They had to give her the Red Lyrium otherwise people would've seen that she was 100% correct. The tranquil solution wasn't wrong and this game is just anti-Templar, pro-abomination propaganda

Mages are basically just replacements for dindus or oppressed people irl cause of 2 and Inquisition ran with it. It was done better in Origins.

she was right even with the red lyrium, thats why they had to make anders nuke the chantry no matter what you do

>>716181847 (OP)
i really like the part where your choices don't matter in the end, great game

>>716182010
No nuance for you peasants, get with the program. Do a bharv. Or three.

Is the game actually pro mages? They're constantly shown to be dangerous, susceptible to posession and half of them are secretly blood mages, including the First Enchanter.

>>716182253
the only(singular) good mage in the game is bethany

>>716181847 (OP)

That applies to mages too retard, they had to make Oselmo or whatever his name is
1. Work with Hawk's mother killer
2. Become an abomination and use blood magic even when they are winning
just to pull some "We're very deep, both sides are... LE BAD!".

>>716181847 (OP)
I'm still pissed they retconned tranquility being curable.

>>716182563
Orsino

>>716182742
Tragically funny in hindset with the magic bombing and all.

>>716182742
When did that happen? DA2 or 3?

>>716182563
>talk to Varric in Inq
>ask him why the fuck Orsino turned himself into an abomination
>get an instant Varric disappoves and he just says "I have no fucking idea don't ask"

>>716181847 (OP)
Fuck just IMAGINE what that minge tastes like

>>716182874
when i discovered anders became a schizophrenic mass murderer literal faggot i clapped

>>716183314
I quit DA2 long before that and I haven't played a Bioware game since.

Merrill needs Templar Hawke Cock

>>716183789
To get smacked in the face maybe. For discipline.

>>716183457
too bad you missed the best scene where you either tell anders to fuck off and die and he leaves your party forever or kiss him, no in between

>>716182118
AMAB

>>716182875
Inquisition. If you do Cassandra's sidequest, you find that the Seekers are given their abilities after making them very briefly tranquil. It can only be reversed shortly after it's done, however.

>>716181847 (OP)
She steals mage boys from the circle for re-education purposes

>side with the mages because anders was just a stupid asshole and everyone shouldn't be blamed for one retard terrorist
>boxed in with that archmage guy
>well surely we can hold out. i haven't had much difficulty so fa-
>dude just immediately gives up and turns into a fucking monster to fight back but all he does is turn into a wild animal and turn on me so i have to kill him
>also lets slip he was helping the guy who killed my mom
>also all that shit with the elf mage girl party member
kept giving these guys the benefit of the doubt and kept letting me down every single time. and i was playing as a mage and felt like the only sane one.

>>716184740
Merrill is cute though

>>716184869
well i say to that outrageous statement: ... yeah.

>>716184740
But templars are LITERALLY nazis

>>716184869
God dammit I need to tickle the inside of Merrill's throat with my penis (real)

>>716184869
>>716185001
>>716186097
You guys do realize she's a blood mage right? She talks with demons. Plus, she's a knife ear

>>716186454
I can fix her with the power of sperm in uterus

>pick mage
>side with templars at every opportunity
>call anders a retard at every opportunity
>kill every mage I come across (including Anders when I execute him)
I am Andraste's strongest soldier

>>716186454
>You guys do realize she's a blood mage right
Like 90% of the mages you meet in this series are blood mages, that ain't special.

>>716182253
Not really. The only good mage outside of Mage Hawke is his sister Bethany. The Templars methods are also trash to be fair, but mages pretty consistently fuck things up.

>>716183789
Rival Merril romance where you call her a retard, redeem her with the power of human cock, and turn her into your sweet weirdo housewife is the best romance

>>716188059
I never understood rivalry romances.
>I fucking hate your guts and I want you to die, I might just do it myself.
>Same to you pal, I can't wait to see you bleed to death!
>*panties hit the ground seconds later*

>>716181847 (OP)
BioWare was so embarrassed for making the Templars accidentally right that they don’t even get mentioned anymore in Veilguard era canon and neither does the Chantry or Circles.

