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>>716046451 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=b9CgrnKZ_vY

Where we dropping?
I find the Frisian freedom interesting.
>>716046502
Hadn't heard that one before. Good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXB7k1YFq6o

>>716046451 (OP)
In English, doc?

only germans would think this is fine

>>716047854
>t. straight line border enjoyer

>>716047854
most of the big blobs you see on that map there were just barely more centralized
the average european king of the time could only directly control one city (usually the capital where he stayed) and at best had a few percent of "his" territory under cucks who ruled as administrators, could be easily replaced and whose children couldn't inherit. the remaining 90-something percent were hereditary lands of nobles who swore fealty to him, which was more or less lip service depending on the country.

If they all spoke the same language, had the same religion, looked the same, have the same culture why didn't they all build a giant country earlier instead of killing each other? You never see indians or Russians and China kill each other and they're giant countries

>>716048896
Because people aren't an ultranationalist hivemind. City X wants to throw off the overlordship of Duke Y who wants to attack Baron Z in order to increase his personal power. How does Mainz or the Archbishop of Cologne benefit if the empire was to annex Hungary?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLdEOqfEouw
>Be Ambitious
I am unironically hyped for EU5. They just need to cleanup the UI (and 3D models). Everything else is looking 10/10 chef's kiss tier.

>>716048896
>If they all spoke the same language
they didn't, there were various low german and high german languages and mutual intelligibility varied.
>had the same religion
they didn't, not after 1517
>looked the same
all europeans around that geographic latitude look the same. slavs, northerns french, germans, etc. it's not a reason to implement mitteleuropa
>have the same culture
they didn't
even nowadays southern and northern germany have slightly different cultures

>>716049353
>not after 1517
and protestants are still a cancer on this world

>>716048896
>You never see indians or Russians and China kill each other and they're giant countries
hahahahah

>>716046451 (OP)
>>716047854
literally nothing wrong with it

>>716048896
you have no idea how much diversity there is between german states, language and customs.
bavaria barely speaks german at all for example.
uniting germany is only something an autistic prussian can do with overwhelming military power.

>>716049563
Seethe, Papist

>>716049563
>bro we totally need the pope to rule the world
>just buy your relatives out of hell bro :^)
>wdym you dont want to pray to the mother of heaven., heretic
go be pagan somewhere else

>>716049875
>>716049960
>Prussia
spergs out
>UK
sells themselves to Rotchchilds
>USA
worships Israel, and now evangelicals are spreading the rot

>>716048896
>You never see indians or Russians and China kill each other and they're giant countries
Couple hundred miles east you had russians slaughtering each other, far further southeast you had thirty billion sanjeets and sanjar mohammeds murdering each other and further east than that you either had chang long dong killing wu ni gong or khan bultai slayer of yellow men coming down to rape murder and pillage. It's just the natural state of affairs, just typical with germans that they get ultra autistic about it.

>>716050373
>doesnt even refute any of the pagan allegations

>>716048660
That's how it works in 5 now, you only have low autonomy around your capital

>>716050939
>Catholics are wrong
>let's use catholic writings as the base
protestants have no moral authority, if the issue was the Church being wrong, you'd have search greek orthodox or armenian texts to use a far older base, but you didn't
protestantism was just Luther that wanted to fuck nuns and states that wanted to break from the Church and seize it's property
it isn't a coincidence that the first protestant state was the Teutonic Order that was losing successive wars against the poles then seized Church assets to fund the war

>>716051264
>rely solely on the written word of God
>nooo, you have to join our traditions and cults
jawn
>brings up luther for no reason at all
seethe

>>716051264
who the fuck cares NIGGER? every single part of the faith is in some way tainted with rot and sperging out over protestants existing coming onto what, 4-5 centuries after the wars isn't gonna do any favors for you.

>>716051503
>>716051641

>>716051264
Every tradition has subversive modernist elements slowly eroding them away. We should unite on the fundamentals rather than shitflinging.

>>716048896
The concept of nation didn't even exist until the very end of 18th century.

>>716051771
>0 arguments
I accept your concession. now fuck off.

>>716051503
>rely solely on the written word of God
>nooo, you have to join our traditions and cults
Who decides which works are canon Biblical literature? The tradition of the Church Fathers does.

