Thread 716121992

why is this game not alive

>>716121992 (OP)
>Moba with forced team play and too many objectives for the usual monkey brained shitter to keep up with
>release way too late to keep up with lol
>Needed general good will toward blizard to sell their roster
lots of reasons.

because the whole company is dead

because blizzard is run by incompetents

>approached by icefrog "hey guys want to partner with me and make dota 2? :)"
>gets laughed out of the meeting room
>goes to riot, gets told no
>goes to valve, gaben realizes the potential and says yes
>dota 2 spends time cooking in beta
>blizzard goes "erm...what the flip? YOU CANT DO THAT DOTA BELONGS TO US!!!!!!!!" (this also leads to blizzard panicking and killing off all custom content creation for their games, no custom maps in overwatch for example)
>shit their pants and realize they need their own competitor (for some reason), sues valve, loses, only thing they can do is prevent them from using the name Defense of The Ancients but not Dota 2
>makes hots but makes it simplified for the avg retard, makes it so a single game doesnt take an hr+
>only flaw is you have to be a warcraft/starcraft fan
>many blizzard fans dont actually play video games with wow as their only game
>starts bringing in diablo fans with more diablo content to make it more well-rounded
>things are good for a while, crazy off the wall shit gets added like chogall, murky, the lost vikings, abathur, etc
>rework loot system that nobody wanted
>mtx is weak so the game struggles to turn a profit
>lots of power creep, for example genji is just a better version of illidan
>start adding more and more overwatch shit to the game to where wow/diablo/sc fans feel alienated
>unceremoniously pull the plug

Simply because blizzard fired all the staff.
They also censored it for the chinese market so fuck those commies.

>be annoying fuck keeps pinging
>call them out
>he responds with "???" pretends to be innocent and says he reported me
>shadowbanned
>get stuck in loser q for the next 20 games
I wonder, blizzard deserves to go under

>>716121992 (OP)
People like to blame blizzard on this one, but the reality is that HotS was never a very appealing game from its core design standpoint. The game was still receiving updates but the playerbase still was very low.
The game is too shallow to be fun in the long term. So people go to Dota2 if they want deep mechanics
The game is too slow and characters are very tanky, so people go play an action packed game like LoL

it's in this strange limbo where there's still some players but not enough to warrant Blizzard to put a burka on every girls to cover another sexual harassment case

not profitable
late to the party
tried too hard to e-sports it

>>716122606
You do NOT face any kind of consequences from a single report, shut the fuck up.

>>716121992 (OP)
Blizzard tried to make a forever-game backward, by monetizing it first through the tournament scene and then letting people figure out if its any good, and then once the game finally built a solid community and people figured out how to actually play the game at a high level blizzard dropped the competitve scene. If they spent the same amount of money in a reverse order the game would be a hundred times more popular.

>>716123281
anon probably omitted the part where he typed "nigger" 25 times

what's the game like nowadays?

>>716123281
the game uses the same autoban system that the rest of blizzards game use, in fact if you currently play enough games in a season right now you will GUARANTEED get banned at some point even if you literally never ever ping or say anything in chat because even people on the opposing team can report you and once you hit a certain amount of reports you get auto suspended and every single time that happens the threshold for your next auto suspension PERMANTLY LOWERS so you get suspended faster until eventual perma-ban

early HOTS was fun, early Smite was fun. then they went way too far in their own direction and became annoying poke-fests 24/8

was fun while it lasted though, i just want another monday night combat tbqhwy

>>716121992 (OP)
>why is this game not alive
it still has a population and decent queue times for me
Looking back compared to alot of games that have outright flopped you could argue that this game was a success in some aspects.

>>716124501
It's chill
if you are a turbo tryhard you'll get frustrated, but if you just want to fuck around for 20 minutes it's all right.

The best part of the game is some of the hero designs, because they got more creative as it went on. Shame those concepts are stuck in this game.

