Thread 716188171

This team wants to make a banjo kazooie game so fucking bad

>>716188171 (OP)
Banjo was never good

>>716188171 (OP)
And if they did, it would be the first good Banjo game.

>>716188218
Kazooie, Chunky, Lanky, Tiny, Diddy had more abilities than Pauline. Prove me wrong.

>>716188171 (OP)
I will thank Pete that it never happens.

>>716188428
They already tried to make a kazooie-esque side kick with pauline, and failed to make her engaging, unless you're the father of a toddler who's somehow desensitized to loud slot machine noises.

>>716189513
Bananza forms are also just banjo kazooie type transformations if you could activate them on the fly and dk being redesigned to be less serious looking and have pants feels like they’re trying to make him into banjo

>>716190116
imo donkey kong's design changing lets him explore a lot more environments and scenarios without being at odds with them, able to do more with him or do more, "family friendly" i guess, things with him than the more teenager oriented stuff his previous design was geared towards

>>716188171 (OP)
EAD Tokyo is Nintendo's best studio.

>>716188218
Obsessed

>>716190116
More like mumbo's transformations that you can do on the fly. Makes it more like marvel/dc power fantasy geared towards zoomers/alphas rather than 3d platformer with 3d metroidvania elements.

>>716190776
>"we have banjo at home"
>banjo at home
Lol.

>>716188171 (OP)
The Banjo team doesn't even know how to make a Banjo-Kazooie game

>>716188218
Yeah. It was great. I don't give a shit why you disagree.
You could even be objectively correct.
I just don't care lol

>>716188171 (OP)
Nintendo were such massive retards for not acquiring Rare around 1998-2001 when they had the chance.

We’d be having Banjo Threeie on GC, Banjo in Smash as early as Brawl and that Odyssey/Bananza styled game by now.

>>716190705
That’s what I meant

>>716188171 (OP)
Have nintendo make the game and have the old rare writers write the dialog

>>716188171 (OP)
Odyssey had a lot of probems as a collectathon.
Bowsers Fury was a step up.
TK bananza was a fall and tumble off a cliff. it's not even really a collecthaon.

>>716192591
Wasn't really the same team. The main holdovers from that time are some key artists/music and the lead programmer (who's also the director of YL). Basically none of the BK design team joined (including the game director who was working on Sea of Thieves at the time). And most of the YL design team was carried over from the Viva Piñata and Nuts & Bolts era of Rare.

>>716192713
>We’d be having Banjo Threeie on GC
Rare never wanted to make it

Banjo is an okay game that N64fags really overrated. The best part of the game is all the funny character interactions.

>>716195273
>was a fall and tumble off a cliff
Wrong.

>>716195273
How is it not a collectathon? The challenges and Bananas in DKB are more reminiscent of old school N64 collectathons than Odyssey's "just go ground pound in this rock formation on a random hill bro" moons

>>716195778
Nintendo would’ve forced them to, they saw Banjo as a valuable IP at the time.

If not Rare then outsource Threeie to a different studio.

>>716196042
it's an ARPG.
You don't need to collect any bananas. they're worthless EXP.
You can just skip everything and make a B-line to the end.

There is no central collectable woven into the level progression, so it doesn't qualify.
It's more like the gold bolts in ratchet and clank, a collectable sure. but the game is not a collectathon.

A Banjo Kazooie game without British humour will just be soulless garbage. Only the Brits can make a proper Banjo game.

>>716196141
>Nintendo would’ve forced them to, they saw Banjo as a valuable IP at the time.
You wanna know what happens when valuable people are forced to make games they don't want to make?
They leave
>If not Rare then outsource Threeie to a different studio.
Isn't always a good thing
You want Arzest Banjo Kazooie?

>>716190464
EPD you mean, EAD doesn't technically exist anymore

i'd love to see nintendo tackle a banjo 3 if they were given the chance.

>>716196412
They would make the moment to moment gameplay actually fun.

