>decide to play as a wizard
>the best spell is 'magical sword'

Don’t forget your Magic great hammer

The best spell is actually rock

to what level should I upgrade the demihuman staff before switching?

>>716214493
just leg it to caelid and get the meteorite staff, that one doesn't need to be upgraded and outperforms other staves at low-medium int so you can upgrade some other specialized staff or another weapon

>>716214207
Sadly gets outclassed by gravity missile once you get into DLC

>>716214435
this. use the archer amulet too for bugged double range

Why do the big flashy spells suck so much ass in every single from game

>>716214493
It's a literal pile of shit, don't waste upgrades on it
Grab meteorite staff and then save unique upgrade mats until you can wield carian regal scepter.

>>716214871
because big flashy spells are for women and homosexuals and from knows this

How the fuck does a mage build ever beat DLC Radahn?

Serious question.

>>716214036 (OP)
>best spell
>melee
Lmaono

>>716214871
Comet Azur cheese used to be good until they gutted the physik. The meteor channeling spell was good for big guys like Placidusax and Fire Giant as well.

>>716215247
use
>>716214036 (OP) and >>716214435

>>716214871
Because all the ways to make the big spells good would either make the small spells obsolete or fuck up the balancing for non-spells. Action games just aren't a format where big spells can flourish.

>>716214883
That's not what literal means.

Night Shard, Night Comet etc are the best ranged spells because enemies don't input read them, change my mind.
Rocks are good for the same reason

>>716215247
Respec into normal build
Big shield and int weapon, maybe antspur rapier with ice affinity
Grab new teleport spell, use it to jump around him and hit his ass.
Summon golem

>>716215516
Well late game big weapons outperform early game small weapons so what's thw fucking point of late game big spells being shit compared to glintstone pebble?

>>716214871
They don't want ranged to be good. They want you to rollslop everything.

>>716215559
rocks are just better, and it's not even close
the best range, stagger, and mana/dmg ratio

yeah I kinda hate that in ER it's hard to be a pure wizard throwing big spells at your enemy
you're either a spellblade or a faggot throwing tiny magic missiles at your enemy, huge spells are either worthless or take insane amounts of FP for relatively little effect, except maybe a couple outliers

>>716214883
>>716214775
then I would not have beaten the game according to myself

>>716214871
The mid tier spells are always the best balance between damage and FP cost. Night comet beats the whole game honestly, don't need any other sorceries

>>716215725
is isn't the best at the total damage you can output in a certain time(except against bricks that are vulnerable to strike damage but resist magic)

>>716215769
Tbf I had never seen a build, with mind > 30. Maybe you suppose to level mind to 60 instead of Vit?

>>716215247
I stacked physical defense and spammed Crystal Release, which has absurd poise on the casting animation. IIRC, this was after the first nerf but before the later ones.

>>716215559
Most enemies don’t input read.

Like I can’t think of a single regular mob who dodges projectiles, even most bosses don’t outside of:

> black knife assassins
> Godskin apostles
> Morgot (phase 2 only)
> Malenia
> Radagon, although he parries it, he doesn’t dodge
> every NPC fight

I’m pretty sure that’s it. It’s really not common phenomenon at all, it’s just infuriating when it does become a problem. But most of time it’s not worth using sub-par spells to avoid a problem you most likely arnt encountering.

>>716215769
Its crazy they couldn't do it for sorceries but dragon incantations are nearly broken while rot breath is objectively broken with a good amount of points in ARC

>>716215884
assuming the same amount of cast time?
usually you have enough time to cast once, then you have to dodge
dps race values are unrealistic

>>716215247
Can you just drill him with Rotten insignia and Flask?

>>716215986
>can’t think of a single regular mob who dodges projectiles
Then you haven't played as a caster

>>716215884
it also does more stagger damage than most spells.

>>716216002
You don't need a lot of Arc, just 17

>>716214493
Meteorite staff at the beginning
Demi human beats out meteorite at +6
Academy staff beats out demi human at 43 INT
Regal scepter beats out academy staff at 58 INT
>>716214883
It's literally the best staff for most of the game and beats out meteorite very early on.

>>716215937
DLC Radahn only got nerfed once. Unless you count pre-release unfinished version.

