It's time for another Project Epoch thread, today we will be discussing class balance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuchYcH1rI4&list=PLn6Q2XXWRhKhDNMg-JvxU9lAe2MF2I-EY

Alright you know the drill, grab a seat maybe a snack and lets begin.

>>716232320 (OP)
>video has zero gameplay
waow, i'm hyped!

>>716232320 (OP)
>Copyright 2002 Blizzard Entertainment. All Rights Reserved
>private server
Evidently not

>>716232458
it's vanilla with a few changes
what the fuck were you expecting?

>>716232320 (OP)
>custom client
enjoy your cryptomining botnet

tranny game generals belong in >>>/vg/

theres already a thread up retard

These custom vanilla+ servers always just seem like hybrid (mostly ret paladin) power fantasies where they're insanely overtuned and busted. Like a paladin main is just given gm privileges and goes hog wild

>>716232818
Power tripping is normal in tranny games.

>>716232818
Somehow, every single (and I do mean every single) vanilla+ server to ever exist, official or otherwise, has ran into the exact same problem of overbuffing ret paladins to the point where they global everyone in PvP.
It says a lot. I don't know what it says, but it says a lot.

>chink funserver
lmao
no

>install azerothcore
>add IndividualProgression so you have classic professions and mobs and world bosses and quests (including removed class quests) and items and stats for both vanilla and TBC while still having WotLK content available, and you have to beat all vanilla content to access TBC, all TBC content to access Lich King
>no retarded oc donut steel changes by some dumb russian kid
>add player bots (imagine playing with sub-human beings who still play WoW in 2025, 1 per server is more than enough) who will play dungeons and raids and battlegrounds and do quests with you and will actually heal/tank/do their job
>all of this without installing r*sski botnet clients, without giving them your data, without chink gold farmers teleporting everywhere, and without the $$$ shop
I'm not redeeming the epoch.

>>716233886
but enough about Turtle.

>>716232320 (OP)
which class will be the most overpowered?

>>716234145
Hunter

>>716232320 (OP)
>guy literally called muzzy
>just rephrasing the text overview from their website in stilted english, no actual insight or gameplay
lmao

>never played wow before
>gonna make a fat titted tauren lady and mine for fish all day
gaming?

>>716234298
No one knows shit yet, so the only "content" being made is low effort garbage

>>716234524
>cow player
>so dumb he's throwing his pickaxe in the water trying to get fish
checks out

>>716234524
don't
i once thought exactly like you and had exactly the same intentions
you will get strung along for months before you realize you've accomplished nothing except butting heads with incompetent thirdworld devs and players who are legitimately mentally ill

I'm playing a soul of iron explorer contract human female fury warrior and a soul of iron explorer contract human female protection paladin and a soul of iron explorer contract human female beast mastery hunter

>>716235267
congrats on your bottom surgery xister

Just stole a name reservation from someone who deleted their character

>>716232320 (OP)
What is supposed to make this better than Turtle Wow?

Last I saw there was over 40k name reservations. Discounting bots and alts, you're probably looking at close to 20k players at launch. I don't think the servers are going to survive.

>>716236183
3.3.5 client.
I wonder when pservers will start figuring out how to use the classic clients without buggy proxies.

>>716236250
It has 5k limit. No idea the hell are these retards doing.

>>716234992
sounds alright to me
not like there are great alternatives

>>716236183
From my understand it's a mix of a fresh server and them trying to mix things up enough to make the game feel like a vanilla launch instead of being a solved game where everything is already known.
That and TBC classes were the best.

lmao, one step away from letting you buy thunderfury in the shop

>>716236352
It's not like they're all going to play at the same time, but there is probably going to be perma-queues for a while.

>>716236418
i was tempted to ask, avoiding this shit like the plague now

>>716236250
It crashed a minute into the stress test when 2k people were in the same zone, it crashed a minute into name reservations when 7k logged in, and there's still some bug with name reservations they're trying to figure out.
There's basically no chance that the first few hours of launch will be playable

>>716236418
they're letting you buy [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker] in the shop?

>>716236183
>better
>better
>better
can you cucks stop comparing everything all the time? i've played through turtle's content already, I want something new, epoch gives me new content, so I want to play epoch. also better client

>>716236506
So we're going to get the authentic WoW experience then? I remember when AQ was opening and it was a struggle just to load in to Kalimdor. TBC Dark Portal opening was the most fun I ever had in the game though, when the entire server was crushed into that tiny zone with giant elite robots stomping around on a pvp server. It was absolute madness and I loved it.

>>716236585
i don't think they're letting you buy [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker] in the shop. seems like they're selling cosmetic shit like mounts and stuff, not [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker].
though knowing how these servers end up, they might end up selling [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker] in the future.

>>716236418
>cosmetics or real world
>one step from pay2win
are you a grade A retard? in that case literally every cash shop ever is one step from p2w

>>716236585
The wording makes me think they'll sell cosmetic gear that gives no stats or armor that you can use for transmog. Pointless for me since I'm going to turn transmog off as soon as I hit a major city.

>>716236738
>Step 1: add cash shop
>Step 2: add p2w
It's always one step from p2w

>>716236738
>in that case literally every cash shop ever is one step from p2w
I mean, yeah?

>>716232614
as long as it works well, lets me play for free and lets devs release new content constantly, then I don't care.

>hosted in uk
so what is stopping blizz from shutting this down

>>716232320 (OP)
don't care about balance
will be going rogue and mage for dem kritz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFHcIJgkfag

I put a support ticket to Blizzard informing them about this server

>>716237180
UK isn't the land of the free

>>716237267
UK respects US copyright

>>716232320 (OP)
Which class will be most op?

>>716237408
Explain turtle then

>>716237259
Considering most of the videos embedded on their website were taken down via DMCA I think they might have a hunch a new server is opening.

>>716237439
warrior probably
it was top dps in all the betas

>>716237439
Undead ret paladin

>>716232320 (OP)
I fully support the existence of this and other private wow servers, because it quarantines a large portion of the retard shitskin thirdworlder population from the official servers.

Keep up the good work.

I've never raided in classic
Will people expect me to know the strats when joining pug raids?
I'll play shadow priest, so I won't have as much responsibility as a tank or healer

>>716237259
>>716237180

>>716237723
>retard shitskin thirdworlder population
that's classic though

>>716232320 (OP)
RETAIL WON BIGLY

>>716237723
Official servers are like 60% chink bots, nigger

>>716237106
>I don't care as my GPU burns up and literally catches fire

>>716237768
Is that guy angry people are going to play for free a game he's likely paid Blizzard thousands of dollars over the years to play?

>>716232320 (OP)
can't wait to see this server crash and burn

>>716237809
Pretty much. Blizzard puts the smallest possible effort into maintaining any of their wow servers and lets bots/gold farmers run rampant.
>>716237884
Considering the numbers who want to play on it that might literally happen.

>>716237748
You'll be expected to know the bare minimum for stuff but since the raids are supposedly changed on there you can just focus entirely on doing damage and not really have to worry about knowing mechaincs

How's this for a basic bitch ele build?
https://www.project-epoch.net/classes/talents/?data=5;0:2:2:2:2:2:6:6:0:0:0:8:10:10:10:10:10:13:13:13:9:4:15:15:15:15:1:1:1:1:1:7:17:17:17:15:18:18:18:18:18:19;2:3:3:3:3:3:12:12:12:12:12:1:2:2:2:6:11:11:11:11:11

any gnome priest bros here?

>>716237843
I play on intel integrated graphics

just play mop classic freaks

>>716238727
I don't want to play pandaria, I want to play classic.

>>716238810
I don't want to play classic, I want to play vanilla.

>>716238727
only if you roll a pandaren and become my gf

>>716238727
Unironically would if they at least did something with chink bots running economy into the ground. And that's on top of all the shit blizzard themselves selling.

>>716236418
>They added transmogs
it's so over

>>716232320 (OP)
>Literally just take all the most important WOTLK spells/talents and slap them into Vanilla
Lazy shit, might aswell play with WOTLK client lamo

>>716239000
You can just toggle their tranny larp off, they thought of everything

>>716236738
That's... literally what happens in every pserver, yeah.
Sometimes it's two steps. First cosmetics, then cosmetics with functionality (oh don't worry it's just a cosmetic pet that lets me open up the bank and auction house from anywhere in the world, purely cosmetic), then gear. But usually straight from cosmetics to gear.

