>2025...I am forgotten

It released unfinished, just like every other game does these days.

>>716056691 (OP)
>5 times fewer players than path 1
>BBBBBUT PATH 1 IS FREE!!!
grim

>>716057207
Even the absolue trash that is Torchlight Infinite has more players than PoE2, kek

>>716056691 (OP)
After seeing the Chinese interview I have lost hope for 0.3 unless Jonathon is pulling a fast one.
>No Druid in 0.3
>Focused on remaking bad ascendancies and balancing bad skills
>Game has been out for 7 months and ONE new class with ONE new weapon has been added
The promised 2025 release date is hilarious. I already had my doubts when they initially said it, but at this point it is looking like the end of 2026 would be a lofty release date. The game was released in such a poor state that I wonder what happened to all those years of development.
There is like 10-15% chance Jonathon knew that people would discuss the Chinese review so he set expectations extremely low so that they can then release Druid and everyone will clap and call them based.

>>716057207
PoE2 broke PoE1's concurrent player count AND cost money to play. That is impressive. Dawn of the Hunt surpassed the new PoE1 league, and again, it costs money.

PoE2 has such shitty numbers right now because it is the end of a long league and 0.3 is not out yet. I am curious to see what the numbers will be like for 0.3, will it be similar to 0.2 or lower?

>>716057365
Honestly 2 just isn't fun enough. League starts suck even more than poe1 and it's just boring not getting any loot for 60-70% of the time you're playing the game. Nevermind if the loot is any good, the first few areas of act 1 are just not fun unless you get incredibly lucky with drops. Biggest problem of that is damage being limited by skill gem drops and area level so your only choice is to grind. Never had to grind nearly this muchin poe1 and I also think poe 1 is a fun game. Funny how that works

>>716058007
The loot/crafting is one of the major issues with PoE2. In PoE1 you can get through the campaign using vendor recipes and bench crafts. In PoE2 you're entirely dependent upon just finding a decent item and then, I dunno, exalt slamming it but using exalts early is fucktarded and a waste of currency.
I just miss PoE1 crafting in 2. Obviously PoE1 crafting is too strong for PoE2 but in its current state PoE2 crafting is either identifying with more steps or so prohibitively expensive it is on par with lock crafting in PoE1. It makes no sense. PoE1 has the ability to do shit like essence and or alt regal + multimod for a decent item that costs like 3-5 div and will last you until you're getting into really expensive stuff. No such options exist currently in PoE2.

>>716058221
PoE2 crafting is a joke. They really want people to pick up magic items and identify them to regal, but no one is ever going to do that past act 1-2 normal. The lack of alts and things like ritual unironically giving you magic items as reward is proof of this.

I don't think they understand how unlikely it is to ever regal->exalt->exalt something good. The game needs crafting.

>>716058567
They think that Essence -> Alt -> Essence -> Exalt x3 is the pinnacle of crafting or something. I mean they have omens, but omens are rare, expensive, and still result in gambling. The game will add a crafting bench at some point, mark (no pun intended) my words.

>Redditors STILL seething that poe2 mogs poe1

>>716058889
It most definitely does not, not yet anyways. I have nearly 4k hours in PoE1 and 300 in PoE2. I actually want PoE2 to be good and there are elements I like, but it has a lot of fundamental flaws that need to be fixed and I am afraid that their 4 month release schedule they've committed to will just lead to them putting bandaids on problems instead fixing them because there is not enough time and every 4 month release has to feel like a new league. Ascension remakes should just be released at they are finished, not held off because I GUARANTEE any ascendancy that is remade will have to get balanced after release anyways.

>>716056691 (OP)
0.3 will fix everything

>>716057362
Torchlight 2 is a good game

trade league is for bugmen but poe 2 ssf is currently garbage

I can't wait until the new grim dawn expansion comes, I'll stop playing Poe and go back to a better game

>>716061361
Keep dreaming bro

d4 is better than both games combined anyway

>>716058007
>grinding for skill gems in act 1
bro...what? how fucking bad are you at the game that you have to do this.