But yeah Crystal Release is secretly stupid overpowered, but no one knows about it because they are scared to get hit and die, like stupid youtubers doing INT only runs (so 10 Vigor) then ranking spells and putting Crystal release in F tier. But if you have enough hp/armour to not die in 2 seconds, the trade is always worth it. Just heal, and cast again, the boss will run out of hp before you run out of heals.

It’s also hilarious in PvP because no one knows that it has hyper armour, so their swing doesn’t bother me, and does such absurd damage that by attacking me they sealed their fate and instantly die.

>>716215884
Purple rocks deals regular damage, not strike.

>>716216342
Did they nerf
>jump when Radahn fly away, so he can just safely lend back?

>>716216409
don't they crack Crystallians?

>>716214871
Because the combat system and enemy design fundamentally only allows one form of playing to be good: Move fast and attack once quickly before moving again.

>>716216484
Strike isn't necessary to crack crystalians, it's based on stagger. Strike will allow you to deal normal damage to them before they're cracked though and it's very easy to test on either them or the stone miners that rock sling deals extremely low damage, meaning it's not strike.

>>716216484
Crystallions break to any 70 poise damage. 70 throwing knives will break one. Strike damage just does full damage even vs unbroken Crystalions. Rock Sling doesn’t do strike, so its damage sucks against Crystalions, but each rock does 9.5 poise damage, so it takes 8 rocks (or three casts) to break one, which is much better than most spells.

>>716216439
What?

>>716216767
https://youtu.be/uCHvoYyW8iU?si=eeDhM7BPMFXNZm2G

>>716216291
>It's literally the best staff for most of the game and beats out meteorite very early on.
factually wrong

>>716216119
You can go even crazier with high ARC and the dragon communion talisman

Rot breath will take half a bosses life bar before proccing the rot to finish the job

With a few points in dex you can also use the fun but underpowered arc weapons like regalia, a few more and you get RoB and an insane nuke spell. Actual meta build

>>716214871
DeS and DaS1 didn't really have spells that big but magic was incredibly powerful. In DaS1 you can beat Gwyn in 2 or 3 casts of the powerful spells like Crystal Soul Spear. Since then however From has started focusing much more on making their games "woooow so hard!! YOU DIED XDD" and that has ultimately resulted in the current design school for magic, where big spells are slow as fuck and completely milquetoast or else they may threaten their precious difficulty if they actually let you do something cool and effective, so they're just stuck in this barely usable at best sort of limbo, where the spell is fucking shit but maybe there's some specific situation or a particular boss somewhere that it's actually very good against, as a coincidence that simply exists because From can't test every single spell in every single scenario to make sure they're universally useless.

Basically, it's design philosophy to make those spells suck ass.

>>716215247
You can beat him the "normal" way aka just learn to dodge everything and fire quick little spells at him in the openings until you win. I experimented around a bunch and eventually discovered that the golem dude ash summon that you also get in the DLC is very, very good at holding aggro and was nearly able to DPS him down before golem guy died. I just finished him off normally after that, dodging as best I could. It took me like 2-3h of attempts so at that point I did learn his patterns to some degree, good enough to finish the job.

>>716215559
They're good but there are a bunch of spells which get input read but hit anyway as well, it's not really such a terribly unique property to make them that much better than the rest.

>>716215725
After playing the game as a mage I ended up finding that FP efficiency isn't particularly important on bosses as long as you don't use something extremely inefficient, DMG per cast opportunity felt way more important to me.

>>716216927
Except it isn't. Even at 18 INT, the minimum to use meteorite, deminhuman beats it out in scaling at only +6. Unless you literally never upgrade it, it'll continue to beat out meteorite until 43 INT when the academy staff takes the lead.

>>716214036 (OP)
Best spell is actually Polymorph Other if it works on bosses too.
> Turns the boss into a newt.
heh.

>>716217416
>if it works
It never does

>>716217304
>Even
The entire point of demihuman staff is to use it at low int, it's useless beyond that. Meteor staff is a preupgraded +12 weapon and it sharply outclasses demihuman at any point of your progression without wasting your resources.

>>716215986
The Nox
Zamor Heroes
Pests
Omen

>>716216924
It's funny how shit like this, freeze pots against Malena, sleep pots against Godskins, heals against Revenants etc. became meta just because of how obnoxious and unfun they made the enemies that people would rather use cheese/exploits than engage with them proper.

