1 > 3 >2

>>716033237 (OP)
(you)

bait

>>716033237 (OP)
tdp > tds > tma > t4 > tg

>>716033237 (OP)
DMC

>>716034265
wtf is tg

>>716033936
>>716034181
I just finished replaying the trilogy and boy did T2 age the worst. So many barren levels with empty rooms, so much metal and dumb robots everywhere.

>>716034351
a creepypasta about an updated version of thief 1 that had a cursed level

Where does Dark Mod fit into this

>>716034442
Those were issues at the time of release I don't think you actually understand what "aged poorly" really means

>>716034710
Those issues aren't present in T1, its consistently great till a rather limp finale, and T3 is a small-scale game but its stealth and overall quality are top notch.

>>716033237 (OP)
2 > 3 > 1

I put 1 last because i prefer breaking into mansions in the city and less of the dungeon crawling elements. I'm not being contrarian because i still like 1 despite it being my less preferred game. But i am quite passionate with saying that i think the people who claim that Thief is supposed to be a down in the bonehoard sim are wrong. And that is not where it's strengths are. 2 should be seen as a very important game for the stealth genre that really pushed it forward.

>>716035212
Again those are points that everyone already knew 27 years ago so saying it aged poorly doesn't make sense

rating the endings only it would be
3 > 1 > 2
gameplaywise
2 > 1 > 3 (just because 3 was a jank)
overall
1 > 2 > 3 (heavily biased, cause I love 1's setting, tomb raiding and all)

>>716035895
>gameplaywise
>2 > 1 > 3
The biggest downgrade for me with 2 is the absence of bunnyhopping. 1 Garrett feels like he's capable moving like lightning and climbing anywhere, 2 Garrett feels like a boomer with back pain. Metal age also means no wood, and no use for rope arrows. I think I used rope arrows like once or twice in T2 while in T1 its one of your main tools. T1 also had: zombies, giant spiders, burricks, sentient fireballs, various mages, apeniggas, haunts and more. T2 has: dudes and mechs.

>>716033237 (OP)
>AC2 worst than AC3
the fuck?

>>716033237 (OP)
Here's the objective ranking:
Thief The Black Parade > Thief 2X > Thief 2 > Thief 3 (heavily modded of course) > Thief

>>716037867
>objective
>provides no arguments
>inserts community maps
taffer

>>716033237 (OP)
Lost planet

>>716038023
>maps
Those two campaigns are on par or better in quality and bigger in scope than the original games, it's only fair to include them in the discussion

>>716033237 (OP)
The first half of Thief 1 is 11/10, the next quarter is 8/10 and the last quarter a steaming pile of shit.
Thief 2 maintains an above average/adequate quality throughout the game but nothing that matches the first half of Thief 1.

>>716037867
I got into FMs after TBP and realised just how mid and overrated it is. Its a fantastic project when it comes to scope, but if TBP was just 10 random FMs few people would give a shit cause there are much better maps out there.

>>716034442
>>716034265
>>716038592
retards

The Metal Age > The Black Parade > The Dark Project > Diarrhea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else

1 > 2 > power gap > 3 > power gap > 4

Well taffers, any hope?
Any PSVR2 users here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrtbCcnZEhQ

>>716039169
Of course not you fucking retard it's going to be awful lmao

>>716039169
everything you love must be mercilessly raped and killed, then raped again

tg > tdp > tma > tds

Thi4f doesn't count.

If they had had the time to finish Thief 2 Gold, it would probably have been better than Thief Gold.

>>716039169
>Hide in plain sight. Pick every lock. Snuff out every light. And leave no trace.
>snuff out every light
>leave no trace
retards don't know about ghosting

>>716039285
>Thi4f doesn't count.
What you didn't think adding skill tree's to Thief was a good idea?

>>716038592
Do you have FM reccs

>>716033237 (OP)
Thief 4 hard BTFOs Thief invisible war
Hell Deus ex invisible war BTFOs Thief invisible war. It still played like Deus ex. Thief invisible war plays like a jank nightmare

>>716039169
retard

>>716039360
>mfw I stumble upon "supreme ghost" playstyle on youtube
This degree of autism shouldnt be permissible by law.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZvxuJ9dbec

>>716039169
the comments of this pile of shit trailer are so botted it's fucking unreal

>>716033237 (OP)
4 > 3 > 2 > 1

>>716039680
>>716039360
I never understood the appeal of ghosting. You're just missing out on half the game mechanics and can't explore properly. It's much more satisfying to convert the level to darkness, take out the guards and make it your territory to pick over and find all the hidden loot and switches

>>716042923
I could see it as an additional challenge on a second run for turbo autistists

>>716033237 (OP)
I really should play Thief. I hear it's great and the videos I've seen of it make it look great too.
I've played the shit out of System Shock 2 which is basically the same engine, so I should enjoy it.

