Thread 716101098

Is he right?

maybe

>>716101098 (OP)
>painted nails
>framed satanic picture
>looks like a tranny
>sucks of indieslop
and millennials worship this homo

He is, but AAA asshats are more self-centered than the shitheads over at /pol/ that they would rather destroy their own reputation and burn their studios to the ground than admit to being wrong

Where's Blackroom, John?

>>716101382
>millennials
Gen X. Stop Gen X erasure

No way, fag.

>>716101098 (OP)
I mean most indies just end up copying Nintendo nowadays.

>>716101098 (OP)
Innovation and creativity are just as dead in the indie scene as they are in AAA.

>>716101098 (OP)
>decorates his room with the demonic imagery (the funko pops of satanists)
anyone else think john romero gives off 'i have a bull' vibes?

HE IS ABOUT TO MAKE ME HIS BITCH

Romero is right about this but unfortunately the only thing AAA devs try to emulate is battle royale, extraction shooter live service garbage.

Nobody is actually willing to try anything "new".

>>716101382
>>looks like a tranny
cool projecting tranny
guarantee you're a bald virgin who can't grow a beard lmao

>>716101098 (OP)
>John Romero will never make you his bitch
why even live bros

>>716101925
seething soillennial tranny defending xer idol

>>716101958
HE IS DOING IT TO ME RIGHT NOW

>>716101989
good job defending
>>716101382
I'm sure shim will be very happy with you troon

Won't be indies. It'll be gas station attendants.

>>716101098 (OP)
Yes, indies and AAs realize that wokeshit was fake and astroturfed and dropped it so their games wouldn't lose sales while being creative and innovative like the old days. AAA studios and corporations want to keep pushing woke nonsense in their games while wasting untold amount of money on this garbage despite even their Shareholders believing they're being borderline retarded for doing it. AAA is going to collapse and that will only be a benefit for the industry at large.

>>716101382
>Millennial
Gen X, retarded zoom zoom. Gen X and we millennials made satanism look cool just like Christianity, you zoomers made them both gay and neutered as shit.

Xbox literally had a program to support and publish indie games and 90% of them were utter dogshit. The rest was alright.

>>716101389
Then let them burn. From the ashes of the old, a new industry can be built, one that can learn from the past and not make the same stupid mistakes.

>>716101382
That's Gen X. They're edgelords.

>>716101098 (OP)
Most indie games are ripoffs of classics and not innovative at all

>>716102396
Satanists were and always have been cringe, LGBT-loving atheists

>>716101098 (OP)
He is, with just one correction. Indies are the present of gaming, not just the future.

SUCK IT DOWN

>>716102410
As opposed to 99% of AAA being utter dogshit, those are pretty good numbers.
Also Dust was kino

>>716101098 (OP)
I don't know. I play anything that interest me. AAA or indies. I play video games for entertainment, which probably considered strange by most people.

it's crazy how this baphomet shit is everywhere and nobody even seems to notice

free market fixes itself

>>716102396
>Satanists
>cool
Don't kid yourself

Bet the game is better if it’s indie hope he keeps it up

>>716101098 (OP)
indie studios aren't hamstrung by departments full of people whose only function is to kick perfectly good work back into production, except this time make it uglier and gayer

Guys, that's the Sigil art for his Doom thing. Of course it's "Satanist".

>>716101098 (OP)
no, any and all indies are garbage. none compare to the hole AA left behind

>>716103139
Who cares? Doom is boomerfag loser garbage anyway.

>>716101989
go to bed no-bearded granny

>>716101382
Here you dropped this.

>>716102959
I think it's the fact that because it's everywhere, the shock value of it drops and it becomes normal.

>>716101098 (OP)
He's not John Carmack, so no, he's not

>>716102959
The problem isn't the baphomet, it's just faggots, it's always been faggots, no one likes them, and no one wants to see them.

>>716102410
>90% of them were utter dogshit
Castleminer Z was fun, don't @ me

>>716101098 (OP)
Yeah. Of course, they never follow through.

Doubt it. Indies have to compete with older games.

>>716103156
How do we bring AAs back?

>>716101098 (OP)
>washed up fag with the safest take imaginable

I just think PC and Console like games we've been used to are actually going to disappear completely.

Gaming really hasn't changed much since the 6th gen and the only direction I think it can go is complete transformation and won't look very similar and won't compete with the old space at all, which will mostly be abandoned.

>>716101098 (OP)
Yes, and with AI it will be the golden age of single gamedev studios.

>>716101382
Christcuck MIGA retards belong to Epstein files.

>>716104352
AI's just going to devalue gaming altogether. When a million games are released in a year everyone's just going to nod their head and walk away.

>>716101098 (OP)
This man has fucked more pussy than you will ever see in your entire lives, lmfao.