>>716059612
>Ascension remakes should just be released at they are finished, not held off because I GUARANTEE any ascendancy that is remade will have to get balanced after release anyways.
niggas flip their shit if they do this mid league. but i agree. they should have been continuously updating and not waiting for league resets

>>716056691 (OP)
When will early access end? I don't mind paying 24 GBP but I was told that I wouldn't need the in game cash if I wasn't going to commit to the game and play for an extended period which I probably won't.

>>716062096
The main issue is that GGG went about the nerfs in a retarded way.
>Respeccing is so expensive that it is literally faster to just make a new character than farm up the gold necessary to respec
>Community is screaming at them to make it cheaper
>They nuke multiple archetypes from orbit back to back with people having to just make new characters
>Instead of making more reasonable nerfs or making respec cheaper (at the time) they opt to just no longer do frequent balance or content updates and commit to a PoE1 style league system
>End up nerfing respec costs anyways and now people don't care as much
It was so dumb. They should have just reverted some of the nerfs, made them more reasonable, and then made respecs cheaper and then people wouldn't care. Instead they are just now releasing leagues along with new supporter packs and cosmetics. It is just PoE1 again, but this time in a game that is only like 33% done.

>>716062183
With 1.0. They said by the end of 2025, but if they commit to that it will be releasing in an unfinished state. Middle of 2026 is optimistic, end of 2026 is more realistic.

>>716056691 (OP)
If I had editing skills I would make like a 2 hour long video breaking down each and every problem with PoE2 in hopes that the devs would see it and commit to fixing some of the major flaws that hold back the game.

>>716063257
Let me guess, it would boil down to "REEE WHY ISN'T THE GAME PISS EASY LIKE POE1 AND ENEMIES NOT DOING ANYTHING!?"

I don't understand why redditors are still crying about poe2 when they can just play poe1?

>>716056691 (OP)
No swords in a medieval fantasy game

What the fuck were they thinking?

my only complaints with the game are
>that end game aint it. the finding towers overlapping and just doing maps there isnt fun
>the trials suck ass i absolutely loath doing them, even when i over level them and effortlessly clear them, i still hate doing them
>crafting is too basic
>acts 4 5 and 6 are missing
>armor is dogshit
>>716063757
and this. where are swords.

playing vampire survivor clones made me realize most ARPGs are actually boring shit and all its system and mechanics are just things to give an illusion you're not playing a slot machine
but I'd probably go back to PoE if it had an offline mode. I only played HCSSF, never traded, same with Diablo 2 but at least that has offline.

>poo2

>>716063623
>PoE2
>Hard
>50% of the playerbase is playing lightning spear which clears the entire screen while moving at 100% MS while attacking giving equivalent clear speed to PoE1, just less MS
>Every boss is killed instantly with no need to learn mechanics
PoE2 is just as easy as PoE1, but it is slower with less crafting and a terrible end game. The problem with PoE2 actually IS PoE1. That is, all of the end game mechanics are directly stolen from PoE1 and do not match PoE2's idea of slower, tactical, dodge-based, combo-heavy combat. PoE1 already has a problem with the campaign and maps not matching up well enough, PoE2 literally becomes a different game in maps.
PoE2 loses all identity once you get to maps, which is where a majority of the game will end up being.

>>716056691 (OP)
I'll check it out once it releases.

>>716056691 (OP)
It's not even out yet?

>>716063852
show you hardcore character
inb4 quin webm

>>716063757
>>716063801
Swords coming at or before 1.0! AKA Duelist is going to be one of the last classes added which honestly makes sense. I don't know if they have even shown him off at all. We've seen Templar/Shadow in previews/footage before so at least they have finished models.

>>716063852
>slower, tactical, dodge-based, combo-heavy combat
Does anyone still believe this was ever a real thing

>>716061856
I like what I've played so far (Act 1), I'm just not a fan of the dumb kid and her mother
hoping the next acts are better

>>716063807
Arpgs are the incel equivalent of boomers brainlessly sitting in front of slot machines for hours on end, compete with the garish sound effects, constant flashing lights, and “gameplay” that consists of largely one button

that it took them 4 months and they won't have a new missing class or new missing weapon added is pathetic. these guys are clearly fucking around instead of developing the game. Tencent should take direct control by laying management off and putting some people in charge who can fix their fucked development pipeline.

