Thread 716254778

>be me, zoomer
>play PC shooter from the 90s/early 2000s
>there is no checkpoint system
>only way to not have to start the entire level over again when you die is to quicksave

So, uh, how am I supposed to approach this? There's nothing stopping me from just placing a quicksave every time I make the smallest bit of progress. Not only that, since these games have a limited amount of healing per level, it seems like you're rewarded for retaking every little gunfight if you take a bit too much damage, at the risk of getting to a point in the level where you're at low health with no healing available. The obvious problem is that saving optimally makes the game easy and boring. Did people just savescum their way through these games back in the day, or is there some way to balance the challenge?

Just go off of vibes.

My approach is
>If it's been enough time
>If the fight was hard enough
>Any sort of story that stops the game
You'll also find a lot of those games do probably have a handful of auto saves as well, though not always

>>716254778 (OP)
Sounds like your autistic ass is gonna have a lot of fun on this mission.

>>716254924
This
just do vibe gaming

>>716254778 (OP)
i try to not abuse saves but if i keep dying i am going to do it

>>716254778 (OP)
This isn't a real thread
You're not a zoomer

Save at the start of every mission, if it doesn't already. Give each mission a few honest tries. If that doesn't work, start giving yourself conservative checkpoints.

>>716254778 (OP)
Yeah, you have to replay levels a hundred of times, that's real fun.

>>716254778 (OP)
If a classic FPS like Doom, I just try the level first without saves unless the enemy count is above 300. If I die, then I'll start to save more just for time's sake.
I last played map 32 of Eviternity. Yeah it's possible to do that without saving but it's not worth it.

>>716255378
Yes I am, I'm 22, literally born after the Max Payne 2 was released

>>716254924
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>>716255887
But how do you get a sense of achievement out of it? If you just increase the frequency of saves until it's forgiving enough for you to make your way through, wouldn't that be kind of like opening the console and giving yourself invincibility or infinite ammo?

>>716254778 (OP)
Fucking zoomers lmfao
They need to be told how to do every little thing. Like little children that don’t know if what they are doing is ok and are scared of punishment. How pathetic. Horrible way to go through life.

the way people used to play games was to desire a challenge out of the games and out of themselves. you're not watching a movie. it's an interactive experience. you need to desire more out of your experiences. you're supposed to think "that wasn't good enough" or "i could do that section again without taking damage." you absolutely should be able to handle a game like max payne without saving. your dodge roll has all I-frames. you can literally beat this game melee only without taking damage.

now just imagine playing this game originally on the PS2 with the loading times, dying was a big mistake.

>>716256317
PC gamers are turbo casuals anon, this is known. If you're a zoomed you probably weren't around for the hissy fits being thrown when Dark Souls came out for PC

>>716256317
Idk lmao

>>716256317
I referenced fanmade content which is generally balanced around manual saving with some individual levels that can last hours.
Something like Max Payne 1 or 2 are on training wheels until you play on DOA, which limits mid-mission saving. Classic Hitman limits saves on all difficulties, etc.

>>716256449
>you're supposed to think "that wasn't good enough" or "i could do that section again without taking damage."
The necessary conclusion to this line of thinking is speedrunning, I myself do not partake

>>716254778 (OP)
whats your question? you play the game by playing it and saving when youre allowed to save and not saving when youre arent presented with an option to save. why is that confusing? thats just how games worked back then. if you die, you go back to your last checkpoint and retry. whats the confusion? that saving doesnt work like it does in modern games? are you aware of the passage of time and change? you sound like a literal brainless thoughtless NPC who is unable to comprehend a time that existed other than the present

>>716256317
The beauty of saving is that the difficulty is in your hands. You can only save once and do a full run, iron man style or save every ten seconds.

>>716254778 (OP)
holy autism. maybe find a different hobby

>>716256467
Reminder that the Vanquish infinite overdrive mod has 1,000 unique downloads. The all-time peak playercount on PC is just under 2,500, which means approximately 40% of the PC playerbase could not play the game without infinite bullet time

>>716256840
>by playing it and saving when youre allowed to save and not saving when youre arent presented with an option to save
You can save anytime, are you saying i should just create a macro that in[puts F5 240 times a second?

