Why don't we get sandbox mmos anymore? They used to make this shit in the 90s with 6 guys made of duct tape. Wtf.

cause they aren't fun

>>716165830
Fuck off zoom

>>716164461 (OP)
Make one and give it mobile access or can be played from a webbrowser

>>716166169
>mobile

Why would I want zoomers?

>>716166281
pajeets*

Oh fuxking lmao, tibia. Neat

>>716164461 (OP)
Because of WoW's success

>>716164461 (OP)
Griefers and carebears ruin everything, look at eve online, it's basically DarkRP where dickass faggots will spawncamp you, but when you try to do anything fun you'll have a bunch of gay people reporting you to moderators for violating the rule of.... You can't take my stuff if I don't want you to

Me and my 2 best friends decided to tattoo a magic plate armor on us ad a symbol of our friendship. We used to shitpost and meme about tibia for hours every day kek

What is bubbagame up to nowadays?

This game was my childhood. Ir molded me. This was the closest any gamer could come to living in a dangerous ghetto kek

>>716164461 (OP)
Im a guy who plays tibia and all I can say is good fucking riddance.
There is no such thing is "sandbox mmo" because it will be abused by the 0.1% to the point where nobody can fucking play. And funnily enough those 0.1% also generate so much revenue there is no point in doing anything about them from the business perspective.

We just had first, yes fucking first drop in history since the item came out 2 years ago. TWO FUCKING YEARS. Ofc its now priced at ~100k USD.

You think you do but you actually and unironically do not.

And private servers be that any game not only Tibia is just there to steal and sell all the information, die in 2 weeks and open again month later.

I have a feeling flash games/soulful human made fan games are gonna make a comeback soon

>>716172149
>We just had first, yes fucking first drop in history since the item came out 2 years ago. TWO FUCKING YEARS. Ofc its now priced at ~100k USD.
Bruh what? Qrd me right meow
Also if you think this lowly about the game, why play it?

>>716164461 (OP)
I played Tibia once.
ONCE
Very quickly found out it's just pure griefing all the time. Basically unplayable.

>>716164461 (OP)
>Why don't we get sandbox mmos anymore?
because you don't want to play them
you think you want to, but you don't
not even memeing here

>>716164461 (OP)
They do still make them here and there, but they are always overrun by third-worlders. If you try to play something like Albion you end up having to become a lumber-slave to a Turkish cartel. The days of comfy Ultima Online are over. Like with most things, it was ruined when everyone got the internet instead of it being something for nerdy westoids.

Nolife griefers ruin them. Yes, there is some faggot who will do nothing but spawncamp you for 18 hours a guy, giggling as his obese gut jiggles in delight at your annoyance. Yes, he will be there tomorrow, and next week, and next month, and next year.

>>716172537
We made crypto MMOS to fix this, but you hate them

>>716164461 (OP)
Honestly min/maxxer, guides and datamines tend to ruin any sandbox MMO. A lot of players won't interact with something if there isn't a reward for it. Sandbox MMOs back in the day benefited from information spreading harder and people not knowing how to find them which also lead to more interactions with each other in game.

>>716164461 (OP)
People can't focus more than 2 minutes thanks to brainrot apps.

>>716172384
>Also if you think this lowly about the game, why play it?
Because when you have a charater/wealth slowly generated in 4 years its somewhat playable.
>Bruh what? Qrd me right meow
Its not even a big deal thats the worst part, group of power abusing very high level brazillians looted it and there isnt even a reaction. Schizo theory is that devs buffed the drop rate of everything with recent patch.

>>716172967
Fair enough i guess. Sounds like pure sunk cost fallacy to me desu
Also what was the item that dropped? And why is it worth so much

>>716173393
>sunk cost fallacy
yes it is, like with every MMO ever invented, but at least whenever i quit i can just cash out everything for some money because devs made RMT a part of the game
>Also what was the item that dropped?
https://tibia.fandom.com/wiki/Grand_Sanguine_Bow
strongest weapon for the strongest class in the game, there are non-grand versions but they have lower stats

>>716172149
>>716172664
Current BDO somewhat works without PvP and with its regulated central market.
Without PvP and real player trading it isn't a complete sandbox like older titles, but you don't have the problems that come with them

But I'm already play SWG.

>>716174101
Idk how it is in BDO but in Tibia non pvp there are dedicated people to just chase people and make sure they can never hunt any place.

>>716173710
Fair enough dude. Good that you have a exit plan atleast
Also thanks

project gorgon was great for a few months when it had 500+ players but ever since then it's been at half that number or less

"Sandbox" games are just unfinished alphas that the dev shits out and expects players to "le make your own le fun".

>>716174431
Zoomer

>>716174279
WTF?! How? By killing the mobs faster?
>how it is in BDO
If there is someone already on the spot, you can change channels or turn on the instanced realm (some spots don't have it, and it has 1h CD)

>>716174579
Consoomer.

>>716172420
that's what happens when majority of the playerbase is from brazil

>>716174598
yeah. they'll hop on their level 800 account and 1 hit kill the mobs in your spawn while setting up a macro to stalk you.

>>716174598
>WTF?! How? By killing the mobs faster?
Pretty much. Loot is won by whoever did >51% dmg and XP is equal to the % of dmg. As you can guess, if someone with full gear and hundreds of levels come its pretty much over, if there is more than 1 you might as well leave.
We have no instances, no channels no fucking nothing, pure sandbox cancer with actual virtual mafias and extortions.
guilds are telling you to pay something equal to 30$ or they make sure you can't play

>>716164461 (OP)
Because nobody wants to play unfocused garbage whose main draw is "you can interact with random people on the internet". The novelty of that wore off some time in the mid 2000s.

