Why don't people just accept that lop is the best soulgame of all time?

Only sekiro is closer

>>716081575 (OP)
does it have a lot of weapons and builds like fromslop games? im a build variety 'tist

>>716081575 (OP)
goddamn how does a game come out several years after look so much worse than the OG

The other guys felt like a breeze after doing Diff5 Joker

>>716081805
not really, but the weapons feel very different within the confines the core gameplay.
also this game was great, an 8/10, but it lacks any real feeling of mystery and immersion in exploring the game's world. all the levels follow really basic and tired layouts.
it's still worse than DaS 3, BB, Sekiro, and Elden Ring. but those are all 9's and 10's.

Sekiro is literally the best game of all time, unironically, as a finished product and a game

>>716081805
if you want build autism, nothing comes close t elden ring. i don't care fr the game, but between physik, armor bonuses, and the sheer amount of excellent and specific talismans, it has by far the most build diversity

Because it is Bloodborne for women.

>>716081805
It does.
You can detach most weapons' heads and shafts and mix them. So it doesn't matter what your primary stat is (str/dex/int) you can have any playstyle combination.
You also have a talent tree to choose what you want to improve, the mechanical side arm which has multiple tools (each upgradeable so you have to choose) to supplement your style. And I'm sure I'm missing something else.
The variety is insane, which is why there's 'infinite' respecs. Only locked behind a timer.
The game's pretty fun but FUCK ME if some of the enemies are annoying as all fucking shit. It's pretty obvious the devs tunned the game to be annoying instead of hard.

>>716081575 (OP)
>Why don't people just accept [arbitrary opinion]?
kekem

For me, it's the eyes

sex with P

>>716082681
What is wrong with this dude?

>>716081575 (OP)
>no shadows in the carriage

>>716081575 (OP)
The Gunblade is by far the best feeling and sounding weapon of any souls game. It feels borderline OP - using the charged r2 to attack and escape an enemies attack is pure sex
>>716082310
I've done Diff 5 Nameless Puppet, Romeo, Scrapped Watchman, and Archbishop. Arlecchino is a tough cookie on that difficulty

>>716081805
No, not even remotely close.

>>716081575 (OP)
The only lop here is what you did to your cock

>>716081805
Less weapons than, say, ER
But each one actually has a unique moveset and you can mix and match blades and handles to change swing speed, scaling, and moveset to fit your preferences

>>716081575 (OP)
>controller ui
ngmi

>>716082937
Who the fuck uses KB+M for souls games
>>716082742
Rock aids

>>716082937
kek, it has to suck to be a third rate player and trying to be superior

>>716081575 (OP)
>played it on Gamepass
>ended the subscription
>DLC is not on the gamepass anyway
>have to buy both on Steam to play it

>>716081575 (OP)
For me it's Dark Souls India

>>716083027
>play game through a subscription service
>become upset when you realize you dont own it
Many such cases

>>716083002
>Who the fuck uses KB+M for souls games
me

>>716081575 (OP)
It was until they ruined it with nerfs to everything remotely challenging
Didn't even bother getting the dlc after they did that to the base game

>>716083030
I will; be this is there's a street shitting function. i'll buy two copies. hear that india?

>>716083141
my nigger.
i will trade ease of camera movement over anything else, though ive never felt bottlenecked by kb+m controls in soulslikes ever.
dark souls 3 was so terrible on a controller because tilting the joystick forward and attacking would occasionally make the character perform a kick instead. went to kb+m right after.

>>716083360
Ease of character movement beats out camera movement all the time in souls games though
And the kick could still just as well happen with kb+m if you move forward and attack at the same time

>is the single greatest boss of any souls game in ur path

>>716083352
So relieving!!!

>>716083476
He's cool and better than the vast majority of FROM's recent output, but not that special.
The coolest part of the fight was the phase 2 music and the dialogue of him shitting himself in confusion because he can't comprehend how you're singlehandedly kicking his ass

>>716083460
moving a character is easier with kbm thoughbeit, no? you just position your camera and press w for peak precision, nothing else needs to be done. those tiny beam sections with certain death underneath are always meme-tier on kbm

>>716081575 (OP)
It's really good as far as souls-likes go, but it misses the branching map design, it's very linear, though that makes sense since I guess it's a smaller studio. It also didn't need the cricket commenting on how suh-suh-scaaary a obviously scary place looks, so I hope they kill that atmosphere killing headache off for the sequel, if they didn't already knock it off for the dlc. Even with the studio's limited means they still managed to make the best non-From souls game though.
>>716081805
It's mostly
>pump your main stat
>use the melee weapons associated with that stat
>use one of the arms associated with that stat
Being able to mix and match blades and handles on the weapons gives you a decent amount of variety in moveset at least, but I wouldn't really call it build variety, especially since the other equips are just flat increases in defense and the like and are pretty much always just straight upgrades. For example, there's no real caster build, at most you can go for a mainstat that prefers weapons that apply more status effects when you slap a monster with it.