You think if Microsoft approached Nintendo or vice-versa over the rights to Banjo-Kazooie it'd end up being a package deal for Rare's IP catalog?
Pic related

>>716188218
Get the fuck out

Nintendo can't do Gruntilda justice

>>716196278
The game having action doesn't disclude it from being a collectathon. You can attack with Kazooie too in Banjo and that doesn't make it not a collectathon.

The point about the game not being a collectathon because the bananas aren't technically required is just dumb. By that logic the game would be a linear story based game since that's all that is required to complete it. The core gameplay loop is predicated on collecting the bananas, regardless of them being required or not. No human is going to play through this game without collecting shit

>>716188171 (OP)
Banaza is the closest of Banjo game we'll ever get in our life time.
Transformations, the Ostrich is basically Kazooie with shit flight and bomb-eggs.
I don't see how BK would make it better

>>716196881
No. by your logic any game with collectables would be a collectathon.
What a makes a game a collectathon is the distinction of collectables being the central point of progression.
in sonic players are all but guaranteed to collect a few emblems.. it's still not a collectathon.

>>716195778
You dont think they could have retooled nuts and bolts as a 3d plat?

>>716197403
>You dont think they could have retooled nuts and bolts as a 3d plat?
It began as a remake with some few twists, than it became a game where Gruntilda competed against Banjo when collecting, and THEN it became a car game

>>716196317
Does it really though? What kind of British humor is so essential to Banjo Kazooie that American or Japanese humor can’t replicate?

>>716197682
Just the style of writing.
-Americans devs tend to be really dumb and trashy but there's a game called corn Kidz 64 and all the humour and dialogue is fucking spot on to rares style.. I think that devs American.

-Most Japanse devs are socially retarded autistics on the bottom of the social ladder who lack the social intelligence to even write dialogue, let alone humor. so they couldn't do it.

>>716197682
The kind of cynicism and crassness years of dealing with Thatcher could only bring

Could he beat Bananza DK and King of Rot K.Rool?

>>716197261
Odyssey already had transformations, Cappy transformed you into enemies.

>>716188171 (OP)
This was my argument way back in 2017 as to why Odyssey is a bad fucking Mario games.
Mario games, 2D, 3D, no matter, are always about reaching a goal, the "collectibles" in 64, Sunshine and Galaxy are just glorified level-clear markers, no different than goalposts, but moons in Odyssey are like Banjo/DK64 collectibles, you just get them by the truckload for doing stupid mundane things.

>>716196317
I really hope toys for bob don't get it with their cringe millennial writing

>>716198505
Sunshine was a collect-a-thon with a million blue coins.

>>716197682
Kazooie? Japan doesn't do sarcasm.

>>716198765
Not required to finish the game, I actually never bothered collecting them before the Switch version, despite owning the game on GameCube, but yes, they're close to a crappy Banjo-style collectable, thankfully it's not the case with Shine Sprites, those are mechanically identical to stars in 64 and Galaxy.

>>716188967
Who's Pete?

What's so good about tranjo kapooey anyway?

>>716197682
The humor is all British banter, slang and innuendos. Japanese Grunty doesn't even rhyme, she drags her words like a ssssssnaaaaakeeee.

>>716188218
Kazooie is the best collectathon and nothing really comes close

>>716199648
kazooie might be my favorite 3D platformer ever made. I really enjoyed bananzo though

>/v/ is suddenly talking about gameplay
okay, what are they sliding?

>>716190924
I want the remake to be good. But how do you even compete with Nintendo EPD 8? The bar is so high now.

>>716188218
This

>>716199171
ligma ass

>>716198207
If he had Pauline. DK couldn't beat K.Rool in Bananza without her singing power.

>>716188171 (OP)
I want a new Banjo Kazooie game and we get to fight Gruntilda in her 'sexy' form as the true final boss fight. Please make it happen.

>>716202278
And at the end Banjo rapes her. Would be kino.

>>716202635
id rape her so banjo doesnt have to get his image dirty.

>>716188218
FPBP

>>716196317
Can you write a Banjo-Kazooie joke with British, American, and Japanese humor in mind to show the class the difference?