>>716033237 (OP)
Almost perfect contrarian post, just needed to make it 3 > 1 >2 instead to be the most contrarian opinion ever.

Actual tier list is 2 > 1 > 3 > 4
I also don't believe 4 is even a bad game, it's one of the most over-hated games of all time. It's still the best stealth game we've had since 3.

>>716036304
>Metal age also means no wood, and no use for rope arrows
You didn't play the game.

>>716042923
Try ghosting a few levels and you'll understand the appeal. Gliding your way through the place that is permanently buzzing with guards is much more exciting than "wait till npc turns his back so you bonk them with 0 challenge". Ghosting allows you to truly understand the level, pay attention to its structure, mind the surfaces, remember the good shade spots, internalize the timings, water and moss arrows become much more important (btw I'm not talking about strict ghosting, for example I would consider using flash bombs acceptable, as long as you never get noticed). I recommend ghosting Ascend The Dim Valley, this FM has the perfect level of difficulty for ghosting without obnoxious shit like tile floors and guards that turn around once a century.

>>716034442
Please be warned, a misguided soul.

>>716044279
I've already tried it. I found it boring and annoying. Lots of waiting. Never doing anything. Can't freely explore. Interactions are gameplay and ghosting has none by definition.

>>716043989
thi4f isn't a bad game, it's just not a thief game

>>716045416
fair enough mein negger, to each their own
I dont agree however that
>Interactions are gameplay and ghosting has none by definition
I interact with the guards by continuously evading them, learning their patrol routes, and paying attention to the sounds of their footsteps approaching. To me, its a meaningful interaction. If I wanted to just kill dudes I'd play an action game with better combat mechanics.

>>716045862
another problem with ghosting is it breaks the item economy in the game. Normally when you explore and find items it's a nice reward. It feels good to find those items because they're useful. You collect gold in the map to spend it on items for the next mission. All of that is gone with ghosting since you can't use 99% of the items

>>716042923
it gives enemies danger and fighting chance instead of the overpowered blackjack that always knocks out full grown men with zero repercussions. They really should have balanced it more with randomly timed wake up timers. Where guards can regain consciousness if not properly tied down and gagged with rope, a limited consumable. Woken up guards are perma alert for the rest of the mission and set off alarms/other NPCs

Because that is what Geralt ultimately is, a thief. Whos main concern is slipping in and out of places completely unnoticed to not draw heat on himself. Not some mass murdering psychopath leaving piles of corpses behind

>>716045416
>>716046013
filtered hard. its okay to admit you are just an impatient sperg that wants action in the dark engine of all things

>>716046013
Like I mentioned, I subscribe to the style of soft ghosting where the only limitation is not being seen and not employing violence. Which means the only items that aren't being used are strict weapons like sword, blackjack, mines, fire arrows, and broadhead arrows. You're talking about supreme ghosting which is basically a form of roleplaying.

>>716042923
it’s just a way of building the challenge off the mission results screen, which is one of the secret ingredients for why the LGS thief games are good. Even without tracking ranks or anything like that, it’s very satisfying to go from a level run where you pickpocket only 1-2 people to pickpocketing everybody.

>>716042923
>I never understood the appeal of ghosting.
It takes a particular mindset to appreciate it. I'm pretty sure your average FPS is wondering the same about the average stealth fan.
>There are no witnesses if everyone is dead. What? It's still stealth!

>>716045862
you are right that ghosting feels so good in learning the layouts of the place and moving undetected between the sentries. I have noticed that with a ghosting mindset my immediate instinct is to go as vertical as possible, looking for rafters and rooftops to maneuver around and scout the place

even in what is otherwise a heavily focused action game like dishonored ghosting feels good with the blink mechanic especially.

I'm so tired of gay fucking zoomers getting filtered by thief
>b-b-but where are the guns? What do you mean I can't just kill everybody and run to the end of the level? WTF I have to pay attention and look for stuff???

>>716046614
you're talking about a generation raised on quest markers. no modern game has actually involved THOUGHT in any serious capacity because they're more "experiences" you're guided through.

>>716033237 (OP)
>3 > 2

>franchise progressively gets worse and worse as time goes by
what do you call this phenomenon?

>one of the Apparition's voice lines is "WUUUT?"
>each time I hear it I have the mental image of Mike Stoklasa doing it

>>716047824
Civilization

Thief Gold (never played vanilla TDP) was amazing.
Thief II The Metal Age was disappointing to me. Too many non-human NPCs, and the story didn't resolve in a satisfying way to me.
Haven't played III yet but I will.
What mods are necessary for III? I think I used like TFix or Tafferoatcher for the first two don't remember.