>>716051841
False, commonplace myth. What didn't exist was nationalism, as in the idea that the PEOPLE should be sovereign.
>In a decree following the Diet of Cologne in 1512, the name (of the HRE) was changed to the "Holy Roman Empire of the German NATION"

>>716051503
>ayo sola scriptura bro
yeah nah, that doesn't work when your little cult removed chapters from the holy book which were accepted as canon since the times of jesus

>>716051841
>r/history tries to "umm ackshually..."

>>716052025
Sure, but that doesn't grant infallible magisterial authority to the institution for all time. We can respect the discernment of the church in the same way we can respect the discernment of a scientist or doctor.

>>716051841
lol
Basques are the oldest continuous still living ethno-linguistic group, tracing back to bronze age, the only big change in thousands of years was becoming catholic

>>716052025
>>716052067
>The tradition of the Church Fathers does.
lmao, catholics have all kinds of apocryphal books in their traditions, yet dont include Enoch while getting quoted by James and Peter directly.
Luther didnt include the books of the OT that were never quoted by the gospel directly which is Holy Spirit inspired.
why not include all books of the septuagint for example if you are hell bent on all the OT books? hypocrites.
meanwhile they have to twist the word of God to justify "apostolic succession" which is nowhere found in scripture while simultaneously propping up a human as the representative of Jesus Christ on earth cutting out God from the affairs of men directly.
nothing more heretical than this.
not even mentioning praying to the "queen of heaven" and "saints" here.

>>716052067
Jerome had two tiers of canonicity, why shouldn't we?

>>716052443
>cutting out God from the affairs of men directly
what?
the Holy Spirit resides in every baptized person

>>716052829
>the Holy Spirit is totally ok with pagan practices
>not testing the spirits
>not knowing the satan is the ruler of the air
>not knowing that false christs and false prophets will lead many away
I guess its easy to fall for all kind of occult practices once you throw the word of God out the widow and rely on human traditions and dont consider the reality of spiritual warfare at all.

>>716052829
>every baptized person
baptized by water or the Holy Spirit?
infant baptism or after repentance and a changed heart?

Posting fun bordergore HRE nations for those curious;

>Holy Roman Empire
The ugly messy border gore Germany/Italy is the Holy Roman Empire (HRE). A highly decentralised "Empire" of states big and small, with an elected "Emperor." You can try to form nations within as minor states, or try keep yourself and your heirs on the throne of the HRE so you can reform it+centralise power.

Maybe you can even fully centralise, brining most of central Europe under your rule.

>Brandenburg (aka, Prussia)
You will have seen memes about them-usually "muh germany" stuff.

Brandenburg was a backwards shithole in northern Germany, which was eventually fixed up by the Hohenzollern dynasty; tackle robber barons, cetranlise power, consolidate lands to your north/east and establish a powerful Kingdom. You'll also be in the centre of the Protestant reformation, and can lead the charge of the reformation against Catholicism.

Eventually you can form Prussia-usually one of the most powerful military nations in the game. This will usually bring you into contest with the Emperor, though, who wasn't keen to see any more crowns in the HRE

>Austria
The diplomatic game! Play as the infamous Habsburgs; fuck all of your sisters and produce endless daughters and sons to marry into the various noble families of Europe.

Centralise the HRE under your rule, combat the Protestant reformation, challenge the Ottoman Turks knocking on Europe's door and propel yourself from minor duchy to Imperial capital.

>Bohemia
HIGHLY underrated. A strong Kingdom, eyed up by many surrounding powers. Unify your people, embrace the unique Hussite faith, and become a powerhouse of your own.

>Holland/Brabant/Dutchfags
If you can unify the dutch people and form the Netherlands, you can break free from the HRE and burst onto the world stage as a mega-rich colonial nation.

Compete with much larger powers with an astoundingly strong navy, and even assert your influence over the likes of England or France.

There's no need to depict the HRE in this much granularity if you're not going to depict other nations (which weren't very centralized at the time either) similarly. I don't understand why the HRE in particular has attracted this weird strain of autism online that has to hyper-fixate on its decentralized nature. It would be like not allowing the US to be portrayed as a single country, but demanding it be instead 50 small countries, except what they do with the HRE goes even further than that.