>>716190705
Having to go to a specific place and back to transform was fine in Kazooie due to the limited size of the levels. It was horseshit in Tooie when they turned the levels gigantic and it wouldn't work in Bananza either.

>>716200261
You can't, but the remake DOES look like they're at least fixing huge amounts of what I hated about it. Now, is there anything at all that can actually be done to make Capital Cashino not the biggest emptiest pile of shit in any collectathon ever? Only time will tell.

>>716206156
Honestly it did lead to some cool "but how do I get here as this character?" kind of puzzles, but it could have been more streamlined. Like just let me change characters AT the teleporter.

Nuts and Bolts was good.

>>716197682
>>716197456
>>716197403
Nuts and Bolts was a good game.

>>716199403
>>716197682
>>716197985
Something not mentioned and I want to heavily pound it out. Sound design, the constant grunts and other noises made for the characters is something specifically British in its style.

>>716206240
Too bad the demo looked and ran like fucking shit. Don't got any hopes for it.

>>716190924
Banjo at home cant exist today in nearly the same way because there isn't a singular dev that could utilize sound effects in the same sovlful way rare did at that time.

Especially not rare today.

>>716198505
It didn't bother me. Though some of the disparity between difficulty of jiggies in Tooie is ridiculously funny. Kazooie (the character) lampshades it sometimes by asking if they can have a second jiggy because of how much shit they had to do. Like compare "help the styracosaurus family", which requires steps to be taken in 3+ other worlds, multiple character switches, and several point-and-click-like "aha" moments. And then for others it's practically handed to you as easily as the "bench moon" in Odyssey.

>>716199403
>Japanese Grunty doesn't even rhyme
Yeah cause the language doesn't really allow for it.

>>716197985
Corn Kidz is fantastic although the writing vibe is even more impeccably "early 2000s webcomic". I also didn't realize until after I beat it that it was the same dev as Lyle in Cube Sector, he just didn't really put out much since then. I hope it gets a sequel because it's basically like "everything I liked about Rare games with none of the bullshit I hated".

>>716197456
>It began as a remake with some few twists
>tfw no Banjo X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa3Z9JHxRM4

>>716208615
Look, I can defend Rare for many things involving Nuts & Bolts
I can defend their embrace for change and not wanting to retread familiar ground and I can respect creative freedom
But man was the redesign not a good call
Humba cute though

>>716188171 (OP)
BK is a mediocre game carried by quirky dialogues and uehuhgogogosbb audio

>Rare's social media was active, held weekly fan art showcases, etc
>After the layoffs it went radio silent aside from retweeting Sea of Thieves stuff from their account

>>716208846
I don't totally disagree but man a remake of B-K where things slowly start to turn into something new just sounds so fucking cool to me. I say this as a N&B enjoyer.
>Humba cute though
Trve, so trve

>>716197682
just the way characters come across, its all very subtle, if you read the dialogue over and over enough times you will notice it's not written how an american might speak

>>716206240
>unity
>playtonic has already been through a round of layoffs
I don't think there's any real chance it's quality, their whole studio is just off anyway, how da fuck did they slap together Yooka Laylee in 2 years after the kickstarter then kick out a sequel 2 years later and then 6 years later, literally more than 2x the time for both of their previous games they at best have a remake that will most likely look and run like shit on the only platform people are interested in buying it on too.

>>716206392
The building was cool. Too bad the actual gameplay sucked.

>>716197272
Whether you're required to for progression isn't relevant. Sonic emblems are out of the way and have almost no gameplay purpose, as opposed to bananas, which give you additional skills. Saying that items that the game goes out of the way to incentivize you to collect makes it more like an ARPG is hilariously retarded, since the combat has nothing to do with the "XP" in this situation.

>>716199091
Most moons aren't required to finish the game and so you can treat them exactly like that if you want. Also, the idea that you're "reaching a goal" when you collect a star in SM64 but not when you collect a moon in odyssey makes no sense. It's the same fucking thing except they kick you out of the level and you have to spend 3 minutes walking back to wherever you were.

