For as long as I can remember, I've tried to enjoy eastern games and media, but the vast majority of Japanese and Japanese adjacent media has just irked me.

I've never enjoyed the artstyle, the character designs, or the way that the combat is choreographed.

I know full well that a lot of eastern stuff WOULD be up my alley, if not for how much I despise how everything looks.

This isn't a dig on it btw, this is entirely personal taste. I just don't like the big, oversized weapons, or the way people dress in absurd overdetailed ways. Nor do I like many of the tropes that they use in worldbuilding and storytelling.

Examples: Giant oversized swords, unprotective armor on females, calling out the name of one's attack, long spats of worldbuilding.

I'm basically pic related.

Again, not trying to shit on anyone's favorite games. Has anyone else here overcome the nip ick?

Sad bait, try harder next time.

>>716028447
This isn't bait. I actually want to find a way to enjoy this shit. There's obviously good stuff there, I just want to kill myself every time a lady wearing three strips of tape intones the power of friendship while swinging a gravestone around.

i don't care what you like

>>716028390 (OP)
>Examples: Giant oversized swords, unprotective armor on females, long spats of worldbuilding.
hallmarks of Western fantasy

tl;dr Chaos isn't real.

The tropes you’re describing are indicative of shonen anime specifically, not Japanese culture in general. If you want a JRPG without all the cringey shit like characters saying “TAKE THAT!” nonstop during fights, that’s what Dark Souls is for

>>716028390 (OP)
that's just shonenshit, it's perfectly reasonable to hate on shit like xenoblade and still like japanese media like shin megami tensei

>>716028390 (OP)
I guess for me it was coming across things I liked certain elements of.
Trying those things and liking enough of them to keep looking for more.

>>716028390 (OP)
weeb shit cant be redeemed, play better games. enjoying that stuff is a sign of a broken person, full of doubt and weakness

>>716030923
>fromsoft
>jrpg

Was partly bumping the thread with this >>716034267
I have one more thing to add.
A lot of Japanese media is, for lack of a better way to describe this: the visuals you see are as if its the imagery of the imagination, imagery in your third eye, which is overlaid on top of reality. As in they draw what they imagine, not what they see.
So when you look at an anime dude with goofy clothes and a big fuckoff sword, you're not seeing a depiction that's meant to be real, you're seeing the impression the character is meant to exude. Or really the psychic impression. The character's "aura" and so on.

This is very literal in certain anime. Gundam (and the shows that led up to Gundam's existence) heavily features battles between literal psychics, who can manipulate their literal aura, to fight invisible battles normalfags can't see.
https://youtu.be/sBew1eJXf0c?feature=shared
Naruto, from the 2000's, about a school for young ninjas has Genjutsu illusion magic as a heavy plot point.

Even beyond this, anime tends to be very expressive in ways the west simply is not: they've developed a whole language (similar to thought bubbles in western comics), of what I'd call "psychic expression markers", visual symbols for anger, sadness, happiness, states of fear, etc.
When you look at anime not as meant to depict a "real" experience, but as meant to depict an experience which is both real and psychic it becomes a lot easier to understand.

MGSV is kind of tailored specifically for a western audience. It gets surreal, but it has brain-damage induced visual hallucinations and the main character suffering dissociative disorder as justification for its more surreal moments.
https://youtu.be/RhseWPWYPBA?feature=shared

>>716034332
>enjoying that stuff is a sign of a broken person, full of doubt and weakness
Hard disagree, but ok.

>>716034353
It's an RPG... made in Japan. Retard

>>716028390 (OP)
> Everything wrong with gen z the post
>Also, the reasons 4chan noted anime website decline dramatically with the rise of gen z

>>716035356
OP seems like a gentleman of age.
Can't put my finger on why.

>>716028390 (OP)
Just stop, you won't get into it. And if you do, you'll be one of those ironic weebs overcompensating for the fact that you're not really into it

>>716035356
Gen Z was raised on anime, you idiot. Why do you think there's so many zoomer trannies?

