted to for a few runs. I'd pick it up on a sale

>>715958586
Literally just low stance dash out of the way

>>715958775
She never lets the fuck up. You get in range, she just anime slashes and deletes 70% of your HP. It's really hard to see any telegraphing with all the particle spam going on. I summoned a blue (5 swords, mind you) and it died in 30 sec lmaooo

>>715958968
She'll do a little sword twirl over her head before she does her virgil sheathe move. That's your que to put some distance between you. The other attacks she does you can time a low stance through the attack towards her side. Try dodging towards her and around. Beyond that she still complies with human rules if you really want to cheese.

never played Ronin nor got to touch the demo for 3, but what's the camera like in 3
Ronin apparently looks much improved

>>715953287 (OP)
I'll buy it anyway

>>715959190
>run at yokai and do a 1kat high stance heavy to horn break into grapple
Nothing personal

>>715959190
Really was a different beast.

>>715959190
I'm really not a fan of that DS2 esque lock on movement, glad they removed it

>>715953287 (OP)
Parryslop will never be good.

>>715956816
Steven Seagal channeling Takeda Shingen while perfecting fighting from chair

>>715961127
You must be happy that we're getting more nioh instead of parry slop then

Be honest, did you ever see Team Ninja coming back after they lost Itagaki? Most of their output in the years following ranged from mediocre (NG3RE) to fucking awful (Yaiba, vanilla NG3, Other M).

>>715962056
>itagaki
People act like he's some golden goose but post TN he made garbage. TN has been struggling for identity but nioh/sop are great games

>>715962056
>Other M
Huh, never knew that was Team Ninja, thought it was in-house. Does the game have any Ninja Gaiden elements? I skipped it due to the bad press/player feedback, but might check it out sometime in the future.

>>715962056
I never paid any attention to Team Ninja until Nioh. The Ninja Gaiden games have always looked repetitive to play. Just waves and waves of the same enemies. At the time I was into God of War because of the setting and variety. For all the shit they get, at least they're not boring, and the puzzle sections are a nice bit of downtime before a boss or more enemies.

>>715963130
As a kid I never played much action on ps2 but nioh for me was like a gateway into TN which was a gateway into action shit. I disagree with the other anon and think all their stuff is good

>>715961229
Least Shingen knows how to fight

While it is understandable that some people are irritated that this is yet again the same Sengoku Era, I do like the fact that characters that were lightly touched upon in previous games are now being fully fleshed out design wise. Nioh has been my only gateway into the Sengoku Period, so for me it's also about getting to experience more history, as well as amazing interpretations of these historical characters.

>>715953381
In the worst case scenario you never have to do anything other than parry. Just wait until a stance break and the boss is dead.

In the best case scenario of a dodge system, dodging has no iframes and you actually have to avoid the hitbox depending on the attack

>>715953397
Wo Long was gay and this looks like shit.
So it wasn't just a coincidence that all their Nioh like games were mediocre flops.

>>715954813
this looks a bit better

Takeda Shingen's drip is amazing.

I never played a Nioh game or Rise of the Ronin. What would you recommend? I need something new for the summer.

I wonder if we're going to have the opportunity to spar with Tokugawa Ieyasu in Nioh 3? Be interesting to see what weapon Team Ninja would give him. Obviously he would be a living weapon boss with two spirits.

>>715962056
They never came back

>>715953287 (OP)
I thought 1 was pretty cash. Never got around to 2. Think I should skip it and go with 3? If I do play 2, I'll need a few years due to burnout.

>>715964786
Nioh 2 is far better than Ronin, it's the most popular game in the fandom by far. Nioh 1 is fine too but mostly outclassed by 2.

Note that these games are pretty hard, much harder than From Soft games, so keep that in mind. No difficulty options either.

>>715953287 (OP)
None of the other games were good so why would this be good

I want RotR stances
GIVE ME THE STANCES
I won't go back to 1 and 2kat being iai spam

>>715964643
I hope they have us fight a double. Gotta have it if Shingen is involved

>>715966528
>I hope they have us fight a double
Why a doppelganger?

>>715953287 (OP)
This series is too complex
Too many buttons, ki pulsing, builds and stats, frame tech

>>715956695
They have low scores from both journos and players and sell poorly (Ronin was supposed to have 5+ millions copies sold).

>>715953287 (OP)
It'll be good sure but as a sequel to nioh 3 it feels like a real let down, have no idea what they are thinking with this samurai/ninja split it's just so lame

>>715966429
iai in RotR is the coolest stance

>>715966847
Don't worry since they added a retard mode where you don't have to worry about stances or ki pulsing

>>715953287 (OP)
>body type 3
>good
No.

>>715962056
They'll never recover what they really lost with Itagaki (style and a clear vision) they still don't really have their own identity and alot of their recent games feel like they're very mechanically insecure.

>>715954813
Just look at how unreadable and bland this looks, you used to be able to point to TN as being on the forefront of graphics and style

>>715967039
Since when do journo scores matter?

>>715968173
They matter to Koei since they bitched about the Ronin's bad reviews several times.

>>715967039
Thought you might find this interesting that Wo Long has a higher critic and player score on Metacritic than Nightrein. Would you say Nightrein flopped harder than Wo Long?

>>715967167
It's good because we can contain the iai-faggots in their box and have good combat with the other stances

>>715966692
The concept of a decoy/double is closely associated to Takeda Shingen because of the film Kagemusha. In the film, the doubt and uncertainty over Shingen's death is portrayed through the use of a double. The references to Shingen in Nioh 2 also play on the "wtf I thought he was dead, is that really him?" discourse that spawned from the fact nobody is sure how he actually died in history.

>>715968613
???
Nightreign is a fucking coop mod that is outselling the actual new games, it's a massive success compared to Whoa Long.

>>715969148
But you said that scores, not sales, determine a flop

>>715969312
I said that both matter.

>>715969395
So nightrein is a flop because it sold a lot but has bad scores

>>715956695
Where did you get the 2 million number from? they never revealed any numbers and even if you analyze the financial documents it only adds up to around a million.

>>715953381
When it's done correctly, it allows the player to not be stuck in the "Your turn my turn" loop. Unfortunately, the only game that has done it correctly is Sekiro, where deflecting builds up to being able to kill the boss, along with both dodging and parrying being able to cancel normal attack animations, allowing the player to sneak in hits and not just have to wait out combos. Every other game throws in parrying, but it always acts as just a shittier dodge because it can't cancel basic actions, has a tighter window, and at best staggers the enemy for a second or two or after a millennium "breaks" the enemy weapon and causes them to do 10% less damage. This means the player is still stuck in the shitty, "Your turn, my turn" loop, and even worse, to get anything out of the parry they have to sit around not being proactive with attacks or combos because they can't cancel into a parry.

>>715953465
Ronin was shit. Not only did it look like it belonged as a first year PS3 title, but every enemy was just a damage spongey robot. It sucked.

Are any skills for regular sword aside from iai worth using at all? The combat got old for me when I couldn't find a way to kill enemies faster.

>>715969673
Wo long and ronin sold bad, have low scores and are only loved by the extreme team ninja drones. Nightreign is nowhere near as bad.

>>715970847
I use all skills but don't pay attention to the killing speed.

>>715971504
It has a lower score thougheverbeit

>>715958586
>keep attacking her when she has yellow sword
>stay back a safe distance and attack her when she is done attacking

WOAH SO HARD

>>715971652
Not on Steam thoughkugawa.