>>716206745
That one's great.

Though, I think the most complicated jiggy is the one regarding the piggies' pool which requires you to get to the end worlds before you're finally able to get it.

>>716210204
never forget George Ice Cube's noble sacrifice, or how Kazooie murdered Mildred in cold blood for a Jinjo....

>>716196317
>>716197682
Britfags drastically overstate just how "quintessentially British" Banjo-Kazooie's humor actually is/was. Plenty of it is just toilet humor, sexual innuendo and Kazooie being nasty and sarcastic, none of which exactly screams "You don't see that in America!" You've still got Britishisms like Banjo saying "Cor" in there and my headcanon voice for Kazooie is absolutely a cynical Yorkshire slag (Banjo should sound like a good ol' southern boi) but those things weren't exactly essential to its success.
Hell; Ratchet & Clank from around the same time was written by SCHEWPID AMERICANS, also has cynical humor with two characters with contrasting demeanors and I'd have to say it blows BK out of the water comedy-wise.

>>716210752
Imagine the sound of kazooie giving birth

>>716188218
thrvke

but zoomers who watched video essays on Banjo Kazooie will disagree

>>716188218
You're right. It wasn't good. It was great. Fantastic even. Fpbp /thread.

>>716188218
this desu

>>716210857
We don't need to "imagine."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IbZFoPck_iQ

>>716210971
Lmao no one needs to watch a video essay to get why Banjo-Kazooie of all games is a great game. It's just obviously fun. This is like calling DKC bad.

>>716188171 (OP)
thank god they don't have the ip

banjo was always better than mario

>>716190705
banjo tooie was already a metroidvania

>>716195889
>Banjo is an okay game that N64fags really overrated.
wrong. its the best n64 game, and its not even close

>>716209013
Huh, they just posted

>>716211464
>not by Treasure
>best anything
lmao, N64fags don't even know the few good games on this shitty console.

>>716211730
>2d garbage
nobody wants to play that shit bro

>>716188218
>play mario 64
>tons of speed and movement, can immediately see the appeal
>play banjo kazooie
>immediate see how much slower and clunky the movement is in comparison

>>716211908
you haven't unlocked talon trot yet tard

>>716192704
>>716211025
can't be great or fantastic if you were never good in the first place

>>716210516
Funniest shit.

>>716211947
Why would they make the fun something you have to unlock?

>>716211785
filtered furtroon

>>716212056
because bk started out as a rpg

>>716188428
I understand the banjo love is a little over the top from some people, but it’s a good game still to this day unless you don’t like the genre

>>716197682
I don't see the Nintendo writers matching the dry wit of the old games. They'll nail the base personalities ( Banjo is nice and dumb, Kazooie's a bitch and Gruntilda is a narcissistic slob) but the dialogue is going to feel different. Kazooie would be less a cockney slag and more of a loud brat I think.

>>716211954
Well good thing it was never not good in the first place then

>>716215157
>Bratty Kazooie
My dick can only get SO hard anon

>>716215358
>double negative
two wrongs don't make a right

>>716188218
Imagine believing this. The problem with Banjo Kazooie is that it is a game for children at its core. There are elements for teen / adults to enjoy, but the core gameplay mostly consists of wandering around a level and solving puzzles with contextual abilities. Yes, there are sections that I believe young children would have difficulty completing (ex: the final boss fights), but the majority of the experience should be easy for kids to enjoy.

If you want to compare the game to something, Banjo Kazooie is essentially a more focused, less braindead version of a Traveler's Tales LEGO game that is also pumped full of more charm than just about anything else on the market.

>>716219579
>charm
Never understood this hype about Banjo. Both games are full of potty humor, disgusting locations, and almost everyone (including one of the title characters) is a vile asshole. Unlike Ratchet & Clank, the games aren't smart enough to do anything with that, so it's just unpleasant for unpleasantness' sake.

