My little Tremere GF can't be this cute.

>>716036070 (OP)
She is cute. I will still miss Elif.

>>716036905
I wonder if the Elif character model will get recycled for someone else, though.

>>716037063
She might, but considering we haven't seen her and her "physical edition" was auto-refunded, I think not.

>>716037063
Anon, THIS is Elif.

>>716037621
There are a bunch of characters in the game that aren't in the dev diaries.
>>716037914
These characters have no relation to Hardsuit's game. They threw out the whole story and all the characters. So Samuel (Hardsuit) and Tolly (TCR) have the same face but are a completely different person with no similarities besides being a Nosferatu.

Your vampire roommate in Hardsuit's version (the one talking in the trailers) was recycled into a character named Dale Beecher. He has nothing in common with the Hardsuit roommate character.
https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/news/dev-diary-the-cast-of-mortals

I'm curious what Hardsuit model was recycled for "The Gardener", or whether they came up with a new model. Mr. Damp seems like an obvious one to borrow, but maybe too on the nose.

>>716037063
probably not

>>716036070 (OP)
Are they seriously going the tremere = STEMfag route? Like really? The ex-hermetic mages? Do they not know of VTM’s cultural influences? Are they just going by the idea that they like experimentation, so they must be STEMfags? Elif had a more realistic look for a Tremere, because she most definitely had a witchy look. They could have at least gone for a character who is supposed to be a psychologist or an anthropologist, you know the type of academic that is believable for Tremere

>>716040778
The archetype of the hard science Tremere has long existed, I don't really see an issue here. The matter is more going to be where the other clan members land.
I was more bothered by the Tremere Boston Chantry in Swansong being composed of black people only. Unless there's a story reason that went over my head, that felt weird.

>>716041937
>the Tremere Boston Chantry in Swansong being composed of black people only
I'll never play anything in V5.
It's the most pozzed, insufferable shit humans have invented.

>>716043584
Well, aren't we thin-skinned?

>>716043789
No, we are white skinned, therefore we don't, or at least shouldn't, tolerate such gross talmudic practices.

>>716041937
I dropped Swansong even faster than you, so this is news to me. But, I remember the opening mentioning the Hartford chantry??? I would certainly expect that to be full of niggers.

>>716038315
>Mr. Damp
I was sad to see him go. Hopefully something stays.
And now we'll never have the answer of whether and how his name fits the themes/mood of the "wave of blood" and getting one's hands dirty in the Hardsuit version.

>>716044178
Wesp confirmed he was a returning character, after he got the chance to play the HSL build. With that in mind, his role seems pretty obvious. He was Vandal Cleaver, and the "Baron" Mr Damp served was Voerman, who was brutally conquering a new city.

>>716036070 (OP)
Cute? She looks like a caked up 35 year old

>>716043584
retard

>>716044178
>>716044376
Bringing back Vandal and expecting the player to take him seriously would've been a huge mistake.

>>16044162
The main issue isn't the homogeneity of skin color, it's the context within which it's happening. A clan or group entrenched within a given local community often makes sense in VtM, but the Tremere are probably the worst fit for it. They tend to be perfectly utilitarian in their choice of progeny and the need to scoop talent in occultism - a rarefied, very spread out field - means they need to diversify to meet their needs.
Even if there was, say a great familly of occultist in Hartford, there's only need of one vampire to take control of it, then you seek over venues to parasite for expansion.
I mean, I don't have a strong epidermic aversion to it, but without proper context it very much feels off.

>>716044603
Silence faggot

>>716044754
kill yourself annoying grognard nigger

>>716044814
That's what your kind does, aids ridden nigger faggot

>>716044603
>>716044754
>>716044814
>>716044941
>can't get anyone to give them (you)s so they start replying to each other
Actually pathetic.

You're all very nice people, and I'm glad I get to spend time with you.

>>716036070 (OP)
>uh look at the waifus in our game
it's gonna be S H I T

>>716044941
suicide among white males is actually highest, join your ilk dumbfuck
you grogfags are worse than trannies

>>716045190
>seething about whites
LMAO
Killing yourself is actually a blessing.
Continue to live as a filth brownoid.
You're probably indian.

>>716044663
To be fair, the story concept did sound better than whatever the fuck this new game is.

>>716045285
>camarilla will let you diablerize someone and that's how you will rise from being a shovelhead thinblood into a 13th gen
no, the whole premise was pants on head retarded

>>716045190
>encouraging suicide
MR ADVERTISER GET DOWN

>>716045461
That's on the nu V5 lore, not the devs themselves.
Yes, V5 is this retarded.

>>716045513
youre fucking stupid

she looks like a netflix original movie actor, fucking hell you fucks are actually gonna buy this slop

>>716045285
I don't know, I think there's not really enough material to properly judge.
Both are pretty solid conceptually, I think. The matter is going to be execution.
What troubles me is that writing was supposed to be TCR's forte and from the very little we've seen of both, the Hardsuit team definitely had the upper hand. ("I'm a beautiful way to die" was perfect for Toreador)

>>716045029
That's nice, anon
>>716045285
I think execution would've been what makes or breaks the main story, I'm just saying that expecting returning players to take Vandal as a threat or intimidating would've been kinda dumb.

I still wish CDPR got the rights to VtM.
I do believe Cyberpunk was the closest thing we had to a modern day Bloodlines successor.

>>716045580
you are the only V5 fan in the world

>>716045819
They do have the artistic chop to pull it off. It's the game design part they lack, but mediocre could be enough for most people.

>>716045819
>I still wish CDPR got the rights to VtM.
Anyone can make a Vampire game with the Vault stuff they have though, no need for rights.

>>716036070 (OP)
>Tremere was the best class in VtmB
>shaping up to be the best class in VtmB: Electric Boogaloo
>also gets the best waifus
Tremere bros, we can't stop winning...

>>716046448
Pretty sure this giraffe chick is out of the game.

>>716045819
>I do believe Cyberpunk was the closest thing we had to a modern day Bloodlines successor
Well that's just sad given how bad Cyberscam was

>>716046513
T-they'll reuse her character model, r-right?

>>716040778
https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/news/developing-tremere

>>716047087
>embraced as old hag
>forever looking like one

>>716046801
They reused the Tremere leader model but turned him into a Sheriff Brujah instead, so my bets are yes.

>>716036070 (OP)
How hairy are her legs and pits and nipples and forearms and happy trail and ass though?

>>716047087
>ends her sentence on protocol and decorum by cursing
Not a fan of this writing.

>>716046448
>>716046609
>>716046801
In the original game she would have been a feminist anyway, she was a "Seeker" and the Seeker mottos are
>Safety
>Empathy
>Equality
>Knowledge
>Empowerment
>Reform
Though we don't know much this reeks of House Carna.

>>716047249
>ends her sentence on protocol and decorum by cursing
Definitely an issue. I have a feeling the person that wrote the blurbs wasn't the one that wrote the characters. The blurbs are layered with weird disconnetcs like that. The Assamites had one of the worst offenders for me:
>Niko is wholly committed to living an honest life, to the point of barely being able to keep a single thought to himself.
>“This vase belonged to a man who promised to visit his mother in hospital but did not. So I ripped out his spleen. Some people really do not know how to behave!”
Which feels so off it's not even funny.

>>716047403
Between shit like this and the Cult of Ecstacy being wholesome chunguses that would never EVER rape anyone or abuse their powers to pursue pleasure(their main fucking thing) I don't know how you're even supposed to run a decent game in the new lore.

I do hope that when the dust settles Paradox are willing to release materials from the cancelled version. Release some kind of deep dive documentary so people can have their curiosity satisfied. Unfortunately a lot of companies like to hide how the sausage was made.

The problem is that there is 99% chance that the Hardsuit version, Elif, Damp, all that stuff was canned because it fucking sucked. That's the blunt reality of it all. Paradox didn't piss away all that money and scrap everything for a laugh. There was something deeply wrong with the game, otherwise they would have just hired Sumo to polish up the game design and get it shipped in 12 months. They brought in another company to essentially redo the game from scratch design/writing wise but reuse assets to cut costs. You'd be surprised how much assets cost to make in game dev. If you can halve the number of character designs you have to make, you can save a lot of money. Every asset they can reuse is an asset they don't have to pay someone to make. They didn't actually save all that much time in terms of development time. This has still taken 4-5 years to make. But they saved money, and that was always the more important consideration. Linkedin posts make it pretty clear that Paradox wanted to keep costs down and this was an a pressure that has affected the entire game.

>>716047657
Just because the characters claim something doesn't mean it has to be literal truth.
I personally /love/ house Carna as a catastrophic collapse waiting to happen.
In the case of Elif: just becasue she claimed to be nice doesn't mean she wasn't a little tyrant wolf in sheep's clothings.

>>716047754
>I do hope that when the dust settles Paradox are willing to release materials from the cancelled version
Hoping in vein. That shit is going to be forever vacuum sealed and burned. It's going to be many years until someone tries to whistleblow about the troubled development. Which is a shame. Then again, that's also how people are forced to connect dots and couple together facts that may or may not be true, like if Brian Mitsoda cheated on his wife with Cara Elingson which is why development faltered and which is also why his wife filed divorce papers around that period, etc. How the studio did absolutely not work during covid and that the Ubisoft executive game salvager saw this and told Paradox.

>>716047403
It appears the developers are not entirely allergic to midriffs, so hopefully we do see some character designs like Elif. One paranoia people had was that Elif would be too SEXUAL for the new art direction of the project. But I think that's not the case. I think is a shame that they're obviously gonna avoid outright sleaze, though. I get quite a bit of Swansong energy, and I think that's just reflective of the brand Paradox want.