>>716047987
Sneaky Upgrade.

>>716033237 (OP)
1=2>3

>>716047987
>What mods are necessary for III? I think I used like TFix or Tafferoatcher for the first two don't remember.
They've compiled all the essential mods into one patch: The Sneaky Upgrade - so that's all you need. However I'd recommend not installing the new textures or the Minimalist project for your first playthrough. The new textures can be a bit out of place and the Minimalist project, while cool, makes a few major visual and gameplay changes to the point where you're not really playing Deadly Shadows anymore. Other than that install everything else - there's way more major changes than the first 2 games but that's because DS was kinda busted thanks to it's engine/being forced to run on the OG Xbox and the fans have spent the last 20 years fixing a lot of its issues.

probably horrifically outdated by now

Anyone remember LythaJuliania?
>https://www.youtube.com/@LythaJuliania/videos
>https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/tongue%20cancer%20youtube/
>https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/LythaJuliania/

German Thief let's player, I think she was active on the LGS forums too. And had a website and I think active with the mod scene.

I posted about her 8 years ago but I think I heard from her from here.
>LythaJuliana was a fairly low key German LPer who did let's plays of some old-ish games like Thief.
>One day she announces she has cancer in the tongue and has surgery done on it.
>She posts some videos about her recovering from her surgery and then simply vanishes.
>That was 5 years ago.

>Let's recover from the surgeries, pt. 4 - the dreadful "s" sounds
>Last upload 13 years ago

>>716048602

>>716047987
Be sure to toggle in Sneaky Upgrade one of the enemies to be invisible. Or else...

>>716048602
Good FMs are timeless but Tafferpatcher hasn't been relevant in a long time, it's T2Fix for Thief 2 now.
Preferably lite versions of both TFix and T2Fix. GOG versions come pre-patched although they're not up to date which might cause issues with newer FMs.

>>716042923
It's just the higher difficulty when getting all loot on expert becomes too boring for you.
I'll usually trade certain things, like if I ghost then I'll allow some level of mid-mission saving. Other times I allow for KOs but never save until the mission's complete.

So /v/, how do you fix Thief's blackjack (the most powerful weapon in the universe)?
Make hits super loud?
Make it break after X uses?
Every mid-high level player understands that actually using it as liberally as the base games allow drags the experience down.

>>716050842
You don't need to fix it. Just sprinkle in some enemies with durable resistant helmets, who you can't knock out, and some fatsos, who you can't move after knocking out

>>716033237 (OP)
FMs=2>1>>>3

>>716033237 (OP)
DS isnt a real Thief game idgaf some of the original people worked on it.

>>716048602
Thank yuu>>716048881

What do we think of the VR game?

>>716051510
>some fatsos, who you can't move after knocking out
Oh shit that's a good idea. Any FMs with enemy properties like this?

>>716050842
It's simple. I'm not a fag who gets mad and thinks "curated challenge" is all that matters in whether a game is good or not.

Oh boy here we go with the fatphobia again...

>>716051510
>fatsos, who you can't move after knocking out
This is such an obvious but great idea

>>716054290
Black Parade has enemies with unbonkable helmets
>who you can't move after knocking out
Thats literally every nonhuman enemy in TDP and TMA. Zombies also get up if you stay close.

>>716054306
It's not to me necessarily. I just don't like when I have to hold back to allow the game to maintain challenge. The game not being able to cope with the legacy skill and collective playerbase sharing strategies for 27 years is understandable. Any game with as much explicit fan content as classic Thief is to me as much a software platform for amateur game designers as it is an actual game.

>>716054829
>The game not being able to cope with the legacy skill and collective playerbase sharing strategies for 27 years is understandable
I can't stand fan mods built around the mindset "We need to make a challenge for REAL fans of the series!" because they invariably end up being tedious and boring, and ignore a good 80% of the original game's design and mechanics so that they can focus on forcing challenge through a few key mechanics. If TBP gave every enemy a metal helmet and sprinkled zombies randomly into every level while also making you die in 1 hit, it would have been shit.

>>716054643
>every nonhuman enemy
Well there's my blindspot. Human enemies are where the meat of Thief is, which is why I would value those changes more than just making levels filled with non-human enemies. Non-humans to me are more like mobile level hazards.

>>716055001
I prefer to just moderate my use of certain mechanics that deflate the challenge and thus the suspense. Like complaints about savescumming mean nothing to me. That's a self-imposed problem.

>>716055302
I agree completely.

>AS SOON AS I FIND YOU YOU'RE DEAD

>>716046230
>Geralt
your post is invalid