>>716188171 (OP)
>They wanna lower their standards

Lmao

>>716219724
Charm is a subjective quality, so I can respect whatever opinion you have on the writing. The only comment I have is that charm extends to art direction and (especially in this case) sound design.

>>716188171 (OP)
I want them to make a sequel to Wario World

>>716210204
>Though, I think the most complicated jiggy is the one regarding the piggies' pool which requires you to get to the end worlds before you're finally able to get it.

Its incredible how many BT is bad actually haters are mind broken about this one.

I hate Nintendo so much.
All drones and paid journos are sucking them off trying to elevate Bananza to GOTY candidate.
It keeps happening every time.

>>716223458
I think it's just a pretty fun game.

>>716221789
Yeah, I thought it was actually pretty fun to do.

>>716210204
>piggies' pool

Don't remind me...I didn't figure out until post-game that the switch to turn off the sewage HAD to be activated with the shoulder charge. Same with the crushing machine in the mine.

>>716211156
Banjo does good work.

>>716226810
Based Skellyposter

>>716188218
Only problem with the game is the fact that notes don’t stay collected if you leave the area. This was fixed in the Xbox “remake” if I am remembering correctly.

>>716208846
I'm glad Sakurai stuck to the retro look.

>>716226948
I thought people liked how retardedly punishing the original Banjo-Kazooie was.

>>716208846
>>716227997
I could understand wanting to change the design which itself was a relic of the 90s Silicon Graphics era, I mean Nintendo themselves just did that with DK. The problem is that the redesign itself just sucked.

>>716228431
Eh, it's punishing in the wrong ways a lot of the time. The final boss is ridiculous too which became a recurring problem all the way through YL. I was glad to hear Gavin Price saying he's realized the "Dark Souls of collectathons" shit needs to stop because the final boss in YL was so unfun I just quit the game.

>>716228976
>I mean Nintendo themselves just did that with DK.

And DK's redesign looks like extreme shit too and is a huge drag on the game.

OH BANANA XDDD!!!

God it looks so fucking bad.

>>716219724
You're not wrong that Banjo's humor can be a bit grimy for no real payoff-it's definitely got that British gross-out vibe Rare liked to lean into back then. But I think that's kind of the point. It's a world full of weirdos and snarky NPCs, and yeah, Banjo and Kazooie aren’t exactly wholesome heroes. It’s less about being “pleasant” and more about turning fairy tale tropes on their heads. Ratchet & Clank tries to be slick satire, Banjo just wallows in its own filth with a goofy grin. Not for everyone, but it’s got a twisted charm if you're wired for it.

>>716232129
Sounds profoundly Jewish.

>EPD 8 makes a platformer with a Mario character that frequently introduces new mechanics that slowly escalate in complexity as they have for the last 20 years, enjoying critical acclaim and success
>Banjofags: how can I make this about me

>>716188171 (OP)
YOU want a Banjo-Kazooie game from them, not realizing they lack the DNA, formula and the understanding on what made BK/BT great in the first place.

>>716196317
The frog gets it.

>>716228431
I do, though I don't mind that you don't need to collect the notes again in the XBLA version or can use save states on the Switch version.

>>716190558
With?

If they did want to they would have, but they don’t. They gain nothing from making Banjo outside of maybe 100k copies sold

I feel like they want to capture what made Kameo good (Pokémon/God of War)

>>716188218
>t. Seething sonic fan.

>>716188171 (OP)
So, can someone give me an updated timeline of Mario and DK?

>>716233669
They can’t either way, Microsoft owns Banjo.

>Greg Mayles - uh, no one wants to play collectathon platformers where you can transform into different creatures anymore
>these two games come out...
Do you think he feels silly?

>>716196334
>You want Arzest Banjo Kazooie?
Superstars was pretty good so sure

>>716234670
Bet he felt real silly after Everwild got cancelled.
But seriously, how the fuck did he not see the potential in 3D platformers when robust physics systems were coming into popularity?

