>playing again for the tenth time since release
>still the greatest game ever made

how did they do it? what makes it so different and special? you cant just say "nostalgia" as Ive played tons of other games from the same era but this is the only one Id say is the GOAT. but I have a hard explaining why its so much better than every other jrpg.

Final Fantasy IX is better.

>playing again for the tenth time
You have autism.

>>716032947 (OP)
Not even the best in its own series

>>716033017
>5 minute loading screen before each battle
>literally worthless limit breaks you will waste on trash mobs 98% of the time
>non existent forgettable plot
>reddit furfag artstyle

wow what a great game
>

>>716032947 (OP)
For me it is the legendary soundtrack. No other game has evoked the same emotions except maybe mass effect 2

https://youtu.be/COeNYgJvgYs?si=8SW06ReyjZbWIQFl

https://youtu.be/ujrn-yfo8Ts?si=jdUgsShn826wljwg

>>716032947 (OP)

>>716033174
>got filtered

>>716033541
it really is the most emotional soundtrack ever put in a game and possibly the most emotional soundtrack ever created
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVNVCgHp37Y&list=PL6lW_xFizAS16-0GeyBOD5hykJDjqW8iz&index=62

uematsu was cracked out of his fucking gourd when made these songs, just banger after banger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_m4mgxCH6k&list=PL6lW_xFizAS16-0GeyBOD5hykJDjqW8iz&index=58

>>716032947 (OP)
Nostalgia or autism or both. Im guessing it was your first FF game, which is why you like it.

the pacing is insanely good. thrusts you immediately into this unique dystopian futuristic city that is dramatically unlike anything seen before in a jrpg or any other game and has you literally blowing it up within the first half hour. the first 5/6 hours in midgar is nothing but tightly woven story beats, character exposition and beautiful set pieces stringed together. even after you leave midgar and the pace slows down, you are constantly being whisked to new and interesting areas around the world until you reach sephiroth in the crater at the start of disc 2. after you start revisiting a lot of places, but you get some insane plot reveals in the second half to hold it together, and unlike the plot twists in 8 they arent retarded and come out of thin air, or like 9 where there is no real plot twists at all and you start wondering if they lost all inspiration after the first disc. the other thing it does exceptionally compared to its peers is characters and character development. the emotional gut punch of the most emotional and well executed character death in any vidyagame. even the optional characters have a meaningful arc and change throughout the game. an 11/10 soundtrack also helps. it does a lot of other things really well, but i think those are the main things that make it a "special" game.

It's the music. It's literally the music.

>>716033174
>5 minute loading screen before each battle
Sounds like you need a new optical unit.

>>716032947 (OP)
>interesting cyberpunk dystopia
>ecological theme feels weirdly timeless as does how the story moves past that onto bigger threats once the party realises who the real bad guys are
>Shinra creating Avalanche and using them to justify destroying sector 7 to cut their losses and drive out the people living in the ghetto is a brilliant twist
>wacky and creative enemies
>awe-inspiring backgrounds and creative use of FMV
>conceited, contrived, gruff and shady characters feel more real than any other character in the series
>politically incorrect "will you stop acting like a retard and climb?" is a classic line
>funny and soulful translation (fuck the trannies and spergs who say otherwise)
>unbelievable music that is both bombastic and quiet as well as catchy and memorable
>fun battle system
>fun minigames
>brilliant pacing

>>716032947 (OP)
Because they tried.
>>716033036
No, Anon. See, back in the before times, games were made so well that it was quite common to replay something many times. It's a testament to the quality of the game, including but not limited to being so impactful with it's overall presentation that players want to experience it over and over again.
OP is experiencing something I doubt modern gamers could understand unless they were old enough to remember gaming during the true golden age

>>716032947 (OP)
what is the best version to play?

I think the most standout thing is that the tone isn't afraid to be goofy or serious or romantic when the time comes for it and it nails all three of them.
The same game that had the iconic Aerith's death scene or Barrett's flashback with Dyne also had cloud going into a homoerotic gym for a crossdressing quest and Tifa slapfighting Scarlet on top of a giant phallic cannon.