>>716232320 (OP)
If you comment an eggplant to a mod message they time you out.
epoch mods are trannies.
Shadow priests and moonkins have zero changes, rogues are overpowered. mages are useless.

>>716239025
bro…

>>716238727
>still chinkbotted gdkp fucked economy parsetranny slop
yeah nah

>>716238727
I refuse to pay a monthly subscription to play a game
Make it a one time payment

>>716239152
what changes do spriests and boomies need?

>>716232320 (OP)
if i can't grief people with tricks of the trade rogue, what even is wrath skills good for

>>716239095
That's good but it's also horrible that they even include shitty retail features like this. Shit like cross-faction grouping and arenas are completely unnecessary retail features, these guys are no better than Blizzard.

>>716239152
They've said they intend to do changes post-launch dumbass, moonkins being the first on the list.

>>716239251
Boomies are usually bottom tier dps in most expansions I believe. Basically a meme spec.

>>716236183
Turtle has great custom content but I despise their client. The class changes on Epoch seem more tame and balanced.

>>716239652
as it should be

what's the best 2AM mindless grinding class besides hunter?

>>716239652
They do great on turtle.

>>716232320 (OP)
Nah senpai, don't think so, I'm knee-deep in pandussy and plan to remain so for quite some time.

>>716239920
warlock

>>716240117
affliction? curse, curse, curse, drain soul, repeat

>>716232320 (OP)
not a pvp server so it's baby googoo gaga shit

>>716239194
WoW is singlehandedly keeping Blizzard afloat and supporting hundreds of trannies who then retcon the lore in their own image.

>>716232614
Retards say this about every new pserver. Has it ever been true?

>>716240246
it's a PvE server but they seem to be heavily encouraging PvP with their changes
theres more rewards for PvP in general and they're making new gear for it

>>716240317
yes, turtleWoW

>>716240246
the only pvp that happens on pvp servers past week 1 is high level ganking if you want to talk about baby googoo gaga shit, level 60s running down level 16s in duskwood, big fun

>>716240317
nah
if servers want to make money they usually just partner with the gold sellers and take a cut of that
or sell borderline pay2win shit in their store like turtle does

>>716238226
you may want imp lightning shield with the new rolling thunder talent resto is a heavy commitment the first 10 points but crit and hit are massive so idk

>>716232320 (OP)
>you missed actual vanilla
>you missed nostalrius
>you missed 2019 classic
THIS IS THE KINO ONE THIS TIME GUYS!!!

>>716240432
that's obviously not true and you're just a pussy pve server player

>>716240432
The devs have 100% control over how this game works, if they wanted to stop 60s from killing low levels they could do that with a couple lines of code. They just don't give a shit.

>>716240579
nostalrius was a shitshow, extremely overrated
server had 10k chinese people online at all times fly hacking and botting
if you pointed this out on the forums you got banned

>>716240579
It's not vanilla though, which is why I'm actually excited for this.

>>716237768
@Blizzard
@FBI
@GordonRamsay
DO SOMETHING!!

>>716238727
>the expansion that doomed the series to furfaggots

>>716237768
it's far easier to sue them after the server is up
but I doubt they would put this much effort into a server and have no plan for dealing with blizzard

can i use the one button macro or nah?

Nah I'm not feeling this server. I think Azeroth at War is way better, but the launch is still a few months away. I'm lucky to have been able to experience the pre-patch with lots of cool people. AAW has been my best memories of WoW. I felt like a kid again rushing to 60 just for a title.

>>716240893
Oh yeah, russkies, famous for their long-sighted plans.

>>716240959
>Azeroth at War
I might check it out, but if it's months away I'll play Epoch in the meantime.

>>716241165
if they're slavs then they can just ignore blizzard then

>>716239664
They have gotten better with the custom content overtime. Gilnaes is great and Upper Karazhan has fun fights that fitler the shitters.
Beta Test 3 for Epoch was decent custom wise if i count the bugs being squashed before launch. Not sure on raid content but the dungeons are not really harder besides DM/WC and UBRS.

Im very interested to see the reaction to apparently MC being harder on Epoch and the dad gamers dealing with it. So many 30+ year olds on these pservers.

>>716241165
Isn't this hosted from Ireland or UK or something?
>>716240893
They said their plan for dealing with Blizzard was to just to throw their cease and desist letters in the trash

>>716241208
Sounds like a good time, UmU

>>716240940
Just play retail bwo

>>716240317
It's been true literally every time lol.

>>716232320 (OP)
so which class is /v/ going with? i'm going hunter

>>716240940
you talking about the PvE hunter macro or the PvP warrior macro?

>>716240317
>he doesn't know

What's a good d/w enhance spec? I never really played shaman

>>716241548
how is it possible to be that oblivious

>>716241571
>>716232320 (OP)
Waitin' for all of (You), /v/ros, see ya soon!

What class is the most fun for a noob
Is the leveling still the peak and the endgame a gear treadmill?

>>716242105
by being the average nu-wow player
gameplay is just an inconvenience that gets in the way of the real endgame which is AFKing in town on the gaudiest ugliest mount possible

>>716242301
Go with Hunter, thank me later

Are druids actually playable now? Seems like they got a whole lot of buffs

>>716241571
warlock and taking my succubus gf everywhere

>>716242246
see you in Deathknell bro
if we can even log in

>>716242301
best class for noob would probably be a frost mage
>Is the leveling still the peak and the endgame a gear treadmill?
yes but they are increasing the difficulty of everything on this server

>>716242395
Theyll be the most played class on Epoch

>>716241998
something like this i reckon

>>716242395
I might make a druid alt, but rogue has always been my go to class.

>>716242395
Raids will probably just have 1 feral/boomy for raid wide dps, their dps wasn't so great in beta 3.

>>716242447
What about DPS Paladin or Warrior? I was also thinking Afflction Warlock

>>716237106
>play for free
>"thanks for the GPU cycles thirdie"
you are dumdum

>>716232320 (OP)
Looks like shit. Let me know when they start bringing in the actually fun content, like Burning Crusade or WotLK.

>>716242395
If this isn't tuned properly, there's potential to be the most broken shit in the game. It was already op in like TWoW, so they had to add cd to Wing Clip, for cat it would be broken af.

Pic extremely related

>>716233886

Server is in britain innit

>>716242395
I'm assuming you haven't kept up with the private server min-max autism very much, but these druid changes are going to be interesting because it's speculated that druids can now match warrior dps.
Given that druids are hybrids, this could easily make druid the most popular class on epoch by a huge margin.

>>716242562
>What about DPS Paladin or Warrior?
80% of the server will be playing those so getting gear will be a serious bitch. affliction warlock will be strong for pvp but i'm not sure for raids.

>>716242562
you really cant go wrong
paladins and warriors are gonna be the majority of the population so you're gonna have a harder time getting groups if you pick those, unless you end up tanking

>>716234145
Undead Paladin is literally game breaking all on its own

>>716242642
werent those types of items gated behind a more complicated formula in vanilla?something like x% per hit but no more than N times in Y seconds or something?

>>716240686
Shush. Don't spoil the narrative.

>>716242395
So basically they copy pasted SoD Feral changes.

>>716242562
>dps paladin

>>716242823
I think no. Percentage work uncapped per minute in vanilla, they tuned that per later expansions as far as I know. First thing was Windfury fixed, since it proc'd of itself, but for this types of items i think vanilla is flat procts, without diminishing returns.
Correct me if I'm wrong

>>716242395
it's going to be very fotm but no one will stick with it when they realize that no, giving ferals onhits isn't going to make up for the 40%+ dps gap between them and fury warriors

>>716240686
nost was wonderful

>>716242891
>He doesn't know

>>716243018
what's going on here?

>>716242940
classic has ppm systems

>>716243095
Interrogation tactics

>>716243018
wasn't that about him using the ninja illusion while in cat form or some shit
the GMs were such fucking clowns on nost

>>716243095

>>716242940
It's wrath client so I assume that means it works like it did in wrath, not vanilla.

>>716242320
The best part is that they had to implement an artificially longer GCD when using the one button rotation, so that it would be slightly worse than playing normally. Doppler actually did some addon fuckery to see how the damage was without it, and the DPS was the same or better than the average for at least ret pala and sub rogue lmao.

>>716240317
>people

>>716243143
seriously? you can run around as a noggenfogger skelly in cat form who gives a rat's ass if you can deviate delight or whatever

Just curious, and not to break topic, but do you guys know any good TBC private server. I'll play Epoch ofc, but i wanna go back to my nostalgia expansion at some point. Warmane Onyxia realm good enough, or maybe Stormforge?

