Is it really the best platformer of all time?

mario if he 64

>>715986817 (OP)

No but it's pretty fun for being one of the first games to adapt the 2D hallway platformer into 3D space.

>>715986817 (OP)
no

>>715986817 (OP)
you don't have to bait to talk about a game.

>>715986817 (OP)
just look at that cover. can you not tell?

>>715986817 (OP)
No. Who the fuck is saying that?

>>715986817 (OP)
Nobody says this.

>>715988331
Your great grandfather

>>715986817 (OP)
Nah, 2 was better, though 1 was still pretty good and definitely memorable with the Save/Password System giving kids anxiety.

I liked warped in a lot of ways but it did have a bit of a slugish movement. Also improved vehicle gimmick levels massively.

Twinsanity was clearly undercooked and had it not been for poor controls (kind of a big deal yeah I know) it could have been good, the format and tone of the games was fine and inteeesting at parts.
>>715987329
Stfu polnigger

>>715986817 (OP)
Crash Bandicoot 2 and 3 are the only decent games.

FUCK CRASH BANDICOOT 2 AND ITS 4 SEWER LEVELS.

2 is the most overrated platformer of all time. 1 and 3 are better games.

>>715988505
I only had 3 but my friend let me borrow 2 and I beat it and it seemed a lot better. I also thought 1 seemed better than 3. this is just my opinion from playing them when I was like 9 though.

For those of you just getting on the ride.
OP is currently on a multi year tantrum because someone told him like 2-3 years ago that Crash and Spyro were better games than Mario 64 and is still under the delusion he can convince people that crash and/or spyro fags are more annoying than Mario64 fags.
Despite Spyro not having a "new" game in 7 years (Yes, reignited was that long ago) and crash not having a new one in 5 if you don't count the recycled cut multiplayer (Yes it's about time flopped 5 years ago)
You're welcome for catching you up on the autism, and enjoy the thread.

Why does no one ever post Crash 2 in these OPs? It's way better than the first Crash game.

Post it, I need a laugh in this shitty sunday

>>715988641
also I think my friend would say 1 was his favorite as well, it had a lot of 2d levels. I remember him wanting to borrow my snes after I showed him battletoads & double dragon so there's something that appeals to kids with good 2d gameplay I think.

>>715988692
seek help

>>715986817 (OP)
It aged better than mario 64 because no shit camera.

>>715988494
Like 2 was good but I felt it went a little overboard with the secrets and shit.
>>715988641
3 was willing to experiment and try new things, which is fine but a lot of it didnt work out as well as they could have. Like in general I feel the levels aren't as good looking or well designed in general. Vehicle levels were kinda bleh too.
Now time trials of course were a stellar addition and adding coco as a playable (though at the time only for vehicle levels) was nice.
In general 1 is easier in a lot of platforming imo. but made "harder" by box respawn on death.

>>715989018
If you didn't want me to notice you having a multi year long tantrum, you probably shouldn't have thrown a multi year long tantrum.

>>715989254
Secrets in 2 were great because all of them had subtle hints on how to uncover them. It's how secrets should be done in games, none of that obscure "this random pterodactyl that looks the same as the rest will take you to a secret level" bullshit from 3.

>>715986817 (OP)
obvious tendie rage b8 is obvious

>>715988539
>>715988593
>>715988701
1 & 2 are the only decent Crash platformers. 3 had way too many gimmicky unfun stages that aged like yogurt.

>>715988593
it had 3 sewer levels, all of them good.

>>715990116
all of them shit.
2 has the worst level themes in the series. 3 has much more fun level themes and yes its a bit gimmicky but its still fun

>>715989643
Some were, some were over the top.

>>715990260
>some were over the top.
Such as?

>>715988692
Link to the original thread/post?

2 and 3 have better controls and are fun to blast through and 100% but barely have any of the original game's platforming. Crash 4 focuses on platforming and in that aspect it's great, but breaking boxes fucking sucks in that and you should not go for 100% there. Twinsanity has fun visuals and story but the controls and platforming aren't great. The GBA games are pretty much portable Crash 2/3, and Wrath of Cortex is a weaker 3. Titans games feel like licensed games, but they're passable I guess. Not terrible but not something you should go out of your way to play.

>>715990426
I don't have the initial post that set this retard off on a multi year long tantrum but after noticing the same sort of thread being made frequently for a year led me to remembering the thread and checking the archive (a practice I don't really like to do) threads like this have been going on for straight up years
>How do you kn
Nobody is this opinionated in a game series that last entry came out five years ago without having something wrong with them.