>>716043789
Thin-blooded, actually

>>716044082
Based

>>716048002
I have to imagine the bars in this game will have 9 people in them maximum

>>716048138
there are more than 9 npcs in that picture alone

What I find extremely funny is how Paradox spent a lot of money on clan marketing for the HSL version, which now no longer exists. It's like looking through a mirror darkly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEbiJ3n6WA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqssAY5t2yw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksm1q0Zo4Do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtuRwOi6S_Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUYAuvhVzgs

>>716047967
>Hoping in vein
Nice, thread-fitting typo.

>>716048356
I loved the voice acting for the Toreador one. Also, the art mistake in it is hilarious, especially in post-AI hindsight.

>>716048002
>Hole in the Wall
That's in Chinatown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fDhd5wpcvs

>>716048356
Missing one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEyIRdC2QWY

I miss V20.

>>716048794
Thanks

>>716047249
It's millenial writing. For some reason modern writers think that cursing = mature.

>>716048213
in that picture there is

>>716047403
>>Safety
>>Empathy
>>Equality
>>Knowledge
>>Empowerment
>>Reform
Gay.
It's weird how V5 really went hard on the "sexism on the pyramid angle". Like, it existed, but some of the most iconic Tremere were women and in their backstories sexism existed, but it wasn't a huge deal.

>>716048356
>no Malkavian
>no Toreador
dropped

>>716049152
Modern leftism praises identity based victimhood. More oppressed = more good, so they stress it everywhere to show who is good and who is bad.

One thing TCR seems to get right is the exaggerrated features of WoD. The architecture is more vertical, more extreme. HSL was too obsessed with creating a to-scale and accurate Seattle. Probably because the studio was based there.

>>716047967
>How the studio did absolutely not work during covid and that the Ubisoft executive game salvager saw this and told Paradox.
What the heck?

>>716050007
bruh, the same graffiti decal 3 times on a promotional screenshot. This better not be recent.

>>716050191
Nah this was like five or four years ago.

>>716048356
Why is his head so huge???

>>716048138
They're using UE5's MassAI crowd system, so it will have fairly large crowds that turn into proper NPCs when attacked. (Assuming they don't end up compromising. Making games like this is hard.)

>>716050468
Isn't that just the Assassins Creed Unity crowd tech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz2cNWVLncI

>>716048356
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtuRwOi6S_Q
Another recycled character model, I assume.

>>716048356
All these moments will be lost....like tears...in rain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLgsy7XOTSw

>>716050827
The chances are high

Hardsuit Lou I will never forget you...

>>716050887
Damn, was that paticular video posted anywhere else, or was it just for the event?

>>716051373
Yup, here it is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhrfkxOHxqw

>>716050007
Yeah WoD is kinda like if gothic architecture never went out of fashion, just got more modern.
Look at this Gotham city like skyline.

>>716051436
Thanks, had managed to totally miss that one.
At 27 seconds, the brujah design was taken as is in TCR's version.

>>716050827
I want the dommy mommy asian vampire to step on me.

>>716051676
He's just older and gruffer now, but yeah, the design is pretty much the same.

Compare Tremere's blood boil in HSL to TCR
https://youtu.be/EGDDp6L-Chc?t=28
https://youtu.be/xEWgR6dg1Vw?t=19

>>716051948
I don't wanna be that type of guy, but the original was a lot better.
https://youtu.be/xEWgR6dg1Vw?si=DP04sLtJKjfgXAKi
>longer animation where the npc is helpless
>cool hermetical circle appears behind it to signify the magic nature of the power
>limbs and pieces of the body flying.
Once again, I'm baffled at how 20 years of technological evolution result in an objectively worst product.

>>716051948
There's some more clips of it here, too.
https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/news/dev-diary-advanced-combat-and-weapons

>>716051558
>venture tower
It's Ventrue! VENTRUE!!!
God damn it AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHhhhhhh.

>>716052205
I definitely agree

>>716052207
The Ventrue mind control ability looks pretty fun

It is interesting to reflect that very few developers have ever VOLUNTEERED to make a VTM game. It was almost always pushed onto them by someone else. Redemption and Bloodlines were existing pitches greenlit on the condition that they be reworked into VTM games because the publisher owned VTM. Bloodlines 2 was allegedly pushed onto TCR by Sumo.

In their press statement, Sumo talked about their desire to work on fresh original IPs. It's hard to know if this is pragmatism of bitterness on their part. Because you can draw some parallels to Larian being pretty clear they're never working on licensed games like Baldur's Gate 3 ever again.

>>716052361
Funny too, considering that TCR parted ways with Sumo a couple of days ago.

>>716052213
> It's Ventrue!
It's not.
https://vtmb.fandom.com/wiki/Venture_Tower
And that's Kemintiri, not a Ventrue Justicar.

I am eagerly anticipating the game, but deep down I'm worried that the team bit off more than they could chew. If you read Glass Door it's a mixed bag, and one of the recurring points is that the studio was/is understaffed and the game was coming in super hot with its original Q4 2024 release. Now of course they've been given two delays. And that's good. But it speaks to behind the scenes disorganization and chaos that will probably show in the final product. It's the sorta game where official screenshots have typos. That is so weird to me.

That said, I could see this being an Atomic Heart situation where everyone is shocked by how polished the final product is despite the obvious seams.

>>716052205
I don't know, bit out of place, but I do like the body floating for a short spell in TCR's version.
I honestly don't have any strong feeling about the change, to be honest.

>>716052507
The joke.
Your head.

I mean, it wasn't particularly fun, but still.

>>716052361
>>716052487
Sorry, to clarify, TCR said they're excited to work on original properties. Sumo have stopped all work on original games and only want to do outsource work. They were looking to sell or close down TCR. So TCR found some venture capitalist types to help them buy themselves out.

>>716052639
>I'm worried that the team bit off more than they could chew.
It wasn't their choice to begin with. As the story goes, when Paradox was extremely unsatisfied with Hardsuit Labs and pulled the game away from them they considered cancelling the game entirely. Sumo Digital, the publisher, then approached Paradox and said they could continue the work, which Paradox agreed on. Sumo Digital then hoisted game development over on The Chinese Room without giving them much of a choice.

>>716052964
Just realized that the male character in the center of the poster is now Fletcher in the TCR version. Ventrue.

>>716052285
Nice
>>716052964
Not nice.
It's a small thing but indicative of things.

>>716053136
>as you know dialogue
Bad omen

I really don't know what the big idea is delaying their marketing push until LITERALLY three months from release. I figure they're gonna release the new gameplay walkthrough and stuff in the last week of July at the earliest. If they pus hit back to mid August that's even more insane to me. This game needs a big clarifying PR push, and the longer they leave it, the more confusion sets in. I sometimes feel like Paradox are not the right company to be in charge of this because they fucking suck at marketing.

>>716053136
Good catch... this is really going to turn into a where is waldo thing, isn'tit ?

>>716052487
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/the-chinese-room-is-independent-again-heres-how-it-happened
Explains the recent layoffs, then.

>>716053016
True. That rumour seems very solid because it goes all the way back to mid-2021 well before it was public knowledge that TCR had taken over. Allegedly the original release timeline was "2 years". That lines up with vague talk about how the game could maybe release in 2023. That was what paradox had wanted. Something cheap, fast, nasty. But evidently TCR were able to persuade them to allow the project to continue. Also Paradox likely started getting cold feet about releasing a shit, unfinished game.

>>716053380
Same goes for the character you see front and center in the Baron poster here. She used to be Josephine, liutenant to the Baron character. Now she's a vampire hunter.

>>716053725
Here, "Agent Baker". They kept her hair and glasses it looks like. Looks mostly the same.

>>716036070 (OP)
Looks like a Saints Row character without any fun or attitude.

>>716053796
Good move. This character looks ridiculous, like James Brown if he had been a tranny.
Making it a glowie means I can look and be repulsed by it physically and spiritually.

>>716053679
The amount of money Paradox has sunk into this game now must be ungodly. Not Ubisoft shitshow levels, but still much more than they are comfortable with.

>>716053725
I really appreciate the digging you're doing, anon. This is really interesting stuff.

>>716053895
Look, I respect the right of artists to make the characters they want to make. All I'm saying is why couldn't the black vampire hunting chick have been super hot?

>>716053796
Making older people - and especially older women - take on the badass projection is always a difficult gamble. Can work wonders when you pull it of, but hard sell.
Too bad, because vampire, with the supernatural powers, can help make it happen. As a human, it's going to take great execution. Narrow window.

>>716054115
np, it's a lot of fun

>>716054362
It looks lame.
Nobody is intimated by women.
A vampire looking like that and being "badass" wouldn't work, only of its a deliberate subversion, like a really old lady that can lift a truck.
There's cool old vampire hunters in the setting and they're male for this exact reason.

>>716054578
This. Women can be cool, but only when they display masculine traits.
You simply cannot make a woman with her face full of make-up seem cool.

Anyone know if Lou still has a fat ass in TCR's version?

These days, I only get my WoD fix by playing the Princes of Darkness CK3 mod.

>No amount of sales will ever be enough to reclaim the costs of this game
I'm so excited

>>716054578
>Nobody is intimated by women.
I call bullshit on that one. The Crone is an archetype for a reason. Women in position of authority can definitely be intimidating. Project the right aura. As I said, the issue is more the /badass/ projection. That one is hard to pull/sell.
>>like a really old lady that can lift a truck.
Again, as I said: the supernatural powers can really help sell it.