>>716054279
pseudo intellectual who read one quote by the satirist voltaire

>>716054279
They are. only hungary and england are unified countries at the start france is split up and the rus states are in their own version of the hre.

>>716054279
I like it, but I would also like other countries to be realistic like the HRE, for example, France starts with most of the french territory as vassals, why would we even play as France? It seems like you can easily blob and break the game with that country

>>716048896
>You never see indians or Russians and China kill each other

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_Principality_of_Moscow

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlord_Era

>>716048896
>You never see indians or Russians and China kill each other and they're giant countries
They did. The closest the Indians had to unifying before getting anglo'd was under the mauryans or the mughals until they decided to the classic strategy of killing each other and fragmenting.
The Russians got dicked by the mongols and it wasn't until the muscovites got their shit together united all the independent principalities. Even then they didn't get all the slav land for a while (like Ruthenia and other Lithuanian holdings).

>>716054279
because it's a video game you stupid autist

France also starts off giga-decentralised with lots of nations within it which are independent or pseudo-independent, step 1 of every single France campaign is trying to bring them under your rule. jesus god you people are retards.
>>716054635
Very unruly vassals which absolutely cripple you-especially considering this game takes place at the start of the 100 years war, so you'll be fighting England for a tonne of it.

The point of the HRE is diplomacy; unlike France, there is no one big "crown" which stays powerful-the HRE's ruler shifts around and thus so too does its power base. Hence in the HRE you either play the diplomatic game to stay on top and consolidate power, or you play a minor nation and consolidate power to overcome it.

>>716054279
France has appanages

>Meanwhile the French

>>716051841
this isn't even remotely true. you refer to nationalism ie the concept of a nation-state, which draws legitimacy not from anything as simple as an ethnic group or a ruling dynasty but instead from a centralised political organisation ruling a territory.

Nation =/= Nation state.

>>716055228
See the way almost all of it is ruled by cadet branches of the same family? That is why France is different to the HRE; many tiny duchies or vassals, but all linked by family and contesting one another to be on top.

In the HRE, most of the tiny entities and big entities are not only ruled by complete strangers but often by totally different groups.

>>716054635
>>716055129
A big difference is that with France you already start out as the unified tag for that culture group, annexing all your vassals is just supposed to be a formality that while it might take some time you're pretty much guaranteed to do it in a relatively easy and straightforward manner. I'm an EU3 boomer but uniting the HRE or Germany required a bit more mechanical knowledge of the game because the requirements are so specific and aside from like 3-4 tags all the starting contenders are small and weak, unlike France which should still have one of the highest starting province counts on the continent even if you exclude all the vassal territory. I think it's nice that they offer different playstyles for what are the two big blobs of continental Europe.

>tfw people who know Ireland as "tutorial island" in CK try to use it as tutorial island in EU

I wonder how it'll be in EU5. I grabbed picrel from an early stream, here are some tips for who's who;
>Munster
Ruled by the O'Brien dynasty, descendants of Brian Boru-the King who went from minor petty tribe ruler to High King of Ireland, unifying the islandand ending the Viking Age.
>Desmond
The FitzGeralds; these guys started off as Normans but like many Norman invaders/settlers, they were assimilated into Gaelic Irish culture. England tended to trust them with "ruling" Ireland, and they were quite powerful-eventually turning against England.
>Tyrone
The O'Neill's, an extremely powerful dynasty and probably the most prominent in Irish history. They produced more High Kings than anyone else, and in the 1500s/1600s created a strange early modern Irish army that held its own against larger English armies in the field. If you want a "traditional" Irish kingdom, eat the island with these guys.
>Pale
"The Pale" is England; a highly militarised border region full of English settlers, seized by the Normans when they invaded. Usually the last target of an Ireland campaign.

In EU4 the Ireland strat was usually to work with Scotland to fuck over England, then exploit the need for Scotland/England to land by sea to build up your nation and unite the island. Who knows how it'll work here.

How hard will the assfucking be if I play Byz as first game?

Any EU3 boomers still around?

>>716055915
this UI us better than EU5

>>716055795
not as bad as EU4!

