What went wrong?

Valve.

>>716185523 (OP)
Modern valve is just terrible at making games.

>>716185523 (OP)
Too much focus on balance autism not enough actual content.

>>716185523 (OP)
nothing. they just need to finish cooking.

>>716185523 (OP)
Too complicated for shooterfags
Too shooter for dotafags

>>716185523 (OP)
third person is shit, make a first person dota you fucking cowards

valve is shit
mobas are shit

>>716185523 (OP)
Who in their right mind wants a new moba in 2025?

>>716185523 (OP)
>voice chat in MOBAGE
JESUS FUCK I HATE THIS, and many other decisions they made like having everything be ranked.

>Take Overwatch
>Remove cutebitches
>Add Dota2 autism
Geez! I wonder why it flopped!

>>716185523 (OP)
Valve never put it into open beta for some reason.
I guess they want to wait until the graphics are updated but since it's Valve of course they're doing it as slowly as possible.

>>716185896
copium

>>716185523 (OP)
There's nothing fun about having to unload 50 bullets in a guy to kill him, and having to memorize and keep up with the meta so that you don't get stomped by invincible players in the late game. This game made everyone in my squad miserable

can't stop winning

>>716185523 (OP)
It's a nothing game. Forgettable art style, forgettable characters. I don't want to use the word soulless, as I'm sure SOMEONE was passionate about it at one point, but it's got nothing going for it. If gameplay was the only thing that mattered, Baba Is You wouldn't be what it is. Charm. Atmosphere. Deadlock has neither of these.

Movement system is the highlight of the game but the shooting is just so-so and the MOBA aspects overwhelmingly overpower the other parts of the game in negative ways. Too niche and will go the way of all the other MOBA shooters, the audience for this overlapping of genres just isn't very big.

>>716187550
MOBAs don't connect with me at all and Deadlock has shown me it's entirely the base way you interact with the game that I didn't like about MOBAs. I would think Deadlock has all the potential in the world so it's interesting to see just how much the player count has cratered, so quickly. The game sucks atm due to the low player count forcing low level players to play with higher levels players, and smurfs are also rampant. I also just seem to be noticeably worse after the change to 3 lanes. Also the current incarnation of the soul securing mechanic is probably the worst since it purely tests your ability to shoot at the right time (which varies depending on your character, and I like to mix it up) rather than your reaction time, like every other incarnation before. I'm also shooting multiple bullets into the same orb on some characters to ensure I get it, which I never used to do, which obviously just feels shitty.

I'm eagerly awaiting the upcoming 'big patch'. I honestly have no idea what to expect for success of the game come release, assuming it ever does (it's Valve after all).

>>716187550
How do you think the game would be if instead of it being a Moba with shooting mechanics it was more of a shooter with moba mechanics?

Teambased objectives like other shooters and less emphasis on farming and midboss. Shorter respawn times and more focus on fights for objectives

>>716185523 (OP)
the worst videogame genre is unfixable, they should just do a roguelike or something with the gameplay from deadlock

>>716187320
>my squad
cringe

>hero team based slop in 2025

>>716185523 (OP)
I can't believe they're openly working with civil rights felons like sweet baby for something so far removed from the real world. Shows how rotten the devs are.

>wot if we took DOTA autistic farming+itemization and anti-snowball mechanics but shoved them into a half-baked TPS hero-shooter game so you have to sit through 60 minute long snoozefest farming simulator shooting matches
NOBODY WANTS TO BE STUCK IN A FUCKING HOUR LONG MATCH FOR ANY GAME EXCEPT THE MOST MENTALLY ILL SWEATLORDS, FOR SHOOTERS LEAST OF ALL

>>716185523 (OP)
I don't think anything went wrong, deadlock is a pretty neat game, but I don't think this is a genre people can easily latch onto. Those that play it now will keep it alive with dedication.

>>716185523 (OP)
Smite 2 beat Valve to the punch of having a third person MOBA.

>>716187941
Ooof on spending 800 hours thinking it would get good, but never did.

>>716185523 (OP)
Not enough Ivy skins.

>>716185523 (OP)
it's a game for unemployed autists and nobody else

>>716188971
Was this gym designed by a faggot or a woman?

>>716185523 (OP)
trying to make a new ip that doesnt involve staple valve games

>>716187961
>business suit leotard
UNF!

>>716185523 (OP)
>What went wrong?
I have confidence in the art pass and 1.0 release. Let them cook.
Also it needs custom games/server browser, which I expect eventually anyway.

>>716185523 (OP)
They mixed two genres that are inherently incompatible with each other.