>>716083360
tying a special move to regular movement+attack is so stupid

>>716083696
If i want to attack in x direction when not using lock-on, its much easier to just point my control stick in that direction and attack than it is to fenaggle the camera to be within 11.25 degrees of the direction i need to face, then move my character in only one of 8 directions
The only downside to controller is having to clawgrip, which is alleviated if you have back buttons
360 is more than 8

>>716081575 (OP)
Because it misses the point of what made Souls good, like every From game after 2015

>>716084031
I think looking for exactly a DS1-style world from all "soulslikes" is gonna be a lost cause most of the time - lots of them are more about combat and bosses nowadays
While i prefer more interconnected areas, I'd rather take a very linear experience like LoP over a overly wide and open experience like ER. At least when it comes to replays

>>716084031
?
I don't understand this. all of them are still adventure games, which is the main appeal. this is why the core audience has been largely unchanged.

>>716085204
The main appeal is creating your own character and being able to customize your journey as a nobody in a generally eerily calm yet dangerous atmosphere.
Games like these don't manage any of that, and take the lazy route by sticking you with whatever OC Donutsteel they want.

>>716086810
I dont think thats the main appeal for a solid chunk of players

>>716087574
That is irrelevant.

>>716081575 (OP)
It's not, it's really quite simple. It's a good game don't get me wrong, but it's just a pared down souls game.

>>716087896
>this game misses the fundamentals of what makes the genre good
>i dont think thats what makes it good
>irrelevant
???

>>716081575 (OP)
Loved the zoo, really wish more games used that setting

>>716088661
Your opinion is irrelevant. What set the fundamentals of the "genre" apart are what they are. This is not difficult to understand, anon.

because you are wrong OP

>>716081575 (OP)
>easy modo
Yeah, no.

>>716081575 (OP)
I dislike and feel disdain for games with focus on parry
Parry is such a shitty copout mechanic, you don't need to make interesting boss design or balance it, because you can expect the player to stand and parry.
Elden Ring not bring parryslop alone puts it at the top of the genre.

>>716082310
Diff 5 bosses are borderline impossible without that NG++ exclusive organ that negates stamina damage when you perfect block, they just deal so much stamina damage it's insane

>>716089876
Non-argument since you can virtually completely ignore the mechanic via fable arts/p organs/items.

>>716088924
What you describe as "The fundamentals" are just your opinion in the first place

>>716081575 (OP)
>gook unreal engine slop
nah I’ll pass. not for me. I’ll stick with Fromsoft.

>>716089876
How is rolling meaningfully different from parrying?
Parrying keeps you in close quarters to an enemy and helps keep up the pace and aggression in a fight - rolling is similar but just gives you less room for offensive counterattacks

>>716090758
It's on the good unreal emgine thougheverbeit

>>716081805
It has even less weapons than Bloodborne.

>>716081575 (OP)
It's a really good entry into soulslikes by Neowiz but has some apparent amateur mistakes. The teased Dorothy/Wizard of Oz sequel will be great however seeing how much better Overture was than the base game.

>>716086810
fromsoftware's best game is sekiro and i'm glad trannies like you will die out in time

>>716091996
sekiro isnt a souls game retard
Sekiro is a perfect example of what the anon was saying. Its so much better at doing a "more straightforward railroaded action game" than the typical souls-clone or dark souls 3. It freed itself from all that souls had of poorly compatible with railroaded games, and actually set out to be its own unique game with its own features and gimmicks
It doesnt matter if they add a shallow version of deflects from Sekiro, a linear souls clone will always be much closer to a linear dark souls clone, rather than being akin to sekiro

>>716092729
>bonfire system
>estus flask system
> same boss system and designs
>same area design
>same general game design
>even the same type of "everything goes to shit or has already gone to shit" story
>not a souls game
whatever you say tranny

>>716092981
>bonfire system
an infinity of games focused on cool interconnected worlds at any varied level of nonlinearity have "rest on this checkpoint which respawns enemies and sends your shit to full", its a staple. Unless you think some random shit like Astlibra or Environmental Station Alpha has anything to do with dark souls
>estus flask system
one of the few things that remained and its arguably one of the blandest and shallowest mechanics/facets of sekiro, they would benefit immensely from a new take on their healing system
>same boss systems and designs
they look and feel wildly different, are different to fight, have huge differences in how they are set up, so much that it can even be seen when a repurposed tomoe is ported to ER and it becomes notable how much of the work is already done for you compared to the other ER bosses when you try to port her into a functioning sekiro boss
>same area design
youre such a retarded faggot, literally none of the games in the souls demon+trilogy have the same area design in the first place, and its completely different with wolfs' new mobility
>even the same type of "everything goes to shit or has already gone to shit" story
thats just your ludicrously retarded headcanon
the game even makes it clear that so much of what went wrong with ashina is because wolf himself brutally raped any and every single thing that ashina still had going for its successful defense. He even kills isshin(forma de santo) for fucks sake. And wolfs' entire journey is far more centered on himself and his unrelated mission than the world, as opposed to souls games where your entire mission is just the general world/location/setting at the same time as you start as a nobody

>>716082342
>but those are all 9's and 10's.
Sekiro and BB are, but ER and DS3? Lol. Lmao even.