Also the sheer amount of variety is charming. It was an early jump to a massively more complex kind of hardware yet we see a ton of enemy variety (even for one off fights), a ton of weapons and customisable materia, a ton of sidequests, two optional companions, wildly different towns, and a whole underwater section.

>>716041721
Original PS1 version. I tried ports, but they'd crash, which really sucks if you don't save at literally every save point you come across or at least every 15 minutes in the overworld, and just seemed off.
The original never crashed for me

>>716041721
PS4 port

>>716032947 (OP)
>how did they do it? what makes it so different and special?
The pre-rendered background art was immaculate.
It took the fully 3d rendered games decades to compete with what was achieved optically in ffvii. And in terms of soul it's still isn't there.

>>716041840
cont.
It's not to imply it crashed that often, but it's VERY DISHEARTENING to have to redo 3+ hours because you were so into it and it just didn't occur to you to save emat every opportunity
But again, I only experienced that in ports, not the original

>>716038050
>it really is the most emotional soundtrack
I think the only thing that comes close is Dragon Quest (RIP). Both of them understand music on a higher level than most videogame composers, you can tell they've studied classical music and the forms thereof and aren't just winging it.

>>716032947 (OP)
Isnt this one of those games where you never get to actually touch the controller? Isnt it just a movie?

>>716042080
>Isnt it just a movie?
That's the remake
>Isnt this one of those games where you never get to actually touch the controller?
That kind of (and I can't stress enough how loosely applying this application is) "game" didn't start being a thing until the PS4/xbone gen

>>716042220
every time i watch FF7 og gameplay it just looks like somebody is watching the characters fight. No game

>>716042293
Do you mean in, or outside of combat?

>>716042381
In general.. Its walking to a cutscene or dialogue if youre not watching the game fight the enemies for you

It's so fucking overrated.

I beat it for the first time last year on OG hardware (30 year old zoomer), and while it wasn't bad, it was very underwhelming; so dry and boring that it took me almost two months to finish even when I didn't do much side content. Just a drag.

>everything is so damn slow-paced from animations to transitions to loading to constant cutscenes and monologues
>combat is braindead autopilot button mashing. Regular enemies are just braindead cannon fodder for grinding that pose zero risk whatsoever. Even bosses are a complete joke, and you will only ever fail to poorly telegraphed gotcha trollshit
>enemy designs are complete nonsense, like they're pulled straight from the digimon reject pile and don't fit the environment at all
>camera angles in combat are obnoxious and constantly obscure the fight
>targeting enemies and allies in fights is very finicky. Having to actually point at 3D models instead of the list of names is baffling
>magic spells are samey and don't really fill a niche or usecase, with few meaningful tradeoffs
>no descriptions for any spells or items while in combat
>no symbols for status elements and no way to view them
>translation is extremely shoddy, full of grammar/spelling errors and nonsensical engrish
>dialogue boxes look amateurish, appearing all over and blocking parts of the screen and character names only appearing their first line; when new, unnamed characters speak, no name is shown, and the dialogue box appears the same as if the previous character is speaking
>d-pad digital movement feels awful to navigate isometric maps; you will frequently bang into walls and go back the way you came on screen transition
>prerendered backgrounds are unclear and unintuitive regarding what areas you can traverse or interact with
>constantly have to go into towns and talk to every Tom, Dick, and Harry to advance the plot
>99% of the objects in the world can't be interacted with, while a few arbitrarily can and give zero indication

>>716042441
I personally was never big on narrative in a game; I don't require or care about motivations, I just want to get/ upgrade loot and abilities, get more stats, kill bigger things.
I certainly appreciate all the other aspects of the game, wether I personally enjoy them or not. But something to consider is the limitations of the hardware for the time. I suppose growing up, I just filled in "blanks" in my mind, so everything felt cohesive. The fixed camera overworld and uncontrollable camera in combat might be part of the cause for your feelings. If that's the case, you just gotta see the game for what it is, not what you expect it to be.
The original has proven by millions well before the "reimagining" project that if it's not a "great" game by modern standards, it's at the very least competently enough made.