>>716055214
>Women in position of authority can definitely be intimidating.
The position is intimidating, not the person.
A child with dictatial powers is terrifying, but it's not the child, it's the authority it wields.
Women aren't intimidating.
The respect one has for Crone like figures is the respect for the elderly and the well lived.

>>716036070 (OP)
does this game even have a release date yet

>>716036905
>Elif
Who?

>>716055518
October but not official yet.

>>716055079
At this point, it appears that everyone involved with the production of this game just wants to get this over with.

>>716047087
Sexiest woman they're allowed to put in the game, and they had to fight like hell to keep her in.

>>716036070 (OP)
>That
>Cute
Shills really losing the plot

>>716054850
hows it work? do you have to build a vampire society in the shadows or is it just ck3 and everyone is a vampire?
i have played a lot of ck2 and 3

>>716055214
lmao no

TCR have laid off more people as they split from Sumo.
https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/the-chinese-room-is-independent-again-following-management-buyout
There are currently 55 developers with no plans to lay off more.

>>716056089
>>716056123
Enjoy.

>>716055689
>>716046448

>>716055826
I hope the retards delay it again.

>>716055518
>>716055826
Eh, it is an official release date in the sense that the devs have consistently said "October". But it doesn't have a locked down DAY in October yet.

>>716050120
They didn't want to risk catching COVID by working remotely, please understand

I just want to have sex with the goth vampire girls

>>716047087
>>716056298
>at least 2 vampire grandmas
>look uglier than a nosferatu

>>716050605
That tech must be lost to the mists of time, since we don't see large crowds in Assassins Creed any more.

>Shill campaign in full swing
It really will get released this year, huh?

Kek, the shilling starts. Indians as usual were told to shill sexo in a game without any sexo whatsoever.

>>716055443
The power is, and the person weilding it /can/ be, for knowing said power is being weilded.
Two different propositions.
Not going to change your mind over this obviously, but at the very least consider how the "stern looking math teacher" look can still get full grown adults to recoil in front of no authority nor actual menace.

>>716056481
Where?

>>716056536
I want "the stern looking hot female math teacher" look to recoil me if you know what I mean.

>>716056536
>Not going to change your mind over this obviously,
Anon, he's not the only one who thinks you're being retarded.
Stop trying to protect your worldview by assuming that those with different opinions are inferior. It's rude.
>but at the very least consider how the "stern looking math teacher" look can still get full grown adults to recoil in front of no authority nor actual menace.
Will you consider the possibility that you might be projecting here? That your unresolved teacher trauma might have an effect on how you assume the world works?

>>716056536
Yeah, but once again it derives from the position.
I can buy intimidating women in more unrealistic and deliberately bombastic settings, but when you're trying to be at least more grounded like they appear to be doing here and which the WoD is supposed to be (somewhat) it falls flat
>>716056536
>the very least consider how the "stern looking math teacher" look can still get full grown adults to recoil in front of no authority nor actual menace.
No?

>>716056298
Looks like my former friend's evil sister

>>716056947
>Stop trying to protect your worldview by assuming that those with different opinions are inferior. It's rude.
But clearly correct in this case.

>>716056947
>assuming that those with different opinions are inferior.
Ok, just to make sure, because I might have lost something in translation here: what did I say that made you think that?

>>716047403
alright
into the jar she goes

>>716056167

CK3 and everyone is a vampire, yea. But there is some fun worldbuilding in there that makes it different. Like vampire powers, managing your hunger and masquerade exposure. And the big end game crisis that you are forced to fight is the rise of the Shadow Inquisition when it starts purging Europe of vampires, so you get to experience those events first hand.

Some interesting decisions you can make too, depending on which clan you choose to be a part of.

Always funny when brownoids give themselves light hazel eyes in fiction when in reality they are all black soulless bug eyes

>>716044663
Was the serial killer realy supposed to be Vandal?

>>716057716
Yeah, it's pretty obvious.
He's malkavian, his design matches Vandal's and he's often seen with a cleaver (Vandal's last name is Cleaver)

>>716057910
His voice is totally different though. He's the one in the Malkavian clan reveal trailer.
>>716048356

>>716057212
Don't know why, but I was quite convinced you were going to pull a Balalaika.
>No?
Fair enough.

>>716058431
Wonder if the camarilla prince of the HSL version is still the prince in TCR version

>>716058431
>Don't know why, but I was quite convinced you were going to pull a Balalaika
I don't think that's true.
>Fair enough.
Mhm.

>>716057910
>He's malkavian,
He's a ghoul

>>716058669
Not in the cancelled version of VtMB2. Therese sired him, that's the thing.

>>716056298
This shit can't be real...

>>716058669
No, Mr. Cleaver is Malkavian
>>716058389
The delivery isn't that different, it's a different VA but he's being more serious than the obvious comedy sociopath Vandal was.

>>716058490
The HSL "Prince" design went through several changes if I remember well - he didn't look like the design on that image by the end of their run.
Would need to look back on it.
I'm personally wondering if he's not the one getting killed duting the TCR introduction. Which would explain Lou needing to get back into the fray. And his absence in the "Betting Man" trailer.

>>716058630
>I don't think that's true.
Can't prove it to you, so in the end things will have to weight on how charitable you're willing to be in taking a fellow anon's word at it.
That said, I really don't see what one would aim to win by such a lie.

>>716059902
It doesn't need to be a deliberately lie, you can just think it after the fact and then think you did it before.

>>716036070 (OP)
Fuck the tremere

>>716059121
>>716058768
Oh ok, I think that would have been an interesting scenario. Not for the entire game, but as an earlygame plotline.

>>716060410
Roughly, with no protection

So TCR have had more layoffs (because of the Sumo Digital split) and are down to 55 people now.

>>716060880
How many were they before?

>>716060410
>>716060615
Are we talking literally, or metaphorically?
>inb4 "yes".

>>716060958
Nobody seems clear. I would guess close to 100. Maybe more.

>>716036070 (OP)
>Making consecutive threads ala a general
So we're officially in the shilling stage like what happened last year?

>>716062239
always surprises me how paradox manages to spend so little time and money on their games, but will go full out on shilling

DEATH TO ALL USURPERS. THEY ARE NOT EVEN A REAL CLAN. DEATH. DEATH. DEATH.

>>716062239
The Game Informer article is dropping on Tue. It's already Tue in my region. The studio just split from its own and had layoffs. There's a lot of talk about.

>>716057342
The "Not going to change your mind over this obviously," part implies that the other party is emotionally attached to the topic and that you cannot convince them with facts and logic.

>>716062495
The one mistake Tremere did was aim for Saulot.
The Salubri are the Clan of the Healers, magick is Will enforced shaping the world.
He should've diablerized Tzimisce, of the Shaper Clan.

>>716036070 (OP)
no breasts no money

>>716063063
Oh fucking try it you fucking WHELP

>>716063063
Treme is a coward and had to punch down

>>716063476
Where there is a Will there is a way.
>>716063567
Diablerizing Tzimisce would've also been punching down.

>>716063841
>Where there is a Will there is a way.
>Immediately gets taken over by the guy he tried diablerizing
KWAB

>>716063972
Slanderous lies.
Etrius has assured me Lord Tremere is fully in control and commands.

>>716064402
Damn bro, nice cock.

>>716044178
He's now definitely going to be Fabien, the Malkavian voice in your head.

>>716060410
After playing Swansong, yes, fuck the Tremere. They are absolute goddamn snakes the entire lot of them.

>>716064609
Fabien wasn't a malk originally. He was a thinblood.

>>716064954
Yeah, I know, and then he underwent extensive rewrites.

>>716064609
>>716064954
That said Mr Damp being recycled for either Fabien or The Gardner seems likely.

However, I got the vibe Fabien was black from his voice. Maybe I'm just retarded though.

>>716064867
it appears our superiority has led to some controversy

>>716065063
He's the one that voices the Betting Man trailer. Does he actually sound black to you?

>>716062559
Imagine caring when a "it's a review trust me folx" "drops". Where's the gameplay?

>>716063063
it's okay, most of the Tremere for nuked off orbit in Vienna

>>716062369
>so little time
Uhm, VtMB2 was in development for how many years?

>>716062559
>Game Informer
They died though.

>>716066845
They're back, funded by some NFT group

>>716066898
Why can't the rot just stay dead?

>>716066758
>V5 canon
Lol

>>716067293
>reddit filename
Lol

>>716067293
I was in the thread for the creation of this, blessed
>>716067353
It originated on 4chan from a drawanon you absolute nigger.

>>716067353
I stole it from google

>>716067293
I opened it. Fuck all of you.

>>716067810
Same. Shoutout to my man Lacroix.

>>716067810
You shouldn't have.

>>716044376
>>716044663
So... Why does HE have HIS voice? Is Vandal's OG VA no longer among the living, or what?

>>716036070 (OP)
>they made the Tremere a jewish doctor
cant make this shit up

>>716069826
Nah, he was voiced by one of the most prolific VAs around, but no one knows that the fuck goes on on these casting decisions.
For BG3, only Jaheira's VA had retired, Jim Cummings and Grey DeLisle were still active and didn't get to reprise their iconic roles.

>>716069952
She's vaguely Persian, not a Jew.

>>716069826
If you look at his CV you'll see he his extremely busy, and likely expensive.

>>716070524
Man I wish orthodox islamists didn't take over Iran.

>>716052213
No it’s Venture, as in GO TEAM VENTURE!

>>716071860
Carl Sagan?

>>716056416
Hitman has good crowds but they're not real NPCs and don't react to the player doing illegal shit.

