What's the hardest turn based JRPG you've played?

>>715978798 (OP)
Smt4:a is that rare breed of challenging but fair while also being engaging. Can't think of any others like that

The Legend of Legacy.
Not because it's hard (green dragon aside), but because of the final boss lag makes it all but impossible to complete.

>>715978798 (OP)
Final Fantasy II

>>715978798 (OP)
Etrian Odyssey 1 Untold.

>>715978798 (OP)
Final Fantasy 4 DS

>>715978798 (OP)
SMT Strange Journey
Idk if it's the hardest game ever but it was a refreshing scale up in difficulty coming from pokemon shit

>>715979589
Play pixel remaster and turn off the encounters.
>>715978798 (OP)
I have to say Natural Doctrine. I have absolutely no idea wtf am I supposed to do, and/or how to play this game.

>>715978798 (OP)
Etrian Odyssey 1 Untold on Classic Mode is actually nuts

>>715980119
>just trying to get to the next shortcut
>blindside
>entire front row, including Protector, instakilled
>try to escape with 2 people
>mobs fucking go before you can even escape and kill you
>try again
>blindside, entire front row, including Protector insta-killed
>this time they didn't use their priority fuck you move, so you get 2 chances to escape
>they both fail
>try again...
I fucking hate the 3rd stratum.

i saw someone on /v/ say earthbound was too hard yesterday lol

>>715978798 (OP)
Joker 3 Pro becomes insane in the new areas
the final boss rematches are probably some of the hardest but fair fights I've ever seen in any jrpg

>>715978798 (OP)
Which game on the bottom left?

>>715980438
The 3rd stratum is a massive difficulty spike in classic because you don't get to do the story mode dungeon so every single enemy rapes you when you first enter the stratum

>>715981608
Romancing SaGa 3

SNES version.

>>715978798 (OP)
I want to have sex with that thing on the top left.

>>715978798 (OP)
DQ8 actually challenged me at multiple points. Died on the first boss like a lot of people did.

Library of Ruina and Genius of Sappheiros.
The steam release did made GOS a lot easier in terms of grinding, but it's still hard.
Ruina got 30m+ long battles that are easy to lose if you fuck up a single turn.

>>715981747
>because you don't get to do the story mode dungeon
Really? I thought story mode was harder because you were locked into a shitty party setup.

>>715983082
no it's baby's first dungeon crawler mode.

>>715983082
Nah, Gunner and Highlander are fucking nuts and while it's annoying to reclass doing that gets you to a serviceable party. Really Simon just needs to become a Troubadour instead.

FF4 DS with no guide

>>715980749
Is Joker 3 pro in English now?

>>715982462
Thanks. That's the only one in the collage I haven't played.
>>715982853
Is Ruina worth it if I hate deck builders? From the stuff I've seen it seems to do enough to stand out from the typical deckbuilder slop but I'm still not sure.

>>715979040
How does it compare to Nocturne? In terms of difficulty and in general.

>>715983950
i can't speak for the nocturne remake, but iv a tends to be a lot nicer to play on account of not having so much of the bullshit and tedium of nocturne (which, admittedly, is part of its charm). being able to choose skills, having consistent bosses that can't just oneshot you if they decide that's what they want to do that turn, easy compendium management, overworld enemies as opposed to random encounters — it ends up being easier to enjoy iv a, even if the atmosphere and story is a LOT worse

>>715983950
IV:A has a lot less bullshit, but there's still a few bosses that'll whoop your ass enough to make you consider building dedicated counters.

>>715984298
>overworld enemies as opposed to random encounters
I unironically prefer random encounters.

When the devs are actual literal psychopaths

>>715983574
HP Up Augment is mandatory to be given to Rosa, in order to survive a Big Bang from Zeromus. Discovered that alone.

>>715984898
It's not too bad if you don't fall for the falseflag that is the opening rounds and actually buff your team preemptively to survive the real fight.
Final bosses in the more recent games like FP Firebringer or Beyond One World are just sadistic though.

>>715983574
I had this as a kid and it filtered me hard

>>715984898
U rike?

>>715986140
(NTA)
Yes. I actually bought some of those multiple times on multiple systems.

>inb4 where is SF2 remake
Digital I played; I'm still waiting for my phys *Switch* copy.

>>715978798 (OP)
EO:U2 classic mode
fuck you fatlus what the FUCK were you thinking

>>715980119
this but 2. The game was balanced around the BUSTED donut steel classes

>>715983082
>shitty party
the party is OP as shit and can handle everything the game has easily

>>715978798 (OP)
The Seven Heroes in Romancing SaGa 2 (SNES, not the remake)

Alchemists are a fun and balanced class.