>Deadlock at first
>convoluted item shop
>Deadlock after shop rework
>even more convoluted
The entire item shop needs to be scrapped
>stats
>stats
>passives that are stats
>stats
>active item
>stats

>>716186039
third person plays a lot better for a game with full 3D mobility and abilities that you need to be aware of

>>716190596
the game needs to be reworked in the trash where it belongs

>>716185523 (OP)
One of the big reasons Monday Night Combait died was because turns out last hitting/denying in a 3rd person shooter is fucking gay as fuck.
Item system was also a convoluted mess.
Actual gunplay was ok but has a lot of "what the fuck hit me?" stuff that happens.

>>716185639
SO TRUE AND REAL

>>716190417
TF2's freaky fair map (MvM upgrades available in PvP) was really fun last year. Icefrog just dug way too deep into the MOBA aspects.

I just don't think humans are intelligent enough to enjoy it, I certainly aren't

even the pro players are like, wtf is going on, most of the time

>>716190949
Monday Night Combat didn't fail, it was a small-scale indie XBLA game. It also didn't have last hitting or denying.

I had fun stomping noobs with the Samurai lady before the game started matching me with players that were good at denying and all my fun instantly evaporated. I haven't even thought about looking back because I know denys are a core part of their game.

>>716191310
they gave last hitter like a 1.5s grace period over the denier, it's very easy now

>>716185523 (OP)
>came out too early unpolished and unfinished
>lame character designs (not enough gooner bait)
>no trailers to help get to know the characters and lore like TF2 did

>>716191360
Okay that was my biggest gripe so I'll be reinstalling tonight. Glad I came to this thread to complain.

>>716191509
>game hasn't even been announced yet
>roster isn't even half finished
>game hasn't even been announced yet

>>716190596
>Tons of random items that boost 1.2% movement speed when affected by the north wind's taint hair
You'd think they'd just have trees to boost whatever item bought instead of having to micromanage them

>>716191756
>one basic movement speed item
>icon is a boot
>upgrade tree is highlighted when you have the item purchased or selected
hmm

>>716185523 (OP)
They nerfed my wife and then cuteified her
Other than that, nothing I suppose

>>716190759
3rd person makes you less aware because seeing your character males you feel like you have a greater FoV than you actually do and as such you're looking around less.

>>716192123
No, that's retarded.

>>716192123
3rd person makes you more aware because you can see status effects applied to your character as well as if you are standing in any AoEs.

>>716185523 (OP)
Who was this even made for
>We want the hyper competitive shooter and moba players
Their target audience is literally the rare 0.00001percentile type of gamer that's good at both genres. I can't believe I'm saying this but Valve needs dumb this game down.

>>716190389
>I have confidence in the art pass
This
The bits they've already updated look nice

>>716192115
when will they stop fucking nerfing her

>>716191976
Also
>a sword and a crown
>a ball and chain
>a fly
>the moon
>someone dropping a gun
>ect.
hmmm... Yes, I see. I see!

>>716193515
she's op as fuck even after all the nerfs stop crying you can't play her as gun anymore you will never be a woman.

>>716187941
>shoot at the right time
how is that different than last hitting? what exactly changed.

>>716193515
When they've got tether down to 15% sharing, flight up to 3 min cooldown, and bullet damage growth down to 0.00015%... maybe then, maybe

>>716191976
This after the overhaul? I remember it looking like absolute dogshit in the first alpha.

3 lanes

>>716191509
>not enough gooner bait
this will be all the nails in the coffin, amazing that no devs realize it.

>>716187550
I dropped it because of the movement. Catching someone out of position just to have them dashdashdashslidewalljumpairdash every fight was lame. In Dota if you catch someone out of position, they die, or they use their single positioning item/specific ability, they don't just have a get out of jail free card

>>716193684
>searching for sprint
Midwit problem, idorts will use a build guide and experienced players will know what situations an item should be purchased. No one is buying heroic aura, mystic slow, or disarming hex for the passive sprint speed. Sharpshooter even makes you slower.
The game would not be better if it removed sprint speed as a secondary effect from other items. Buy the boots to go fast, buy the glowy items to upgrade the go fast.

>>716185523 (OP)
Way too many items and way too much power scaling, and then hideous character designs/dei characters

>>716194139
>blinks before you land your spell
>jukes your spell
>bkb+teleport

>>716194141

>>716185523 (OP)
Nothing lol /v/ just get filtered by any game that requires you to use your brain like dota so last people you should be asking

>>716194517
>hmm I want to go fast
>I'll search speed
>should I buy the item called "long range" with a picture of the moon getting shot
>or the item called "enduring speed" with the guy running that upgrades from my boots

>>716185523 (OP)
They wanted to do Dota for a third time after Artifact failed twice, and are unable to take a hint that mobas and esports shit is dying.