>>716051558
This looks straight out of the VtMB skyline too.

One thing I never understood about WoD is why the fuck didn't pivot to more traditional cRPGs, the type of games designed from ground up to be way more like the tabletops and easier to translate? We've had 1 shitty attempt with the VtM Retribution and that was it. Vampire specifically and also Demon and Mage are designed in ways to either discourage or straight up skip combat to be more social heavy too

>>716074496
No one will fund it because market research shows that only fantasy cRPGs do well, dark ages could probably work but it's a niche in a niche setting-wise.

>>716075072
Didn't the small budget Shadowrun games do well, same as the Rogue Trader game? Wasteland series in general? Fallout 1 & 2 for older titles?

>>716075502
>Shadowrun
>HK was the best one out of the bunch by far
>It apparently was the least liked
How?

>>716075072
There is no market research here, just feelscasting.
>>716076631
They messed up the pacing by having just about every npc give you a massive text dump every time you return from a mission, they made the Matrix worse, and the usual diminishing returns since it's the third game using the same engine.

>>716077484
>They messed up the pacing by having just about every npc give you a massive text dump every time you return from a mission
I guess I can see this one, although I really enjoyed how you were rewarded for paying attention because the antagonist wasn't something you could just punch a hole through through normal means and you learned how to fight it through folk lore and research mixed together.
That, and the characters were really interesting to me so I didn't have any problems with the text dumps unlike PoE1 for example where I would read everything some spouted but couldn't get myself to read others

>>716076631
I didn't like HK, and Returns was my favourite.

>>716075502
Nowadays, an urban settng must be diverse and inclusive, and it kills sales. Maybe.

>>716067293
Ikr

>>716074496
>designed in ways to either discourage or straight up skip combat to be more social heavy too
that's exactly why

RIP, the last gothic WoD game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0hEenozI0Y

>>716036070 (OP)
I can't believe I'm kinda excited about VtMB2. I know it will be shit but still...

>>716075072
Dark Ages feels like it's in kind of a middle ground where it doesn't exactly vibe with any of its potential larger demographics desu. Still my favorite but I don't think a faithful adaption would ever have the breakout potential.

>>716080448
At this point im just desperate for a vampire game. VtMB2 will not be a good Bloodlines game, but maybe it will be a good vampire game.

>>716080448
Same.

>>716080448
a weird mix of lowered expectations and simply just wanting to get it over with and see it for myself is kinda making me look forward to it too

>>716080648
Yeah, they don't make enough vampire games

>>716080356
Disco Elysium was a massive hit and it's not like the said books can't have combat, but more like one side will consistently nuke the other kinda way so you can have your power fantasy combat too.

>>716081102
>Disco Elysium was a massive hit
Because its writing was actually good and the story is told through dialogue, not massive textdumps.

>>716080648
I think they had to advertise it as BL2 or else there would be little to no attention from people.

>>716081265
This is all about marketing, doesnt excuse it.

All the bitches look like the safest of corpo hornys. Disgusting.

>>716067810
Why wouldn't you open it on the first run? It makes the most sense if you're actually roleplaying a Vampire out for power.

>>716079810
cringe af

>>716080448
You got more of her?

>>716081210
VtM had two really good text adventures (no, not the VNs) so they have people they can use

>>716036070 (OP)
why is she jewish????
where are my redheads????

>>716082351
You mean the one with the obnoxiously gay asian vampire who fights the power in New Mexico?

>>716082351
The people in charge are told by their marketing team that good writing won't sell, so though luck

How can people here unironically support this garbage?
Like, don't you know the original team got hijacked by woke cultists and suddenly the game entered in development hell (unsurprisingly)?
They make all characters ugly because they say it's discriminating to make pretty characters, they removed malkavians talking to regular objects because they say that offensive to people who suffer from real mental conditions, etc.
And you want this game to come out? It should burn.

>>716082272
No I don't even know who that is

>>716081435
I don't condone it but it is the nature of the beast sadly. I'm just glad there's another vtm game that's not a glorified visual novel.

>>716082536
The original team? The original team which was already woke, you mean?

>>716082536
are you talking about troika when you say original team?

>>716082536
They're boomers, anon. They simply don't know any better.

>>716082605
>>716082668
Sorry, more than hijacked I should have said "replaced".
Fuck paradox. PERIOD.

>>716082424
>obnoxiously gay asian vampire
You mean the player-sexual one that you can kill and doesn't actually hit on you unless you do first?
>who fights the power in New Mexico?
Anon faction wars have been an important thing in the series for a long time and for good reason

>>716082536
the fuck are you saying schizo

>>716082968
He comes on to your first suggestively.

>>716080310

>>716082910
troika had been defunct for a decade by the time paradox got the rights, they weren't replaced because they were never an option.

>>716082536
Who is supporting this shit?

>>716083095
>focusing on the word choice instead of admitting the dev team is composed elusively of they/them woke fanatics
You are either defending them or are just autistic and can't let anyone use the wrong word on the internet.

>>716083382

>>716083548
Is this JAV?

>>716083654
Alice in Borderland Season 2

>>716082605
https://kotaku.com/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-is-getting-a-sequel-1833479366
This is the main writer talking about the game.
Like, even if you say that the original game was very woke, the new dev team seems to say the original one is too controversial and problematic, so do you even doubt that the new one is more woke?
>>716082993
That the dev team is woke. Do you think i'm lying? Do I need to bring even more proof? Do you think it's a coincidence all the characters reveled lately are all ugly?

>>716083334
read the thread
everyone is acting as if the game will be good, when it already passed through like 3 development hell periods and despite firing everyone in the team it's still woke as hell

>>716056298
>when someone tells tranny devs that we need more attractive women dressing in sexy clothing again

>>716083848
This is from the Hardsuit version you fucking schizo, Eliison gog sacked and got replaced Sarah Longthorne (pic related)

How are you people so adamant on shit you have no clue about?

>>716083848
That is Carla Ellison, the former co lead writer for HSL version of VtMB2 which is canned and cancelled. Do you even stay up to date on games you shitpost about. No.

>>716084092
>>716084058
Woke activist got replaced by another woke activist. Also, it's not like what she did got canned with her when she got fired (with good reason).

Now he is moving the goalpost because he got called out for retardation.

>>716084724
>Also, it's not like what she did got canned with her
they changed the story and the characters entirely. also stop moving goalposts.

>>716083848
>Mitsoda
>doesn't work on VtmB anymore
I still wanna know what happened behind the scenes beyond rumors of the team not getting any work done

>>716083927
Are you sure it’s not the one schizo that occasionally tries to shill this shit? He tends to come here every once in a while to say this will be good but can’t actually say why.

>"NOOO THE GAME IS NOT WOKE I SWEAR"
>also the game:
https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/news/dev-diary-hunters

>>716084941
>>716084997
which goalpost you shill?
my point is that the game is wooooke
why are you so scared of people saying that, shill?

>>716079810
>Powerful Elder vampires who've lived for centuries and probably owned black slaves themselves at one point
>Shitting their pants at some literal who zesty buck who came out of nowhere
Who writes this shit?

>>716085049
>hire they/them terminally online twitter users, lots of women whod idn't playthe first game cuz woman powah
>they ruin the gameplay, don't work, can't program for shit and have to be fired
jeesh I wonder what happened there...

>>716085049
Mitsoda is a has-been, dude haven't made anything worthwhile since Bloodlines
>>716085184
my last (you) for you fag, use it well
>>716085114
>A BLACK WOMAN AAAAAIIIIIEEEE

>>716085315
The same kind of retards that think gay Muslims are a thing.

I'm not one to scream "shill" on every thread about an upcoming game, but how can anyone be excited/want to defend this dumpster fire?

>>716085392
she was so cute bros, why couldn't I make her my ghoul

>>716040778
Brujah should be the hard science clan with some malks and nossies.

>>716085430
its simple, i like wod and i like vampire games
yeah its going to be a shit Bloodlines game, but im ok with having fun with powers

>>716085392
>doesn't even try to deflect the allegations that the game seriously has some serious ideological bias
yeah, you are either an autist or a shill

>>716085114
I think I'd rather have Debra Wilson and her chrome dome in the game instead of this

>>716085579
>I know it's shit but I just need to consooooom
sad!

>>716083042
Maybe I am remembering things wrong, who knows
All I remember is the writing in at least 2/4 text adventures being good, including Night Road with that stupid sea monkey Julian

>>716085579
>it’s bad but I don’t care because I get to consume product from brand
Shill

>>716085315
someone eager to be unemployed

>i don't like this game and other people should share the same opinion as me REEEEEEEEEEE
This is what you fucking sound like

Tremeres are niggers, plain and simple. Everything about them lorewise is kinda lame.

which vampire are you?
the tranny or the tranny (male)?

>>716085669
>>716085739
hivemind replies
i don't want to play it as a bloodlines sequel you retards, i just like vampire games and vampire simulators, i like gliding through the air and making people explode inside out

>>716080448
I'm excited to watch it bomb, and to come into VTMB 2 topics and listen to shills honestly try to pretend it's a good game. It's going to be fucking glorious

>>716085814
>Trying to FOMO yourself this hard over this zombie franchise sloppa

Why cant i be a Nosferatu...

>>716085960
Because you already are in real life.

>>716085857
>it’s a shit game and I don’t want to play it but since it has vampires and is branded I will consume anyway
The drone calling anyone else a hivemind. Go back to your cuck cage you already outed yourself here.

>>716085661
Debra would make a pretty good vampire desu.