>>716175051
Meanwhile runescape just sold for 2 billion dumb fuck

>>716174869
>>716174913
Was it designed by retards?

>back in the day
>see a high level player with expensive or hard to obtain gear
>"wow! maybe one day i will be as cool as him!"
>hear about a guy who spends 24/7 camping a low level zone
>"what a legend! i better avoid that zone, wouldnt want to be one of his victims. hey, maybe we can team up and fight him?? that would be epic!"

>now
>see a high level player with expensive or hard to obtain gear
>"this guy has played the game more than me?! ugh what a loser virgin incel i bet hes fat and gay"
>hear about a guy who spends 24/7 camping a low level zone
>"report him for griefing he will be banned"

this mindset is unironically what killed mmos. no community can be formed when nobody cares/respects other people in the community. look at how many people ITT are bitching about "nolifers". those are the people who made mmos special

>>716175329
Its a game from 1999, it made sense back then. Devs are 60year old germans, never updated the game to modern standards.
Its a fate of every sandbox and thats why im glad that fucking genre died.

>>716175162
If you think modern Runescape is comparable to what the majority of "6 guys and duct tape" makes, you've got no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

>>716175162
Isnt runescape just a fucking glorified cookie clicker? How can people pretend its an mmo

>>716175329
It's the nature of all wild west types of mp games

>>716175595
I can't imagine to be honest. Your supposed über chad PvP player is just a bully who needs easy wins. People opposing him won't log in after getting curb stomped a couple of days. And nobody has the time and energy for these types of games. Worse if they are full loot mmos. Who ever is left playing them will cannivaliae the remainers and nobody is going to have a good time until the game is dead.

>>716172664
This. For every one person that plays normally, there are 30 no life losers who will spend 24 hours a day in the game. Absolutely doing everything to get back at people for his failures in life. They'll proclaim that the server is dead and nobody wants to play but as soon as anyone plays the game, they immediately and constantly kill anyone over and over. There is no winning against this.

>>716176345
I only kill women characters

>>716175765
OH NO it didn't turn into wow clone 66654785 and hire a bunch of trans devs

>>716175989
fortnite is a full loot/permadeath game and people happily play it while worshiping the best players in the world. if some little zoomer got killed by ninja, a nolife loser who plays fortnite 24/7, they would jizz their pants. when you actually enjoy the game and enjoy being part of the community, getting killed bother you

modern mmo players are faggots by comparison. they dont actually want to play an mmo

>>716176502
Not having instances/channels on one big server where everyone plays would make any game dead on arrival for the last 15 years.
Splitting everyone between 100-300 player server which can easily be abused and charging money for transfer would make you the biggest villain in the game industry.

>>716177171
You only lose forgettable gear in short rounds. They are incomparable when mmos established complex and persistent gear. You seem ignorant and retarded.

>>716177171
>comparing fast pace TPS where you can just start another game instantly to a slow mmo where death makes you lose 1-3 days of actual playtime
If lil zoom lost chun-li skin when he died in fortnite it would make a better yet still dogshit comparison.

>>716177369
99% of the time you wore cheap welfare gear thats easy to replace in dangerous full loot pvp areas. choosing when to risk more was part of the fun

all im seeing ITT is a bunch of fags crying that they dont actually like these mmos. thats why they dont exist anymore lol

>>716172782
Good point. If tibia came out today, there would be endless guides about where to go, what to do and how to play to be as "efficient" as possible, which would ultimately ruin it.
All in all, I hate meta fags.

>>716179594
This isn't a sandbox problem but an mmorpg problem in general.
People want to clear the content as fast as possible as soon as possible, and the games incentivize it. Instead of enjoying the journey, all the new content is made for the endgame players, so there is FOMO for reaching there.
I miss when endgame players were less than 10% of the player base.

>>716166281
You need a playerbase that you can abuse

>>716179594
There already is one lmao, people hit lvl 100 in a day on the new class and the best spots are "booked" literally 24 hours

> ctrl+f
> starbase
> zero results

https://store.steampowered.com/app/454120/Starbase/

also zero players. won't change any time soon because development has once again died.

as to OP's question:
>>716164461 (OP)
>Why don't we get sandbox mmos anymore?
The answer is:
Because sandboxes are fucking empty.
Empty things are boring things.
Boring things do not get played with.

Starbase is a sandbox MMO that, ON GAME LAUNCH:
- Had no map (because there were no points of interest beyond the starting zone)
- Had no fast travel (despite being a space game, where 99.99999% of the world is *EMPTY*)
- Had no permanent player-made bases (extremely large standard ships don't count as bases because they're too fragile)
- Had no social organization features which made forming groups impossible (unless you wanted to get groomed on discord by trannies)
You could build your ship how you liked using an in-game editor (and crash horribly if you tried the "easy build" feature) but that was it. It took actual fucking YEARS for just some those necessary features to be implemented (maps; fast travel; player-made bases) and yet the social-building tools still don't fucking exist, and there are still massive gaps in the ship building mechanic, which is the entire draw of the game as all ships are fully destructible... And PvP is actually massively destructive *to the sandbox identity of the game* and will be one-sided as the other person's ship is made for combat, and players can only really control one ship at a time (due to both the netcode structure and implemented game features)
And there's still no PvE for entertainment when players are not around, either.

Yes, the sandbox is completely fucking empty; it has no sand in it. That's why no one plays in it.

>>716164461 (OP)
To make stuff like this you need a soul + white skin which is getting harder to come by these days.