Byzantines were definitely rotting in 1337, but they were in a FAR better place than EU4; in EU4 you start basically immediately before the Ottomans took Constantinople.

In this game, you start about 80 years after the Palaiologos took over. iirc, the ruler will be Adronikos III who is considered to have been one of the final truly "good" reigns of Byzantine. It was his death and the regency of his son that lead to civil war that brought the Byzantines further into rot.

Basically a perfect (narratively, anyway) time in history to change course for the better. Byzaboos will be celebrating

>>716055915
Why were EU3 Germany cores all in the east?

>>716046451 (OP)
Built for la grosse bite française.

>>716056739
I like creating HRE with France in Victoria 3 but they rename it United States of Europe

>>716056461
They're not? The German region that you get cores on is pic related + the two provinces down in Aquileia

>>716056968
All the formation cores are in the east.

bump

>>716055721
England will be busy in the mainland so it'll probably be a battle royal like Japan in 4 and the survivor will be the one that will have to deal with the english

>>716056080
EU4 Byzantium required some sort of cheese strategy, abusing enemy AI and trapping Turks in Anatolia with allied navies. This time there will be no cheese or exploits, or at least not known at the start.
>Basically a perfect (narratively, anyway) time in history to change course for the better.
True, but you have to outmaneuver the Kantakouzenoi civil war and Serbia.

Why should I play vanilla, again?

>>716059395
because magic and fantasy and dragons and elves are GAY
-tw history enjoyer who won't play 3 kingdoms

>>716057020
They're not in any one specific region, it's literally the whole German region

>>716060960
Sure is.

>>716047835
Is we getting stimulus checks?

>>716061638
You're talking about the provinces required to form the tag, not the cores you get after formation. I've no idea why so many of them are in northern Germany but the decision flavor text mentions the Hansa so that might be why. I don't think requiring a specific set of provinces is a good design, some mods like D&T change it so that you just need a specific number of provinces in that region so you're required to be a region power first, you can't just beeline like 8 provinces and rush the tag.

>>716061638
>>716062670
Never played eu3 but my guess would be to make it easier for brandenburg/prussia to form germany rather than bavaria for example. A way to make the historical outcome happen more often

>>716059395
>No Damearian Republic

>>716064036
Germany's historical formation is a bit outside of EU3's historical scope, but even if that's the intention they fucked up. I don't think I can ever recall seeing an AI Germany. Occasionally they manage to form the HRE but the internal expansion in the HRE is difficult for the AI and the requirements to form Germany are so specific that it never happens.

>>716046451 (OP)
What is paradox's obsession with 3D ruler models? It was fine when CK3 did it because it was just the natural evolution from CK2, but now they're just putting them in every game.

>>716066448
they made the "tech" and must now get their moneys worth. Such is life when you go public. Many such cases,SAD!

>>716059395
Because in Anbennar every campaign requires some amount of console fuckery to get around their buggy mission trees.

It's still pretty good, though.

>>716056080
I'm a bit worried that they will go way overboard scripting the outcome of that entire area.

>Byt.
first I could play as my crappy town in CK3 and now I will be able to do it in EUV?
based Paradox

>>716046451 (OP)
Gods, I fucking hate Germans.

>>716055129
>>716055228
They will NEVER take NEVERS

>>716048896
>You never see indians or Russians and China
this has to be bait

>>716048896
/gsg/ poster or baiter? I can't tell with the blatant retardation going on here.

>>716048896
>You never see indians or Russians and China kill each other and they're giant countries

>>716070627
*leaves her pregnant and goes back to Spain to his wife*

>>716055915
>>716056968
Is Divine Wind as bad as they say? Eu3 was the first game I bought but I didn't like the sliders and I couldn't get into it. V2 was my first actual real gsg I played. Kind of wish I gave Eu3 a try. I did not like Eu4

>>716073618
EU3 is horrible, don't get meme'd into playing it.

>>716048896
>If they all spoke the same language
my aunt noticed i pronounced some words differently despite us only living like an hour drive apart

We dont need to make germany bigger. We need to make Ulm bigger

>>716075030
lösche dies

>>716075030
World conquest has to be the least fun and most tedious thing you can do in this game.