>>716086085
>>it’s a shit game and I don’t want to play it
are you actually slow? I like the game, I want to play it, the gameplay looks fun, I just don't like the fact that it has a bloodlines name on it, because its clearly not a bloodlines game

>>716081035
>Fangs
>Reflection

Thinblood or just dumb artist?

>>716085841
They and the Hermetic magicians are like the only cool pure magic using factions in WoD

>>716086421
Nigger the only clan to not actively have reflections is Lasombra, what are you on
Speaking of, why the fuck do the games keep skipping Lasombras when they are infinitely more popular than most other clans and well liked

>>716086594
Shadow powers are difficult to animate I guess

>>716086421
I don't think it's got anything to do with VtM, concept art for some vapourware that gets posted here a lot because they girl is cute.

>>716086320
You acknowledge it’s shit, you said you were going to play it anyway because you like WoD and vampire games. So yeah you’re just some faggot shill trying to get people to consume slop. You can complain about that but all that does is put you more. You came in saying how you don’t care about it being slop yet you’re crying that people are calling you out for being a retard with no standards.
>because its clearly not a bloodlines game
Cool it’s still a shit game, trying to preemptively cope and say “well it’s a bad bloodlines game but a good vampire game” is just pathetic.

>>716086320
aren't there like, better vampire games?

>>716086772
>You acknowledge it’s shit
Yeah you're a retarded faggot, not even gonna read the rest of your post, I wish they didn't name this Bloodlines 2 so I didn't have to wrangle tards like you

>>716086884
No.

lol @ the malk wannabe schizo that's losing his mind over someone wanting to play the game.

>>716086884
I played all of them, I even played LoKs and Elder Scrolls for vampirism

>>716086973
>vampirism in Elder Scrolls
I am so sorry

>>716086973
and you call other people schizos?
I knew you had the tism in you pal. It's the only way someone can defend this game.

>>716085919
idk if you've noticed but there's been a concerted effort by these pathetic shills to hype this game up in the past several months. It's pretty ridiculous how transparent they are with it, like no one will notice.

Schizo anon is malding so much behind his keyboard he cant even quote posts correctly now.

>>716086892
>Yeah you're a retarded faggot
Oh look baby is mad that his bullshit is getting called out and he can’t cope it away.
>not even gonna read the rest
>translation: I can’t argue this so I’m going to pretend i didn’t read it to try and upset you
Like a fucking toddler.

>>716087130
???
read again retarded shill
I quoted correctly.

>>716087071
Definitely I'm the autist and not the schizo who can't comprehend that someone who likes vampire sims would want to play this vampire sim. Apply yourself.

>>716087371
I mean, the only point I was trying to make is that it was woke. Why do you still call me a schizo if you agree with me? Like, yeah, it's probably gonna be bad and and pozzed, that was my point, and you started arguing and calling me a schizo when you actually agree?
I think I deserve an apology anon. If you do so I will forgive you for being so autistic.

>>716036070 (OP)
When was she embraced?

>>716089076
Judging by her fashion, last month

>>716087108
>concerted effort by these pathetic shills to hype this game up in the past several months.
More than that. I think ever since the game got revealed as being made by TCR.
It was actually quite funny. The shill went though different phases, where he had recurring topics and phrases.
>The Dan Pinchbeck Phase
Here, the shill would constantly extolls the virtues of the fag that wrote Still Wakes the Deep. How it was his vision that made VtMB2; how his leaving don't matter because the writing was already done. He also started mentioning how it was a totally different game from the Hardsuit version and that there's no proof the game is gonna be woke.
>The Deus Ex Phase
After people mocked him relentlessly for his gay Dan Pinchbeck sucking off, he shifted gears. The recurring point now was how the game would be like Deus Ex HR and MD. How it was sorta like them, a modernized take on classic; how the RPG elements were all there;
Now he seems to have jumped into a different phase where his shilling is less obivous but some of the previous points are there.

I'm sorry to have to misquote a malkavian on this bitch, but seriously, the level of paranoia on display here is staggering.
The fact that you can barge in a thread where the general consensus can be summed up as "the game is very much unlikely to live up to the original, but we hope it's decent enough that we have something of a good time out of it" and and see it as concerted shilling is mind-boggling.
You've reached a level of militant negativity where even lukewarm, wet-blanket takes is too much to bear for you.
Seriously.

>>716093846
Shills have been caught red-handed here many, many times. Our paranoia is fully legitimate and substantiated. Also, guerilla marketing for any game usually means it will be dogshit, and rare exceptions only prove the rule.
In addition, VTMB2 has been a cocktease for 20 years, with endless bouncing back and forth between studios, trailers that amounted to nothing, insiders feeding people bullshit, and all sorts of development hell.
Therefore, be so kind to excuse our scepticism, nigger.

>>716036070 (OP)
Ventrue> the rest

>>716093846
Like >>716094931 said, shills have been caught in these threads many times.

>>716045029
Die shill

>>716093846
Don't bother, they won't change their minds.

>>716095551
Live the shit life you deserve to the bitter end, you miscarriage waste.

>>716095793
This, your obvious shilling has been too obvious.

It fucking sucks that more people have been laid off at the studio.

>>716085430
People like The Chinese Room's games.
People like the idea of Deus Ex with vampires.

>>716045405

>>716096746
>Deus Ex with vampires
Called it.

>>716053796
>Generic glowie spook / navy seal hunters
>No sovl characters like Bach

>>716097269
VtMB 1 is basically Deus Ex with vampires.

>>716098951
And this sequel isn't. And yet one guy is claiming it is as a reason for him to get excited. Curious, no?

>>716053796
hey, that's raceswapped Edna Mode

>>716098753
Well there's this guy they've been hinting at, but we have nothing solid about him right now.

>>716097269
That would actually be cool if done well. Honestly they could make it from the ground up from the perspective of a 3rd person RPG/FPRPG like Deus Ex but reskinned with World of Darkness with a need to periodically feed blood from human NPCs and the game would win GotY. This is such an easy game to make and get millions to pay attention with the basest of coomerbait, I wish I knew how to make games.

What are some good games that are like VtM:B, bros?

>>716099174
Lone wolf true faithmaxxer or tied to the SoL, call it.

>>716099847
>This is such an easy game to make
No, it's not, there's very few studios in history of the medium that could pull it off, and right now with all the lay offs, the talent is hemorrhaging.
As Conlotanio said in a recent interview, money people think they can just spit money when needed and make it happen on demand, when in truth it takes a lot of time and effort to gather all the talents needed and turn them into a working team.
I mean, I'm not even sure there's a studio beside Arkane Lion that has a reliable chance of pulling this off right now.

>>716100145
I haven't so much given a glance to the hunter orgs since V5 (no use for them in the recent games I've ran), so I'm not taking any bet. That said, if he *is* tied to an org, I won't be surprised.

>>716099046
It seems heavily influenced by the newer Deus Ex games.

>>716047754
Bro the first version looked horrible
Have you seen the character model of that anarchist chick with a chip on her shoulder ? The one with the barret

>>716048356
Its like some put a straw into his head and then blew that thing up by like 1,5x

>>716101545
>Have you seen the character model of that anarchist chick with a chip on her shoulder ? The one with the barret
That was a returning character: Damsel from the first game. She's actually in this version, but I think her character model is new. At this point it's unclear if Jeanette is also returning (she was in the Hardsuit version apparently?) The difficulty lies in two things. One, the team is reluctant to have memberberry callbacks. Two, the plot is completely rewritten.

But yea, the Hardsuit version of Bloodlines 2 was a mess. And this was starting to show in the marketing where the game was supposedly getting closer to release, but things looked very strange.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN448PFGtX0

>>716056298
Why would any vampire turn a fucking granny into his kin ?
If it was an accident why wouldn't the vampire clans get rid of old vampires once they are turned ?
How would you ever make a standing within the vampire society of you have the base body of a fkn boomer. this is so bizarro.
I really wonder of they have some convoluted justification for this or if they just expect us to not ask questions. Is there anything explicit about this in the table top game ?

>>716099174
I wouldn't be totally surprised if "Santiago" the mysterious vampire hunter works for Lou.

>>716101545
Damsel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95H0zhZOv4w
I think what people are generally saying is that the HSL version certainly looked like it suffered from severe issues, but also that, as a game, it looked closer to what we expected a follow up to Bloodlines to be like.
If I make sense.

>>716101908
She’s not a vampire. She’s a mortal prostitute.

>>716100057
Unironically, Deus Ex.
Different vibes, aesthetic, genre and themes. But the games play very similarly.

>>716101513
Yes, I have pointed out how the shilling uses this as an argument.

>>716101861
They've also mentioned the taxi driver in one dev diary vid, but I don't know whether to take them seriously on that one.

>>716101980
I'm still hung up on what Lou's "My blood is singing. I will wait for you." at the end of that one trailer is supposed to mean

>>716102364
The problem is that it's a valid argument. If you look at the footage, it has Mirror's Edge-style climbing, and guns are also temporary upgrades like in Mirror's Edge. It has Dishonored-style stealth. It has Deus Ex-style dialog and progression.

>>716102539
My guess is that she’s feeling the call to the Middle East like all Elders, and that its one of the ending dialogues with her.

The drip feeding of information is starting to get old. The game is 3 months out. This isn't the time for pussyfooting. This isn't the time for "wait until Gamescom". Give us a big meaty chunk of like 30 minutes of gameplay, a cross-section of exploration, quests, combat, stealth, all that good stuff. If the game is good, it will be self-evidently so. (Although to be honest, I went back and looked at the 2024 footage, and you know what? Nothing about it looks specifically bad. I think people were bitching and moaning because of mismatched expectations. Using a dream sequence was an odd choice to show off the game.)
https://youtu.be/HwhvfH-Ij8Q?si=yOJ4pj6c3bAbOMzC

>>716102575
>The problem is that it's a valid argument
Be less obvious.