>>715988593
I like the sewer levels but man i fucking those ice levels. "Cold hard Crash" was fucking miserable.

>>715986817 (OP)
It’s very good game :^)

>>715989254
>>715990260
>>715990363
I liked the non bouncy nitro staircase, clearly something. There is a bear riding chase level where you need to backtrack to a hole you jumped over where you can glimpse ground, not a good one.

>>715991723
snow levels don't fit crash, it feels wrong. He belongs in warmer climates

>>715986817 (OP)
Hell no, isn't even the best Crash Bandicoot

>>715992147
>There is a bear riding chase level where you need to backtrack to a hole you jumped over where you can glimpse ground, not a good one.
An attentive player can see that the hole has JUST enough distance for a player to make it, even the shape of the hole is set up in way that puts a spit of land on the way back, letting a player figure out there's more to it than meets the eye.

Nah that's donkey kong country 2, possibly 3

>>715989382
seek help

I simply cannot not love Crash 3. I just do, it's so fucking comfy, the Arabian levels are supremely comfy, the great wall of china levels are kino and fun to speedrun,

>>715986817 (OP)
Tropical Freeze has yet to be surpassed.

>>715988701
I really enjoy 2, but I find a lot of the "go to this level's secret area then backtrack through the level to get all boxes" gems annoying because the camera doesn't like cooperating half the time.

>>715993476
I feel Crash 3 is great when it actually plays like Crash, the issue is the gimmick levels so it kinda feels that by the end you just had 2 "real" levels per world, Swimming, Racing, Flying, Jetski, Tiger Riding all add up even if they are somehat sawpped around. 2 had Gimmicks too, but felt more conservative with them.

>>715993476
It's the Spyro 3 of the trilogy. A game that felt like the original gameplay overstayed its welcome and wanted to experiment with gimmicks. That doesn't make them bad, but there's less focus overall, and not all of them are that good.

>>715986817 (OP)
What about Spyro?

>>715993476
That cover looks AI generated

>>715988692
Based anti-schizo anon. I applaud your work ethic.

>>715988593
3 is garbage. 1 is by far the best game.

yes

>>715988593
2 = 1 > 3

1 would probably edge out if not for the awful save system and a few janky hitboxes. They really did nail it with the first game.

>>715997578
>save system
non issue these days with emulators

>>715993570
Switch version has 100ms+ of input lag in addition to overly long animations. It feels extremely sluggish as a result, in a way that other weighty platformers don't.

Also the levels don't flow and have poor visual communication due to their insistence on telling le story in each level. By far the best levels are the K and secret levels as a result.

God-tier soundtrack though

>>715987329
Crash 4 gameplay on its difficult end is dome of the most fun I've had playing any platformer and I played the originals when they were new

>>715988593
Someone got filtered by 2s moderate difficulty level

>>715990242
Why don't you like sewer levels?

>>715990869
>in that aspect it's great
Finally someone else who admits the platforming in 4 was great, I even loved the mask gimmicks

>>715998004
If the entire game were the flashback tapes, it would have been great.
But they added way too much tedium throughout the entire game that severely drag that down, and that's where people take issue with C4, that and replacing Tawna and Dingodile with some new characters that they call Tawna and Dingodile. Cortex, Tropy, and Uka-Uka at least managed to both stay in character and on-model.

>>715986817 (OP)
It's good, but not the best. It is one of the best at filtering casuals, thoughever. I was watching some fat guy on Twitch get really mad and keep blaming the game for his terrible skills earlier today. He had a speedrun timer up but he started using passwords and skipping levels he sucked at so the run wasn't even valid. It was pretty funny to watch. Something about this game just gives zoom zooms unfathomable rage.

>>715998004
I agree

>>715993476
If you took out all the vehicle levels it'd be as good as 2 probably

>>715998215
boring visually, boring in terms of obstacles, not very vertical.

>>715998347
those levels where you roll around in the ball were cool when I was a kid.. I still remember that shit

imagine being 10 again, that'd be so cool huh?

