Why does /v/ hate rougelites anyway?

>>716054463 (OP)
we're too casual, we only play dota and gachaslop here

>oh you didn't unlock xyz yet? no wonder you're having a bad time!
it gets good 10 hours in, dependent on RNG and good drops, is never good gaym design unless you're making a skinnerbox for gullible, compulsive low IQ idiots

>>716054463 (OP)
it's lazy game design

>>716054463 (OP)
We have 10 years of this slop now and the obituaries of games that would have been good if not falling for this meme get longer every day. We already have Slay the Spire and Nuclear Throne, we don't need any more

Too many

>>716054463 (OP)
I'm not good at games, so they become too repetitive replaying the beginning stages over and over again. I get bored and quit playing

>>716054463 (OP)
saturation

>>716054801
The point of these games is to be played over and over again. The perma death isnt really a hindrance since these games can be beaten in between a hour.

>>716054463 (OP)
Etg is the worst of its kind, the first 2-3 hours are terrible, then it hits its stride for like 4-5 hours, and then the weapon pool is bloated and it goes back to being terrible.
t. 100% the game. It's no Isaac, it's no Nuclear throne, it's no pic related

>>716055039
Voidigo has 2 hours of content lmao nigga

>>716055124
>I rate games on CAHNTENT
I rate games on quality. Gungeon is trash

>>716055039
Voidigo suffers the same as gungeon in that a lot of the weapons are just jokes and all the items are samey. There’s like 9 different boot / button items, they’re boring. Love the game doe. NT is better.
t. beat it on impossible

>>716055039
Only reason I tried etg was because we were coming off the heels of NT's horrendous 1.0 release that didn't get fixed for over half a year.
Etg had polish but lacked substance or feel. It wanted to be a mashup of Isaac and NT and was simply worse on both metrics

>>716054975
The point of these games is to pad out your game idea to something the audience might find palatable at your asking price.

>>716054463 (OP)
>You can either pick the Metaprogression or you can pick the thing that directly helps you right now

>>716055039
I think you just like Nuclear Throne, not a fan of it
Maybe you don't like Gungeon because of its slower and longer nature

>>716057774
Doesn't Gungeon have a turbo mode?

>>716057951
A run still takes a long time, you can't just pick up and play like Isaac which is very fast paced

>>716054463 (OP)
Meta progression is meant for cattle

>>716054463 (OP)
I don't but I'd much rather just play Nuclear Throne than Gungeon

>>716054463 (OP)
It's lazy shit used as a crutch for people with no design experience, then it caught on as studios realized they could do the same thing and only have to deliver 1/4th of an actual title.
Hell, FromSlop drones are such cattle they play one with reused fucking assets from a better game.

>>716058070
How long should a Rougelite take to beat?

My issue with etg is that isaac and nt had already existed for a long time by the time gungeon came out, and it didnt really add much new other than a dodge roll. In many ways it was technically the best roguelite twinstick shooter - it has the best visuals and controls, and gameplay felt more satisfying than others, but i had already burnt out on the genre by the time it was released.

>>716059803
8 hours

>>716060239
The main gimmic with etg is the massive amounts of guns, even if half of said guns range from pulp culture references or actual novelty shit

>>716060642
i still just think its completely inferior to isaac in this regard.

>>716061116
Fair enough, I know Isaac wasn't the first Rougelite, but it was the first that got popular on YouTube.

>>716054463 (OP)
Roguelikes are cool, this specific game is trash.

>>716060239
>and it didnt really add much new other than a dodge roll.
Table flipping is most definitely a meaningful and defining mechanic. I don't know what you're talking about.

>>716054463 (OP)
>dude wouldn't it be funny if 80% of guns and items were complete and utter dogshit, and you were only able to get good guns and items once every 20 runs, and if there was an anti-fun boss dps cap, and there was a rat that steals your items if you don't immediately use them, and there was an ammo system that made the few good guns you get unusable after 5 minutes and you had to go back to the shitty starting weapon lol
>bet that'd make a good game

>>716061845
>and you had to go back to the shitty starting weapon
come on now, you were mostly right and then you come up with this nonsense. You can carry much more than two guns. Each with its own ammo counter.

>>716054463 (OP)
I don't mind Roguelites sometimes, but unless a game has an end goal I'm actively working towards I struggle to bring myself to want to keep playing it.

If you like roguelites but don't like roguelikes, you have a perfectly smooth brain

I have a love/hate relationship with Spelunky 2.
The game is really fun but the instakills are so frustrating. I still have trouble with moleman and olmec which both can instantly end your run even if you get an early Kapala. Olmec is so frustrating I've been trying to learn the skip to get the Ankh but I still keep fucking it up.

>>716061845
>and if there was an anti-fun boss dps cap
Fun fact, if you have the Emperor and the Lazer rifle equipped, the gun will empty out its entire mag and destroy bosses near instantly.

The big problem with most of roguelites is that they are supposed to bring variety of runs through random, but they end up playing exactly the same either because whatever you get doesn't change the playstyle, or you just go for the same build every time. Also unlocking shit through grind feels like a chore.

>>716062108
When the game launched it was extremely stingy with ammo drops. It wasn't uncommon to never see ammo.
Layer on top of it the rat will steal drops you leave behind you would never really be able to do meaningful ammo management except to use your infinite ammo starter pistol or spend shells in the shop if one did show up.

>>716061748
yeah i do remember thinking this was cool tbf, but my memory of it was that enemy bullets would break the tables quite quickly making it generally a bit pointless. might be completely misremembering though, its been years since i played it and even then i only played it for like 3 or 4 hours. either way, the table flipping mechanic and dodge roll wasn't enough to keep me interested after having spent so much time in isaac and nt.

>>716062560
i got filtered by spelunky 2. i was pretty good at spelunky 1 but spelunky 2 was just too difficult for me, only ever beat the easy ending.

that said, i learnt how to beat olmec consistently with just vlads cape or spring shoes. I would recommend just learning that method because i think its easier to learn than the skip (i tried to learn the skip too but never managed it lol)

for moleman after his first roll you can run at him and throw a bomb for a consistent kill if you get the timing right. easiest way to kill him imo even if it does cost a bomb.

>>716063176
>>716062560
Any other roguelikes/roguelites that rely more on your skill than random drops or whatever? Spelunky and Star of Providence are the only ones I know of.

>>716062531
What's the difference?

>>716063732
Roguelite is a term autists made because they weren't happy roguelike does not mean copy of Rogue.
You can instantly disregard the opinion of anyone who uses it.

>>716061845
>Invisible Lite mechanics
Doesn't that miss the point? I thought Lite mechanics existed so people could watch the number go up in the Hub world.

>>716063732
Roguelikes do not retain progression on death at all, and rely on you getting better at playing the game to do better at the game

Roguelites are games that retain progression on death and allow you to mindlessly do whatever to get enough pointerinos to unlock more stats to win

Which is why roguelites are the videogame equivalent of Joss Whedon whispering marvel tier quips into your ear for hours at a time

>>716054463 (OP)
Gungeon just ain't as fun as Isaac.
>t. bought the two very recently. dropped gungeon after 10 hours, play Isaac everyday and clocked in 100 hours already