>>716234632
There's literally nothing stopping Microsoft making games aimed at the Nintendo audience, and releasing them cross platform, desu.
If they could get Rare to make a Diddy Kong Racing successor, and manage to make a better Mario Kart than Mario Kart again, AND release it on Switch 2, PC and Playstation, that would be a really good idea, wouldn't it?

>>716196317
The british humor was already starting to get cringe in Tooie
Then romhackers try to emulate that "british humor" in their games and it just makes me want to drop them on the spot

>>716234526
>Arcade Donkey Kong, Cranky Kidnaps Lady
>Yoshi's Island games, Babies (Timeline split between DS, New, and the 'unaltered' timeline)
>Partners in Time (Babies perspective)
>DKC games, by now everyone are teenagers
>Bananza, Pauline starts her singing career and goes on to be mayor
>Super Mario games, in his early 20s Mario stops Bowser
And once you get to the Super games, it's basically chronological/doesn't matter

>>716235150
Yeah, Americans can't do it.
It very specifically has to be British lads writing kids' game dialogue in this semi ironic way, where half of it is just disguised penis jokes, or strangely specific British cultural references.
I'll be honest, I don't know if Banjo even could exist now. It's such a 90's Britain kind of thing. Any corporate product is going to be so bland and sanitised, at this point.

>>716234858
Yeah but no one can make a kart racer to beat Mario Kart, if someone could they would have done it

>>716234670
>>716234819
The thing to keep in mind about Gregg Mayles and Rare is that the idea that Microsoft "forced them" to make N&B the way it turned out is really just fandom copium. It was all Rare's idea, something "new and creative". There's an interview with Mayles by Troon Sterling where Mayles talks about how the Banjo fandom will eventually come around and embrace N&B as brilliant and innovative.
Mayles has never stopped seething that that never happened. As such, he no longer wants to make bear and bird funni games.

>>716235934
CTR Nitro Fueled is still more fun

>>716236101
People say that but they also refuse to play it

>>716188171 (OP)
I do see some Banjo-like stuff, the Feast Layer is like the Luncheon Kingdom mixed with Witchyworld.

>>716235291
thanks

>/v/ is full of tendies and snoys in pissing matches
>when someone brings up banjokino, the retarded console warrers try to say "banjo was shit and never good actually", even tendies whom banjokino is made for
I hate this gay earth and I especially hate alphoomers who grew up with post-2012 slop and thought it was good and that everything before, especially the good shit that mogs nuslop, is garbage
(t. zoomer who was lucky enough to grow up with the DS and PS2 and not the switch or PS4)

>>716236162
I still play it pretty frequently but I don't play online because I don't care for online games that much

>>716236380
I love Banjo for what it was. We probably should just move on though. There are too many roadblocks to a third game manifesting, and being everything you would want it to be.
Having Nintendo make a new DK the way they did, is actually the best solution for everyone. Japanese developers just aren't really ever going to get Banjo quite right. Nintendo would never put a pub filled with sailors where everything is a thinly veiled gay reference into one of their games.

>>716199171
Pete-za hut.

>>716236380
32 year old boomer who actually grew up with the N64 here. Banjo Kazooie is great, Tooie is kinda crappy.

>>716236380
I love me some B&K, but the movement options leave a lot to be desired, especially when Mario 64 was a launch title at the time. DK 64 was just more stuff, while each Kong was tied to a moveset. It didn't feel bad, but Mario alone felt better to control while having powerups scattered for the appropriate challenge/puzzle.

How I feel about transformations not being tied to a collectable that you then have to run to an NPC, is that it's much less tedious. Same for Kong barrels.

Maybe this is just me being a schizo, but the fact that were getting almost daily banjo kazooie threads makes me think that something big is on the horizon....

>>716237969
That's your mom's ass

>>716211025
>>716211954
>fantastic
Say that again?