>>716042692
>>99% of the objects in the world can't be interacted with, while a few arbitrarily can and give zero indication
Did you try pressing select? IIRC that shows where you exits and interactable objects are with clear markers. Also items you can pick up off the ground stand out from the background with a clear animated shine to them (pretty common back then).

>>716032947 (OP)
The story feels finished. It's not like in other games (eg. IX) where you get the feeling that they ran out of time, only for the side content.
Music is great
Characters are good
World is interesting
It's just an old game which respects the players curiosity. Exposition is well executed, there is no checklist that keeps track of every fucking sidequest. You are allowed to miss content and also to explore on your own
>>716041721
PC with mods
There is even a mod that enables cut/disabled cutscenes

>>716032947 (OP)
>"RPG" with no interactivity, no reactivity, shallow fetch quest design, constant random encounters against trash mobs that only serve as item/exp pinatas while you repeatedly spam one button, stupid time-wasting minigames, and shallow tropey anime writing
JRPGs are such a fucking travesty, enjoyed only by simpletons because they are "comfy"

>>716041721
FF7SYW on a steamdeck

>>716032947 (OP)
ONLY the tenth time?

>>716042692
if you, y'know, read? half your complaints are invalid. go back to tik tok until you grow an attention span

>>716041721
I played PS1 version and it was excruciatingly slow and boring.

Honestly I would recommend emulation or a port where you can do speedup and disable random encounters because the ""gameplay"" between plot moments really is just filler garbage where you just mash over and over.

I feel like you can really only enjoy a game like this if you are the type of person to actually sit down and watch a full season of shitty anime. For most normal people, it's too slow-paced, boring, poorly written, and cringy, tropey shonen anime,

I«ve never played FF7. Should I play the original or the remake?

>>716042692
ADHD is a terrible thing

>>716043312
Read what you fucking moron? You can change camera angle in settings, everything else is valid.

Not wanting to sit through 40 hours of mind-numbing garbage combat to occasionally get a shitty shonen anime cutscene has nothing to do with attention span, it's a matter of taste, standards, and IQ.

>>716043417
Original

>>716043441
Game is just boring as shit. I have no problem investing 50+ hours in an actual good WRPG, CRPG, or strategy game. FF7 is just braindead and tedious; the characters and OST are the only redeeming aspects.

>>716043460
By all means enlighten us with games that are worthy of your intellect, big guy

>>716033017
they are both good

>>716042692
>describing all PS1 era JRPGs
>this is bad

What are your standards? Like modern arrow-points-you-where to go shit? If you're playing a JRPG and upset about "wasting time" you're way off the mark right away. Don't force yourself to play games from when you were two, you missed out on decades of context and innovation in RPGs. Hell, play FF2 or Mystic Quest SNES(US) if you want to experience real "samey" tedium.

>>716043417
remake is way better, read the thread

>>716033174

>>716042891
that's a copypasta anon

>>716041813

And the translation is a wonderful localisation hackjob. That stair scene is so iconic and always get a genuine laugh out of me.

>>716042692
This -> >>716042891
Pressing select will highlight routes you can go to/ interact with, and things you can interact with almost always have a brighter appearance compared to the prerendered background. Kinda like in old cartoons a bookshelf or something that eventually in the scene gets interacted with is just slightly lighter or darker or less detailed than the rest of the background
But to >>716042692 other points,
>slow paced
You really can't blame a game that started production on the 64, and released as a first instalment for the company on a different hardware to be turbo optimized, do you? For what it is, with the hardware available for the time, it's fine (but to your point, that's why a remake would've been amazing, instead of a reboot)
>Boring combat
I think this is just one of those things, I don't think there's a way to sell someone on atb if all they've known is action combat. Since combat is (or at keast SHOULD BE) such a major part of rog gameplay, it's entirely subjective, because MANY gamers don't mind, or even (like in my case) prefer turn based, or to a lesser extent atb
>Nonsensical enemy designs
It's not pokemon, where creatures are intended to reflect their environments. These are monsters, many of which take inspiration from myths, previous FFs because to lont time series fans you just expect [certain enemy], and in Vincent's case book/ movie monsters. It's about fun and fantasy, not intended to be some hyper realistic immersive experience.
>Camera and targeting in combat, and no in-combat descriptions
Yeah, admittedly not too notch, but it was the first of it's kind for square. You can't blame them for not mastering something the first time. It's how games were before developers used patches as holy crutches
>Spells feel same-y or niche
Yeah, og ff was like that, but usually those niche abilities are there to make getting certain or rare rewards/ equipment MUCH easier, if not the only method. Just rewarding exploration.