>>716193794
yeah, item overhaul was two months ago
rest of game is still waiting to get that level of polish

They gave up on it about 5 months ago, moved on to half life 3, pretty sure we will never see another update

>>716195052
Deadlock started development in 2018 thoughbeit

>>716194717
>play TF2 instead
>hmm I want to go fast
>pick scout
>don't upgrade anything

>>716194717
I'm glad you agree with me. They really do need to change this shit.

>>716194613
this thread is proof enough
>multiple posts of people saying they don't want to read and just want to hold W toward the red healthbars

>>716195160
They filed for a new trademark last week.

>>716195257
damn it's almost like they're different games

>>716195257
>want to go fast
>sprint to my car instead of run
checkmate, atheist.

>>716195290
the icons and names make it obvious which items are speed based, and the raw movement speed items have an upgrade tree
you want to strip away all the choices so there's just the tree, but at that point you're better off playing a regular shooter instead of compromising to create battleborn again

>>716195297
Lol can't expect anything else from tf2 fans they don't like using their brain for much

>>716193684
>sprint
>movement
you don't even know the difference do you?
no wonder you think its a 2% increase when 2 MS is a 20% increase to your base speed

>Hear about new Valve game
>Fuck yeah that's sick
>Hear its from Icefrog
>Not interested
Many such cases. Sad!

Seriously though I don't know of a single fucking person who actually wanted this.

>>716193715
>she's op as fuck
you can dislike the character or the people that like her but you don't have to lie like this
she was a B- character that got nerfed into C tier unnecessarily

metafags ruined this game, it was best before niggers on twitch and youtube could spread cancer.

>>716185523 (OP)
The vast majority of people expected a MOBA fused with a shooter. Instead, it's just a MOBA made worse by shooter elements.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC-avN1eDoQ

>>716185523 (OP)
>turns out theres a secret beta that only influences are invited to
>this version actually gets real updates and is used in testing
>The public test just exists as a russian hacker honey pot
Grim

>>716195708
>the icons and names make it obvious which items are speed based
You just established that they don't.
> the raw movement speed items have an upgrade tree
They do, yes. Other stats like rate of fire, and spirit power also do.
>you want to strip away all the choices so there's just the tree
It's not removing choices, it's consolidating passive traits to a single item/whatever instead of having them split haphazardly across multiple different items.
Tell me why Mystic Slow really really needs a +1m/sec sprint speed boost and +50 max health. It doesn't. The whole system can be greatly simplified and keep the itemization options open.

>>716196403
explain i dropped this months ago

>>716185523 (OP)
Unironically probably the most difficult multiplayer game ever made. You do NOT mix Icefrog's autism with third person precision shooting and some of the craziest movement tech that puts most other games to shame.\

Super fun game but I don't see it ever becoming super popular again. Most players got in, realized they were in way over their head, then got out. Best case scenario it settles on a max consistent ~20k player count for the next few years.

>>716196634
>20k
fantasy land, maybe at release it will be down to 2k

>>716190596
The items aren't that complicated, just focus on investment
Want more health? Pick a green item (specific one doesn't matter)
Want more gun damage? Pick an orange item (specific one doesn't matter)
Want more ability damage? Pick a purple item (specific one doesn't matter)

>>716193515
>thicc plump Ivy
Source?

>>716193904
Marvel Rivals is an absolute shit tier mobile game yet it hit ~600k players and a consistent ~100k just selling goonbait. I wonder how many games and years of work will fall into the gutter before developers learn that adding attractive characters to your game is just a free way to garner interest.

>>716185523 (OP)
Third Person is for single player games.

>>716192123
1st person is just 3rd person but your weapon's barrel is your character.

dead game and incoming complete flop, they made it too autistic for people to enjoy playing with friends which is how these games thrive.

>>716185557
>>716185639
these two gentlemen are correct. The rest of the thread was unnecessary.

>>716185557
>>716185639
Thread could've ended here.

>>716197417
you dont have friends nigga

It's mobashit and once people realized they all quit. At best I can see a brief resurgence if it ever leaves beta (lol), but the game will die shortly after and continue to be mogged by Marvel Rivals.

>>716197925
projecting nigger

>>716196954
>cs has no women
>has been the top game on steam for 20 years
when will brainrotted coomers realize they're out of touch?

>>716198008
This game is going to be another project from valve that dies unless they add an entire new mode that is fun for normal people to play.

Mobas are still born genre noq no one new is coming to them and people on their game of choice will stay there. This game will only survive if they release a new mode that massively tones down the moba parts and a ranked version of the new mode. even then the ship may already be sinking and it's too late.