Compare it to dota where all the new hero designs are very dry and 0 imagination. And then you have Deathwing in HotS where the idea is "how do we design a hero with perma bkb"

>>716121992 (OP)
Blizzard killed it

>>716124916
>if you are a turbo tryhard you'll get frustrated, but if you just want to fuck around for 20 minutes it's all right.
Exactly. I main Deckard and just watch people and see if they'll collect my Potions. It's zero effort, so it makes it more difficult to be exhausted by dumb matches.

>>716122368
yeah, OW heroes like tracer, genji, lucio just flat out shat on previous roster
was a turning point when i starter to play less and less
at least hots dev team was based and we got
SEX Whitemane
SEX Valeera
SEX Tyrande
SEX Alex
and
SEXO Zagara

This game has so many fun healers like whitemane or Rehgar

>>716125730
yeah most if not all OW were cancer save for zarya

>>716124714
can confirm this was how it workes even back when I played a lot in 2015-16
i've had people get "muted" and barred from ranked play even when they had chat completely disabled

>>716121992 (OP)
Zoomers can't play for fun. The game has no competitive scene, no streamer presence, game is forcibly team based so you can't flex your kda ratio and whine you can't "carry".

>>716124887
Panda sexoooooo.

>>716125730
>Whitemane
God bless
>her evil laugh
>her "evil" laugh when healing instead

>>716126551
If you emote with her she litterally stomps the ground with her heel and twist.

>>716121992 (OP)
HOTS is the Skoda of MOBAs.

I played for a bit and REALLY like abathar. Just everything about his kit is super fun for me. I don't play much Mobas, but when I gave them a try I liked Dota 2 more. That said, I'd be damn happy if Dota 2 got some not Abathar unit and it would probably cause me to pick it up again, at least for a little bit.

>>716125868
>>716125730
Is Genji actually that busted? I only play him in aram and he's useless there but maybe I'm playing him wrong.

>>716127523
he's the bane of squeashy characters and tend to always be able to maul them before dying

>>716121992 (OP)
Because Blizzard never released it on Steam. A 3.0 relaunch would (temporarily at least) save it.

I genuinely think HOTS was/is the best MOBA, but thats also because I hate other MOBAs. For me HOTS is like a sort of top down overwatch where your team has to work together to complete the objective, and for me the game shined most when there were single objectives on the map like the dragon map or whatever where you had to fight to become the big dragon, that stuff is so cool, and I really thought was a big improvement over Dota and lol. The biggest thing for me was that I dont have to go in and worry about 10000 different items, I just had to learn my character and be good with movement and shot placement. Some of the complexity may have been removed there, but for me that was a good thing, because even in the warcraft 3 version I always felt like the items were a cumbersome stop-gap for limitations in the warcraft 3 map editor system whereas HOTS leveling system is much more intuitive while achieving essentially the same outcome, though admittedly more skill trees to choose from per character would be welcome. Anyways, I think it was and is the best one, but like other posters pointed out, Blizzard essentially just fumbled the bag and came to the party too late.

>>716127741
>The biggest thing for me was that I dont have to go in and worry about 10000 different items, I just had to learn my character and be good with movement and shot placement.
See that's imo partially why it died. People bitch about Dota 2s items being hard, but it gives the players the depth they need to stick around. I honestly think HotS is just to easy mechanically for its own good.

>>716127935
Yeah but all that serves to do is form noob-traps, its not like there's 30 different meta builds for each character. If anything there's maybe one or two.

her game might be dead, but my love for her will never die.

>>716128090
Kinda. You're right in that there's pre-set builds you want to go with. But it does also mean you can take more risky of meta strats that may pay off, or go with unorthodox item orders if you deem one item to be more important for a match up. That, and item counter play is a huge deal so mid to late game you start to see more diverse load outs to try and counter each other, at least on higher levels of play.

You also have the possibility of jank builds that are funny to try, like when life stealer could body snatch a magic immune golem and just chase everyone down to death trying to kill then with radiant tic damage, or shit like the "wolves need no armor" tower rush strat when it was a thing. I don't think stuff like that pop up as much in HotS.