>>716043637
I don't really play a ton of JRPGs because they are all so samey, braindead, and tedious. I guess if your reference is something like Mother 1 (one of the few earlier JRPGs I've beat), FF7 looks good by comparison, but to any CRPG or WRPG great, FF7 is just shit.

>>716043979
>It's shit but it's supposed to be shit and you should still like it
Cult-like behavior defending this trash game and genre. Break your shackles.

>>716043637
>It's your fault for expecting a JRPG to not completely waste and disrespect your time!!!
Fucking lmao, jarpiggies are like battered wives

>>716044128
>I loathe JRPGs
>Here's my critique of the best one...

Meh. I don't ask vegans what they think of the prime rib for the same reason I don't care what you think.

>>716032947 (OP)
art direction, music, writing, gameplay

>>716044302
By all means, if you want a critique of dogshit, go talk to a fly, about the same mental capacity as the average jarpiggy player

>>716044298
>know a game takes 80+ hours
>complains about "time respect"

I mean if you respect your time (wtf that means) you wouldn't ever play any video game.

>>716041721
ffvii new threat 1.5 arranged mode. every other answer is cope

>>716032947 (OP)
>you cant just say "nostalgia"
Nostalgia

>>716044418
FF7 doesn't take 80 hours except maybe if you're going for 100%. What the fuck are you talking about?

The issue is not even so much the length, but rather the excruciatingly slow pace of everything in the game and how utterly braindead and monotonous the combat and exploration are.

>>716044418
Why are you asking what it means if you seem to know what it means?

And no, you can still play vidya and want your time respected. But if a game that could have provided the same amount of enjoyment in one hour ended up taking two hours due to padding then you're right to complain that the game wasted an hour.

>>716042692
>>716043979
Pt 2
>no symbols for status elements and no way to view them
This is mostly if not entirely untrue. It's been a couple years since I last played so my memory is fuzzy, but wether its looking at your attack bar's color and speed, character stance speed, and little speech bubbles from the character, you can see every ailment they have
>Dialogue boxes
For the handful of times you're addressing, those are from inconsequential npc's. Do you really need to know that a crowd remark came from tan tanktop guy #3?
Otherwise, that falls under narrative stuff, which I have a huge bias against, so I try not to address it
>D-pad movement
Again, a product of it's time. It just is what it is, but for a from scratch engine, I'd say they did fine. Not perfect, not great, but fine
>Prerendered bg's
It was for the time the most sensible solution to providing a huge amount of game (again, relative for the time), with scenery that felt unique. There's no question that even a higher rez replacement bg would be night and day, but there's a charm to them that PS2 was able to achieve, but again, for squares first non-sprite not fully 2d based game, the intent and effect reached enough people. At a point it boils down to did you experience prerendered bg's early enough in your gaming life to understand and appreciate it for what it is? Or did you get spoiled on later ganes with tech that could bring 3d settings to full 3d?
>constantly have to go into towns and talk to every Tom, Dick, and Harry to advance the plot
Again, my bias prevents me from fairly weighing in on this, but I'm sure another anon can fill the gap

>>716043417
Play the original first. It's about 40 hours long.
The remake is actually a sequel trilogy that's been marketed incorrectly. It's already 80+ hours long and is only around halfway through the story, and it's written in a way assumes you're already familiar with the original.

>>716044418
Jarpiggers aren't sending their best

>>716044937
>The remake is actually a sequel trilogy that's been marketed incorrectly
what the fuck? The remake isn't actually the original?