>>716237969
Anon, I hate to break it to you, but an unannounced Banjo game was just cancelled because of the MSFT layoffs. It's actually unironically over, we are NOT "so back"
Knowing nuRare, it probably would have been shit though

>>716237969
That’s a hopium overdose. Rare’s been gutted. Microsoft doesn’t want to make new games anymore. It’s completely fucking over. Just play Bananza and be happy. If that’s not Banjo enough for you, pray that Playtonic can turn Yooka-Laylee around. You will never see a new Banjo game, unless it’s an AI hallucination in the upcoming slopocalypse.

>>716238041
>>716238520
>>716238750
I don't know, you guys... Call me crazy.... But I think something big is in the works

>>716239750
>But I think something big is in the works
It was, now it's not.
https://www.thegamer.com/banjo-kazooie-game-reportedly-shelved-xbox/

>>716239750
>BRAAAAAAP

>>716232779
>YOU want a Banjo-Kazooie game from them, not realizing they lack the DNA, formula and the understanding on what made BK/BT great in the first place.
Bananza is like the closest game to BK since BK itself. More so than either of Yooka Laylee or Tooie even.

>>716226948
Does that mean you just have to collect every note on your first run through an area?
Most of my playtime for the game was XBLA

Both Banjo-Kazooie and Tooie are masterpieces and people don't know what the fuck they're talking about when they crit Tooie. Play the Switch version, it's an incredible game and Bananza came real close to it at some points.

>>716239814
Why is Xbox eating shit so hard lately?

>>716239814
Thank god, not because I hate Banjo, but Xbox is genuinely terrible. I hope these retards drop out of games completely soon.

Comparison is the thief of joy, but like

Maybe it's better this way, a new B&K by modern Rare wouldn't be half as good as Bananza or Odyssey are.

>>716236031
I wonder if he's going to go work on Twoka Laylee now.

>>716237037
Tooie takes a long time to warm up but it gets great by the time you make it to like the fourth world. The problem is early on you encounter so much stuff that can't be solved yet, and the first world is terrible to boot.

>>716242183
Mayahem Temple is pretty bad for an introduction but I mostly enjoyed the other worlds up until Terrydactyland which may be the worst crime against gaming Rare committed before they were sold off to Microsoft. Grunty Industries was pretty bad too although I did mostly enjoy Hailfire Peaks and Cloud Cuckoo Land. Overall it was a mixed bag of an experience for me and vastly inferior to Kazooie where I only dislike Click Clock Wood.

>>716188218
>Has never experienced Grunty Industries and Jolly Roger Lagoon
Nigga... Banjo is peak platformer world design

>>716242825
>GI bad
>HFP CCL good
complete opposite for me, I adore Grunty Industries, the whole interconnected nature of the place, the floors having their own vibe, the music, the atmosphere, the way you have to take the train to enter it
Did we play the same game?

Witchyworld is best world.

>>716243224
Too many small, separate (as in by loading screens) areas. I prefer big worlds as long as they don't go full retard with backtracking like Terrydactyland does. My favorite world in the game is Jolly Roger Lagoon.

>>716243235
Witchyworld almost makes tooie good.

>>716240265
Because they bought ActiBlizz and the guys upstairs want to get their returns.

>>716242093
Would they let him? I feel like Playtonic was founded specifically because they couldn’t do a 3D collectathon at Rare because Gregg didn’t want to do it.

>>716242825
I never get why people say this.. Terrydactyland is my absolute favorite level in any banjo game. The scale of it is amazing. Grunty Industries is also great and the only level I would get lost in as a kid. Cloud Cuckold Land was my least favorite because its an uninteresting level to traverse, you mostly just fly everywhere.

>>716188171 (OP)
There is literally nothing banjo about odyssey or dk bananza.
Bananza if anything is a literal fucking odyssey inspired game.
Why do the threads with the most stupidest brain dead takes always get the most replies?

>>716245387
He didn't want to do it ten years ago. He's sounded more open minded recently. I doubt there's actual bad blood there. If anything I got the impression the people who left disliked Microsoft more than their Rare coworkers.

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if they come on since Playtonic is definitely ramping up for something and seems like they must have a renewed funding source from somewhere.