>>716061497
Yes but the chinkshit entries made after it are bad

>>716063924
>Hardcore
Go jerk off with Zizarian.

>>716063991
I mean it is absolutely a thing in the early campaign. They WANT it to be a thing. They JUST added huntress which has an entire parry buckler mechanic for setting up combos yet it is not utilized because once you get to maps you're attacked by 10,000 mobs moving faster than a Floridian meth head, with the strength to match. But they are retarded and they decided to add in shit like breach and delirium which require you to go fast.

>>716063807
PoE2 actually fixed this by making the moment-to-moment gameplay engaging but PoE1 addicts bitched and moan they can't speedclear maps anymore so PoE2 will probably turn into a zoomfest eventually

>>716064128
They clearly panicked after the PoE1 community had a riot. They cannot sustain their company off of just PoE2 right now. They NEED the PoE1 money. They got a huge cash injection from the PoE2 early access but 0.2 showed that they aren't gonna get the same amount of support until 1.0 most likely, so in the mean time they have to put out PoE1 leagues.
I feel like 0.3 was probably barely developed because they spent so much time on PoE1's new expansion.

>>716063928
i really want to play shadow but i get the feeling that he will be one of the last added and wont be in the game for atleast another year

>>716063991
Its only real in the very early game.

Dodge being a repositioning tool wouldnt be that bad if positioning mattered, but as this anon explains >>716063852

Positioning doesnt fucking matter, same thing with combo. Dodge could have been usefull for some boss mechanics but by and large the average PoE player doesnt want that nor does the top down view allow for much variation in mechanics when hey are present.

>>716064254
PoE2's maps suck and if you argue otherwise you're just a contrarian. In PoE1 the campaign sucks and mapping is great. In PoE2 the campaign is fun and the mapping is horrible. They admitted to putting together the "end game" in a few months and it is entirely mechanics ripped from PoE1. I don't know why you're complaining that people want the transplanted PoE1 mapping system to be more like PoE1. They should have developed a unique system that leaned into PoE2's strengths.

>>716064330
My guess is that it will go:
Druid -> Templar -> Shadow -> Marauder -> Duelist

I do not know if we've even seen Marauder and Duelist, but we HAVE seen Druid, Templar, and Shadow.

>>716063852
>PoE2 loses all identity once you get to maps, which is where a majority of the game will end up being.
Everyone stops playing PoE games once they reach maps

>>716063896
The Deadlock Defense

>>716064113
At last I truly see.

Thats why the playerbase is so retarded. Thanks anon.

>>716064496
>60k concurrent players a month after release
That is pretty good retention on par with PoE2, except PoE1 had a year between leagues (meaning a bunch of people fell off) and PoE2 started with higher numbers.

Besides, PoE1's current issue is player power and the stale voidstone system that has been cracked and figured out. I got 36 challenges in a week, anon. I didn't "quit at maps" I quit after doing everything in a week.

>m-m-MUH STEAM CHARTS

>>716064679
true for both games. and deadlock is still using placeholder assets. most characters are using models from neon prime still and their deadlock apparences have yet to be added (Warden for example is described in lore as a van helsing bounty hunter with a cape but his in game model is a parole officer)

>>716064492
>Druid -> Templar -> Shadow
based on current update speed im afraid that does mean shadow wont be out for a year minimum.they already hinted 0.3 wont have druid which means at best druid in december, templar in april, shadow in august 2026

>>716065190
lmao this game is dead on arrival.

>>716065190
Yeah pretty much. The only hope is that Jonathon is literally just lowering expectations so that when Druid does release everyone gets hyped. The entire PoE2 community is actually feeling kind of doomer right now. Sentiment is not great, and no that isn't some bullshit shill retarded drama thing. The chinese interview set their expectations very low, so if they DID release Druid it will get them a lot of brownie points.