>>716102889
Honestly, I'm coming with very low expectations on the gameplay front, so the demo probably left me a lot less worried than some (well, XP on kill is worrying, it's like they learned nothing from Human Revolution, but we'll see).
What really bothered me with that demo is the writing. That is supposed to be TCR's forte, and what that demo was showing was not good.

>>716103209
>What really bothered me with that demo is the writing. That is supposed to be TCR's forte, and what that demo was showing was not good.
But that's the thing. I went and watched the demo again and.... there's nothing wrong with the writing? That I can see at least.

Since Paradox shills are among us right now, there's a non-zero percent chance that Outstar will read this: I fucking hate you and your gaggle of retarded marketers but I still wanna cum inside ya.

>>716103209
>>716103336
In fact, I'm struck by what a huge jump in quality the writing (and voice acting) in the 2024 demo is over the 2019 footage. The Nosferatu character is particularly well acted. The mixing is a bit off, but that's not really an issue of writing or acting.

>>716103336
Looked at it again a couple of days ago, actually.
That moment when the nosferatu is spilling the beans? Awkward writing by itself (especially when they could use the device they've already set up of you hearing his phone conversation while you wander the illsuion to give you that data). But then your character explaining to you what you've just seen? And then Captain Obvious in your head restating it just in case? No, that was really awkward.
Not enough to dismiss the work completely. But worrying.

>>716103414
Please show us on the doll where the Outstar touched you.

>>716103814
>Please show us on the doll where the Outstar touched you.
I wish. Dishonest shill or not, she's cute.

>>716103814
I get what you're saying, but I also think that audiences are fucking stupid so RPG devs in 2025 will absolutely hammer in plot points like, "THE GARDENER" over and over because if they don't, players will be confused.

Paraniggers should just demo the game on Youtube already. There's nothing substantial that can be fixed over 3 months or whatever it is.

Haven't posted this in a while. This was in one of the studio reveal videos, which I think is now unlisted?

>>716104618
>black female in a lead position on the Camarilla
I thought V5 went all on on the lefty bullshit and made the Camarilla racist and misogynistic

>>716104481
As a counterpoint, in some of the best RPGs (in the large sense) the plot is irrelevant.
> Skyrim
Something something dragons, but you can fuck off and do whatever you want.
> Dark Souls
Something something undead, now go fight the boss.
> Diablo 2
Something something Diablo.

These game tell you what to do to get the next portion of the game loop, and there's also a story, but you're free to listen or not. To look at it from the player's perspecrive, vidya writers are not entitled to player attention, especially given that they tend to write

>>716056481
holy shit you stupid retarded faggot get the fuck out of this website you absolute baboon nigger monkey

>>716100145
Society of Leopold uses a different cross, that one has no connection to them as far as I know

>>716105252
>given that they tend to write
trash.

Does the game have older women though?

>>716105335
Shill explodes with quite a delay.

>>716105252
Weird of you to dismiss the plot in a sequel to VtMB which is hard-carried by its plot, story and writing. Nobody discusses the intricacies of VtMB's combat nowadays. Also,
>Skyrim
>Dark Souls
>Best RPGs
I hope you're baiting.

>>716105415
you're brown, and retarded

>>716104982
I'm reasonably confident someone whacks the sheriff (Benny Muldoon) fairly early in the game, and you get the job. Of course my immediate thought is that maybe this was the plan. Maybe you are not quite what you think you are and are in fact some kind of double agent that the villain is positioning into a position of power.

>>716105410
Yes. The Tremere leader (I think she teaches you Tremere magic?) is a granny.

>>716105424
Skyrim and Dark Souls are discussed 15 years after they released., so yes these are good games with cultutlral impact.

>>716105252
Hats off on that one. The video was still on last or so, I downloaded it then.

>>716105252
A core distinction between the games you mention and Bloodlines 2 is that in the later, the manipulation of narrative elements happens to be part of the gameplay. As such, quality of writing and of the narrative bricks, so to speak, are vital matters. You can't totally ignore them, they're your building materials.

>>716104997
Not at all. Read the books/play the games.

There are a few lifesim games out there and I'm seriously, legitimately shocked there isn't one for vampires. Text only type of deal would probably be incredibly entertaining.

>>716105975
>Not at all
>>716079810
Lol
Lmao even

Man I'm not typing a long ass post this time
If you're a vampire you're better off becoming an infernalist, just saying
It just really is the best you can do, not gonna elaborate, you wanna be a shitter that's on you

>>716105964
Cannibal Holocaust is still discussed 40 years after its release. Context matters here. If you enter a Skyrim thread, everybody will tell you to play the game modded and that there isn't anything worthwhile in the vanilla experience. Something which you can see for yourself if you actually played the games you talk about and aren't just regurgitating marketing statements. As for Dark Souls, well, there's a reason "rollslop" is a derogatory term nowadays.

"The Gardener" is plausibly a returning VTMB1 character. There's a quote from Lou in the "delayed to October" video:
>There was someone... I'd forgotten, I thought he was gone. His destruction will change everything.
Then again, he could be someone completely new. I'm not deep enough in VTM lore to know if there's a Seattle-oriented character that could turn up like this.

>>716106074
Check out the Choices of Game VtM books if you haven't. I found Night Road pretty decent.

>>716104982
>we're not like you, most of us look after our own
Early draft before Fabien was changed from Thinblood into Malkavian I see

>>716106204
I played night road an incredibly long time ago and still remember the gore pile and blood orgy. Didn't know there was another, maybe I'll replay both.

>>716106176
PUNISHED LACROIX, BAAABYYYY

>>716106267
Good point. I'm also unsure if he was a detective/PI originally.

>>716106152
>Man I'm not typing a long ass post this time
Nergal isn't sending his best. He's sending kindred that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing demons. They’re bringing diablerie. They’re infernalists.

I really do hope they throw us a bone and have at least a Jeanette cameo. Don't lay it on too thick, but a nice nod.

>>716106153
Context is CRPGs, which is the best thing for VtMB2 to be associated with, because that's where fans actually buy games and play them.

>>716106351
LaCroix is either blown to bits or he got executed the next day.
It's obviously Nines

>>716106543
Yet previous threads have proven that VtMB fans don't want something like Dishonored or Deus Ex like you marketers want to believe, we want a sequel to Vampire: the Masquerade - Bloodlines. The fact that you're trying to excuse lackluster plot and writing, going so far as to compare it to Skyrim of all things which you yourself admit has absolutely shit writing, doesn't bode well for the game.

>>716106675
Bloodlines 1 was highly derivative of Deus Ex. But it had some late 90s PC CRPG DNA in there as well.

>>716106447
It's 4am, almost sunrise, not a lot of time left for propaganda and I'm lazy
Fun fact, nergal/shaitan/hupzicatuli or whatever is spelled is in torpor in Mexico and white wolf once said he's the reason why Mexicans are lazy, because they're corrupted by him

>>716106776
>white wolf once said...Mexicans are lazy
Hehehe

>>716106760
Bloodlines is derivative of Deus Ex only if you're one of the retards that think it's an "immersive sim". The fact of the matter that you're trying desperately to move away from is this: VtMB is remembered solely for its atmosphere, character designs/animations and writing. All three of those aspects showcased so far have not hit the mark and Paradox has been running damage control in order to compare the game to other games that are not related to VtMB in order to lessen the blow.

>>716106421
One of the interviews mentioned that Fabien will often say things that are blatantly not true, but he's convinced they're true, so that can't have been a trait in his thinblood incarnation. Also, someone said the betting man trailer is narrated by Fabien, and to my hear he sounds totally different to the old gameplay footage.

>>716106176
>>716106576
The Gardener is going to be Lilith, Caine or someone very old and biblical, as was teased in the initial HSL cinematic. Adam was the first gardener and farmer, after all.

>>716105975
I personally think that games end up being good thanks to managing to favorably present the setting and thanks to beinng accessible, but despite whatever trash (plot lines, personal philosophy, fetishes, etc) devs shove in. Ao dor me, the best case scenario for a VtMB2 game is somehing that focuses more on showing how cool it is to be a Vampire in some American downtown (ok, sounds dodgy already, but devs gotta make an effort) and leass on some particular details of a particular plot, which is going to be hard to care about.

>>716106961
>VtMB is remembered solely for its atmosphere, character designs/animations and writing.
Deus Ex is primarily remembered for its atmosphere, writing, and amazing music.

>>716107172
Are you being intentionally dense or does mouth-breathing come naturally to you? You're the only one going on about Deus Ex here. This is a thread about the sequel to VtMB, not a sequel to Deus Ex.

>>716106972
>Adam was the first gardener and farmer, after all.
Interesting... It could be Caine, though.
>In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the LORD.
>And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering, but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast.
>Then the LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”
>Now Cain said to his brother Abel, “Let’s go out to the field.” While they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.
>Then the LORD said to Cain, “Where is your brother Abel?” “I don’t know,” he replied. “Am I my brother’s keeper?”
Firstly, I can absolutely see The Gardener being everyone's favorite taxi driver. Secondly, the FUCKING AUDACITY, CAIN.

>>716107337
It's impossible to avoid comparing them. Remember Deus Ex 3? The one being developed by Warren Spector? That got canned. Then they bought in another studio to make their own sequel (prequel, really). The same dynamics are at play here. (Also another team at that company made a new Thief game which is, you know, controversial.)