>>716236183
it's new and turtle is old

>>716243145
Do they make you sit on the cuck chair lmao?

I want to play a healer but I don’t have any friends to play with, it’s going to be all randoms.
Is it rough going leveling as holy pally solo? Priest and shaman at least have the benefit of being able to quest in int gear as casters, but I have no experience with healadin. Seems like it would suck needing to keep an entire separate set to swap between.

>>716243145
kek
>within cells interlinked
interlinked

>>716243021
you will never be a white crusader esfand

>>716243337
i don't know any good ones but stay away from stormforge tbc
i played their mop and half my guild was people who played the old tbc server and they all said it was a shithole

>>716243445
Play shammy or drood for healzor, thx me later

>>716243492
It's TBC talent trees, with Crusader Strike and additional stuff like Spiritual Attunement, and ton of new seals for different situations. Go read on site, maaaan

>>716243445
just fucking don't, dude. leveling as heal spec is the single most retarded thing you can possibly do. you can't quest, you can't do anything on your own, all you can do is run dungeons over and over and over and over until your eyes bleed.

>>716243515
kk thx bro

>>716243640
still fat and brown

>>716243640
My precious cloak of shadows.

>>716243445
you absolutely do not need healing spec for dungeon healing while leveling

>>716243445
Level as DPS and collect Int gear to heal in dungeons. Literally how you did it since the dawn of WoW.

>>716240579
>actual vanilla
kino
>nostalrius
russian and chink shit
>2019 classic on a German server
kino for the first 4 months

>>716243807
>on a German server
Bruder warum.

Beta test 3 which isn't too different from final had Warrior (Surprise) Rouge and Hunter pump.

The balance isn't "fixed" but it has the TBC design of generally wanting to bring one of each spec for raidwide buffs. Blizzard saw this as a design flaw but i don't think it's too bad just don't expect any slightly sweaty guild to bring 4 ferals.

>>716243445
you definitely should not level as any heal spec unless you have a dedicated group of people you're leveling with through dungeons

>>716243921
because that's where I played that's why it was kino

>>716243986
>top physical dps classes are the usual suspects
people are in for such a rude awakening with druid i swear

>>716244008
Dedicated Resto druid is fine, since he doesn't need gear for questing, he'll do it in the forms, and in dungeons he'll heal, so leveling Resto(bear) is completely viable. Same for resto shaman, he's flat spell dmg are more than enough for leveling even with healing gear.

>>716244084
like 90% of feral players are not gonna be sweaty enough to make it pump

>>716243189
It's whatever the devs feel like. E.g. they replaced all the ratings with vanilla-style flat %.
Other mechanics are also anywhere between vanilla and wotlk

>>716244168
this is bait

>>716243445
you can heal has an shaman til BRB as long as you willing to carry around healing gear on you.

>>716244168
>sacrifice your leveling speed to do slightly more healing in dungeons
nah bro, nah
just heal in dps spec

>wotlk client
>no outland or northrend
>lvl 60 cap
>muh custom content
I wish they'd first rebalanced and adapted the expansions which have some quality to them at least, BEFORE making their own half-assed dogshit 'content'.

>>716244298
kino webm, I was there when it happened.

>>716244298
Best shammy transmog shield

/v/ what will be your profession?!

I'll check out leather working for the changes

>>716236418
>vanilla wow
>"cosmetics"

>>716244462
I disagree, WoW is better without the "Islands" where you can fly, it forces people to bump into each other so the world feels more alive. I rather have Vanilla+, in the sense of adding content to the pre-existing world, like Turtle and Epoch, over having the expansion "Islands" which fragment the community and dilute the sense of the world being "alive".

>>716232320 (OP)
>Some asshat less than a second in
No thanks fag OP

>>716243337
Warmane TBC is pretty dead and hard to get into right now.

why is /v/ so butthurt about a free p server that isn't even out yet lol

>>716244998
Rly? I mean, there are about 5-7k players online constantly showing on the website for Onyxia, so, idk... I really wanna play some good ol' TBC :/

>>716245025
>/v/ is one person
Based retard.

>>716241548
>picture
We used to joke about this kind of shit back in the day, now it's a reality.

I'm thinking of rolling elemental. Will it be shit? Destro lock is my second option

can i play this on linux? i know 3.3.5 works but will the patcher?

>>716243785
In Epog you will they already said enemies have double health and damage and more spells

>>716245309
Both gonna roflpwn in pvp, and will be slots for them for raid, pretty sure about that.

>>716245025
I'm pissed because the server could be so much better if the devs didn't make a bunch of stupid decisions.

>>716243785
Kinda. You go OOM a lot easier in Epoch dungeons due to tuning.
They really fucked up making dual spec 1k gold, it should just be unlocked at level 20 or something.

>>716244084
Feral is the meta tank now. Resto is generally seen as mandatory to have one for the healing buff. Moonkin is less of a meme and you probably want one.

never committed to a private server, how long do these usually live for?
don't want to give blizz money for some casual WoW nostalgia

>>716245490
well
why don't you make your own p server?

>>716245534
TWoW lives, Warmane lives, and bunch of other non-English speaking, so it'll live if it's good (enough)

>>716245534
theres a few that have been going for decades
a server getting shutdown is a big deal because it rarely happens

Its literally just
>Copy some wotlk spells and call it a day
Im disappointed, why the fuck cant they have an ounce of originality?
>Hey lets add Tree of life to druids!!
>What does it add to druid gameplay?
>Absolutely nothing, it just limits you into casting specific spells, slows your movement and gives a raidwide buff, forcing you to spec into it
>Also it makes you look like a retarded tree for the rest of all your time in raids

Fuck you, i hate it in WOTLK, i hate it in turtle and i still hate it here
Fucking make your own spells and add something ACTUALLY FUNNY instead of copying brain dead retarded blizzard designs
>Lets just give rogues shadow step AND Cloaca of shadows
>Lets give combat rogues.... axes.
WOW BRILLIANT!!!

Skip

>>716244168
unspecced feral forms are horrible. doubly so if you aren't winning good blue agility pieces in dungeons thanks to being healer.
what you do is level balance and pick up talents that also boost your healing like lunar guidance, moonglow, dreamstate, etc.

>>716245534
usually its at least until all raid content has been well cleared, i have yet to see one where the server has shut down or something before most people just stopped playing naturally over time

>>716245369
What's your basis for thinking ele shaman will stomp in PvP?

>>716245694
>decades
meant over a decade

>>716245495
yeah. feral is a TANK spec. 99% of these fotm feral players are bandwagoners expecting to play only cat and do big dick dps.
not fucking happening.

>>716245705
you haven't even played it yet though

Yeah Sloppoch is finished

>AI generated quests
>AI generated dungeons
>AI generated enemies
>only TWO new dungeons
>no Helves or Draenei (WHY???)
>discord moderators scrounging the thread going full Big Brother and banning anyone using their First Amendment Rights
>shilling the thread non-stop with their AI, trying to spread false rumors about Turtle WoW
>stole Warmode and Transmog from Turtle
>stole Human Hunter from Turtle
>2x health values on EVERY mob (have fun leveling as a Priest LOL!)
>only shaman race is ugly fucking dwarfs
>autistic German developers who are BIG FANS of Mythic+ and raid bosses with 500.000.000.000 HP and oneshot mechanics
>put in OP as fuck Bladestorm as the only Wrath ability because the German Autist Dev mains dwarf warrior
>meanwhile deleted Penance because quote "it's too OP"
>no cash shop on launch
>server can't even handle 2000 players, 25.000 are expected on launch day, 100% crash because the German Autist cheaped out
>paid Youtubers to shill their broken ass AI programmed slop server
>Horde will be 80% busted OP oneshot Undead Ret Paladins
>constantly shill on /v/ and reddit

If you actually plan to roll on this DoA autism simulator which will crash and burn on release you are actually retarded. Sticking with Turtle WoW is the way to go if you have more than 70 IQ. Sloppoch is FOMO third worlder Dead On Arrival server

>>716245705
good morning saar

>>716245750
>chain lightning
>instant cast free lightning bolts
>2k instant cast interrupting or slowing spells
>elemental totems out the ass
>basically instant in combat travel form

tbc ele shamans are great fun

>>716245534
usually interest just slowly peters off and then dies after naxx or whatever final raid has been out for a while and no new content is coming in
rarely do servers actually get taken down

>>716245715
Yeah don't bother speccing healing. Leveling is slow and dual spec is 1000 gold.