>>716056691 (OP)
from a casual's perspective, the game isn't fun, melee seems like it's especially unfun, with bosses having tons of cleaving attacks and AoE's you constantly have to avoid despite needing to be next to the boss to do damage

This 2 month cycle shit will not last. They cannot finish PoE2 if it keeps going like this. The game needs way, way more development and yet they're gonna be constantly switching between PoE1 and 2. This is their own fault though, they released PoE2 in an alpha state and need PoE1 money to keep going, but they can't keep getting PoE1 money without active development of it which hampers PoE2. They should have just kept releasing the smaller PoE1 leagues they had going on for another year and then released PoE2 when it was a little more finished.

>Release a closed paid alpha that still manages to get like 10x the players as the first game
>Make the logical announcement that you will be focusing all in on PoE2
>PoE1 players whine
>Developers go back and put tons of resources into PoE1 and let PoE2 rot for presumably 2 more years
It makes absolutely no business sense to do this

>>716056691 (OP)
poe1 killed it

>>716065702
actually, the casuals love PoE2. its the PoE1 autists who were screeching and shitting their pants that the game isnt a second monitor game where all the hate is coming from. Devs already said the playtesters who never played path of exile before performed better than the "pro" streamer players.

theres a good reason for this, its kind of interesting. basically poe1 people just couldnt get over the fact the game isnt meant to be played like poe1 where as the new guys came into the game expecting to have to learn how to play so they ended up learning the new systems and doing better.

>>716066374
i was calling myself a casual and i hate it, it's not fun, no clue why you decided to cope with whatever you're saying

>>716066013
>Get 10x the players of PoE1
That is just false, it got around 2x the peak concurrent players, which IS great considering it was paid. However, that doesn't mean all customers are created equal. PoE1 has a dedicated base of players who consistently buy MTX every league and PoE2 was not set up to be league based. It was originally billed as having occasional resets with no structure. As in, once they made the initial sales, there was not going to be regular sales of supporter packs like PoE1 has with every league launch.
The problem? PoE2's retention really wasn't that much better than PoE1's. We can see that objectively with the release of 0.2 for PoE2 and the Secrets of the Atlas for PoE1. Both games had the same amount of players after a month.

Now though, they opted for the dumbest decision. PoE2 is now adopting a PoE1 style league system which is hampering development. Now instead of adding new features and balance passes regularly to be tested by the community, they're adding a lot of things all at once.

Also, just to be clear, GGG literally said they were going to continue to update PoE1 as long as it had an audience. You can't get mad at PoE1 players for saying "Yeah, we're here. Why have we not gotten a new league in a year?" when GGG said they would. And before you say anything, PoE1 players DID show up. Again, after 1 month of Secrets of the Atlas it had the same number of players as PoE2 did a month after 0.2, so either both games are sharing an audience or PoE1 players are just as dedicated (if not a little moreso) than PoE2 ones. Also GGG themselves are greedy and want to get supporter pack money from PoE 1 and 2 simultaneously. It is in their financial interest to keep both games alive.

>>716056691 (OP)
i remember it. it's that game elon musk totally pwns at.

>>716066374
>>716066349
>Copy PoE1's end game into your Elden Ring rolling simulator
>Wonder why people say the end game makes no sense, ruins the game's combat, and why people get mad at wanting more movement speed and clear speed when the only mechanic worth doing is breach that spawned 10,000 uber-rape rares instantly upon activation (before the heavy nerfs)

>>716056691 (OP)
slog

>>716063006
>Middle of 2026 is optimistic, end of 2026 is more realistic.
At the current rate of content, and with how much work needs to be done I'd be surprised at a 2027 """1.0""" even.

>>716063623
I fucking hate that disingenuous webm.
Always posting a end-end-end-game build that takes a shit ton of currency to ever begin to set up. PoE1 does not play like that at all for the vast majority of the play time, and only the richest get to that point.

>>716067524
Just like people posting youtubers who spend their entire lives doing shit in a game and are really good at it, as an example of regular players and how easy the game is.

>>716061682
>grim dawn

I tried playing it but I didn't like how it kept flashing me a hot arab looking guy during every load screen

>>716056691 (OP)
Jonathan is clueless