>>716107595
So, in your mind, all games that go through development hell are similar. Sure buddy. The game will still be compared to VtMB upon release and there's nothing you can do about it. No matter how many times you try comparing this garbage to other games, it's still VtMB2.

>>716107419
>the FUCKING AUDACITY, CAIN.
Maybe it's just me but it really does sound like capital G was a picky eater that got mad how one of his children didn't enjoy being treated unequally when he was doing his best and went onto taunt and scold him

>>716106861
I miss 90s WW, which is just another way of saying I miss 90s liberals. Unintentionally racist, well intentioned prejudices and beliefs in stereotypes, a laissez-faire attitude towards fags and browns.

>>716107764
>So, in your mind, all games that go through development hell are similar.
No, I mean games that specifically change developers, and the new dev goes in a more casual, mainstream-oriented kinda direction where they keep the broad strokes of the original design but significantly streamline them.

VTMB2 is to VTMB what DE: HR is to DE.

>>716107595
Retard, how are you this blatant. Are you AI?
>>716092537
I've already called you out for your shilling.

>>716107838
I always assumed the brothers in Mouse Hunt were a bit of a parody this. One brother slaves over the beautiful roast for the father, but he only cares about the string it was wrapped in. Leaving Nathan Lane bitter and jaded and cynical. Key difference is you don't fucking brain your sibling because (sky) daddy showed favoritism.

>>716108026
Oh yeah, I'm sure the devs made something really great that inspires confidence and can carry the franchise in a new, successful direction. It's so good the parent company is positively ecstatic at the thought of sharing the love with others.

>>716108230
Paradox aren't interested in expensive story-driven singleplayer games anymore. It's just business.

>>716108363
Story-driven games? Didn't you just say that in the best RPGs the plot is irrelevant? Pick a story and stick to it, man. Paradox doesn't have confidence in its own fucking game, they just want to recoup whatever they can of the massive losses they incurred from the development hell the production went through.

>>716107838
I mean yeah the big G was picky and he was so throughout all of the Old Testament but that doesn't exactly mean you should bash your brothers head in with a big rock.

>>716108535
Even if the game is good there's no way they can recoup the costs of a 7 year development.
It's like the Veilguard thing. That shit was destined to fail, even if it was a moderate success.

>>716108535
No, that was me.

>>716108801
Good. Maybe WoD will finally get out of Paradox's toxic grip. I hope VtMB gets shelved forever after this disaster, no need to tarnish its name more than this.

>>716108179
>>716108546
Oh c'mon Cain didn't know what he was doing there literally was no concept of murder or head trauma before him

>>716036070 (OP)
The usurpers are vile abominations in the eyes of our dark father. They should be flayed alive for 1000 years.

I do not care for Clan Tzimisce.
They insist upon themselves.

>>716108535
Paradox want to shift to a purely licensing model where VTMB3 gets made by a different publisher. There is basically zero chance TCR makes Bloodlines 3, just as there's zero chance Larian ever works on Baldur's Gate again.

>>716109396
That's if the upcoming piece of shit is successful, which it won't be.

>>716109480
It has to flop to complete the symmetry.

>>716109480
What is the game plan if the game is REALLY good. Like, a bit jank in places, but otherwise a generation-defining RPG?

>>716109706
>

BTW the deadline for the Game Informer cover article dropping lines up pretty closely with when TCR usually release trailers and dev diaries and stuff. So I think the Game Informer article actually lines up with some kind of embargo much like how the PC Gamer hands-on in March did.

>>716109706
Game plan? I have everything to gain from being wrong. If it actually had any chance of being good, I would've been fucking ecstatic as a VtM fan but that's a pipe dream. Paradox doesn't have faith in it, marketers are comparing its plot with Skyrim and all that we've seen so far is subpar in every way. It would be a genuine miracle if it turned out good, let alone "generation-defining."

>>716108954
True but no matter what he did what he did out of peak jealousy and malicious intent. Maybe he didn't want to kill his brother, but he wanted to HURT him. And that's still a bad thing.

>>716109706
The plan? As usual, to seethe on /v.

>>716109706
Literally impossible with V5.
The best case scenario is what the shill himself admits, a nu Deus Ex case, where the game are good, fun with memorable and well developed characters and game elements but that doesn't really measure up to the original and isn't a huge success.

>>716036070 (OP)
Is that rachael maddow?

>>716109853
>Paradox doesn't have faith in it
Because it's a singleplayer game that cost a lot of money and they're not into those.
>marketers are comparing its plot with Skyrim
Delusions.
>and all that we've seen so far is subpar in every way.
If you say so.

>>716106153
Ok, I guess I see your point: if VtMB2 is not developed as CRPG, but rather some kind of adventure.or walking simulator game rhen what I say doesn't apply. Given how long VtMB2 was in development, maybe Paradox indeed wants that Last of Us audience.

>>716110324
Dude we know what the game is. We have 28 dev diaries, and multiple articles from PC Gamer talking about their experiences playing it. Why are people talking like the design vision is some unseen enigma?

>>716110240
>Because it's a singleplayer game that cost a lot of money and they're not into those.
If they weren't into those they wouldn't have sunk so much into the game and its shilling now, would they?
>Delusions.
Just CTRL+F "Skyrim" and you'll see it for yourself, that's if you aren't just being intentionally daft or baiting.
>If you say so.
It's not just me saying it, most anons in every thread are saying it. Hell, the shill OP's replies are entirely people dunking on him for trying to push the Tremere design as anything but trash.

>>716110324
VtMB2 shouldn't be developed as anything other than the sequel to VtMB, which isn't what's happening here. The game lacks all the aspects that made the original memorable in the first place and has focused entirely on chasing trends. It's not even really gothic. As one anon put it: you get the sense Troika fucked, Chinese Room doesn't fuck.

How playable is VMTB on modern machines today? I've always wanted to play it. Just never got around to it.

>>716110565
>If they weren't into those they wouldn't have sunk so much into the game
2021 was a different time. The market shifted in the year since.

>>716110565
>The game lacks all the aspects that made the original memorable in the first place
Such as?

>>716110631
Just install the game via Steam and install the unofficial patch off MODDB. Works well.

>>716044746
They took over the society of magical neagros or whatever that flick was called.

Are there no indie spiritual successors or games at least similar to this

>>716110565
>>716110658
If Bloodlines 2 had been scrapped and rebooted a year later, Paradox likely would have shitcanned it the way Embracer shitcanned the new Deus Ex.

>>716110881
There's some random vampire games but they all suck.
If you want a visual novel play the racist eurocop game.

Any good modern mods for VtM:B yet, or are our only unique content options still the sabbat and the clan mod

>>716110881
This is quite good. Different kind of game, though.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2401410/Cabernet/

>>716110658
The market shifted? Oh wow, then maybe they shouldn't have been chasing trends like making a Johnny Silverhand character in the first place and focused on making a sequel to VtMB.

>>716110716
You only need functioning eyes and a pocket empty of a Paradox check. A map devoid of any gothic charm or the rundown feel of VtMB, lackluster character writing, dialogue done in the style of Mass Effect (because they brought in a guy from fucking BioWare) with absolutely zero bite to it and wouldn't feel out of place in Fallout 4, character designs that are completely nondescript or extremely derivative (look at the fucking Asterion Ventrue), absolutely shit animations, etc.

>>716111060
>The market shifted?
Yes. It's why Embracer got cold feet about making a new Deus Ex game, too.
>A map devoid of any gothic charm or the rundown feel of VtMB
Because it's 20 years later and they're going for a noir style instead of an industrial style.
>lackluster character writing
Seems fine to me. The voice acting and writing in general seem worlds beyond the earlier Bloodlines 2 attempt, at least.
>dialogue done in the style of Mass Effect
Why do people list a bunch of games when the dialogue is a direct ripoff of the Deus Ex system? Like what the fuck? No wonder Embracer cancelled the new Deus Ex. Obviously nobody played it.
>character designs that are completely nondescript or extremely derivative
What do you mean? They're all THE SAME CHARACTER. (Technically there seem to be two face variants. The bottom row is newer than the top.)

>>716036070 (OP)
Reminder that Tremere women are generally going to be nerdy wicca/occult types, so you're dealing with some socially awkward autist goth, i.e. she is likely to have a hairy pussy and she probably doesn't bathe every night.

>>716111060
>character designs that are completely nondescript or extremely derivative
Really?

Apparently Lou doesn't like Tremere and she gets pissy if you flirt with the Tremere girl in her presence, especially if you are also a Tremere.

>>716111362
That biker dude looks like a ftm

>>716111278
>It's why Embracer got cold feet about making a new Deus Ex game, too.
No? They canceled it because they didn't get the oil money they were expecting. An new, real DX was already in limbo because the retards at Squeenix had been fucking over poor Eidos to hell and back.
>Because it's 20 years later and they're going for a noir style instead of an industrial style.
Terrible idea. People liked the look of the first game. People like visual continuity. Imagine if Alien Isolation looked more like Prometheus. Nobody wants that.
>>716111278
>Seems fine to me. The voice acting and writing in general seem worlds beyond the earlier Bloodlines 2 attempt, at least.
Eh.
>>716111278
>Why do people list a bunch of games when the dialogue is a direct ripoff of the Deus Ex system?
Because in your deep shill retardation you don't seem to understand that the first Deus Ex game is called Deus Ex and when you talk about a "Deus Ex system" anyone that isn't a shill with the same obligatory bullet points as you will think of the original Deus Ex.
And it's not like DXHR. It's way closer to something like Inquisition.
Jesus. You've been doing this for over a year now and you're still terrible at it.
The least you could do is leak something cool here like Eidos did for DXHR, but I doubt you fuckers have any decent to show.