>>716093743
blah blah blah blah
quite literally nothing you said is even accurate in the slightest. also it's funny you call my interpretation "headcanon" when the entire game's "backdrop" is about the fall of ashina. you have to be a truly retarded midwit to not glean that from going through the game
>he even kills isshin
isshin literally dies by himself from his illness if you don't do the shura ending like a faggot
but... whatever you say, tranny

>>716095153
>Can't actually engage and refute any of his points
>Has to resort to buzzwords like a 5 year old redditor
Mentally, logically, and verbally raped to the third degree.

>>716095402
>completely fails at understanding the most basic of fromsoft stories
>tries calling me a 5 year old redditor
kek. whateva you say, tranny

>>716095153
>when the entire game's "backdrop" is about the fall of ashina
you cant ignore how sekiro completely ruined genichiros' plan and killed many of his very best warriors. he shredded through them and isshin allowed that because he just thought it was time to let go and that nothing good would have come out of it
And unlike in soles, its not an isolated place: The world in sekiro is fine, ashina is just one place. As opposed to "pls save humanity everything went to shit"
>isshin dies by himself
are you gonna ignore isshin coming back to life in his very prime, something canonically fearsome enough to potentially turn the tides of battle by itself, and then losing a duel to sekiro (that was genichiros' plan B in the first place btw)

>>716082038
>ingame screenshot vs cinematic shot
duuhh

>>716081575 (OP)
Anybody going to post the gameplay?

RIP Bombom. maybe you live forever in Hotel Krat.

>>716088679
The zoo entrance with the half eaten giraffe carcass and bloodied lion statue, echoing loudspeaker classical music and snowy weather leading to those giant doors and museum building is one of the most foreboding intros to a game I've seen desu

>google some gameplay to see if its worth pirating
>find some random mid-game boss to not spoil myself too much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMuHTGUjS7k
>it looks like really slow, easy and boring bloodborne combat
why would anyone play this? is the atmosphere good? i like the idea of steampunk souls but the gameplay looks like shit
last time i tried a "souls like" was nioh and i dropped it half way through out of boredom

>>716081575 (OP)
Because the level design is dogshit, the enemies are repetitive and the OST is very forgetable

>>716100043
nvm dont both replying to me, i just learned you have a little lantern that constantly talks and says things post boss fight

what a pile of doshit

>>716081575 (OP)
Not the best soulslike, but as far as what I've played it's certainly the best that wasn't made by From (if anyone disagrees, I'd be happy to told of more superior soulslikes).
Compared to From games: DS1=Sekiro>>LoP=DS3>ER>DS2
So yeah on average I'd say if you averaged out the quality of every Fromsoft soulslike, Lies of P would be on par.
Biggest complaint with it is that every player will reach stargazers in the exact same order every playthrough, and even DS3 had points where you could branch off in multiple directions.
DLC was great btw.

>>716100685
>that tier list
trash retard opinion, gonna guess you're horrible at dodging and need either boomer-tier combat or parryshit to save you
skill issue

>>716100685
>So yeah on average I'd say if you averaged out the quality of every Fromsoft soulslike, Lies of P would be on par.
Thematically the game is interesting but the polish and execution to be alongside fromsoft games just aren’t there at all. It’s very much of a clone, aka a less-than product wishing it was something better. I couldn’t believe how people were calling this Bloodborne 2, no it’s not, not even close

>>716100685
Nine Sols I guess, though that's a Sekiro-like more than a soulslike

>>716094161
yep.
DaS 3 is a 9, ER, BB, and Sekiro are 10.
this is objectively correct. i'm sorry your mentally handicapped induced delusions make you think otherwise.

>>716100043
why would i bother caring about the opinion of a frogposter

>>716101074
>If you don't think highly of a game, it means ur bad scrub lol

>>716101519

>>716102442
correct

I don't get how people go bananas over some of the blandest characters and storyline I have ever witnessed. Even ER's retarded backstory plot seemed more logical and interesting than resurrection idiocy. Bloodborne had more memorable moments through the limited cutscenes it had than this entire game that was meant to lean into movie lovers taste.

>>716102871
It's easy to appreciate a story that's told straight like LoP's when people are tired of Fromslop vague meaningless stories tied to item descriptions.

>>716103023
I have seen movie games with better cast and scenes than Lies of P which pretends to be one so bad. From's lore may not be for everyone but I prefer it over one dimensional drivel trash with some of the worst plotlines and characters in history.

>>716103245
Nah it's good.

>>716103289
If you only played like 2 games in your entire life.

>>716103357
I only played Dark Souls 3 and Elden Ring

>>716103404
u should checking out Ender Scroll Sky-rim it has the bestest combat