>>715978798 (OP)
I don't recall Apocalypse being very hard

>>715983950
I think 4A is the only JRPG I've ever played that actually builds the main story expecting you to reach max level
YHVH's a son of a bitch of a final boss

>>715987341
It was a long fight but I don't remember it being much trouble. Asahi just kept triggering smirks for me so it was free even if it took a while.

>>715986847
>He can't into party building
Anon, every single class in 2U is insanely strong except for maybe Highlander and Ronin (which are still good, but we're comparing them to rest of the classes in 2U)

>>715980119
What's the difference between Untold and the original?

>>715987578
The game is astronomically harder without fafnir. Urchild and urdevil are just a different level of torture

>>715987578
Highlander's at least got buffs that enable some cool things so even if their damage is kinda lackluster they always feel like they're doing something. Ronin has a couple builds where they have barely passable damage and that's it. Feels bad. I still beat EO2U with a Ronin in my party.

>>715987772
Too many to fit in 2000 characters, they're completely different games sharing a story and nobody cares about story in etrian games.

>>715987772
untold has 2 modes. Classic which is you make a party and play like normal. Story mode has a special team that is extremely powerful the game was rebalanced around. Also they added an extra dungeon that isn't in classic mode so you get to a certain point and everything is 5-7 levels higher than they should be

>>715978798 (OP)
Etrian Odyssey 1 post game. Prior to that it wasnt so bad honestly.

>>715979589
The only thing difficult about FF2 is the extreme boredom you will feel when you play it.

>>715987816
It's just as easy to kill Ur-Child in one salvo with Fafnir as it is with a Classic party. I do agree that Fafnir feels a lot better if you actually want to dance, but at that point you've already committed yourself to learning the proper counters to all of Ur-Child's moveset so it doesn't matter much if the fight takes a bit longer.

>>715984898
Scarlet Grace was so hard I couldnt even figure out how to progress or get Urpina to dual wield. I got filtered.

>>715987816
Fafnir is fucking stupid but every other class has insane builds and synergy potential.
Ur-Child is a fair fight if you know how to exploit the synergy potential.
Ur-Devil is a different story but even with Fafnir he's not a fun or fair fight.

>>715978798 (OP)
I don't really play 4 niggas in a row games anymore, so I guess the hardest one was FF4, I played the GBA one and the DS one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLs3CoxBvVc

I think I built the 2U story party wrong because I was constantly out of TP, I fought the TP bar harder than any boss.

>>715978798 (OP)
This is going to sound weird but Fairy Fencer F on the hardest difficulty(free DLC only) forced me to really git gud, I was getting my shit pushed in on the first dungeon.

>>715988323
I think the 2U story party is fun, but optimal is another story. Mostly it really needs a Hexer.

>>715983654
yes someone based leaked the finished script that faggot romhackers were withholding for retarded drama reasons and general attentio whoring and one guy (who also did a full mtl translation for the game) finished what little was left and made a patch
it's on the hshop courtesy of /dqg/

>>715988485
>This is going to sound weird but Fairy Fencer F on the hardest difficulty
Weird. I got bored with the game 5 hours in on the highest difficulty. Maybe I should go back and try again

>>715978798 (OP)
Supposedly FF6 has a great difficulty mod. I really want to try it out.

>>715988323
You're supposed to give Arianna Compression and melt everything with Link Order II
Bonus point if you reclass Chloe into an Alchemist to feed Link Order

>>715986760
>EO
they weren't thinking at all
the series is dead for a good reason

>>715988621
It's been aged but I distinctively remember that the free dlc had to be enabled to have this highest difficulty.

I also remember that Digimon Cybersluts, the first one, was really fucking hard towards the end, specially the post game colliseum. But that was more of an issue of balance, because enemy stats start getting really bloated so the only Digimons worth using were the ones with DEF piercing attacks.

I want to fuck Arianna so bad bros

>>715988803
Could be just me but it feels incredibly weird to alter classes of the story party. I know it's effective but it feels so wrong.

>>715988882
Cybersluts sucked ass because the endgame is
>how good is this mons unique skill

>>715988116
Souless! >!I actually think there us no wrong ranking for 2, its do bad it wraps back yo good gor some like a shitty hortor B movie!<

>>715978798 (OP)
Expedition 33 sweeps everything else in this thread

>NO MORE GAYS
What did Fafnir Knight mean by this?

>>715988960
>loads up Story mode
>reclasses everybody into 5 Gunners
It's gaming time.