>>716111481
Probably is. There will be at least one tranny in the game, mark my words.

>>716111362
Is it just me or does everyone look kinda blobbish

>>716111278
I genuinely can't tell if you're a marketer or just actually mentally challenged anymore. Your obsession with Deus Ex is concerning. The team has an ex-BioWare dev at the top ranks. Nevertheless, VtM as a concept and setting is deeply intertwined with gothic culture. What we're seeing is generic as fuck sleek trash that elicits no emotional response. Again, the unique ATMOSPHERE is the main draw for VtMB. As for the character designs, I showcased Phyre because they're the most egregious example and the PC. Phyre's designs have nothing unique going for them unlike in VtMB. Nobody will remember Assamite Phyre in a hoodie fondly.

>>716111362
Is this supposed to be a counter?

>>716111603
A Tzimisce flesh crafter named T'ahl Ayveev

>>716111576
>Imagine if Alien Isolation looked more like Prometheus. Nobody wants that.
I don't actually like the degree to which Isolation sucks the first movie's dick. They should have modeled it after something like Resurrection.
>And it's not like DXHR.
It is fucking IDENTICAL to HR's system.

>>716111641
Yes, there's a kind of wetness to them that is also evident in Still Wakes the Deep.

>>716110380
What we saw of the game was some combat and some yapping, which tells zero about what the game will be like.

>>716111735
Yea, and the lead designer of Human Revolution came from the Far Cry: Instincts team.
>Nevertheless, VtM as a concept and setting is deeply intertwined with gothic culture.
Yes, but not late 2000s goth culture. That ship sailed a long time ago.
>What we're seeing is generic as fuck sleek trash that elicits no emotional response.
If it's so generic, name a single game that looks like it.

>>716111735
>Nobody will remember Assamite Phyre in a hoodie fondly.
Couldn't you just wear one of the other gazillion outfits the game offers?

>>716112052
>some combat and some yapping
that is the game retard

>>716112052
>What we saw of the game was some combat and some yapping
The game has a huge numer of dev diaries.
https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/dev-diaries
They've shown so much of the game that they ran out of things to talk about.

>>716112080
For the love of God, man, stop bringing in Deus Ex. I don't know what Paradox is feeding you in your scripts but you have to learn to improvise.
>Yes, but not late 2000s goth culture. That ship sailed a long time ago.
VtM is literally late 90's, early 00's goth culture, you can't separate it from that without making an entirely different IP.
>If it's so generic, name a single game that looks like it.
Cyberpunk.

>>716112140
God, I hope those designs got axed, holy shit.

>>716112140
Holy fuck a Sopranos reference in 2025?

>>716112370
Holy fuck, I was wondering who Phyre's face reminded me of in that pic. We got Ichabod Crane in the game!

>>716112292
It’s clear you don’t know what V5 is and how that altered vtm.

>>716112667
V5 is abysmal dogshit universally panned by the fanbase, and?

>Phyre
still cant fucking believe it

>>716111362
these literally look like free assets you'd see in some indie solo dev unity game

Why modern VTM looks so faggy? At least the previous media was edgy but had some charm.

>>716112080
>Yes, but not late 2000s goth culture. That ship sailed a long time ago.
2000s goth nostalgia is insanely trendy right now though

>>716112814
written by and for fags who are in turn trying to placate some other fag who wants to pretend he's a woman because of some porn or anime he saw

>>716112232
> Quite literally some combat and some yapping and that's it.
An no, I'm not reading words words words.

So which text adventures were actually good and any of them interconnected?

>>716112928
That’s what all reading is.

I want to fuck Damsel

>>716113203
>tomboy anarchist
guaranteed hairy and always angry, hard pass again

>>716112292
>Cyberpunk.
I don't think it looks anything like Cyberpunk.

>>716112370
>Holy fuck a Sopranos reference in 2025?
Yes. From the game's original director.
>The inspirations were clear for me: dark US dramas like Succession, The Sopranos, The Wire, House of Cards. Anchor the gothic in the contemporary. Know that monsters exist in boardrooms and bars everywhere. Know that we live in a world that pretends it’s slick and sophisticated but where we’re still beating each other to death with the jawbones of asses. Know that you could get knifed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but you’re as likely to die from the poison dumped into your water in the pursuit of profit. Know that immortality is a curse as well as a blessing and that too much power strips humanity away like acid.
The Sopranos is an explicit influence.

>>716113726
>I don't think
Yeah, that's evident. Even in your pic, the neon lights are fucking garish.

https://youtu.be/HwhvfH-Ij8Q?t=628

>>716113686
nice, I want to see her pubes
actually I know that feeding feels better than sex, I'll be her ghoul

>>716113850
I would not characterize Cyberpunk 2077 as neon-noir. Not enough focus on purple, cyan, and magenta, and too much naturalistic light.

>>716113953
Then you haven't played Cyberpunk, even looking up images on Google will prove you wrong. Just because snow was added doesn't mean it's suddenly not the same shit.

>>716112080
>Yes, but not late 2000s goth culture
You're fucking retarded if you think that.
First, it's late 90s/Early 2000s.
V5 moved away from it and it's a failure, despite being the officially supported and marketed version it can't outsell V20.
>>716112667
Ah, so you are retarded.

>>716113879
>feeding feels better than sex
You can do both.
Most vamps don't bother because it's a waste of energy and having an emotional dependency is a risk.

>>716114003
Eh, I don't quite agree. The look VTMB2 is going for is ripping off Only God Forgives, John Wick, The Neon Demon, also Drive to some degree. Cyberpunk 2077 has Keanu Reeves in it, but the overall visual direction of the game isn't quite the same. There's shared influences, but I can't really call Cyberpunk NOIR. VTMB2 is explicitly noir. It has a noir soundtrack. You have a detective in your head. The streets are snowy and lit by burning neon. There is a core aesthetic here that is different to what Cyberpunk aspires for.

There's a shitload of Blade Runner influence in Cyberpunk 2077. But it doesn't really visually have the same aesthetic tone.

>>716114117
>>Yes, but not late 2000s goth culture
I mean to write early 2000s, the point where we saw 90s culture give way to Queen of the Damned, VTMB1, Underworld, that sort of thing. Sorry for any confusion.

>>716114315
Cool. They still look visually similar and Fabien is definitely made to cash in on the Johnny Silverhand hype years ago, even if Cyberpunk is not noir. Yet there remains a glaring issue here: VtMB2 is not goth.

>>716114462
I don't buy that because TCR were making games with mysterious voices who may or may not have your best interests in mind long, long before Cyberpunk 2077. (The Engineer in Machine for Pigs is the missing part of your soul that became warped and malevolent and disillusioned.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfpPnmkkaDw

>>716114462
nta but World of Darkness, VtM, has not been goth for almost a decade now.

>>716113686
>guaranteed hairy and always angry,
Anon I already want to fuck her, you don't need to convince me.

>>716114398
Well, you're not very well informed regardless.
Late 90s has more in common with early 2000s than the early 90s.

>>716114550
TCR's entire team changed IIRC, the guys who made AMfP are not the same guys making VtMB2.

>>716114553
And everybody hates it for that as evident by V5 being universally reviled while V20 is loved.

>>716114696
>TCR's entire team changed IIRC, the guys who made AMfP are not the same guys making VtMB2.
The plot, characters, and general design of VTMB2 were laid out by Dan Pinchbeck (who wrote and directed every TCR game) before he left the studio in 2023.
www.danpinchbeck.co.uk/vampire
The game has absolutely changed, and he didn't write the dialogue, but the central vision of this game was his. He came up with Phyre, including the name. He came up with Fabien. He came up with the art direction, the central story themes, all of it. Then other people took over. The game is still very much a reflection of his ideas, evolved by other developers.

I can excuse VtMB2 shilling, but I draw the line at pretending V5 isn't shit.

>>716114909
>He came up with Phyre, including the name. He came up with Fabien.
Wow, he sounds like a fucking retarded faggot.

>>716114909
>Pitch creation and creative leadership, concept adaptation to fit publisher and IP requirements, gameplay vision (including mechanics, tone, player experience), Creative Direction (prototype, pre-production & production, until Alpha (spring 2023)), Narrative Direction (including story and character creation, overseeing writing and level design team, establishing narrative architecture, style guides, working with Kate Saxon/SIDE on casting, voice direction and editing), Publisher liaison (specifically IP/Branding teams).
These are not trivial things.

boy i sure am looking forward to playing as some rughead vampire and not one of the og clans haha

>Can't play my two favorite clans, Tzimisce or Hecata(cappadocian)

>>716102105
Thats... Even worse

>>716115880
Horrible taste
I'm gonna make a new thread and title it after you.

>>716109706
I don't doubt that aspects of the plot will be good since Mitsoda and his guys worked on it

It won't be enough to fix all the other shit that comes from the very fact that trannoid libs have made This game

>>716116596
Mitsoda's version was a disaster that even Paradox recognized and from everything we've seen it was just "I CLAPPED! I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW [Reference to the original game]!" I honestly don't know which mentality is more trash, the current one or Mitsoda's.

>>716116596
>I don't doubt that aspects of the plot will be good since Mitsoda and his guys worked on it
Dan Pinchbeck threw away everything the previous team wrote. In his words "We were never going to finish someone else's game."

>>716115880
Told ya
>>716116863