"Kingdon" my beloved

>>716048896
>You never see indians or Russians and China kill each other and they're giant countries
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>716076576
I like to paint the map

>>716048896
Russian civil war was World War 1.5 in terms of scale and casualties.

>>716056080
My byzaboo tism won't allow me to play the Romans in EUV for now. Because the clothes they are using are all western and I can't be arsed to buy a 5 dollars historical clothes pack.

>>716047854
German unification and its consequences have been a disaster for the Germanic tribes.

t. German

>>716050373
catholics worship idols and fuck children

>>716046451 (OP)
Paradox games withount total conversion mods are boring.

fiction > non-fiction

>>716078150
why

>>716078150
>bro just balkanize and be gobbled up by the french, austians, danes and russians
what intardation

>>716070456
Still can't believe I'll be able to play as fucking auschwitz in Eu5

>>716078589
Like Switzerland, Luxembourg, Lichtenstein, Belgium and the Netherlands?

>>716048896
They were already united by the Franks, who founded the Holy Roman Empire and united the 5 Germanic Tribes.
>so why is the HRE so disunited
They weren't actually. For a time they were much more centralized than France. But France went through an incredibly transformation during the Hundred Years' war. The war completely changed the kingdom. The king was much more united and powerful and it set the Kingdom up to be the absolute powerhouse of Europe.

The HRE on the other hand had a very very unlucky period, where basically 6 consecutive kings failed to either have an heir or have their chosen heir properly succeed them. This caused a lot of privileges and autonomy, which usually gets granted in the election "campaign" for a new king and even the concept of electing a king in the first place to be completely cemented.

But what really did the HRE in was the failure of the protestant reformation. The goal of the reformation was to reform the church, which they failed. The secondary objective was the creation of a German National Church, which they also failed in. The third objective was to at least have the Protestant states win the war against the Catholics and unite the Reich, but they also failed this. (the Swedes also devastated the land of their supposed "allies")
The end result is the fragmented broken mess know as the HRE you know about. But that's a post-medieveal phenomenon. At least it allowed for the creation of German Sparta (Prussia), which managed to unite Germany by declaring war against every single other German state. With the exception of Austria, who didn't join and the other southern German states, because France was ruled by a warmongering retard, who gave Prussia all of Southern Germany for free, because he had severe delusions of grandeuer and threatened them with a loss of sovereignity, so they joined an alliance with Prussia and eventually the North German Federation, which simply renamed itself to Germany (German Reich).

>>716078743
all were conquered by greater nations at some point.

>>716078323
I now have to share a nation with bav*rians, schw*ben, Badensers and Ruhrpöttlern just to name a few. Same Nation, they all have the same passive and active voting rights and freedom of movement as me, si tin the parliament and even claim ministries for themselves.
This is utterly absurd, a clusterfuck of chaos and corruption on an unimaginable scale, and the result is wholly dysfunctional and very gay.

>>716078589
>be gobbled up by the french, austians, danes and russians
Over more than a thousand years, the only germanics to ever get conquered are the Westfalians left of the Rhine and the western schwaben, who are oddly enough still proud of this fact like the massive cucks they epigenetically are.
We would have donbe fine, especially the east and the north have never been conquered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJbkmpq7jHE
MARIA, UNSER FROWE
MARIA, IN GÖTTLICHER SCHOWE

I have never once done a WC.

>>716081280
I've had to do several for achievements, it sucks.

>>716081603
I can't be bothered with some of those, and I hate having to cheese early wars or game WT.

>>716046451 (OP)
Not holy, not Roman, not an empire.

>>716046451 (OP)

>>716081969
>not holy
It controls the Papacy and is a Christian Roman Empire, not a Pagan Roman Empire.
>not Roman
Unbroken succession between the first German Auxiliaries/Foederati and their ethnic brethren fighting for Rome and the people ruling the Holy Roman Empire. The chief god of the Germans, Wotan, was depicted with a Roman cavalry helmet.
>not an Empire
It's both a kingdom and an Empire. The Eastern Roman Empire lost both their Empire and they were ruled by a woman. So the throne was vacant. In addition to that the Papacy granted the title.

HOLY. ROMAN. EMPIRE. OF THE GERMAN NATION

>>716048896
>had the same religion
9000 flavors of abrahamic bullshit vs ancestor/nature worship.