>>716218435
>Praise DS2 for "RPG mechanics"
>ER and NR have hard counters to some enemies and even provide in game hints via notes that merchants sell
>Nooo I hate RPG mechanics let me rollslop everything easily

>>716217895
Except upgraded demi human has the best sorcery scaling until 43 INT. You can literally fucking check this yourself. You're arguing with empirical facts.
>wasting your resources
You're playing a sorcerer. Your staff is literally the most important part of your inventory and should be number one priority for smithing stones.

>>716218549
>Except upgraded demi human has the best sorcery scaling until 43 INT
You need to upgrade that pile of shit beyond +9 for it to reach this state, by that time you can make a fucking carian regal scepter

>>716219094
Carian regal scepter can't even be used until you have 60 INT and academy staff beats it out in scaling until you have 68 INT (I just realized I mistyped earlier).
>You need to upgrade it
This seems to be a real sticking point for you. Putting aside the fact that, again, your staff is literally the most important weapon for a sorcerer and thus it's not a "waste" to upgrade it, do you realize that smithing stones are not finite or rare? You can literally just buy more even assuming you somehow don't find more from drops or world loot.

>>716214207
My true mentor

>>716219660
>Carian regal scepter can't even be used until you have 60 INT
So you can successfully use it by the time you beat Raya Lucaria given the obscene pace of leveling in ER
>This seems to be a real sticking point for you.
Of course. Instead of wasting runes and materials on a literal trash you could use them to upgrade any normal weapon to use magic and cold ashes of war.

>>716214036 (OP)
Be grateful they gave you magic. Souls games are primarily melee games.

>>716214036 (OP)
>mage build
>everything wants to be on top of you ASAP
>everything designed to dodge your spells except 2 of them
>attacks cost FP AND stamina
>still can't roll through attacks and dies
Yep, casters are NPCs that exist to summon me

>>716220000
>be grateful they gave you a shit option with less range than when the enemies perform it
>be grateful they gave you an option that has been in every soulslop since the beginning
???

>level 6
>+0 weapons
>42 int thanks to the combo of burger king crown and all boosters
>mfw glintstone nailing and gravity missiling newfags and passworded phantoms

>>716220000
>game lets you choose mage class
>game isn't meant to be played as a mage

>>716219851
Maybe if you're leveling INT and literally nothing else, like MND or VIG, which would also signify to me that you're not really using anything other than magic and thus could afford to "waste" your abundance of smithing stones and like 800 runes to upgrade the one piece of equipment that you're actually using and would be most helpful to you.

>>716220374
Elden Ring should have been like Sekiro

>>716220413
>abundance of smithing stones
Lmao from fucking where? You're not some retard that ends up killing hundreds of generic soldiers because you keep dying, right?

Just started my first serious mage build last weekend, using this at 70 int and it's great

>>716220758
2 mines in limgrave
Enemy drops
Scattered everywhere
Lady statues
Play the game scrub

>>716220413
>Maybe if you're leveling INT and literally nothing else
greyoll alone gives you a nearly 40 levels boost before you even begin the game plus 20 more levels from a soreseal to round up your physical stats so even an astrologist can use good melee weapons, clearing out limgrave on top of it pushes you to level 50, by the time you're done with Liurnia and acquire carian regal scepter you can comfortably wield it and forget any other staff

>>716214036 (OP)
it's just better than a regular sword

>>716220758
There are a bunch in every major dungeon you retard. Even without setting foot in the mines you have enough stones to get anything to +25.


Somber is even easier despite the patch to volcano manor.

You did not play the game

>>716214871
>Big
>Flashy
>Ridiculously powerful

Yup it's gaming time

>>716222010
It's just a recolored des firestorm, not really big and flashy.

>decide to play as wizard

>Google which spells are best and dont just use what you find organically to suit what you need at that moment

>>716222075
charged version is like 3x the size of firestorm
besides firestorm is a big flashy spell

there's also stuff like pic related, and if summoning a giant dragon head to spew clouds of cancer isn't big and flashy I don't know what is

>>716222210
I made this thread based on my experience of playing the game. Most people itt think I'm wrong about it being the best spell.