>>715998293
I wouldn't dare defend Tawna but I loved the new worlds, I thought they functioned like an evolved crash 3, and every once in awhile the difficulty on a level was perfect like my platforming skills were finally being tested. I also got every box cause I'm a masochist but those time trials are insane outside the first tier. Toxic Tunnels in the final world for example seemed like the perfect modern crash challenge level and yes it was difficult but I can crush it now

>>715998347
I also loved wrath of cortex, discovering the secret room with weird levels like that cowboy mine track level was exciting. Also elemental masks was my shit wish they functioned more like crash 4 masks

>>715996176
It was probably AI-upscaled at some point

>>715998356
Crash 3's platforming struggles a little bit due to the introduction of the powerups.
Super Body Slam does basically nothing unique aside from a couple bonus stages to hit crates under metal crates, but that gets trivialized by the Wumpa Bazooka later, which functionally trivializes all combat threats posed by platforming enemies everywhere except the future stages which actually put some pressure on you.
Double Jump isn't used super creatively most of the time and combined with the Death Tornado Spin just functions as an extension of the single jump, just bigger.
The Relic challenges are a fun thing to add to the series but most stages rely on the Crash Dash and a first time player isn't going to know what you need to defeat Cortex to have those realistically within reach (outside of the vehicle/riding levels where Gold/Platinum are within reach at the very start).
There were more platforming challenges in 2, so I'd say that even if you nixed all of the vehicle levels from 3, it still beats it out.

>>715998338
>It's good, but not the best
Then what's better?

And don't even fucking think about mentioning Mario 64, that game is fucking trash in every area aside from its movement

>>715998870
Both of the Naughty Dog sequels are better.

>>715998371
I respect your take I consider them a franchise staple because they've been around since 2. They're just an evolution of river levels really and they fit in well with factory levels

>>715998851
Don't disagree there I've always said 2 is best just throwing 3 fans a bone. Last time I replayed it I remember doing one of the late game cortex lab levels and thinking wow if more of the game was like this I'd really like it.

>>715998985
2 maybe, 3 is too gimmicky and soulless, but still a very good game

>>715998851
I only remember disliking one thing about 3 (the original) and it was that it did not show the platinum times. I played it before having internet and did not know about platinums until I randomly got one in one of the middle ages levels. I was bad at them so not having a time to shoot for made me not want to bother.
I don't know if it is possible in the OG 3 but I know a friend got all platinums without the running shoes as a challenge.

The shitendo Shitty4 is a bottom 3 console of all time and Shartio Shitty4 is the most overrated game of all time

>>715986817 (OP)
It's extremely good for how simple it is. Most platformers are ruined by having a double jump and a dozen ways to maneuver mid air so there's zero tension of actually failing.

Crash 1 + 2 are easily in the top 5 of platformers

>>715999853
The platinum times would show up after you've gotten gold or better on all stages, IIRC. If you got the true ending, you even knew what the dev times were, but those were only in the credits rather than as a time to beat on the best times table.
Your friend claiming to have gotten platinums without the sprint ability is almost certainly lying or was playing with cheats.

>>716000180
Yeah I don't think I got all the golds, back then I did not have the patience for it and I sucked. If that's the case that's cool.
I forgot to specify since I implied it only, but he did it on the remake 3. I can't really say much more, could be fake. I think there are special movement mechanics there that allow you to go faster?

>>715989906
Warped had only one "gimmick" levels which were too much and those were the flying levels
swimming levels were fine
coco's jet ski levels were fine
motorcycle levels were just reskins of hog wild (hell even the "hog ride" name was a clear jab at it)
dinosaur reskin of boulder dash was fine
great wall levels were just reskins of polar ride levels

>>715999853
Not showing a top level reward is kinda classic vidya logic

I thought the inverted gravity mask in crash 4 was a stroke of platforming genius. Yes I'm aware it's been done before. Made for some really neat levels

>>715986817 (OP)
It's not even the best linear 3d platformer of all time, so no, not even slightly close.

>>716001095
In isolation they are fine, as majority of the levels in the game and the actual level design and platforming suffering, they aren't fine. Doesn't help all the gimmick unlockable powerups also trivialize the few platforming levels

The Saudi Arabia levels in Warped are the best levels in the series.

>>716004293
why

>>715998830
Should have used the disc image for the box art instead tbqh

>>716001095
>swimming levels were fine
>coco's jet ski levels were fine
oh no no no no no

They should've just stuck with the motorcycle & great wall stuff

>>716004293
They're egypt bro

>>716004293
>The Saudi Arabia
You mean the Aladdin levels.

>>716004830
>>716001095
The biker levels were definitely the worst by far. Just horrible handling, physics, biker AI, track design. It felt so amateurish and shitty

>>716004869
>>716004929
the crash wiki said saudi. Doesnt' matter, the sand levels.
>>716004609
peak vibes.