>>716245320
I use this thing some dude in the discord made
https://git.burkey.co/eburk/epochcli

>>716245864
hell yeah

>>716245750
Chain lightning hits like a truck, You have new spells like Molten Blast, talents from TBC (Unrelenting Storm + Elemental Overload), and if there's enha shammy you'll get more nature dmg, plus other dmg buffs and auras are raid wide, so you'll get boomkin and other magic dmg buffs, just stand behind and delete players from battleground

>>716245886
Would shaman be a good choice for someone who likes casters and druid? I started with mage and then played warlock and druid, maining druid. I like how much utility druid has in PvP and out in the world, and shaman seems like it has some of that and several flavor spells.
Other casters just don't appeal to me at this point. The mage stigma is too great to bear.

>>716246035
if you want to shit out crazy burst damage and also have amazig utility then yeah

>>716246035
Mage sucks ya dad
Unironically my favorite caster is hunter

>>716245864
if even half of these are true its so fucking over lmao

>>716245815
Actually put some effort into your posts instead of just going "Nu uh, you havent eaten the pile of shit yet you cant know what it tastes like!"

>>716245025
other servers advertise on this board and freak out and spread FUD anytime another server launches or gets talked about. Turtle in particular seems to pay out for a lot of shilling here.

>>716245534
if they launch successfully they live for at least 2 years
Warmane has been around for more than 10 years, Turtle for more than 5 years
>inb4 Nost
They wanted to be hired by blizzard

>>716245864
not even true

>>716245089
They always fake those numbers. They are pretty notorious for it.

>>716246035
What mage stigma?

>>716245864
>>no Helves or Draenei (WHY???)
Because they're gay, suck ass and make the game worse (good riddance)

>>716240579
Elysium had the best true Vanilla replication with Darrowshire, Classic was the worst by far (lmao releasing with post-Naxxramas talent reworks and Molten Core endgame).

Will there ever be a server that combines TBC plus true open world with flying mounts everywhere, the new races and their starting areas?
Bonus points the new yet to release player housing

>>716246207
have to explain why it isnt tranny cant just say not true and run away

>>716245864
>2x health values on EVERY mob
wait, really? that's retarded

>>716246337
Best I can do is Bronzebeard from Ascension.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEb42dm0G3k

>>716246337
>flying mounts everywhere
fuck off

>>716246449
it's 2x wotlk health values which are close to 60% of what they were in classic
barely a speed bump

>>716242642
TWoW added a CD to Wing Clip because they didn't know what the fuck they were doing with Hunters in PvP, they nuked the efficacy of on-hits because of one of their 10000 Paladin reworks had them able to proc them on demand, which got changed but the item nerfs still stand. God their Paladin boner is so terrible over there.

>>716246460
lol
lmao even

>>716246149
I'm already planning on checking out hunter because the racial changes mean I can play tauren hunter without feeling like I'm missing out on PvP racials. I like the idea of hunter a lot, but I've never given it a fair shot.

>>716246230
As players got better at the game and perfect optimal farming / dungeon farming methods, mage went from a normal class that was mostly associated with PvP (thanks to Vurtne) to THE asocial minmaxing faggot class, not to mention the definitive bot / gold farming class.

>>716245949
thanks anon, i would have killed myself if i had to reinfect myself with the micro$hart virus again

>>716246632
Yeah but this server neutered pretty much all the dungeon farming, mass aoe farming, gold making methods from mage. Now only TRUE mages will play it.

>>716246337
>flying mounts
no

now fuck right off

what causes a grown man to replay the same video game over and over again, ad nauseam?

>>716245609
Blizzard would shut my server down immediately because it's too good

How sweaty is Epoch going to be?
e.g. I love playing Rogue but Rogues are kinda shit in your current Classic meta and I'm wondering if anyone on Epoch is going to care about that.
I just don't wanna be stuck with lolnoraidspot

All enemies 2x hp and damage?
And optional half xp?
Sign me the fuck up

>>716246696
I'm only playing mage because in my older age I no longer can tolerate either tanking or healing for thirdies, I genuinely want to DPS or nothing

>>716246787
I want to play mage because its easy and will still be wanted for dungeons. I like the idea of making portals to save people time. I like making food too..

>>716245864
>he's a fag elf/gypsy player
lol, lmao even

>>716246706
Ask tendies

>>716246696
hold up wait what
tell me more

How is holy paladin for leveling? Never played classic/tbc before and I wanna try a healer.
I was thinking of going priest but I imagine it'll be harder.

>>716246696
>Actually making mages not able to do their signature farms is good and mages love it!

>>716246924
You auto attack to level 40

>>716246934
Yes.

>>716246598
Turtle doesn't seem to care about PVP much at all.
Still 80% of Epoch will be Undead Paladins just like Turtle is 80% Paladins.

>>716246934
>mages should be allowed to have an extreme economic advantage over other classes because they uhhhhhh they just should
>healers and tanks who are always more in demand shouldn't have any advantages like that nor complain about that because theyyyyyy uhhhhh they just shouldn't ok

sorry mage cuck farm like the rest of us

>>716247035
Yes because nerfing mages will make tanks and healers farm faster
Fucking dumbass
Crab in a bucket mentality
>If i cant do it, neither should the other classes!!

>>716246905
Theres too much to write down.
>Most dungeon spots known for mages kiting mobs now have invisible walls or make enemies reset
>Most AoEs are now capped at 10 targets
>Selling boosts is bannable; charging gold for the "service" of having a mage or tank for your run is bannable

>>716246934
I assure you the developers did not create mages and say "Lets make it so this class can kite entire dungeons by hopping up and down ledges."

>>716247141
These are all objectively good changes / policies and anyone who disagrees should just fuck off to ruin Classic for the third time in a row.

>>716247130
>crab in a bucket
Not even close, mage cuck.

>>716246924
Shockadin is the secret sauce, Holy Shock + Vengeance baby

>>716247130
It creates multiple problems
>Everyone is now incentivized to make a mage to farm gold
>Everyone is now spamming chat to buy or sell mage boosts
>Mages ruin the economy by raw gold farming with ease in ways no other class can
>All groups in classic were like 3 mages
Nerfing them makes mage just a normal class played by people who wanna be a mage and not just gold farmers.

>>716247202
>holy shock + vengeance
>leveling
Bro, you can just say you can't read.

>>716246934
I have a mage main in turtle but mage needs some nerfs in classic. turtle has nerfed mage aoe slightly over time and everytime it gets backlash, it's better to just nerf them before the start to not deal with that.

>>716246734
>All enemies 2x hp and damage?
It's nowhere near that, it's a hidden % buff that starts scaling at level 15 and slowly rises with levels, with levels 60 mobs having roughly 20% increased health/damage. Elites, including dungeon mobs, get a bigger boost, but it's still maybe around 30%.

>>716247028
Yeah but those Paladins are at least a problem for both factions. And Turtle cared enough about PvP to nerf Horde racials in PvE using it as a basis (never mind that Alliance was always 2:1 ratio on Horde now it's probably more like 3-4:1 once they nerf Shaman for the 18th time to appease the retards who can't target totems or chain CCs)

>PvE server
Why release the least popular server option? PvE servers are just straight up less fun than PvP servers. They're so close to perfection yet their PvEcuck mentality is kneecapping them, shame.

>>716247430
All the biggest servers in history have been pve

>>716247364
You do realize that taking Vengeance means your first 30 levels is just doing a standard enough ret build

>>716247130
Correct, no class should do it mage cuck. farm like the rest of us.

>>716247184
Yes and your "fix" for the issue is fucking destroying an entire section of mage gameplay and basically cutting their balls of instead of making certain AOE spots less worth their time
Turtle already nerfed lasher farming, which was a great thing, they didnt need to fucking butcher the class in any other way
Mages are supposed to have CONTROL
There is 0 nerfs for hunters in the same vein, they are able to do all sorts of bullshit like fucking KILL A FINAL BOSS OF A 60 DUNGEON SOLO
>>716247319
Mages farm gold and then buy shit from the players
Now there is more gold on the hands of people who cant farm gold as fast as the mages do
Also, like i said, the way to fix the issue isnt to fucking cut the balls off of mages but instead nerf the AOE farming mobs
Nobody gives a shit if a lasher drops less worthwhile loot except the people who relied on it as their only source of income, and those people can move on
Every fucking mage will absolutely hate the fact they cant aoe more than 10 mobs at a time because of some bullshit reason

>>716247319
>Nerfing them makes mage just a normal class played by people who wanna be a mage and not just gold farmers.
this
this is what i want / what i miss
the class was completely perverted by gold farmers, bots, and sweaty minmaxers

>>716247504
That's literally not true, PvP servers have always had the highest populations.