>>716222210
carian slicer is one of the earliest spells you find though

>>716222421
People itt are contrarian, the greater ER community agrees carian slicer has the highest damage to fp cost ratio

>>716215247
summons + drop ancient lightning on his ass

>>716223435
you can't look at spells in a vaccum. you need to be fairly up close as a mage build to use carian slicer. you are going to get fucked.

>>716222210
Yup, it's gaming time

>>716215452
Pretty much all spells outside of weapon summons are way too fucking slow to beat radahn with. A constant problem with the dlc I found

>>716214871
Why do you insist on showing everyone how you have at best cursory knowledge of the games you shitpost about?

why can't you conjure a dung storm called Jeetoria's Blight?

>>716216610
This is maybe true for ds1 but is absolutely not true for elden ring lol
You clobber them with big weapons and create your own openings by staggering and poise breaking enemies, very few enemies and only some bosses can't be beaten this way. Waiting your turn to press r1 is a very outdated way to play and you can always tell the people stuck in their ways from DS that criticize the game because it isn't a very good strategy anymore when really they just refuse to try anything else

>>716224230
>only some bosses
Aka pretty much all dlc bosses which invalidate magic playstyles and funnel you into big shield builds

>>716224486
Nothing of the sort happens, why do you incompetents always peddle this bullshit

>>716224645
Post radahn magic build completion video asap

>>716224486
This sounds very much like a skill issue
I beat the dlc twice, once with quality fkgs and the second time with death knights longhaft axe on a faith/str build, if you couldn't manage without resorting to shield poking you're just bad
So many bosses are best handled by beating the shit out of them, rellana especially got murdered by spear talisman giant hunts.

>>716224719
You do know Radahn crumbles to Zamor Ice Storm, do you?

>>716223435
the ratio is not that important in the grand scheme of things,
it's greatest advantage for me is the high dps of the spell and that you can use it fast out of a roll
it being cheap on top of that makes it more universally useful, but it would still be worth using against many enemies at a damage per fp cost equivalent to pebble

>>716224893
Damn I'm uninformed on that shit, I played at dlc launch and got filtered using magic before they nerfed radahn

>>716224486
>Aka pretty much all dlc bosses which invalidate magic playstyles and funnel you into big shield builds
I only felt the need to take out a big shield for Radahn, but that was on my str build with a colossal sword

is carrian streight sword dogshit or what?
Is there any good backup weapon for a mage early game?

>>716220919
>>716221432
Congrats, you now have enough stones to fully upgrade
>1.5 normal weapons

Somber stones are way too abundant and regular stones are way too uncommon for how many you need, this is a well documented issue with the game.

>>716219672
based

>>716223604
Anon, you do realize you can just... invest in hp and armor as a mage. Right?

>play faith character
>end up using flame art infusion weapons most of the time instead of using lightning/black flame/frenzy/dragon incanations
>play int character
>end up using melee spells or just cold infusion weapons instead of spamming ranged spells
how do i fix this problem

>>716225379
Do that until you get to the mountains, then destroy everything with Giantsflame Take Thee

>>716225176
Its frequently shat upon but i like the crystal straight sword

Don't get me wrong, spinning slash is a garbage skill and it sucks you can't use AoW on the crystal sword, but its got dependable magic and physical damage with decent stagger and low stamina cost

>>716225176
Magic infused short sword

How challenging is it to beat Mogh at RL1? I want the rune and some DLC stuff when invading people. I can RL1 the crafted arms dude and makar no problem.

>>716214036 (OP)
>Roleplaying as a normal wizzard in elden ring
A wizzard wouldn’t roll on the ground to dodge an attack

>>716225646
Crystal Straight Sword is kind of a trap.
>High availability
>Easy to upgrade
>But outperformed by a regular magic infused sword on most mage builds

>>716225379
Glintstone icecrag is one of the best spammables due to frost procs

Keep a couple firebombs on hand for more procs

>>716225815
Too bad the range sucks and enemies love dodging it.

>>716214871
Because ur bad

another thread, another 400 posts complaining about how there's only one allowed playstyle because people STILL don't understand that all you have to do, literally, ALL you have to do, is evade/defend FIRST, and then you can safely land whatever attack you want

i really dont get it. most people who pick up these games these days end up rolling colossal, it's absolutely insane to me that people can just bruteforce through an entire playthrough with a colossal weapon without once realizing, hey, i dont need to just dodgeslop and trade hits, i can actually learn to anticipate time my slow charge attack and i actually end up doing more damage this way and die less often!! no, never happens. they just repeatedly sprint at the wall until the cutcscene plays, and they somehow come away from the experience thinking that their own personal horrible gameplay is the objective only and best way to play.