>>716028390 (OP)
Anon you're retarded. You either like it or don't. If you're sitting her nitpicking then you don't like it enough to get over the shit that bothers you. Move on. Besides, Jews have infiltrated the Japanese government. They'll be changing in time.

>>716035119
Gundam copied newtypes from jedi and you're pretending they're exclusively Japanese lol

>>716028390 (OP)
>Examples: Giant oversized swords, unprotective armor on females, calling out the name of one's attack, long spats of worldbuilding.
The problem is you. All of these things are cool, I'm sorry you don't get it.

You can't "learn" to like this stuff. I can only imagine you have been poisoned by garbage calarts media from a young age to inherently despise beauty, I don't think it's possible to undo that level of brainwashing. Your brain is broken.

>>716036337
I get the other things but how can you possibly say that calling out attack names is cool? It's cool in something like DBZ but it sounds grating and corny as shit in JRPGs

>>716035356
m8, anime's huge with zoomers because they grew up with it being easily accessible on streaming. Most of the reason it's bigger now than it ever was is because people no longer have to jump through the hoops of looking for fansubbed downloads on the internet, or even worse, scouring Chinatown for import tapes/DVDs

>>716036280
The Jedi were made up of ideas borrowed from several Eastern tradition.

>>716028390 (OP)
You're describing the lower end of japanese media, the stuff that appeals to the drooling pleb masses. Would I be right in guessing you don't like marvel films or equivalent western slop? Because shounen shit is pretty much the japanese equivalent. You'll likely have more luck if you look in less obvious places.

>>716028390 (OP)
I played Yakuza 0 and it cured my anti weeb mentality. I played the rest of the series, started searching for other popular franchises from the east, and in the end even started playing some real obscure shit. I learned to accept all the cliché stuff like harems, faggy protags and extreme cases of fanservice and even enjoy it. I realized that it's overall far superior to the western media. It's not even about wokeness. I am not against politics being discussed in the media. It's just the way west does it lately that annoys me to no end. The east does it way more subtly and adds fun stuff in between.
My advice is to start with something more grounded, less "weeby" (like Yakuza). You will learn to concentrate on the story and themes and not how it looks.

>>716036647
>he thinks anime tropes are in the "lower end of japanese media"
Lmao. No, you're just exclusively consuming Japanese media aimed at westerneres like Resident Evil and Silent Hill.

>>716036810
That's a good starting point actually because most anti-weeb sentiment comes from it being too childish and Yakuza does not feel childish. And yet it still has all the tropes

>love JRPGs
>hate anime stories and aesthetics because they're objectively dogshit
It's an abstract kinda feel

>>716035119
It's weird. I was just thinking about this.
I bounced off of Japanese media for a long time, but finally realized they just approach stuff with a completely different mindset like you're describing.
Like in the west, it's pretty much accepted that media is meant to depict what's "real" or some kind of "idealized reality" or even if it's fantasy and stuff from the imagination, the West works to make you believe in the fantasy as if it's real. Like George Lucas having his roots in documentary filmmaking. He overtly talks about trying to make you believe what you're seeing and have it "feel" real.

Japan doesn't do this very much at all. Instead of trying to make the imaginary seem real, they just go ahead and draw the imaginary in all its direct unreal glory.

>erm it's all just kids swinging big swords and fighting god
There's a japanese guy saying he doesn't like western games cause they're all just about some ugly soldier with an ar-15 fighting for israel, and in both cases you'd be just scratching at the lowest common denominator media and crying that it's dumb shit for kids.
Stop playing shit for kids and suddenly everything starts looking more unique, mature, and interesting.
>>716035119
This is an extremely complex and incorrect way of describing how cartoons are usually larger than life.

>>716037174
>This is an extremely complex and incorrect way of describing how cartoons are usually larger than life.
I disagree.
If you follow the evolution of East Asian culture, they simply are more oriented towards the mental/spiritual/imaginary than the physical, compared to the West, and the reasons are at the very roots of Eastern culture.
This is not so simple as saying "Cartoons are larger than life".
Both Eastern and Westerrn cartoons are "larger than life", but they are so in entirely unique ways.

this thread is weird as fuck
are all westoids really manchildren larping as adults?