>>716245765
>There is literally nothing banjo about odyssey

I wouldn't say that. Transformations and large-scale open worlds with way more collectibles than 64 ever indulged in. If you imagine the story was "Kazooie turned into a magic hat", it would work just as well as a Banjo game as it does as a Mario game.

>>716242825
>where I only dislike Click Clock Wood

We must just have really different tastes I think because I love CCW, Terrydactyland, and Grunty Industries, and hate CCL.

>>716188171 (OP)
I just want to fuck Kazooie.

>>716245387
>I feel like Playtonic was founded specifically b
They were part of some layoffs at Rare that occurred in the early 2010's

>>716196317
B&K being written by brits is exactly why the spyro trilogy is leagues above it

>>716234702
yoshi's new island wasn't.
hey pikmin definitely wasn't.
balan wonderworld absolutely wasn't.

>>716247353
I wouldn't say the Spyro writing is in any way "good".

>>716246214
Banjo and kazooie worlds are defined by collectibles you need specific abilities to get and each ability is usually a collectible as well. Not only that the abilities are frequently used after the world they are introduced in.
Bananza has the different bananza forms but outside of the ostrich having a useful general platforming ability you never actually use them again beyond the world you found them in, everything is designed to be plausible by base dk outside of the few specific instances where you have to use the bananza from that specific world.
The game is copying 3d marios style where you already have everything you need to finish the game and theres literally next to no backtracking.
The only instance of backtracking ive encountered is needing the ostrich for a banana in the freeze layer thats in a house floating in the air.

>>716247556
cranky kong's constant beration, the constant insults being flung between characters in the B&K duology and the entirety of conker's bad fur day is exactly why british writing sucks
the constant ragging on the player characters and the overarching feel of hopelessness in the face of the bright and cheerful environments just eats shit
like fuck, even pic related and the death of the gray jinjos in tooie was completely unnecessary

>>716248304
You are really thin-skinned, aren't you? The point of that image and the Grey Jinjo family being murdered is that you're not playing with the fairytale witch anymore, you're playing with a dangerous foe. Undead, unhinged and unpredictable, Grunty in Tooie is by far one of the best transformations of a character that I've ever seen. Let me guess, being colorful and bright means it must be cheerful and safe?

>>716246698
I think I remember that thread. Based artist btw

>>716188218
fippy to the bippy

>>716250404
>being colorful and bright means it must be cheerful and safe?
yes, absolutely.

>>716252613
You were sheltered as a child, and I feel sorry for you.

>>716234898
Honestly Bananza reminds me more of Kameo

>>716247843
Snake and Elephant Banaza have a ton of collectables that are required for them what are you talking about. The only ones that are truly unnecessary are Kong and Zebra

Also Feast Layer is way more Banjo-Kazooie flavored then anything from Mario's 3D collectathons

>>716254574
Kong’s necessary, there’s a bunch of stuff behind concrete walls, and I don’t think you always have bombs/gold around.
Plus Kong does the most damage.

>>716196794
Said the same thing about K. Rool before Bananza

How long would it take Grunty to completely ruin her body all over again if she did win?

>>716188171 (OP)
You're projecting. You want one. I want one.

>>716247843
I don’t remember Banjo-Kazooie having any backtracking either. It was Banjo-Tooie that had interconnected worlds which made a handful of jiggies a total clusterfuck.

>>716188218
Zoom zoom

>>716259698
Kazooie had some. IIRC the skills you need for the desert and snow levels are both in the "wrong" level so you need to visit both and then go back to the other in turn.

>>716260442
There's only one instance of backtracking, either the Turbo Trainers from Gobi's Valley for the rematch against Boggly in Freezeezy Peak, or the Beak Bomb from Freezeezy Peak to enter a pyramid in Gobi's Valley. You'll have the move from the world you play first so you won't need to backtrack twice. Ironically it's the same as Bananza where the only backtracking is needing the Ostrich Bananza for a banandium gem in the Freeze Layer if you happen to do that first instead of the Forest Layer.