>>716043417
Original, if anything so you can appreciate older fan's frustrations when the marketing went from "remake" pre release to "reimagining" post release.
But it also deserves a fair chance just because it is well enough made, as other anons have indicated

Can modding make this playable in 1997 + 38?

The redditbirths and resharts are not an option (I have played both and thry are forgrttable trash)

>>716045027
No, and if you hated remake you'll hate the OG even more

>>716044227
Then perhaps gaming isn't for you if you can't appreciate where it cane from, and only concern yourself with flashy, yet empty spectacles.

>>716043587
>no replies

telling

https://youtube.com/watch?v=eCkWlRL3_N0&pp

>>716045104
>flashy, yet empty spectacles
Kek, the ironing.

Just to be clear, this is actually NOT in reference to the game where each summon has a minute long unskippable animation?

>>716045192
no one wnats to effortpost to beat your bait, that's all

>>716045010
No one fucking knows. Remake, aka the first remake, is actually Re : Make. As in it hits the same beats as the first 5 hours of FF7 but then they directly reference events that happen way later. Then that shit pile of an ending alludes to the idea that this is a sequel series where the main villain went back in time to change shit without actually changing shit. Yes it's very stupid

Rebirth is by and large the next 15 hours of FF7. Except we pivot away from time travel and move on too... extra dimensional pocket dimensions that are not multiverses. I'm being super cereal guys. The idea is that these characters are struggling against a fated end point to this adventure, aka the events of FF7, and they're trapped between following the planet's will and wanting to change shit they don't want to happen. It's... better than Remake? But still extremely stupid.

>>716045010
Nope. It's difficult to talk about without spoilers, but to put is as simply as possible, the remake's story is about the main antagonist traveling through time across the multiverse to change the events that led to his defeat in the original timeline. There is absolutely zero alternate-timeline stuff in the original game. The remake is "remaking the timeline".

The original is a solid 40-hour-long traditional JRPG. The devs have openly talked about how "Everyone knows the story of Final Fantasy VII, so we decided to mix things up for the remake", which makes it a fucking terrible way to experience the story for the first time.
Just so we're clear, I'm not saying the remake trilogy is bad, just that it's in no way an actual remake of the original. It's a sequel that they named incorrectly. Stupid fucking thing for them to do.

Play the original first.

>>716043587
>>716045192
It's not exactly a high bar for a game to not be an excruciatingly slow-paced, boring, tedious slog where 95% of fights consist of mashing one button.

If you're still asking for my favorite games, just imagine pretty much any standard pick that is not a turn-based JRPG or VN.

>>716045056
Wrong. I love the OG, but it is unplayable without speedup due to microplastic induced adhd

>>716045210
many of those dragged on too long for my liking too. This was before it occurred to developers to make longer scenes like those able to skip, or at least shorten like in ff10. So again, one of those things learned through trial, error, and feedback. It's not good or bad, it simply is.

>>716045273
The game will be defended to the death by people who would have loved it no matter what. All they want is more time with the characters. It doesn't matter if it's tedious, boring, nonsensical, badly written, insulting to your intelligence, utter trash. You could make a 100 hour game set in Seventh Heaven and they'd like it, because they get more time with the characters. At some point they became obsessed with the characters, but don't actually care about the story or the game they're in.
Is AC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is BC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is CC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is DoC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is 7R good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.

>>716033036
idk he sounds based to me

>>716045454
Everything about the original is bad, everything about the remakes is good. Accept it.

>>716045474
>All they want is more time with the characters. It doesn't matter if it's tedious, boring, nonsensical, badly written, insulting to your intelligence, utter trash
I started to realize that trend. The deal breaker for me was remake onwards. I played my brother's "copy" so I can say I at least gave it a chance. 10 hours was all I could stand

>>716045346
Really if they were going to do this stupid shit then they should've just did it. Sephiroth and Aerith allegedly know where this is going. The whole reason Sephiroth lost in FF7 is by the time he realized what a threat Aerith is, it was too late. She'd already used White Materia, preventing him from doing anything at the zenith of his plan.