>>716226039
>ALL you have to do, is evade/defend FIRST,
100% this:
From games are turn based RPGs and most people are too stupid to realize it.

The best spell WAS "Opening a portal to deep space so that you shoot the trail of a comet at your enemy in the form of a laser" but Fromsoft is comprised of no-talent hackfraud retards that think a spell described that way should be basically fucking useless.

God I hate Miyazaki and his shit-sucking fanboys so much. Every good idea in every Soulslike is ruined with by a fetish for being a pathetic weak bitch no matter what you use.

>>716214871
Miyazaki and Fromsoft are both talentless and mentally deranged. Just like their fans.

>>716214435
This
If I had to only use 1 spell for the entire game I'd pick it without hesitation.

>>716226196
Who cares about description? Spell made boss not hard so must make spell bad because boss must hard

>>716223435
FP efficiency stops being the most important deciding factor in casting a spell when you actually level your MND instead of leaving it at 20 forever.

>>716214036 (OP)
>>716214207
>>716214435
The best spell is actually spiky rock.

>Pyrochads win for the 5th game in a row

Adula's Moonblade my beloved

>>716218547
I think the problem is that the bosses are shit, whether you hard counter them or not. Also I don't think anythi hints toward godskin fucks being weak to sleep pots, and you're unlikely to walk in and just try it out since sleep pots are so limited.

>>716215986
EVERY BOSS IN THE GAME HAS A RANGED COUNTER OR REACTION, YOU DUMB FUCKING CUNT

>>716226318
>Leveling Mind
Imagine being this retarded. You only need enough mind to kill a boss, anything above 28 mind is pure retard territory.

>>716223435
I'm not sure if it's actually a better ratio than Discus of Light, that costs only 3FP, hits twice for pretty solid damage and is long range too.

Spells are gay
I beat the entire game with the longsword, banished knights shield and the knight set

>>716226354
Foes who are just straight up immune to fire: Several

Foes who resist lightning: 0

>>716215247
I had a scythe infused with magic/frost while at 80 int, snap "Endure" to it and then just heavy attack with health on hit talismans + malenia rune. Also stack holy res, maybe inhale ironskin perfume
shittiest fucking boss and made me drop the saga, but finding the strat was cool

>>716223928
What are you talking about you schizo

>>716226456
This but 12 fth for BFB. It's just "whatever build you have+"

>>716226459
Just keep pest threads in your back pocket, ez
>Muh lightning
Oh boy I sure do love buffing for 30 seconds every run because my spell school is literally only used for cheesy one shot strats

>>716225763
Got some good news for you.

Is Night and Flame still the coolest spellsword weapon or is there something better in the DLC?

>Get to DLC
>suddenly all those cast times fuck you up to most bosses

DLC is one of the worst games Ive ever played

>>716226534
gay little spell casting man

>>716226575
Electrify armament lasts 90 (!!!) seconds and costs 15 fth. If it runs out, it's after either you or the boss is dead.

>>716226534
I wish we had more bloodflame incantations.
>come up with literally the coolest thing ever
>don't make anything good for it

>>716226689
>INTshitter getting filtered
You love to see it.

>>716226834
I only went there on my second playthrough as a mage. The first was as a melee and it sucks for melee users too.

The best spell for me was the Ice Spear throw Ash of War on the Clayman's Harpoon, that shit cleared the game for me and was really fun to boot.

>>716226689
The development mentality was never to make fair, engaging fights. It's not Monster Hunter. It's about cramming in as much cheap bullshit as possible.

>>716226886
DLC is basically "play tanky & easy or put in far more effort than everywhere else"

>>716226687
the star-lined sword you get from Glup Shitto is pretty cool

>>716226689
I never bought the DLC because the maingame bosses were already getting really fucking annoying in endgame, and I expected that the DLC cunts would only get worse.
Seems like I was right.

>>716226991
I'm replaying the basrgame now and putting my first 40 levels into VIG while using the Club. I'm invincible, no idea why anyone would ever focus any other stat.