>>716246337
Flying mounts while seemingly cool, are anti-soul because they totally discourage land-based exploration and the pre-existing taxi services which serve to set the pace of WoW. Also a Taxi ride is a perfect time to go for a smoke / piss / grab a snack.

>>716247529
No one cares that mages will hate it mage cuck, farm like the rest of us.

>>716247529
There is no normal gameplay situation in vanilla where you should be fighting more than 10 enemies. It was never intended to happen, and should otherwise mean a wipe.

>>716247529
mages still have control. polymorph is one of the best CCs in the game, they have an amazing AoE root, the best AoE slow in the game, and retain the utility of all of these as long as they're not pulling packs of 10 enemies at a time.

in what normal gameplay situation are you AoEing more than 10 enemies at a time.

>Not just having TBC talents which are perfect
>Undead Paladin
>Tauren Priest
>Private Server without cross faction

Pass.

>>716247141
>>716247529
according to this guy it's exactly what they did innit?

>>716246723
Beta players were chill, but at this point they're like 2% of the population, so fuck knows

>>716247529
No, what happens is everyone makes their own mage alt to farm raw gold and/or sell boosts. I for one am glad the chat wont be 24/7 mage boosting and "Tank LF 3 mages msg go fast pump pump"

>>716247529
Turtle nerfing lasher farming hurt everyone just because Mages were shitbags. Abusing dungeon pathing is not 'a whole section of Mage gameplay' and you can still do perfectly fine AoE pulls in the open world with the 10 target cap on spells.

>>716232320 (OP)
TL;DR it for me.

>>716247737
no

>>716247529
>Mages farm gold and then buy shit from the players
fucking lmao, they sell gold to retailers, directly fueling inflation and promoting shitty gdkp economy

>>716247818
Understandable.

>>716247517
>mage cuck.
Sounds exactly what a cuck would say when he sees a mage kill all the mobs infront of his face

>>716246905
What the fuck is this image? Please explain.

>>716247737
True classic+
FRESH
3.3.5 client
60 billion players registered

>>716247529
i sincerely hope you double down with 10 different people calling you a massive retard. i want to see it.

>>716247876
Not on Epoch mage cuck, back to retail.

>>716247727
>and you can still do perfectly fine AoE pulls in the open world with the 10 target cap on spells.
Yes, completely cucking mages power
10 mobs is nothing and the arbitrary limit breaks immersion
The problem isnt mages, its the mobs themselves, and like you said "abusing dungeon pathing"
What the fuck do you think hunters do in DM:N?

>>716245298
to be fair, it was already a reality back then in frostbolt

>>716247876
>kills all the mobs infrot of you
nothing personnel, kid

>>716247941
esoteric solo hunter dire maul north farming lore

>>716234992
That's every new release video game though.

>>716247130
Its one thing to say "This class has an advantage in crowd control" or "This class is known for being a slightly better tank than the others in raids." but its not okay for one class to be like 10x Solo Leveling(tm) gold farming machines to the point where they ruin economies.

>>716247963
I couldnt give a single shit what 10 thousand of you stupid niggers that dont even play vanilla think about it, my opinion remains unchanged.
You castrated mages because "boo hoo warriors cant make as much money and the chinks are selling gold because the server doesnt do enough to ban them"

>>716247648
I think it is cross faction though.

>>716248049
Go on

Have they made any statements about chinese gold sellers?
My favorite one was maybe kronos or nost where the server hosts (not so) quietly allowed the massive constant bot spam because they got a cut from the sales

>>716248085
>10x Solo Leveling(tm)
Inside dungeons that you can reset, outside you have to compete with people
But yes, lets butcher AOE spells completely because you are mad other classe are making more money than you are
Lets cut away hunter pets hp too and make dungeon mobs immune to FD, people seem to be abusing those things pretty effectively

>>716248108
And it will be the biggest and best server because of it. Turns out rules and law for the good of everyone are important.

>>716248108
what a roundabout way to say you're retarded

>>716246934
>NOOOOOO MY POWERLEVELING STRATS

>>716247975
They're fixing those known locations for hunters too according to the devs in discord

we're going home

>>716247515
So next time when someone asks about leveling Holy, you tell them they shouldn't, and just stick with going full Ret instead of saying something as retarded as BROOOO HOLY SHOCK+VENGEANCE LETS GOOO.

>>716247430
But you can opt into warmode and fight other people who did so, ensuring both participants are always aware of the threat and willing to throw down! (This enrages the wpvp andy for some reason)

>>716248242
you lost mage cuck, you'll have to AOE farm on retail with the chinks, dilating your tranny axe wound in the thread wont change it

>>716248242
There is no realistic situation where someone is fighting more than 10 mobs that isnt some kind of platforming cheese the devs didnt intend as normal gameplay.

>>716247975
They only really abuse pathing when it comes time to kill the King at the end, and Turtle fucked that up for them too by accident by making Cho'rush spam heals in 2/3 of his "class" loadouts without ever OOMing.

>>716248307
Next make dungeon mobs detect stealth better, rogues and druids seem to be enjoying their stealth a bit too much

So what if warriors do 40% more damage than everyone else? No need to nerf warrior just because of that. Simply nerf the mobs that warriors do the most damage against.

>>716248307
fucking what
dire maul farming was a huge part of the hunter experience, it was like a rite of passage. It was fun to even do as a past time since it's by far the most challenging thing gameplay wise in the entire game

>>716248242
>lets butcher AOE spells completely
The spells remain unchanged in intended use cases.

>>716245864
Proofs?

>AIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEE I CANT POWERFARM GOLD AND SELL BOOSTS I'M BEING OPPRESSED
Pathetic.

>>716248406
All chests should have mobs next to them, yes.

>>716248350
Good suggestion, but I don't think I will do that.

So every alli player is going to take horde racials at level 60 right?

How do I play it without getting malware?

>>716232320 (OP)
millenials wasted 1/3 of their garbage soi filled life playing this dogshit mmo about gathering 10 boar asses and pressing i_win.macro lol

>>716248413
Yes im sure blizzard wanted dungeons filled with solo players hopping up and down ledges to bug out their enemy AI, that was the vision.

>>716248368
>you lost mage cuck, you'll have to AOE farm on retail with the chinks
I wont be playing on the shitty WOTLK mod server

>>716248510
>he doesn't want to be a shadowmelded ele shaman laying in wait to nukefuck shitters

>>716247975
>>716248384
Dire Maul North is noteworthy because it's essentially the only form of dungeon farming that doesn't require actual exploits.
Hunters just put their pet on top of a u-shaped path and bounce the mob's aggro between the pet and themselves. This is all actual intended mechanics. There's no evade spots, there's no fucky geometry that causes mobs to repath away. It's literally just normal-ass pathing and normal-ass feign death working 100% as intended.

>>716248534
zoomers spent it transitioning and browsing troon tok thoughever

>>716248510
The new Nelf one is kinda good. If 90% of the server picks orc or troll they might end up nerfing them.

>>716247941
looks like one of those iceberg memes but for dire maul somehow
i recognize a few things like "dm/desolace transition valley", there's a small crater-like area just north of dire maul, right out of bounds on the southern border of desolace, and it has what looks like a road leading into the space where uninstanced dire maul is located

>>716248510
you mean every PvPer is gonna take gnome racial?

>>716248585
Yes, yes abusing pathing is not actually not exploiting!!
Except when mages kill mobs in DM:N ofcourse

>>716248534
Yeah it's pretty great.

>no bro you understand, I ENJOY farming the same instance for 10 hours a day by abusing the pathing AI and safespots that were clearly never intended behavior, and I do it because it helps out the server economy bro
uh huh

A lot of the mobs have new abilities, i didn't check it all or can't remember from beta test 3 but i wouldn't be surprised if popular mage aoe spots are useless due to say southsea pirates or hillsbrad farmers having range abilities, alongside the 10 AOE cap.

It's a good change imo.

>>716248351
Yea cause I can't kill the stinky ally occupying my grind spot, nodes or quest NPCs. Warcraft is supposed to be a war fantasy, not safespace for homos that don't want to interact with other players.