>>716127523
On release he was just feasting on any non tank hero plus busted mobility creep (million jumps/dashes + can auto while moving)

I'd kill for a steam release, I hate the blizz launcher with a passion

>>716129537
crazy blizzcuck didn't already pull the trigger on this. easiest way to breathe life to this shit

>>716129725
They were probably scared away because of the reception to you know what.

>>716129725
have you seen the devs of HOTS, they are everything blizztroons hate

>>716121992 (OP)
>Make game
>It's fun
>Remove fun for your artificially created E-sports scene
>E-sports scene doesn't work
>Even though the game is making money upper managment only cared it as a way to create an E-sports scene
>Kill game

>>716128126
Yeah it was my main healer, people can't fucking use it i was always at least 100k on the half match and people was "whoa usually bw does shit healing".
I also masturbate to her.

Woke crap, they ruined alextraza

>>716124887
Dumb panda.

>>716121992 (OP)
Cause fuck nuBlizzard

>>716122606
This is newborn baby shit compared to LoL

>>716121992 (OP)
I've lost buckets of semen to this skin

>>716127523
No, not anymore at least
He's still decently strong but people have since learned how to hard CC his ass and you need to be really good with him to actually get his full damage. Orphea is far more of a problem than genji or tracer are at this point

>>716122606
It's so easy to mute a specific player's pings. Literal skill issue.

When they added all the Overwatch heroes is when the game truly died, there was no comeback after that.

>>716121992 (OP)
I hate fighting specialists so much. Fuck you Nazeebo and fuck you Sgt Hammer.

>>716121992 (OP)
I never played this but I am going to guess: Blizzard's balancing of the game was PUTRID SHIT and even the most hardcore of fans abandoned the game.

Blizzard has destroyed most of their games due to extremely poor game balancing. All the other stuff is fluff. Their games just suck. They'll buff things that are already strong. They'll nerf things that are mid. They'll rework garbage classes and they'll still end up garbage bottom of the totem pole tier. They are actually insanely horrible at managing their games.

>>716121992 (OP)
it all went to shit when they added OW characters evem then i loved reflecting shit with genji

I think if they launched on Steam people would be playing it. Even with Bnet being required.Star Wars Battlefront 2 has had like 3 "revives" throughout the years.

>>716134284
No it was balanced ok imo considering you had shit like the zerg who just spawns overlords all game

>>716123207
>tried too hard to e-sports it
This has been the story of Blizzard for the last 15ish years now. Everything has become antiseptic and sapped for fun in a poor attempt make everything "balanced" and competitive. Wonder, exploration, and interesting gameplay have all eaten shit for builds, metas, and leagues. I assume they were spited by how competitive StarCraft occured organically, and I assume the dota lawsuit buck broke them to insanity.

SC2 was sort of interesting, but losing unit collision really fucked with how fast games were played and interest waned as Blizzard kept turning the gameplay upside down to reset a meta, but never could admit that the core gameplay was just too fast to be an esport

HotS could have just stayed a simple, casual assfaggots game, had an amazing sound and art team, but it didn't pick up ESPORTS PRO status, causing Bliz to just abandon it instead of just continuing it with a small dedicated team

OW should have just stayed a goofy team shooter with whacky events and characters added frequently. Instead they got stuck in a balance loop trying to push that stupid league, alienating 85% of the player base who just wanted to suck with their friends and collect outfits

The only semi interesting thing going on in WoW is mythic raiding which again 95% of the player base doesn't partake in due to all the sweating necessary. There is no longer a world, nor is there even a warcraft as the faction war is gone.