>>716182253
Hawke is supposed to be a mage. Also even he uses blood magic in the trailers lol

>>716184556
How does one reverse a lobotomy?

>>716187092
Based upholder of the faith

>>716184740
This just cemented that they were cowards and didn't want to make any of the two sides more correct than the other, so just made it so no matter who you side with you still fight the same last bosses.

>>716181847 (OP)
It was dumb that they made each side retarded but the game clearly made mages look way worse, the mages being unhinged was totally in character.
>merideth: see the mages are unhinged! I was right!
>*goes batshit crazy and turns on you for helping her*
>orsino: the templars are unhinged, we don't deserve to die because of one extremist!
>actually they were right all along, now I'm gonna turn into a blob monster and turn on you for helping me, also I was good friends with the psycho who killed your mom btw

>>716188374
>Veilguard era canon and neither does the Chantry or Circles.
Its a proxy for tradition and patriarchy in their eyes so they wouldve removed it regardless.

>>716181847 (OP)
The templars under her was already on the extremist end. Like they antagonize the mages first. Tell me, how does tranquil mages for profit and sexual abuse circle mage help anyone?

>>716181847 (OP)
I wish it had ended with the templars being right, it would have been ten times more interesting than the 'both sides are incredibly retarded and attack you even if you sided with them' ending we actually got.

>>716181847 (OP)
>heroes on both sides; evil is everywhere
>…and some I assume are good people
>…something something some very fine people

I want to give Merrill a Red Lyrium butt plug

>>716190052
The point of the story is that everyone in the city let tension raised to the point that no one is right anymore. The templars became extremists which cause the mages to turn to blood magic while the Chantry did nothing to soften the tension.

>>716188374
Bioware has this problem in their stories where every single controversial issue starts out ambiguous but then they decide one side was actually completely right and the other is evil.

>>716184869
all is forgiven. Does she even do anything wrong really?

>>716190806
Summons demons and gets her tribe killed because of it

>>716190716
I mean, they made Jacob.
Obviously their was some deep coded racism in their minds but didn't believe it themselves.

bethany's large breasts

>>716181847 (OP)
Magically gifted people are literally superior people, normalfags are cattle that should serve their betters

>>716190857
>Kills a bunch of knife ears
Based

Really blood magic isn't the problem as long as the mage only use their own blood. The problem is blood magic is banned so the only source to learn it is either other blood mages or from demon

>>716190890
The problem is inevitably mages start thinking
>I use blood for magic
>I must do big magic
>Now where can i find lots of blood...?

>>716190884
Wizardry is literally the gayest thing ever though? Just, like, learn crafts and skills. Get a job, till the soil for the local farmer for honest gold and then use that to buy a sensible and practical iron sword to go adventuring with. Learn to make and use poultices and herbal remedies (not potions because those are gay)

>>716188374
DA:TV is fanfiction tier.
The writers aren't even previous Dragon Age writers come to think of it. Any jackass here could write a DA story and it would be just as canon as what they threw away 300 mil for.

>>716190960
Most mages don't go that far for no reason. That example only work in Tevinter because their entire political system revolve around who's the stronger mage. And technically, every mages are blood mages because they use lyrium and lyrium is Titan's blood

>>716190294
>Except for the Apostates who should be condemned totally.

>>716190890
Why didn't Blood Mages just use water?

>>716190878
mods to permanently keep bethany's large breasts

>>716191313
Surprised it hasn’t been banned off nexus

>>716190976
"Learn the crafts" says thou, an illiterate paesant rapscallion.