>>716248585
Something doesnt need a bug to be unintended gameplay.

>>716248534
you zoomshit nigger should be great that entertainment media sucks now otherwise you would be hooked up on this shit like rest of us

>>716247184
>>716248545
>>716248665
you should take a break buddy

>>716248732
Sure. But it's not an exploit. That's all.

Im going to play mage and RESPECT THE CONTENT. But please still tip for my portals these runes aint free.

Most people will probably opt into Warmode a) because they wanna pvp and b) you actually get exp through player kills and a bunch of other stuff and exclusive pvp quests to go frag people. Not to mention World Boss spawns will force enable pvp in a zone so both sides have to fight each other for the right to kill the boss.

>>716248424
Yes, in castrated form
>Oh that one dude slipped past your blizzard i guess you just pulled a single mob too many!!! Better be careful
Pulling the most mobs and being able to AOE them is literally the only reason some, i would argue most people enjoy mages
Nobody gives a crap about fire or arcane leveling, its fucking boring trash

Whats this??? A mage having fun with his class??? WE CANT HAVE THAT
CASTRATE
THE
CLASS
NOW!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGvxs80k2gs

>>716248869
the fuck is warmode, you mean /pvp?

>>716248881
Yeah thats skill expression. Every class has the issue of "Did I pull too much?" and even mages should too.

>>716248881
>B-B-BUT IT'S FUN
unfortunately for you, nerfing mages is also fun. so I guess it's your fun against my fun buddy 8^)

>>716232320 (OP)
this is 100% a hoax

>>716248881
that is cringe

ths is based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E5qTujCQxs

>>716248869
>you actually get exp through player kills
dont say that bro I almost came

>>716248413
Dire Maul won't be out on Epoch for a year or 2 anyway. They plan to revamp it.

>>716248937
The opt-in PvP yeah, cause it's a PvE server but there's a lot of incentives to do PvP.

shut the fuck up bouk

>>716249027
anon they already opened the server several times for stress tests

>>716249039

What's the best WoW private server?

For context, I tried Turtle WoW as that's what someone responded with the last time I asked this question and I hated it. The community was absolute dogshit and didn't feel at all like classic WoW.

>>716249031
The courtyard chest now has mobs next to it to prevent hunter/rogue solo cheese

I kinda get the guy's point of view. I main mage since I started playing in 2007 and discovering mage could do that in classic was exhilarating, farming zf to pay for my epic mount is a great memory.
However you can't ignore the late stage classic side effects, every opportunist faggot is gonna reroll and abuse of the potential of the class, if you ask me, those niggers should be castrated, and the class left in peace, but it's not doable.
I don't OTP mage anymore anyway since playing pure DPS in wow is absolute pain

>>716249125
So we Knight Online now, huh?

>>716249118
they probably use those servers to datamine user info or some shit.

why would anyone chose to believe this is going to be anything other than a punch line is beyond me

>>716248413
bro with all due respect, soloing a 5-man dungeon was obviously never intended and is clearly something that should be fixed, regardless of how much you enjoyed it

>>716249232
damn... if only there were some way for hunters to distract mobs while interacting with objects...

>>716249235
Thats just the law of the land anon. If there is an opportunity to get ahead of others, exploit, win, etc people will always take it unless those in control force it away from them.

>>716249125
reads like chatgpt

isnt it a bad sign that their trailer was taken down

Honestly, I've been looking to scratch that "brain off, play WoW" itch again so I'll probably give it a try.
At least for the levelling to 60 nostalgiakino, dealing with extremely mentally ill raid niggers and the third worlders guarding pre-raid BIS mats 24/7 to keep gold sellers in business gets very tiresome but the 5 man instances are pretty cozy.

>>716249296
It's just one boss. Plenty of classes can solo individual bosses, hell, most classes in the game can solo DM:E
>>716249354
It is chatgpt.

>>716232320 (OP)
>vanilla private server
>custom content
Jesus Christ.. is a populated Vanilla Private server too much too ask?
mfw we'll never get nostalrius kino ever again.

>>716249125

Here's the million dollar question.
If the server is going to be 90% male undead ret paladins, what class/spec counters paladins the hardest in TBC?

WotF will be accessible to all, so surely spriest / lock is out.

>>716248694
>helps the server economy
niggers who say this need to be shot. magefags spamming lashers as a 9 to 5 and selling all the greys is one of the worst cash injections that could ever be done in a server and we LITERALLY have fucking classic as proof of this
theres nothing helpful about mages being able to generate 50g or more an hour completely independent of any other player

>>716249031
Yes, hunter pets should have 50% less health and FD should have a 5 minute cooldown and high level elites should have a high chance of resisting it even with talents :)

Thats basically the way the retards would "fix" the issue
Just butcher the class, dont do anything else
Its retarded and speaks volumes of the care people put into developing their server
Like a server that would ban you for bug abusing instead of fixing the bug

why no nightelf warlock :c

>>716249354
Probably, don't really care in this case. It works for stuff like making a selling point IMO.

>>716249282
they have a github, you can go read the code if you're not illiterate

>>716249464
Niggas really talk like this and never ask WHY your boring fucking ass vanilla servers die in a month.

>>716249464
If it's not vanilla+ but pure vanilla i wouldn't be playing since Ret Pala don't have any melee attack ability, and that's my main forevaaaaah!

>private servers
>2010+15
>filled with slav niggers playing undead rogue
>cant afford a 15$ sub
kys

>>716249503
tbf >80% of the gold inflation in classic is from actual literal flyhacking bots who are immune to any semblance of "class balance" so i'm not sure it's such a good example

>>716249464
It's always sold itself as being Vanilla+, where do you guys come from honestly?

>>716249591
>slav niggers playing undead rogue
Bulgars are not slavs, they are tatars :^)

>>716249591
Ill give Blizzard my money when they make a good classic+.

>>716249591

>>716249523
keep seething, magebuck.

>>716249125
>ganking and corpse camping is now significantly rewarded

>>716249591
I’m not paying so that brown tranny troonifornians at blizzard can fart around at their adult daycare fake job all day

>>716249667
That's even worse.

>>716249578
okay play retail then faggot.
>>716249585
You don't know how to play Ret.

>>716249736
just dont turn on PvP bro

>>716249464
people got vanilla out of their system with Classic back in 2019 lil bro

move on already

>>716249464
I don't know why anyone still wants to play 1.12.

>>716249125
Hello, I come from the future.
2 hours after the server launches, people are abusing this feature by just forming res orgies at graveyards.
It gets "fixed" by just making the exp meaningless so the feature essentially stops existing.

Why are people so scared of custom style content anyways? Are you that afraid of the unknown, to not be in control? Is the possibility that your game knowledge will fail you fill you with dread? That's good, it's what makes you feel alive.

>>716249806
but i wanna play vanilla. tongue my anus content consoomer fag

>>716249523
>hunter pets should have 50% less health
Shit.
>FD should have a 5 minute cooldown
Shit.
>high level elites should have a high chance of resisting it even with talents
Shit.
>high level elites should have a chance of resisting it even depending on the amount of player targets in their aggro list, so it works as intended in full party and 5 time worse solo
Real deal. Kneel, epochmonkeys.

>>716249853
mostly the fact that the custom content inevitably ends up being of objectively low quality
just because it's new doesn't mean it's automatically good

>>716249875
>calling anyone a consoomer when he wants to just slurp up more of the same shit

>>716249853
Because the custom content is just talents and skills ripped from WOTLK and nothing unique or well thought out

>>716249875
there are a trillion of vanilla servers bro, go and play them instead of bitching here

>>716249850
organized battleground manipulation is a core part of classic

>>716249932
Always a possibility but Turtle WoW seems to be mostly fine with its new content so I'll be mildly optimistic about Epoch.

>>716249667
>>716249689
>>716249696
>>716249747
id rather pay 15$ a month to interact with normal people (AKA not slavs or brownoids) the fact that these servers are F2P makes these already violence proned people to act like literal monkeys. at least when you're playing on blizz servers ppl are afraid to lose time + money they invested in wow.

>>716249178
Turtle community is chill and pug friendly, sounds like someone said nigger and got banned.

>>716250021
Oh you've played all the new content?

>>716250084
turtle doesn't even ban you for saying it they just mute you for a few days

>>716249875
most people want new things, new content, because it's stimulating. not everyone is a goldfish like you who can do the same thing over and over forever and never get bored

>>716250046
It really isn't. Their custom 5mans are so abysmally garbage nobody even wants to run them, their custom PvP battleground was DoA, the only thing that really "works" is class balance changes, which are... hard to judge objectively, as you'll see from this thread

Which professions are you homosexuals going?