>>716227031
That looks pretty sick.
The only thing I felt was missing from night and flame was the ability to use weapon buffs in it. I imagine that's also the case for that thing yeah?

>>716226439
Okay, dude. Have fun only ever casting the most FP efficient spells and complaining that every other spell is useless while I have the FP to waste on whatever high level spells I feel like casting.

>>716226886
Nah, it was perfectly fine.
>divine beast
just don't fight it without scadu fragments
>rellana
learn to parry lol
>gaius
just light roll
>messmerr
was actually a piss easy fight, took like 7-8 attempts
>(pre-nerf) consort radahn
difficult but manageable, beat it in 2 days without using shields

I will never forgive subhuman shitters for getting the DLC nerfed and I will never forgive Fromsoft for catering to you faggots. Stick to fucking Candy Crush.

>>716226986
I noticed that as I kept running into bs after bs. Now that Ive learned a lot of the game, I see all the cheap tells and animations they included just to make it difficult. It might as well be like one of those gya ass shmups where they throw everything at you. It stopped being fun real fast.

>>716215930
I have a friend who have +40 in mind.
Never leveled vigor, literal glass cannon.
Fortunately we play with the coop mod

>>716227250
The only easy boss on that was messmerr. You'd be surprised to learn he was one of the fairest fights in the DLC, and I only died once to him.

>>716217836
That's why I said IF, you fucking newfag.

>>716227172
unfortunately yes. The Milady is similar but a lot more versatile because you can whack any infusion / ash you want on it. It also has a unique moveset that looks fucking awesome.

DLC boss fights are "unfair" because some players have decided to handicap themselves by never using block, deflect, parry or jump.

>>716215247
I spammed impenetrable thorns on him with my fth/int build desu

>>716227456
Guard counters will never be good unless you're using colossals

>>716222358
This when paired with the mist spell is crazy op.

>>716227456
>base game teaches you that you get severely punished in blocking (without a very good shield), deflect is hidden behind the first real gatekeep in the DLC (so you dont get until you get to the DLC to begin with ), parrying also is risky due to how spammy and stupid animations are...

Jumping is the one of the only reliable methods in this game, both base and DLC. Less so in DLC however

>>716225176
You can get a magic ash from Rogier in stormveil and just throw that on pretty much anything to be your backup mage weapon until you get to the actual int weapons in the mid-lategame

>>716227628
>base game teaches you that you get severely punished in blocking (without a very good shield)
It does not. Even the worst 100 physical block shield can tank bosses thanks to barricade shield and greatshield talisman.
>parrying also is risky due to how spammy and stupid animations are...
Miss a parry or a roll and you take damage either way. (even then a partial parry has damage reduction)
Time a good parry and you get a big chunk of damage in or interrupt the boss.
Successfully roll and you get to keep rolling until you get your pity R1 for measly damage.

>>716225213
there's a bell bearing you can get in liurnia and one in altus that give you infinite smithing stones up to level 4 stones, theres more but I forget where, I think one in snow fields?

>>716228005
>shields are good!!
>...if you use this talisman and skill!
Shields are shit, roll forward

>>716227147
Base game is far, far easier than DLC.

>>716227250
7-8 attempts is easy? I beat Malenia in like 3 attempts. The nuRadahn fight (pre-nerf, haven't replayed it since) took me like 2-3h worth of attempts and that was far, far harder than anything else in the game. Frankly I don't know how you can stand dying for 2 days on 1 boss fight, especially one as badly made as OG nuRadahn where 50% of the trouble was all the beam spam that actually stops you from seeing what's going on. I was already pissed after my 2-3h of doing that fight before I beat him.

>>716228005
Listen, Ive had this argument for years even before the DLC. I know what works in Elden Ring and what doesnt. Yes, Im aware you can eventually learn things to the point where that stuff becomes easier. But most players wont ever rely on them cause the base game, DLC moreso, has already taught us that one mistake leads to getting one shot or almost one shot.

I have no patience for a game like that and I won't try to sugarcoat how ass it is. So stop trying to think ER is as complicated as something like Sekiro. The best strats in ER is to just move around, roll, jump, and summon for help.