>>716037619
The west is severely fucked mentally.
Arguably it's a problem that's at least 2000 years old, and has only gotten exponentially worse with the harnessing of electricity.

>>716037470
I don't disagree with all that specifically, of course it's culturally inspired and things like visible fighting spirits and killing intent comes through.

It's specifically stuff like
>imagery in your third eye, which is overlaid on top of reality
>you're not seeing a depiction that's meant to be real, you're seeing the impression the character is meant to exude
Because it comes off as though anime is some punched up version of an actual reality where everyones swords are normal and they're only leaping a few feet into the air at most.
It's that cartoons require less rules of reality to be applied to still be convincing. It's fine if everyone is swinging giant swords when they don't look too much like people. It's like the uncanney valley but the opposite, by making them look less like real humans, you can accept them doing more crazy, wild things.

This is part of why live action anime usually looks weird. You give a a guy a big cardboard cosplay sword and tell him to swing it and it suddenly looks less convincing than when a fake, cartoon man swings it.

>>716037619
>noooooo you can't make fun of my moe cartoons

>>716037619
>kultur-kampfer with fotm fumo avatar
>JJK
>twitter screenshot
every single person involved is awful
you have actively made me a more loathsome person, i hope you are happy anonymous

>>716037986
>Because it comes off as though anime is some punched up version of an actual reality where everyones swords are normal and they're only leaping a few feet into the air at most.
That is kind of what I mean.
When you look at like a kid jumping around in the park, vs. like a ballet dancer on a stage, in a dress, with lights and stage effects...
if the dancer is good, and the ballet is well produced and choreographed, she'll give you the impression ("in your third eye", or hypnotically, or in the daydream overlaid over what you're actually seeing) that she's flying, even though she might be jumping just as high as the kid in the park.

Kinda the same thing.

>>716038496
>i hope you are happy anonymous
i am, you're welcome bro
spread the anti-normalnigger bitterness as much as you can

>>716038598
I need to clarify this a little.
The "reality" of anime (used to be) paint on animation cels.
Obviously western cartoons are the same.
But I'm trying to say I see Japanese stuff as aiming to create something you experience in the imagination, it's about the effect not the depiction, where western stuff (if westerners are doing something imaginative) aim to depict imaginative stuff as though it's "real".

West aims to bring the imaginative "down" into a depiction a westerner will approach as if believable and "real", Japanese stuff aims to bring the viewer "up" into an imaginative/psychic experience, not really caring if it seems real or not.

>>716039026
keep in mind twitter reposters in this den of autism are included
you don't get to pretend you are cerberus guarding the gates and repelling the living, when you are just another wretched underworlder

>>716035291
>>716030923
Retard

>>716036810
Seconding the recommendation of Yakuza 0, I think that's a pretty good bet.

>>716030909
Bullshit

>>716028390 (OP)
3/4 of the examples you mentioned are (also) typical for western media though. I think the fact that you dislike the art direction a lot of Jap media aims for is the core element of why you dislike it.
I have the same thing with huge bulky power armor as seen in Warhammer 40K or Fallout. It also turns me off a little and makes me less interested in the thing as a whole.

>>716028390 (OP)
You must be retarded. You either like things or you don't. Trying to trick yourself into liking something is a bad idea on every level

>>716041712
>Trying to trick yourself into liking something is a bad idea on every level
If OP is trying to trick himself into liking Japanese media, he already likes at least enough things about it to try and get into it in the first place.
The trick is to really follow what you personally like and find interesting, not what other people tell you is good.

>>716035356
Retard, zoomers flooded anime because lamost all normal tv shows suck now.

>>716028390 (OP)
Literally picrel OP. I used to care way too much what people thought. Always a closeted weeb, and aggresively anti-weeb despite liking the way they look. Then one day I just stopped caring, and I was much happier. Benefits of growing older I suppose.