>>716249932
Some of it yeah. Upper Kara in TWoW has some great boss fights. The mod scene for WoW has gotten better.

>>716250075
You should be thankful these servers exist then as they're keeping those people away from you. Why are you so upset, little guy?

>>716250075
you clearly have never played wow for any significant length

>>716249498
every ranged class and even most melees can absolutely clown on the average fotm ret reroller so ill just give some general advice
>freedom doesnt mean shit if they cant close the gap between you in the first place, stay out of both melee range and repentance range and theyre just target dummies you kite around
>while they can cleanse poison/disease/magic debuffs they cant do shit about mana burns, if youre a hunter hide your viper sting behind something like scorpid poison and they crumple
>their only threat comes from basic ass white hits because nobody in 2025 knows how to seal twist, seal of blood does a fuckload of damage but also harms them, take advantage of it
>paladin player IQ is probably in the single digits, maybe, so they will certainly never have weapon chains attached and thus completely fold to disarms
>assume they will bubble at the first sign of taking any real damage, save any cooldowns for after their inevitable bubble into 5 holy lights
>since ret pallies always use big dumb slow weapons their damage ends up being completely predictable, even with crits, just space your heals out or laugh in their faces if youre a druid. if they cant burst you down their threat level tanks
>despite getting pushback protection they never actually talent into it or aura swap to concentration aura so fast attacks and kicks will shut down not only their heals but even their seals and buffs as well due to being holy school

>>716250075
>id rather pay 15$ a month to interact with normal people (AKA not slavs or brownoids)
Me too, if that actually kept them out, but it doesn't so if I'm going to be playing with browns either way then I would prefer that the game be better

>>716249853
>Are you that afraid of the unknown, to not be in control?
Yes, the mere though of not having an addon tell them exactly where to go and what do at all times, and a guide telling them what talents and items to get and how to play their class optimally fills them with unspeakable dread.

>>716250226
herba+alch, they need those lotions

>>716249282
>reddit spacing
>clueless drone punching shadows
Every time kek

>>716250226
skinning and herbing as is dictated by law...

>>716250118
It doesnt matter what content there is
The fact is that they spent so little time designing and creating custom skills that i think the custom content will just be copypasted too
Also, who cares if the custom content is truly custom, if the basic gameplay is still the same

>>716250293
freudian slip

>>716249591
>just PAY fucking blizzshart BRO?!
>for a worse version of a game btw
You golems have no self-awareness, at all

>>716250219
Wot the custom 5 mans get run all the time. They are a bit jank though besides Gilnaes City.

>>716232320 (OP)
Don't you tell me that they made nearly all possible race/class combos, and not the most important/fun/reasonable one, and the only one I would swap my undead ret pala for (pic rel)?!?!1

>>716250226
Tailoring, then either enchanting or one of the gathering proffs as a side hustle.

>>716249736
>100 xp per kill is "significantly"
You do know about exp/honor DRs, right?
And you do realize it was already rewarded, right?

>>716249498
spriests still fuck paladins in the ass no matter if their fear is removed or not
Unless ret palas can actually do damage like an arms warrior it wont matter
Spriests are very fucking AIDS

>>716250409
>i'm not paying for SHIT blizzard puts out
>i'd rather play with subhumans who dont even speak english
enjoy trying to speak with these subhumans when you're doing group content.

>>716250442
Trollock > Yifftroll

>>716246924
Priest is just wand, wand, wand, wand, forever. Outside of dungeons/groups.

>>716250509
>instantly spergs out about made-up boogeymen
I'm already in English-speaking guild, though
Cope

which classes have a way to drop out of combat?

>>716250430
It took me several days to be able to find a single group for the fulborg dungeon and I can't even tell you what the fuck it was about because
>all trash drops ZERO loot and gives ZERO xp
>all trash is skippable
>which is what everyone does
>in fact, everything is skippable
>which is what everyone does
>the entire dungeon layout is janky ass hill brushes that you can just walk around and pull mobs through walls
>which is what everyone does
Then when I got to 60 I was told I would just never be able to find a group for stormwind dungeon because nobody runs it, fucking ever, because of how shitty the dungeon is and how it has zero loot. And lo and behold, I could never put together a single group.

>>716250442
I want (Wildhammer) Dwarf Druids, with beards and braids on their bear and cat forms.

>>716250608
>I'm already in English-speaking guild, though
>Cope
>we're all gonna magically level as one hivemind moving as one and i'm not actually going to interact with anyone during the gorillion group quests around the world
nigger.

>>716250632
the uninstall wizard

>>716250632
>drop out of combat
In which way specifically?
Rogue -> Vanish
Hunter -> Faign Death
Pala -> Bubble
Nelf -> Shadowmeld
FMage -> Ice Block


But only Rogue's Vanish works to lose aggro unless dot tick'd

>>716250656
>all trash drops ZERO loot and gives ZERO xp
>stormwind dungeon because nobody runs it, fucking ever, because of how shitty the dungeon is and how it has zero loot.
wait seriously? they put in custom dungeons but then dont put any loot in them? why did they think that is okay?

>>716250632
rogue with vanish or blind
hunter with feign death
mage with sheep
paladins with bubble kinda

>Classic with lazy TBC talent trees/PVP and Wotlk QOL/spell books
Truly innovative and totally not another cash grab that will be dead within 6 months.
Wait for Conquest of Azeroth.

>>716250797
i meant drop aggro like vanish yeah

>>716250745
AHAHAHA okay WOW!! That was so smooth! "the Uninstall Wizard"?? Absolute comedy. 10/10, anon. you dropped the mic. Honestly, I think the devs need to nerf that level of wit before the rest of us get crit for emotional damage!

>>716250820
kek, you're fucking shaking dude.

>>716249850
1. People will exploit it
2. But how does this actually affect me? I mean, if someone else wants to ruin the experience for themselves by farming honorable kills to 60, does that really matter? I'm taking the -50% XP option anyway.

>>716250820
>Wait for Conquest of Azeroth
It's classless = puke
Maybe their Bronzebeard would be ok, but we'll see

>>716236183
The devs arent gay alli loving trannies

>>716250848
I'm glad you liked it.

>>716250802
yes anon they made dungeons that reward zero exp and have no loot tables at all, they're that antagonistic

>>716250820
>calls epoch a cashgrab
>shills for a server you literally have to pay for

>>716250802
Half of the overworld custom mobs that they added drop zero loot, too. They created a whole ass questing zone that nobody quests in because the mobs DON'T FUCKING DROP ANYTHING

>>716250837
Faign Death of Hunter 'can' work, since it can be resisted by mobs, but has high success rate all the time.

>>716250881
>It's classless = puke
why do you talk about things you don't know anything about?

What happened to those single player WoW project threads on /v/? The ones with Azerothcore?

>>716249893
i like that idea

>>716250968
Oh, it's the other one, with CUSTOM classes = overvomits

>>716250656
It took me several days to be able to find a single group for the gnoem dungeon and I can't even tell you what the fuck it was about because
>all trash drops ZERO loot and gives ZERO xp
>all trash is skippable
>which is what everyone does
>in fact, everything is skippable
>which is what everyone does
>the entire dungeon layout is janky ass hallways and pits you can just walk around and pull mobs through walls
>which is what everyone does
Then when I got to 60 I was told I would just never be able to find a group for any BRD run that isn't emp skip because nobody runs it, fucking ever, because of how shitty the dungeon is and how it has zero loot. And lo and behold, I could never put together a single group.

>>716249850
>After every PvP death, player gets a stackable debuff, reduces XP reward for his kill by 50% (multiplicative) for each stack. Last 30 minutes.
>When the player is resurrected (either way), it has another debuff with 100 stacks. Each stack reduces XP reward for his kill by 1% (addictive, up to 100% i.e. 0XP). These stacks decay at 1 per second rate.
Gee that was hard. I'm sure even r*sskies are not so dumb they can't come up with something as simple as this.

>shitposting and "dude who wants custom content 1.12 is peak" posting picks up in the days leading up to launch
Curious.

>BRD
>zero loot
kek get a load of this retard

>didn't know this existed until now
>suddenly excited to play
ffs

>>716251079
Ironically I had no problem finding groups for gnomeregan and BRD
Even in the "custom content" server people prefer vanilla, lol

This just shows that Turtle is quantity while Epoch is quality. Creating good custom content takes time.