>>716228146
>Gets roll caught by every attack he's never seen before when he could've held down L1 while backpedaling
>Proceeds to whine that DLC bosses are unfair

>>716228005
>It does not. Even the worst 100 physical block shield can tank bosses thanks to barricade shield and greatshield talisman.
Most pro streamers who used shield already adviced that you have to use roll and that you cant shield forever. The game doesn't like shield users unless optimize in endgame for it.

>>716228286
See the difference between you and me is that I play videogames and you watch streamers.

>>716228338
>people who play the game at a high level are not worth watching
>see the difference is

The difference is that you're shit. I'll listen to the guy on youtube instead who fought all bosses just using a rapier at level 1.

>>716228254
>roll caught
Roll forward, retard.

>>716228419
Yeah and I'm the guy you watched because you can't do that.

>>716228508
The diff is that that guy didnt need a shield like you loser. =)

>>716214036 (OP)
I loved using this spell in duels.
>Exclusively use my flashy long range spells the entire fight
>They think I'm weak and have no close combat option
>They rush me
>SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER.WAV
I used the karian short sword spell a lot and the ice one basically did 3000 damage and one shot most people

>>716226534
best weapon buff in the game

>>716228567
Yeah but he's that guy and not you right? You only can parrot what others have said instead of drawing upon actual experience.

716228659
yawn not worth a quote

>>716226689
I expect to suffer when I get to the DLC on my int build.

>>716215247
Fight him like a melee build but use comet instead of R1.

>>716226714
>Electrify armament
Bro what kind of retard build are you running?

>>716227376
>It also has a unique moveset that looks fucking awesome.
Watched a video. That's a pretty dope moveset.

>>716218292
>Havel the Rock does a gay girly dance move
>the boss dies of cringe

This is so far the only display that makes magic in ER look cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwKHGI__4HM

>>716214036 (OP)
>>716214207
>>716214435
The best spell is fucking shard spiral. That shit's broken.

>>716227226
If you need more than 28 mind to primarily use your big ass spells, that's a you problem.

>>716226689
Use the summons faggot.
You're already playing a magic build.

>>716228994
Unfortunately magic gains massive aggro in the DLC. It takes only a couple of spell casts before the boss is focusing on your ass.

>>716228981
Only against huge bosses, ideally fairly stationary or immobile ones too. But yes, oh boy does it ever shred those.

>>716223435
Against large bosses, shard spiral does WAY more damage per FP

>>716228981
>>716229097
i dont understand why it does so much damage, my last playthrough was using the deathbird greatsword and when it stopped doing 50% of the boss hpi just started using the spiral spell and killing them in like 5 casts

>>716229097
It certainly doesn't work well against Malenia, PCR, Gaius, Rellana, or horse nights. But, that's pretty much it. Even something as quick on its feet as the ghostflame dragon gets raped and gaped by it.

>>716214871
God forbid the 15 seconds long charge up ultra explosion nuclear meteor attack stagger a hungry hobo boss in a souls game. But nah
>Hobo boss swings like a drunkard and grazes your hair for 7/8 of your health

>>716228656
That would be braggarts roar

>>716228072
Two from mines, one from mountains, final one from Godskin duo. I know you can eventually just buy as many as you need outside of the final tier, but during your playthrough that's obviously not going to be terribly practical.

>>716228072
yes, it's in consecrated snowfields I believe

>>716229209
It does so much damage because it hits continuously while it moves through a boss's huge body. Most other spells hit once or a limited number of times if they're multi-projectile but Shard Spiral just keeps tearing through. So if it's fuckhuge and ideally doesn't move around a lot, Shard Spiral just keeps drilling as it moves. It's still alright against smaller targets too, not a bad spell at all but it's nothing compared to what it does to the big ones.

>>716228146
Rolling is heavily punished in the dlc, which was very blatantly designed around abusing the Sekiro tear.

>>716229617
Roll forward next time
>NOOO ILL GET PUNISHED
Be better, do better

>>716229682
>Roll
>Your reward is an R1 instead of a guard counter or riposte

>>716229903
>R1
Jumping L1 that does a fuck ton of damage. Get good.

>>716229137
>Against large bosses

I recomend Glintstone Enema for those.

>>716229996
>Jump
Lmao okay thanks for playing. You can delete your post and try again.

>>716230268
Im sorry you're shit at the game