Can't speak for Diablo or Hearthstone but I'm sure it's the same; ignoring 96% of the fan base to appeal to the top and bottom 2% while nickel and diming whales for cosmetics

>When Uther (and other characters) is chasing his opponent and gets near he holds his hammer above his head ready to strike
>When you stop moving there's an animation to show you stopped moving before going to stand post
>Every character has a dance
That's just the cosmetic stuff that shows it was the last game that Blizzard actually poured their soul into this game.
The real genius of HotS is that
>The stats and statuses are extremely simple to understand and are consistent
>Two damage types, magic and physical
>Physical armor value is a % reduction of orange attacks
>Magic armor value is a % reduction of purple attacks
>Armor does both
>There is almost zero RNG
>You get all your basic abilities at the start
>Talents mean no back tracking to the shop and are far more intuitive and interesting than items
>Traits make every single character feel unique and interesting
>Loads of maps with different layouts and strategies giving value to different heroes
HotS is the best ASSFAGGOTS by far, its not even a contest. The 'polish' updates its gotten recently are all it required. It's perfect.

>>716121992 (OP)
>>>>>>>>>>Hots
Because its the slopiest of the slop
Kill yourself. I mean it

>>716142840
gonna need more buzzwords to convince me good sir

>>716142910
He'll start pakiposting next, just wait.

>>716143024
I just don't understand why this particular thread got his pants into a twist. For once it's a genuine vidya discussion about a game people here mostly liked

>>716121992 (OP)
Dota killed it

>>716123281
I’ve been perma banned 3 times from HOTS for language

Blizzard couldn't milk it for esports and were salty as fuck over dota 2.

Now that the e-sport boom is dead, I wish we would get a good moba from a proper company.
Dota 2 and League sucks ass now.

Blizzard chased the esports meme because of DotA and LoL instead of cruising by on easy casual money. They just had to pump out every legacy character while making dozens of skins a month and new maps once in a while and they were golden

Hots is actually super good to practice high octane teamfights for other mobas. That's what i used it for. But desu the kit designs were hit and miss a lot of the time. Loved nazeebo though. Man does that dude dish out damage

>>716144137
Bruh the thread died the second i posted lmao

I play it every now and then. Only QM, though. I play one hero.

It was the only MOBA that got me hooked. Mostly because of quick casual matches. I used to main Tyrande, but she stopped being as fun after getting a rework. Then I played a lot of Sylvanas, Azmodan, Li-Ming and Chromie, but they also got reworks or heavy nerfs. During my last days of playing it, I had the most fun with Zul'jin. I loved how maps had their own objectives, so there was way more variety than in LoL or DotA2. Also some heroes were really creative, Murky, Abathur, The Lost Vikings, Cho'gall, etc.

>>716121992 (OP)
The game does a very bad job of actually rewarding you for just getting good at very few heroes you might like (which is how most people play mobas) because of how out there some of the designes are there being different maps that massively shift balance. The game is also very casual at every point expect the beginning because of how much draft matters and knowing what heroes do.

>your mm is outdated trash from dota-league days (thats dota1)
>everyone from bronze to high mmr tell you this
>forum is clogged with mm posts
>jannie delete them ban people and ignore it
>dev ignore it
>literally highest mmr players + the competitive pro players create they own channel where they make custom games to play vs each other
>now your top 100-200 do not play ranked anymore
>they place is now filled with lower shitters that shitter place is taken by even lower and so on down the road to bronze.
>your mm is even more shit now
>after years realize shit is bad and need a fix
>slowly start to improve mm and ranking system
>too late now because most players left
>now slightly improved mm/ranking cant perform well because there are few people to work with
>continue a drift to this day
>this game is unique as a moba and had its niche
>literally got cucked by its own creators retardation
>i guess nothing new for a blizzard™

I still play it every day. I think there is hardly any overlap on the venn diagram of people who enjoy hots, and people who enjoy literally every other moba. hots just does something totally different and this infuriates people who like lol, dota, etc..

>>716121992 (OP)
games are decided by how good you are at fighting other players instead of whack a mole

>>716121992 (OP)
i dropped it because no map select in casual afaik
since 2022 two maps (the 3 lanes diablo one and the WC one) crash my pc the moment the game begins and i move the camera around and support has never helped or responded

>>716121992 (OP)
Even if blizzard started making new content we would have to deal with modern multiplayer people that take everything absurdly serious

>>716144137
Pro tip for everyone who plays moba with friends but at the same time sucks at team fights

Bump