>>716198152
>>cs has no women
>He doesn't know

I don't have energy/patience to play another moba
One is already too much

Is Valve actually making Half-Life 3?

I'm having fun riding the patches. Seven needs to be nerfed and Magician poly definitely needs to be tweaked.

>>716195160
Lol. Lmao, even.

>>716198424
I keep telling myself I should try to get back into League but I just can't find the time. Despite the fact I spend most of my days just having minor panic attacks.

>>716187342
Tbf Concord already dangled from a rope in the closet when he came knocking

Ugly characters, doesn't have Overwatch/Marvel Rivals TTK, Ugly Aesthetics in general, lotta ugly period actually.

>>716187550
one (1) cool character design

>>716185523 (OP)
it's not fun

>>716199056
Nah there's some good ones in there.

Haze would be up there too if she actually looked like her concept art with the smoke head instead of the retarded bun.

MOBAs are a bad genre, so bad that only 2 games are able to survive in the space and maintain an audience. That audience is dwindling as well. Ive been saying over and over nobody wants to play a 5v5 45 minute game with random people you don't know and when 1 guy sucks in his lane your whole team basically loses. It's not fun, it was never fun and the numbers speak for themselves. DOTA2 is only popular because of poor sunk cost fallacy Russians. Without them the game would be dead.

>>716185523 (OP)
Nobody asked for it, and it's garbage.

>>716185639
People dont know they INSTANTLY bought the firewatch team after they launched that dogshit game.This might have been the first truly woke devs in the industry, and ever since then valves art and storytelling has been complete dogshit. Just listen to the dialogue in half life alyx, it never takes itself serious for a second. Constant millennial quips and sarcasm worse than any modern disney slop. I love old valve and will always cherish those games, but some of you need to recognize how shit they are now.

>>716199318
If they made the matches last 20 minutes MAX i would return to deadlock

>>716199318
your whole team doesnt lose off of one guy losing his lane lol like most of the people that talk about this genre has no clue or just played it for 5 hours and called it a day just say you dont have the brain to play it and move

>>716185523 (OP)
Youtubers and Russians.
>youtuber streams super secret valve game to discord friends
>discord friend uploads clip to internet
>valve has to open up a closed alpha playtest to people
>stupidly decide the alpha period should not be time limitted
>spreads like wildfire
>absolutely no quality control
>people do not treat it as a playtest
>steam discussions become absolutely unusable being flooded with threads in all languages advertising invites to the playtest
>open up their own forum for actual feedback
>small period where developers actually listen to feedback, adding a bunch of community requested items and mechanics
>quickly overran by autists perfecting everything and developping metas
>and cheaters
>forum becomes overran by balance bitching
>development time is diverted away from actually adding stuff to the game to appease those obssessed with competitive
>create a bandaid fix competitive queue
>as well as an emergency anti-cheat
>and a barebones lobby system that still doesn't let you select a map even while the community is creating their own custom ones
>forums remain unusable filled with russians whining about bans and balance
>development is getting nowhere addressing all the demands
>create a second super super secret closed alpha with all the experimental shit
>THAT leaks onto the internet
>now the main branch just gets sloppy seconds
Pandora's Box was opened and it cannot be closed again. What began as a playtest lost all integrity by people taking it way too seriously.
The invite only alpha test should have only been for a couple weeks. Not a full year.
I can only hope their super duper secret branch is actually getting somewhere. Just give me an aram mode and the game will live forever in my eyes.

>>716199375
I've heard that matches actually last that short on high mmr or pro games, but in low mmr people have no idea what to do and they last 40 minutes to an hour

over 90% of players have left since last summer and there have been no actual changes to the game despite it being a "pre-alpha playtest". visually the game has changed and there is a new map but it plays exactly the same. the devs are either so retarded they don't understand why 130k+ people lost interest or they don't care if the game dies before it even gets to beta. the game could be a lot of fun, but every patch they take more and more of the fun out. valve can't make games anymore it seems.

>>716200741
They chose to have ranked queue and competitive medals in their """playtest""" instead of telling retards on forums to stfu

>>716185523 (OP)
Despite its artstyle and cosmetic improvements it just feels like a shittier Dota 3 with third person shooter mechanics lazily bolted on. Remove the slide infinite ammo mechanic and the shitty hitreg and it could be salvageable.

>>716200741
>youtuber streams super secret valve game to discord friends
based uncle dane for shooting this game in the foot
have valve go back to tf2

>>716201806
tf2 fans are sick lol

>>716185523 (OP)
Too many characters, and too many of them were some tranny shit
That said I actually haven't played it but the descriptions in here sounds awful