>Sephiroth
>Hmm...... She's thinking of interfering? >She will be a difficult one, don't you think?

>[He drops down from the canopy.]

>Sephiroth
>We must stop that girl soon.

So if the Sephiroth of Remake is a time traveler, you figure he'd immediately target Aerith and Aerith would immediately go about figuring how to use White Materia. And the adventure would pivot from there

>>716042692
Waiter? This pasta is stale. I'd like to see the chef personally.

>>716044651
I'm sorry you have ADHD and are incapable of savoring anything. Maybe watch someone else play a sped-up tool assisted run of FF7, or just watch someone react to it. I don't know what your kind desires.

>braindead exploration
All exploration is more or less on the same level. You go somewhere you haven't been before to see what's there. That's pretty much exploration IRL too. How did you manage to get through 30 hours of a game you seem to despise? I won't play 10 minutes of a bad game, but someone who "respects time" grimly grinded through weeks worth of gaming to what end? Making these posts? Bullshit.

Enjoy another (You).

>>716045614
That's one of the things that really pisses me off about it.
If they'd actually had the balls to call it a sequel, then they could've actually taken the story in a more interesting direction. Instead, because it's officially still a "remake", they're stuck following the story of the original, which means it cannot deviate in any meaningful way.

It really should've been something like "Crisis from the Sky: Final Fantasy VII Alternative", similar to how we got "Stranger of Paradise: Final Fantasy Origin".
I'm using that as an example because I don't have an issue with Stranger of Paradise being fucking weird, as it's clearly being sold as its own thing. If however, it was called Final Fantasy 1 Remake, I would've been spitting blood.

I really, really wish they'd had confidence in the brand and just sold VII Remake/Rebirth as a sequel instead. Tricking their customers by calling it a remake was such a fucking awful thing to do, and it's done nothing but harm the game and harm the brand.

>>716045571
I'm trying to provide context. But ok, fine. You tell me, in a medium so incredibly subjective as video games, what makes remake objectively better? More pixels? More polygons? 3D waifufaggotry? Voice acting and camera work that leaves you only missing a bucket of popcorn? Creepy realistic/ anime hybrid creatures? QTEs and walk-alongs? Janky combat bouncing all over but it's super pretty and hardcore and dynamic because your heckin epic music kicked in? Cringey scenes that would seem at least more appropriate in anime, but comes across as turbo cringe with realistic character designs?
Break it down for me, because I'm afraid I'm not stupid enough to understand
>Old = bad, new =gud

>>716045571
I suppose there's nothing substantial beyond
>Old = bad, new = gud
One cannot know good unless they also know evil. If you've only lived in a modern gaming bubble, and refuse to see both sides as they are, don't come at me with your petty halfhearted takes. Go watch more broccoli headed 3 hour long videos covering the same shit everyone else already is/ has, and commit a war crime on those like and subscribe buttons.

>>716043050
Go back to playing pacman old man.

>>716045365
I dunno you can win 95% of action games bashing one button.
That's not a complaint.

>>716047323
neither anons, but hell, there's plenty of "action" games today with combat that can be won by simply holding [combat] button, depending on the system

>>716041721
Do not play pc version its the cucked version with midi soundfiles and shit music

>>716041721
PS1 or heavily modded PC to fix the PC port's issues

>>716047458
I've heard similar grievances about the original pc version in general being the worst version

>>716043417
Remake is literally unfinished and also kind of a psuedo sequel to the original. Play the original

>>716032947 (OP)
>Played the shit out of it back in the 90s
>Tried it again twice over the last few years
>Drop it around Junon every time
I think I've just grown out of JRPGs.

>>716047667
It is tough to revisit in an era of skippable scenes, quicker combat, and smoother sound. It could just be a acclimation thing. Don't lose hope, anon.

>>716047586
I made the mistake of buying it and I had a bug where everyone's mouths were just open, every npc, every party member included their mouth was just hanging open.

>>716042692
>All these legitimate criticisms
>The fanboys start crying
Every fucking time.