>>716104434
If your game doesn't capture the attention of people, maybe you shouldn't be making games.

AI is not magic just like roids alone won't make you an Olympic Athlete.

>>716102423
>one that can learn from the past and not make the same stupid mistakes.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH-AHAHAHAHAHAH-AHAHAHAH holy shit anon

>>716101382
All real artists are like that. Weirdos.

>>716104759
any attention will be completely swamped in short order with copycats, not years later, days / weeks later. dunno, just seems like a completely unviable market to exert effort.

>>716104759
This, AI is a tool, if you know how to use it, you'll make the game of the century, it you don't, you'll just make a turd. There is no difference in using AI vs not using AI. If you suck, you suck.

>>716101098 (OP)
>indies are the future
It has been almost 20 years of that meme and we only got saturation of shovelware tier deritaive games, very few actually worthy titles, way too many meme games fotw and even more glorification to the person behind the game rather the games themselves

AAA and indieshit are two sides of the same shitty coin; AA is the only thing that matters, always did.

>>716104896
Then don't use it, and let Rajeet made a cheap game that no one will pay for.

>>716101098 (OP)
No, because Triple-A will never admit they're going in a bad direction.

>>716105091
Making a game is going to be like putting up content on the internet realizing someone else is monetizing it and you just did it for fun.

Any new idea that's neat will immediately be jumped on by everyone with an AI to spin it up and trying to get something out of it.

>>716104352
kek seething

>>716105247
Which already happens now just not as fast, you're going to have to deal with it retard

>>716101098 (OP)
yes. i spent money to upgrade to a new graphics card to play AAA games made in the past 10 years and they're all fucking dogshit compared to the random 2mb gamesi was playing on Itch.

He’s right in theory but in practice it’s more difficult than it sounds. You have these scenarios
A: AAA studios that make generic corporate slop
B:ambitious indie games that get cancelled or canned somehow before they get finished due to burnout or some sort of obstacle
C: indie games that get finished but it’s by some guy doing shit to alienate the user base shoving whatever ideologies they have into it
D: a group of guys who are normal and just make a good game
a lot of stars have to align for D to work. It’s like a band. You can’t have a band with just a good singer you need the other guys too. And they all need to be good at what they do as well and have to be able to stand eachother and work together to get anything done. the more people you have in the band the more unstable it gets because one bad apple can ruin the entire thing.


Realistically I would say a team of less than 10 people would be ideal for many games but maybe something closer to 5 or 6 would be better. and even that can be a challenge to assemble these guys together. It all comes down to luck and the right people being around at the right time at the right place. I think this is why so few actually good indie games come out.

>>716101098 (OP)
He is objectively correct.
The most top tier foundational games we know of were all made by small but dedicated and passionate teams. Nothing is stopping people from doing that these days.
The issue with indie games however is that the barrier for entry to make a video game is basically nothing now compared to 20-30 years ago, which as a consequence means we get vast amounts of trash.

>>716105386
dunno, just seems like a tragedy of the commons is going to appear because of it and no one will be able to benefit.

>>716105702
Ok and?

not if the EU has anything to say about it

>>716105732
so no one will do it

>>716105702
>if I have an idea someone else will build on it!!!!
If you are worried about jeets and chinks stealing your idea you are really worried about yourself. Just go for it.

>>716104075
The real world doesn't work on magic, but on supply and demand. So in my eyes, what you're saying means that you're dumb.

>>716101382
the irony poisoned balding zoomer fears a genuine passionate man

>>716104648
His hand doesn't count just because he put some faggy nail polish on. Kids don't count either.

>>716105782
>that stupid lie
>not even on topic
Name 3 indie games that rely on a central server and can't have an offline mode.

>>716105931
path of exile
lol
warframe

all started as indie

>>716101382
you forgot
>works in a gas station since going broke
lmao what a has been.

>>716104352
You didn't care about Epstein 4 years ago, you'll go back to not caring the second Drumpf is out of power.

>>716104779
Yeah, fair. But hey, at least this way more opportunities open up for indies and smaller studios to grow and take the place of the giants, so we have a whole new crop of industry names we can angrily shake our fists at for slowly but surely losing touch with what the players want as they make billions.

>>716101098 (OP)
He's half-right
>Indie games are the future
Yes.
>Triple-A studios looking at indies for inspiration
No. They'll never admit they're wrong and will keep shoveling out 6+ years dev cycles million-dollars projects helmed by teams of 600+ sycophants sold at $80+tip+season pass+early access+DLC+taxes that will be considered monumental flops that couldn't make their money back even if they sell 10 million copies.