>>715988996
Well yeah, a game with that many units always comes down to such things, but the difference between DEF piercing skills and everything else was way too wild.
I remember evolving my BlackWarGraymon and the resulting Digimon was better on paper, but was unusable on the endgame because it didn't have a DEF piercing attack and my BWG did.

>>715989142
E33 is extremely easy once you finish Act 1

>>715989262
Not on the fucking hands!

>>715978798 (OP)
I hate yggdrasil core because it's a fight that's like 98% preparation and grimoire grinding and maybe 2% fighting.

>>715989142
???? You can hit 9999 damage cap with Maelle an hour after you get her (2 hours into the game) and then you can one shot everything in the entire game after act 2.

>>715979589
II is not hard. Even ignoring the pixel remaster you just equip everyone with shields, grind for like 30 minutes, and then for the rest of the game you literally can't be hit.
FFIII is the hard FF game. Every boss is just pure rng. "Hope they don't go twice in a row with their party-wide spell".

>>715984898
I beat the first game recently (wsc version) and that original saruin is underrated as hell. same tier as 7 heroes.

>>715978798 (OP)
Undertale and Deltarune because I don't know how anybody can play these games without getting bored or falling asleep 10 minutes in.

but serious answer would be smt nocturne

>>715989639
(You)

>>715989416
A lot of EO Superbosses end up this way. So I keep fighting them with different parties until I find something nice. It usually doesn't work out. I've only beaten them with one or two parties.

>>715989407
This princess hurt his little baby hands by pressing R1 too much

>but serious answer would be smt nocturne

>>715989908
Yes

>>715989216
DEF piercing is better throughout the entire game. It fucking fucking absurd how much more damage the def piercing skills are

>>715989416
>grimoire grinding
you didn't beat the game

>>715990659
How does one beat ygg core without it?

Dissidia Final Fantasy Opera Omnia.
But since it EOSd before Stop Killing Games it is now lost to history aside from youtube videos and you have no way of knowing if what I am saying is truth or bullshit.

>>715990856
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47NYzuq0i-Y

>>715989908
Is this a blue collar thing Im too rich to understand? Fucking rights my hands hurt.

>>715991008
>(Guaranteed Grimoires Only)
This still counts as grimoire grinding.

>>715990871
superb SKG shilling anon. I am going to miss so many mobile games when they EOS. I hope more games get dragalia lost treatment and picked up by random autists

>>715991110
I disagree with your definition

>>715991142
>I hope more games get dragalia lost treatment and picked up by random autists
wait QRD? Is dragalia playable again? I loved my stupid diet ys game

>>715978798 (OP)

>>715988198
>He didn't find the Hyperbolic Fae Chamber
You missed out.

>>715991239
>Is dragalia playable again?
literally within a month after EOSing it came back online. They even told people how to pull your save before the game EOSd and implemented a way to ram your old save into it

>>715991359
Can you still pull the gacha?

There's a few examples I can recall being filtered by even decade(s) later where the rage simply has never gone away, but only one is in a 4 niggas game. Atelier Iris 1, the crystal boss at the top of the pyramid; I've played most of the classic jrpgs and for some reason this fight was the worst of any outside of wizardry games which are unfair as a point of the game and not actually designed to be a fun experience.

>>715978798 (OP)
Which games are these? I know the bottom right one which is SMT4:A

>>715991460
it is basically the full game. You can pull gacha and give yourself currency if you wish. Rotations and all. Co op works too but good luck finding a lobby without using discord

In my latest replay of 1U I've noticed you don't even have to fight dragons to fight ygg core, has anyone ever beat ygg core with level cap set to 70?

>>715991698
That would require an insane amount of luck/grinding I would think. Solos exist though

>>715991580
Sounds nice.

>>715991359
>>715991580
I have japanese artist friend that really loved the game way too much. I feel like I should tell him about this

Bump

>>715991008
>dude predicts exactly what the boss is gonna do each turn and pre-counters it
Might as well play a puzzle game at that point.

>>715994379
I mean, most JRPG superbosses boil down to that.
Demifiend and Elizabeth are basically, "you broke one of my arbitrary rules, now you die"

>>715994379
>>715994986
Atlus superbosses are just shit because of that design. It's just about figuring out what exact party set up you need for the puzzle.

>>715983950
I thought it was easier but fairly enjoyable, and I ended up enjoying the story way more than I thought I would going into it. Just turn off VAs for 4A and you're golden. That being said if you want harder than Nocturne, there were a few fights in 2 that game me more trouble, and I would say Strange Journey is (overall) harder.