>>716044418
Ironically the same people that bitch, whine and moan about FF7 and the remake/rebirth being too long and the pacing sucking are the same kind of people that will make 10 hour long essays on any type of flora and fauna in a soulsborne game.

>>716045346
To be fair the original literally has a time loop at the end of it.

>>716047832
That is unfortunate, but also kinda funny. Not at your expense or anything, but I do miss little goofs like that. I would've probably seen amusement in pretending everyone was in a perpetual state of surprise

>>716047965
No, that's FF8.

>>716048194
Nah at the very end the game cycles back to the very first scene in the game with the lifestream leading back to Aerith's face.

>>716050274
That’s not a time loop that’s a narrative bookend

>>716033174
You forgot that the last part of the game is rushed.

>>716045474
I desperately wanted more time with the characters too but I still have standards so I hated all of that trash.

>>716042293
I FUCKING HATE ZOOMERS AND THEIR RETARDED OPINIONS
TURN BASED KINO WILL ALWAYS BE GOOD
KYS
FRY YOUR BRAIN SOME MORE ON SHIT TOK

>S tier
VII
IX
VI
>A tier
X
XII
>B tier
VIII
IV
V
>C tier
I
III
XV
>D tier
XIII
II

Haven't played XVI or the MMOs yet

>>716033017
IX's combat and encounter design isn't complex enough to dictate how simplistic it's gearing/ability system is. The game is built like a dungeon crawler but every dungeon is like 3-4 screens with a pretty low encounter rate and the only challenge is posed entirely by the player choosing to bash their head against a wall if they want to try utilizing status effects (which only last 3 turns) or character specific mechanics like stealing or eating enemies
It is by all means an overcorrection from FFVIII which was still stupid easy despite having a more open system than materia, double so for trance being even worse than desperation attacks but completely game breaking in the prior mainline game

>>716032947 (OP)
IQ decreasing across successive generations

I preferred FF12, it had the best combat system of any FF game yet.

>>716032947 (OP)
>Played VII for the first time when I was eight
>Thought it was the greatest thing ever
>Spent months trying to beat it and I finally did with help from my dad
>Played it again when I was thirteen, still loved it
>Tried to play it again a year before the Remake was announced
>Couldn't stand it
>Realise it aged like milk
>Feel the same about IX and X too
What's happening to me?

>>716055126
What don't you like about it anymore?

Can we all admit that FF8 is the greatest love story ever told in a video game?

>>716055332
I'm not even sure. I get past the Air Buster and then can't be fucked going further. With IX, I make it to Lindblum and with X, I get as far as the Mi'hen Highroad.

>>716033042
>Replaying games means you are autistic
I don't even do this that much but come the fuck on. Does this mean that watching an episode of a TV show more than once is a sign of autism? I guess cooking the same meal for breakfast every morning makes me the spergiest sperg on the spectrum. Fucking zoomers constantly calling normal behavior mental illness, I swear.

>>716055758
There are now remake fans who have become so bitter about remake being criticized in any way that they are angered by the thought of anyone enjoying the original ff7

>>716050324
I would argue the way Bugenhagen explains the lifestream in the original would make it a time loop.

>>716033541
>remake
you linked the wrong version

>>716045474
>retard cites the best thing about a video game is its characters like its a bad thing
I bet you LOVED Expedition 33 didn't you for the "story" right? Listen any "story" that is exposition driven/narrative driven in a video game is going to be utter trash. Hell I would argue ANY STORY that is narrative driven over character driven is utter fucking slop. If your game, movie, book etc. does not have well written characters it's TRASH. Simple as. This is why 99% of horror movies are all the same tropes and trash time and time again because either the characters serve the narrative (Hereditary) or they are simply not written at all (any slasher flick).
Hell take Godzilla Minus One as a great example of the narrative serving the characters. The human characters were the star of the show, not Godzilla himself and the situation the characters were thrust in, and the growth they go through throughout the movie is so well written that you get INVESTED IN THEM AND THUS INVESTED IN THE STORY YOU GIGANTIC IDIOTIC MONGOLOID.