>>716103674
Pool your money together with like-minded friends to form a company, and get a dependable, autistic lawyer who can navigate and find the loopholes in anti-discrimination law so you can ABSOLUTELY FUCKING GATEKEEP all the trannies, faggots, and women from your company so they can't ruin everything from within. Hire only like-minded individuals who deeply appreciate games.

>>716106448
This

>>716106607
Hopefully, this starts happening. It's a shame that this has to be done now.

>>716106448
>No. They'll never admit they're wrong
I guess all the big devs chasing after the battle royale and extraction shooter trend weren't real then.

>>716104926
It's the best tool that will free us from corpo shit.

>>716105318
what about the Epstein Files, MIGAbro?

>>716101098 (OP)
Hey John, I hope you are doing well.

Indies are slop.

>>716108748
Feels so good

>>716101295
What he said.

I hate when people say stuff like this, but don’t give a single example of this happening.

Does he really believe that? I think it's more like, "let's copy this trend" but then they have to think "but it might take us 5-years of development time to do it and by then the trend would be dead by then so is it worth it?" Sounds the same but their goals overall are different. They both want to profit from the trend but AAA is expecting at least 5 times the profit for their effort for doing it.

Of course he's right. While AAA companies are flushing decades of work and billions of dollars down the drain indiefags are making Buckshot Roulettes, Vampire Survivors, Balatros, etc. for 0.1% of the budget. AAA publishers are clueless niggers that never want to try anything new and just shit out slop on repeat once a trend entrenches itself, they are NEVER at the forefront of a change in gaming, not since over 15 years ago at least.

ngl, I don't remember the last time I played a triple-A game.

>>716101098 (OP)
He's talking about himself here after microsoft dropped him btw
>a-a-ahctually indies are the future

Can he hurry the fuck up already and make the DOOM 2 WAD and new levels for Quake 2 like he promised

>>716101098 (OP)
I think we need to start being mean to indie devs. Too many quirky earthbound inspired journey's into self discovery to learn they like cock or whatever.
If it'd be gay for AAA it's gay for indie too

>>716101098 (OP)

ID Software was an indie studio when he was there. They self published everything up to Doom II. Generally speaking, he's not wrong.

>>716102396
>made satanism look cool
it was literally ALWAYS gay, there was just enough counter culture retards that you were in an echo chamber.
Even past the whole shock of "haha yeah we worship the BAD GUY, mad yet libruls?" it's just SO incredibly fucking gay

>>716101382
He looks like an old dude still into heavy metal to me (like most guys from ID were back in the 90s).

>>716111241
So, the indies will be the start-up and some MAY become AA, but chances are, the AAA/AAAA era is finally dead?

No, but I wish. What are AAA taking from indies? AAA just keep making the same Soulsclones and AssCreed clones over and over.

>>716101098 (OP)
>lets make more low effort shit games with clay graphics

>>716111618
I dunno, the mocapped, face scanned celebs seems bad to me, personally

I don't think this is true. When Indie Game the movie came out there was a fantasy that indies were auteurs who were going to make what they wanted and that would give new ideas to the industry. Then every indie just copies each other and or chases after whatever money is around. Vampire Survivors is big then you get 500 clone games etc. You think indies don't have to answer to suits so they'll be more dynamic but they're all sell outs. You've got game about depression, game for art gallery where you jack off a car and then you've got (latest fad), that's all your indie games.

>>716103156
I'd take one starsector over a million starfields and no man skys. People that say indie games are bad either haven't played many of them or have terrible taste.

>>716103139
>Me when my new girlfriend comes over and sees all the swastikas
>'This is actually a reference to the level Command Control from Doom 1'

>>716101098 (OP)
John Romero was a douchebag his entire life, always the less talented one at id, has never made a good game as a solo project, and needed a tard wrangler to do anything productive in his life.

>>716101295
fpbp

>>716111853
The problem was that indie games started to take off right around the "games are art" movement, and as a result, most of the indies carried an air of pretentiousness, even back then (Fez and Braid, the two games in that movie, are early examples of that). Name ONE popular indie game that's not pretentious, a derivative of a dead franchise/genre, extremely autistic, or a combination thereof.

>>716101098 (OP)
Any grown man that paints his nails is a gigantic faggot. Even retard ass metal musicians never do that shit.

Also why does he have a framed picture of some generic photoshop metal album cover? Guy is a total retard.

>>716112910
Starsector
Rimworld
Kenshi
Underrail
etc

There are a billion of them. You have shit taste. inb4 "those are all extremely autistic." They're not. You just have the IQ of a potato.

>>716113125
>Also why does he have a framed picture of some generic photoshop metal album cover? Guy is a total retard.
>>716103139
>>716103471

>>716101098 (OP)
He's right. The big companies do not make games for the sake of creating something fun, new and exciting. The only thing they're interested in now is making profits. It's no longer about the creation of games, it's about money.