>>716191165
yeah right

>>716190890
Blood magic makes contracts with demons. It is inherently dangerous

>>716182253
Bioware constantly fucked up the mage templar debate by always having mages validate everything wrong said about them, every time. Bethany and Dorian are the only good mages, all the others are awful and dangerous. Dorian is a fucking Tevinter and has stronger morals and convictions than any mage you meet before him. In a country where blood magic isn't even taboo, he refuses it on moral principles, he rejects demons, everyone else gives in immediately. Then in Veilguard everyone besides the Warden is some kind of mage

>>716188491
Hawke is also cousins through his mother's side with a Human Mage Gray Warden.

>>716191450
Except bioware said in inquisition that demons dindu nuffin and are good.

>>716183314
>schizophrenic mass murderer
but thats the good part
shame about the rest though.
Justice was an interesting character, and Awakening was infinitely better than 2 and Inquisition despite it's length.

>>716191545
They're evil by definition since they're evil spirits
If they weren't evil we'd just call them spirits

>>716184740
I fucking hate what DA2 did to Anders, he was cunning, cowardly, arrogant, and lazy in Awakening, he had a cat he cared for, he was bisexual because there's not much things to fuck in the tower so beggers can't be choosers. He seemed like he was about to bail the entire time. Then you get aggressive, gay, controlling Anders in DA2 and it just feels wrong

>>716191545
That's one more reason Inquisition sucks.

The female companions in DA:2 were intentionally made to make your progression slower. I can't help but stop every few minutes to look and goon to either Fem Hawke, Bethany (sis), Isabela, or Merill.

>>716190890
You only think that because they use blood magic to control your mind.

>>716191665
Most cultures have a specific subsection of things they "deem" evil on top of actually malicious actions though. And what that culture "deems" evil isn't always actually evil fundamentally.

>>716191545
No, in Inquisition it's said that demon and spirits are 2 sides of the same coin and the one saying it (Solas) is showed to has a very bias view on Fade related stuffs.

>>716191870
Solas is supposed to be right about everything

>>716191925
and why wouldn't he be? Elves are the begin and end of everything in Dragon Age.

>>716191487
First enchanter Erwin and Wynne in DAO are pretty nice mages. Ander lost his shit due to Justice becoming unstable. Hawke dad sound like a pretty cool dude.

>>716191675
also ruined justice. he was my favorite party member in origins.

>>716191925
No, his entire arc in DAI is that he isn't right about everything. He caused the event in the game because he was wrong about Cory, and if you bond with him, it challenge his view about whether or not tearing the Veil is right or not. There's also Cole loyalty mission which also show how bias he is toward the spirit side of the world.

>>716192035
no, Anders ruined Justice not the other way around

>>716192137
From what I heard, Justice was originally planned to be inhabiting the body of the elf mage companion in Awakening but that would make them to put 2 elvens mages in your party so they switched to Ander. Still, it make sense that spirit who only understand 1 kind of emotion can't comprehend other emotions and get corrupt by them.

>>716182010
Mages are actually something like White people.
>Mage Empire ruled the world and is now seen as le bad
>Mages are controlled and corralled with (re)education programs
>Mages that go rogue cause world shattering events (Hitler, Napoleon, Alexander)
>Mages are proto-typically intelligent high functioning autists
>torpedoed by a secretive clique using religion as a bludgeon

>>716192939
terrible analogy since there were never nations composed of nothing but mages

>>716194434
>>716192939
its always a bad analogy because mages aren't like blacks or whites or whatever. They are a fictional race with a social standing relevant to their fictional world. Just because you can see some reflection of real life in some aspects of the story doesn't make it a statement on real life. It doesn't make them a a mouthpiece for propaganda either because they are MAGIC and their situation is both unique and fictional.
That is what the nu-writers can not comprehend.

>>716195529
Oh, and the new fans too of course. Fucking retard, largest-common-denominator, shortbus riding faggots.

>>716195529
i 100% think it was intentional for templars to be this like police brutality kind of metaphor

>>716195862
If that was the case, there would have been a time where the Templars were wrong in the real DA games.