>>716000180
>platinums without the sprint ability
It's very doable with slide-spin animation cancelling which is almost as fast as sprinting.

>>716003559
>Doesn't help all the gimmick unlockable powerups also trivialize the few platforming levels
This. Plus time trials hurt the replay value of the game since it induces an over-familiarity with the levels. They did everything wrong with Warped.

>>715998830
For me it's the PAL cover

>>716004970
I could tolerate them if those were the only bad ones.

Crash 1 and 2 are very good, especially with the time trials in the trilogy. Crash 3 is complete shit. Every single bonus level you unlock in Crash 3 is some horrible gimmick shit which is baffling.

>>716001095
The jet ski would be fine if there were only like 1 or 2 of them. Two of the 5 secret/bonus levels alone are jet ski levels.
The great wall levels are already reskins of hog wild... there doesn't need to be two of the same gimmick

>>716001095
swimming is so bad that the only time they brought it back it was genuine cancer.
free-roam jetski was antithetical to platforming but could have easily been done in a way similar to the great wall if they wanted.
motorcycle doesn't have the same stakes as the hog/polar stages because there was no death state, it was just a race and you either got the crates or you didn't
in both of the above vehicles you cannot jump, you're glued to the floor of the stage unless it gave you a ramp.
To not have the jump button actually make you jump in a platformer is the biggest of farces (both the jetboard and jetpack in Crash 2 are also guilty of this). They could have had them be much more close to the hog stages but chose not to in pursuit of being different, and while they were definitely novel, they were not nearly as good.
If anything, the jetski and plane levels were them taking advantage of the free roaming camera that they were developing for CTR in parallel with Crash 3, so for that I can sort of let it slide as an opportunity to show off their new tech. But from a game design perspective I can criticize them for not being platforming.

>Pura levels are easily the best "vehicle" levels
>only 2 of them
>Jet-ski and Motorcycle levels are actual cancer
>4 of them each
what the fuck were they thinking

>>715996037
Spyro was the answer to Mario 64.

Everyone complains about the plane and motorcycle, but I find those to be wastes of time at worst. I hate the swimming the most, thank God there are only 2 of those.

The best platformer of all time is the first Metroid.
There, now you know.

>>716006078
Swimming levels are still in spirit of Crash's core gameplay and style, and are fun and challenging levels even if the physics can be a bit frustrating. The plane and motorcycle just feel like straight shovelware garbage that has no place in Crash.

>>716005129
its hard to imagine a society where this was seen as earnestly cool, we need to go back to these simpler times

>>715986817 (OP)
It's good but precise jumps don't really work in a 3d space and it's full of poor design decisions that make parts of the game needlessly difficult.

>>715986817 (OP)
Yes

>>716008260
That's why Crash is such a good 3D platformer, because it avoids common pitfalls inherent to 3D.

>>715986817 (OP)
Not even the best game in its own franchise

>>715989119
>no shit camera
>having to backtrack through certain levels to get 100% of collectibles is awful because of said camera

>>715986817 (OP)
Obviously not. This game series is borderline mobileslop.

>>716008670
Crash's camera is one of the best for 3D games, they put a lot of effort into actually considering how Crash plays instead of just mindlessly jumping on the 3D train.

If there is any level you are struggling to 100%, you just aren't approaching it right. Think it through, and try again.

>>716008670
There is like two times in the whole game you backtrack, and the level layout is very obviously designed around the routing for 100%.

https://files.catbox.moe/ximioe.mp4

the video that buckbroke all Crash shitters

>>715988593
Sewers were kind of a bitch to get platinum times, but there are much, much harder levels in Crash 2 that deserves recognition

Wrath Of Cortex is good, not great.

>>715986817 (OP)
I liked Spyro better and I still think Spyro is better.

>>716009884
I enjoyed it

>>715986817 (OP)
No, it's easily one of the worst.

2>3>1 for gameplay
1>3>2 for atmosphere

>>716012452
3 has worst gameplay and atmosphere

No but this sure is better than mario shart which doesnt even have a proper campaign

>>716011079
I liked it more than 3. Warped is nostalgic for me, but playing through it is so boring.

Remake of WoC or Twinsanity when?

>>715986817 (OP)
It is when you patch out the bullshit.
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/8662/

>>716017925
>The changes are:
>The state of broken boxes and defeated enemies are held even after dying
>Dying no longer disqualifies you from collecting the level’s gem
KEK what kind of casual faggot nigger would play this?