>>716056039
I still enjoy the original game and I love Remake and Rebirth as different entities. What now?

>>716055552
muh r=u muh squall doesn't make sense muh time travel (that isn't functional and doesn't change anything) is too complicated

>>716056398
Then I'm not talking about you? What do you mean "what now?"
>there are people who don't like cycling a bike
>oh yeah, well I DO like cycling a bike, what now?
>damn I guess I was wrong, everyone likes cycling a bike

>>716056351
nobody said "liking characters is a bad thing" but I know you'd like to pretend that's the point just to refute something that isn't being said.
as if it needs explaining: the point is they don't care how shit the games are, or how shit the films are, or how shit the actual story is, as long as they see the characters they like. imagine a simpsons fan who likes homer so much that they think a season 36 episode is just as good, if not better, than a season 3 episode just because they see more homer. and they think the show should continue forever so they get more homer and they get mad at anyone saying new simpsons is shit because they feel criticizing new simpsons lowers the chances of them getting more homer.

>>716056351
You've proven his point.
You've not telling us what you think is good about AC, DoC, etc because he's right, and you're admitting as much. You like them because of the characters. But they're shit. You should be able to like the characters but accept when they're in a shit story or a shit game.
Instead of crying about E33 or talking about Godzilla, why not tell us why all those compilation entries are good without saying "because of the characters"?
Because you can't, because he's right. You agree with him, and backed him up, but also got mad about it because you don't like to admit it.

Are Remake/Rebirth worth it at all, even on sale?

>>716059593
no sadly. but they are easy to pirate. do NOT buy both before playing either, there's a good chance you won't even want to play rebirth after remake. that's how most people felt.

>>716033017
9 is good and better than 8...but the battle speed is equally annoying and disc 4 is lame...there shouldve been a full mini dungeon for each partys mirror temple

>>716032947 (OP)
>still the greatest game ever made
Probably has the most boring combat ever created in a big budget jrpg and yet for some reason you do a lot of it. FFags seem to like movies and not actually playing games.

>>716057841
Problem is with your example the Simpsons have not had well written characters past the fifth season if that. No growth. No change. The characters in FF7 at least have that in their different mediums but yeah, I'd say maybe after 36 seasons they'd get old too.
>>716058097
I already told you that narrative driven media is tiresome and serves no purpose. The compilation stuff pushed the narrative, sure, but there were some issues with AC and DoC as narrative took a front seat to characterization but ultimately still pushed the overall narrative through it. Cloud depressed in AC? Of course he'd be. He just saved the world from the largest threat to mankind and yet it STILL IS AROUND AND LOOMING and screwing shit up. that's tough to deal with and yet everyone cried out that he was "emo" for some reason.

>>716059593
If you enjoy getting remakes/sequels whatever that expand on the story and give you a lot to do other than just soulless upgrading of graphics and that's it, yeah.
If you're a person that thinks everything should be a 1:1 copy of the original but just look pretty and have no substance to it then no.

>>716061287
What could happen in the Remake series that you would call bad?

>>716032947 (OP)
The sword is such a bullshit design. And you get it from begin, how can anyone play and like this.

>>716060841
So >>716045474 is correct, thank you

>>716060841
Anon you are replying to a shitposter
He will never concede anything to you, dont bother, literally the definition of “lalala im right”

>>716061721
Sephiroth travelled back in time, aerith revives and tifa is killed

>>716032947 (OP)
Genuinely good, but hard carried by its presentation (at the time). Understands what story its trying to tell, so it blows the Demake out of the water on that count alone.

>>716060841
>AC is good because we get more time with the characters
>DoC is good because we get more time with the characters
It's fine to think that if you want, but don't get mad at >>716045474 if you're saying the same thing.

If I offered you a new FF7 game, 50 hours long, but it's not good, you'd still want it to see the characters.

i want to play this one. Should I use emulated version to save anywhere. Need to get a controller though

>>716064658
emulation is the best way to go. ignore the member of the new threat mod team who will insist you play with new threat. new threat is shit ESPECIALLY for first time players.