>>716250979
God I wish human females were real.

>>716251145
come home greenskin

>>716250656
I have ran it like twice each time i leveled.
Funny you say the loot is trash because i have heard people complain some of it is overtuned. It has a weapon similar to WW Axe but just 4 levels higher requirement. Has a like 15 SP Arcane trinket that's good for for Arcane Mage/Boomy for a while too from what i remember.

SMV gets ran all the fucking time, i ran it probably 10 times until i got the 3% cast speed trink with mount speed increase.

>>716250802
He is talking shit.

>>716251107
>I'm sure even r*sskies are not so dumb they can't come up with something as simple as this.
you severely overestimate the intellect and capability of private server developers by a factor of ten

>Managed to grab both nicks I used on privs over the years before I was forced to swap on retoilet because they were taken
Nice.

>>716251175
You haven't even seen it yet.

So just to check. Mages will still be in demand for general normal dungeon gameplay and raids right? They just won't be something everyone makes to farm gold.

>>716234045
If you're still here, I've been planning on playing SPP and got Azerothcore all setup from a repack here >>715343762. It had Individual Progression module by default, but do I need to change anything for
>classic professions and mobs and world bosses and quests (including removed class quests) and items and stats for both vanilla and TBC while still having WotLK content available
?
Any other recommended changes?

>>716251263
I've played the earlier betas for Epoch and ran the revamped deadmines and wailing caverns.

>>716251270
Correct, they still do food, portals, dps, int buff, polymorph, and AOE damage, they will still be in demand.

>>716250442
No troll druid forms exist, I think that's the problem

>>716251201
Sounds like they might've changed the loot and people actually run it now? I seriously doubt they fixed the janky as fuck terrain and how every mob is a tank and spank though.

>>716247529
Make the water, you glorified vending machine.

>>716250250
Thank you, mommy.
>>716250489
Thank you, daddy.

I'm leaning towards shaman / hunter / lock / priest so this is all good advice. Also been reading up on Dreamstate resto druid which sounds supra cool. A healer that can moonlight as moderate dps in a leveling / dungeon setting is very appealing.

>>716251270
People still want mages it just wont be the "3 mages pumpers only" style meta

>>716251356
>He doesn't know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkxhXTyMx4Y

>>716251327
>deadmines
>wailing caverns
>custom content

>>716251175
Eh depends. If you think all of Epoch will be like DM/WC rework prepare to lower your standards.

>>716251440
read the post again

>>716251440
missed a word there retard-kun, try again

>>716251431
Those cats ones would look hilariously out of place

>>716251327
Why are they revamping the only good 5man in the game?

>>716251440
Yeah you clearly didnt see them and its funny that you said that to me. Those two dungeons might as well be entirely new and having nothing in common with the original besides the names of the bosses.

>DW enhance in classic
>when windfury will always make 2h the best
so let me get this straight, they are nerfing enhancement shaman even more than it already was in classic are you fucking retarded

>>716251462
Its not, but neither is/was Turtle. Over time they will overhaul and add more leveling dungeons not just max level stuff.

>>716251517
It changes skin color with main model hair color

>>716251247
But this time it will be different, that's for sure.

>>716251286
Just open config/modules/individualProgression.conf file in notepad, it has detailed description for all the possible options. There's not much, because most of the things should be already set out of the box, when you setup the server, which I assume this repack did, otherwise there's no point. Like these vanilla values, unless whoever did this repack changed some of them for some dumb reason.

>>716251473
>>716251514
>>716251538
>deadmines
>wailing caverns
>custom content

>>716251270
You probably won't see spellcleave groups.

>Warrior already being the most broken class in game
>Now they get fucking bladestorm
Lmao wtf were they thinking? All other classes get some random TBC garbage but arms gets BS?
Also retri looks like dogshit, even worse than in TBC which was already a meme in PVE. Their crusader strike deals less dmg than vanilla TBC version.

>>716251617
you definitely will see reputation farming spell cleaves at max level if warlocks have seed of destruction

>>716251585
They don't have plans for any non 60 content in the future.

>>716251635
>Their crusader strike deals less dmg than vanilla TBC version
That's true and it's sooo dumb. The ONLY strike, it should stood at 110%, even shammy got instant stormstrike aha 100% wep dmg

>>716251286
Oh, and the only Individual Progression feature I turned off was reduced vanilla stack sizes because holy shit. But it's a pain in the ass to roll them back if they're already applied, so good luck with that.

>>716251635
warrior is only broken in PvE with world buffs
in PvP they're like B tier at best, if they're geared

>>716251723
The "future" is more than just one year. This is going to be the new Turtle for the next decade.

>>716251770
>trust the plan

Are they tweaking tier sets at all? TBC talents are okay but if itemization is still dogshit like vanilla then what's the point

>>716251762
>in PvP they're like B tier at best, if they're geared
Thats only because no one wanted to play gnome

>>716251863
yes obviously
even 0.5 has a bunch of new shit, check the website

>>716251762
Bladestorm literally negates any of the issues warriors had. They're S tier in Wotlk and this will be basically Wotlk without resilience.

>>716251885
thats a good point
also everyone can have escape artist now

>>716251904
I see nothing about item changes on their website

>>716251863
Tier sets are TBC like, with token drops and tank/damage/healer variants depending on class.

I read they're "aggressively" cracking down on boosting but I want to dial in what this actually means. If I level faster than my friends do, what's the level cutoff for what's considered boosting? I don't want to get fucked because one of my friends doesn't play as often as the rest of us and I want to get them up to speed with the group

>>716251593
>>716251750
Alright, thanks, I'll take a look

Notice how the shitflinging slowed down the moment the thread his 500 replies? Turtle devs are handing out donation tokens for anti epoch shilling. Just message the right people to get in on it

>>716251980
9 levels or some such. They also nuked everyone's ability to solo dungeons.

>>716251980
they probably mean specifically mages and paladins aoe farming dungeons with low levels in the group, thats what most people consider boosting

>>716251980
You clearly have no idea what boosting even means so I doubt you'll have anything to worry.

>>716251610
Brown

>>716251591
Way too high quality, my man

>>716252190
>>716252219
Thanks bros

>>716252228
I know what boosting traditionally means but the way it was worded sounded like it would be a wider net than what *I* think boosting is. I'm worried about their definition of boosting; not mine.

Are they implementing resilience on pvp gear?

>>716251980
Theres a feature where if you tag a mob that is grey, nobody gets exp for it. But obviously if someone is going around doing this purposefully they will get banned.

Ultimately the worst part about MMOs now is every community is dogshit. This all sounds like it would be really fun if I could play with the people that played MMOs 20 years ago.

>>716252447
>You'll be able to purchase brand new PvP specialized gear from vendors in Stormwind and Orgrimmar, allowing you to use your spoils from the battlefield to armor yourself up. These sets of gear include a new stat we call "PvP Defense" which reduces your damage taken from other players and those players' pets. With the release of new PvP Seasons, new gear will be available to purchase!

>>716252447
I think there's some equivalent but it's not exactly resilience. It might just be damage reduction instead of damage and crit reduction.

>>716252478
Excellent, thanks anon

>>716252447
No, basically TBC itemization. I just hope they don't fucking ruin PVP by forcing you to grind arenas as the only viable way of obtaining conquest points.

>>716232320 (OP)
watching this video, i don't really understand the different between assassination and combat? they both just seem like straightforward dps specs, why wouldn't you just pick the one that does more damage?

>>716251770
They don't see the point of new non 60 content.

>>716252585
>>716252605
>>716252772
Sounds cool, pvp without resilience is aids

>>716252882
Devs have already said they have plans for new leveling content, just not in the immediate future

>>716252910
I love how you gay retards are baited by another cashgrab server. PVP will literally have resilience gear.
https://www.project-epoch.net/news/lets-talk-pvp/

>>716252802
Ass only use daggers, improves poisons, and attack the target from the behind. Combat use slow weapons like sword, axes and mace and usually the best spec for leveling due to weapon usage versatility and no relying on ramp damage like poison or bleeds

>>716252802
If you play ass rogue your only competition for weapon loot is other rogues

>dual spec is 1k gold
how am i gonna make that much?!

Just downloaded it, I'll either enjoy this a lot or figure out some single player gimmick with Azerothcore

>>716253509
So only 50% of the server, nice

>>716253594
Erp