Now that the dust has settled, was it shit?

>>715994451 (OP)
Yes. Always has been

Just like the rest of the franchise

It was ok. I liked the Shadow game better

>you can only switch characters if you're touching the ground
Why?

>>715994451 (OP)
It is still one of my favorites alongside the Adventure games and Shadow.

The storytelling in Heroes and Shadow is nothing short of pathetic

When playing team rose, it's impossible to go more than a minute without one of the girls flashing you. Even in cutscenes.

>>715995221
Forgot to mention that my favorite games are Colors and Forces
Also, I'm trans

>>715994451 (OP)
Yes, but somehow every game after it was even worse.

>>715994451 (OP)
Yes, like all Sonic games, but it was fun.

The only Sonic game I've played was Sonic Advance 3. I didn't like it.

>Dear Sonic Heroes

>Guess what, Sonic Heroes? I've finally developed the ultimate weapon. In three days, it'll conquer the world. Think you can stop me?

>Sincerely, Dr. Eggman

>>715994451 (OP)
Yes

>>715995005
WHAT GOES UP MUST COME DOWN
YET MY FEET DON'T TOUCH THE GROUND

>Sonic Adventure (december 1998)
>Sonic Adventure 2 (june 2001)
>Sonic Heroes (december 2003)

What the hell happened after 2001?

Yeah. Highly-quotable, glitchy Kusoge, and I love it.
Best 3D Sonic OST btw.

>>715996276
The Dreamcast died.

>>715994451 (OP)
The damage sponge enemies, and the roadblocks that slowed you to a crawl because of teammate switching really screwed the game.

>>715994451 (OP)
Very poor follow-up to SA2

>>715995690
The advance games are just sequels to the originals. You should try the adventure games.

>>715996276
Sega went third party, and thus didn't have to try as hard. People also bitched endlessly about the non-speed stages in the adventure games. So they said "fuck it, we'll just make them play the same speed stages 4 times in a row".

>>715994451 (OP)
Yes, I'm almost certain that anyone who defends it hasn't actually played it since they were 9

>>715996408
>Best 3D Sonic OST
It doesn't get praise enough.
There literally isn't a single bad or mediocre song in the soundtrack. Every stage theme is amazing. Even each theme's theme is also corny but sovful as fuck.
https://youtu.be/NZfFI8F7XSY?list=RDNZfFI8F7XSY

>>715997182
SA2 is in itself, a poor follow-up to SA1.

>>715997365
I didn't start liking Heroes until I was an adult actually. Now I replay it way more than the Adventure games.

>>715997507
Why don't I remember this

>>715997557
SA2s speed, treasure hunter, and chao garden stages are all improvements. The trade off is worse mech stages (and more of them) and no overworld.

Shadow is better for the mere fact that it gets rid of the exhausting "switch gameplay style by pressing a button" gameplay

I got nostalgia for it.
It's over for me isn't it?

>>715997970
Treasure hunting was better in SA1 dawg, and spamdash was more satisfying than what we got in SA2

>>715997970
Instead of trying to improve the speed stages, they just made them more linear and added even more automation. Basically covering up the blemishes SA1 had instead of improving them like a proper sequel should. And the treasure hunting stages are worse solely because of the stupid Emerald radar change to artificially pad the length of the game.

Egg Fleet and Neo carried it

It's decent. But it does have some shit mixed in. A solid 6/10

>>715994451 (OP)
It was fun, a bit jank but still fun. Same with Shadow 05 desu.

>Voodoo Vince (september 2003)
>Jak II (october 2003)
>Ratchet 2 (november 2003)
>Heroes (january 2004)

It already felt very outdated when it came out

>>715998070
>>715998124
SA1 has a better radar, but SA2 has stages built for treasure hunting which are more fun. You cannot tell me with a straight face that any of knuckles SA1 stages beat pumpkin hill or wild canyon.

>>715998431
How the fuck is Sonic similar to any of those games?

>>715998527
With the emerald radar mod, it is better I agree. But in the vanilla game, the change makes them worse than SA1.

>>715998547
It's a 3D platformer

>>715998620
Jak II and Ratchet 2 are more TPS than platformer. No clue what Voodoo Vince is, is it some shovelware you played when you were 8?

>>715998701
Definitely not true. Jak 2 even gave you a really fun hoverboard to use which is often better than the hard to drive flying vehicles

>>715995431

>>716000218
Ian better remove this in the remake

>>715994451 (OP)
absolutely

>>716000396
People keep saying heroes is getting a remake but I doubt it. Sega just came out and said they'd rather make new games rather than remake SA1/2, so I can only assume the same logic applies here.

>>715994451 (OP)
Yes and no. It's better than 06 in every single sense of the word, so that's already a good thing. If you play only with a single team and then use a save file for the final stage, it's completely fine. Problem is playing through every single team and replaying the same stage over and over again, and the bugs start to become more apparent and more annoying. The game's stages at least have a great art-style and the OST is 10/10 and even the basic gameplay formula is actually really good. But you can tell some of the level design lacked polish and it was too rushed and ambitious for it's own good.
Overall, the game was too ambitious for it's own good and it's own release window. No wonder Iizuka was hospitalized when developing this game. This game should've needed an extra year and a half of polish before being released. They should've had the B-teams work on more games in-between and I am sure we could've had a much better game. Same with Shadow 05 and even Sonic 06 to a degree.