>>716254778 (OP)
These things worked off honor and replayability.
The game hopes you're not a little bitch, and the game is good enough it expects you'll play it again.

>>716257135
>The game hopes you're not a little bitch, and the game is good enough it expects you'll play it again.
Okay but how often are you supposed to save in order not to be a little bitch

>>716257024
Damn you're fucking retarded bro

>>716254778 (OP)
Just save whenever you feel like saving.

>>716257132
are you wanting to use save states or play the game as intended? i guess if you want to use save states then save as much as you want. if you want the play the game as it was back in the day then only save when the original software allows you do. you mentino your game has no checkpoint system. okay, thats how millions of peopl who played and beat this game had it back when it was new. git gud and stop dying so much? if you cant handle it, then use your save states

>the concept of having the power to save at any time is so foreign to the zoomer that he has a panic attack by merely thinking about when the right time to save is
As the kids says: It's not that deep, lil bro.

>>716257212
After clearing a building or big room.

>>716257337
>if you want the play the game as it was back in the day then only save when the original software allows you do
I think you fundamentally misunderstood what the thread is about. This is in reference to games where the save system is *only* quicksaving and quickloading, which is functionally the same as what you're calling savestates. These games have no checkpoints, dedicated save terminals, etc. It's savestates or get booted back to the start of the game

>>716254778 (OP)
Self control and having to think on your own really does scare your generation, doesn't it?

>>716254924
I also enjoy gaming with a vibrator. Hope that helps.

>>716254778 (OP)

Maybe gayming isn't for you anon

>>716257420
Chat is this real

>save every few rooms
>maybe reload if I suddenly screw up gunfight real bad
Otherwise Max Payne just isn't worth savescumming in because it's not that hard, you can get by with less healing items.

MP2 especially gives you ample time and opportunity to react to every gunfight, you shouldn't be getting screwed over often.

>>716254778 (OP)
I always just make a save at the beginning of stages.

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>>716258471
None of this is answering the question by the way

>>716256317
the game should do something to make you want to get through it like on devil may cry you get a worse score if you use items

>vibe coding
>vibe gaming
Vibe is going to be next new thing isn't it

>>716258719
They are right. The right choice is this
>>716257283
>>716257420
but this gives problems to people without self-control.
It's a single player game, you can play as you please, there's separate challenge modes in the game for pure skill checking. If playing as you please makes you neurotically save constantly you either have a problem or you seriously suck at the game.

>>716254778 (OP)
ok, anon ill give you step by step instructions
>1. dont be a faggot
>2. kys
>3. (alternative) just play the fucking game faggot

>>716257229
this nigga is eating crayons as we speak holy shit

>>716254778 (OP)
I personally never do mid-level saves because I play on Easy for a first playthrough and then bump it up with each succeeding playthrough.
>how am i supposed to approach this?
Have an ultimate goal for which you will consider a game "beaten". View the game as something to master over time if you're feeling like savescumming is cheating. Some possible suggestions for being able to mark a game as beaten:
>beat it without mid-level saves (when you die, accept that you'll be starting over from a previous chapter)
>beat it on the hardest difficulty
>beat it without dying once
You could even do a combination. Whatever feels right to you. Ultimately though, if you don't want to savescum but you're dying all the time, you should be playing on an easier difficulty. Don't play a game on Hard and then be shocked it's hard. 99% of the time, it's not bad game design, you're just inexperienced with the game's mechanics.

>>716256467
Youre a fucking moron
Go play Quake 2 and see who's the casual

Man I swear this board gets worse and worse every day when people as dumb shit as you fuck post here

>>716256317
>But how do you get a sense of achievement out of it?
If game has quicksave option then you sort of figure that out on your own. There's really nothing to bitch about and you could probably imagine how any anon is going to reply to you if come up with some kind of complaint which you've done twice now.
>don't wanna start the level over
>wants sense of achievement
>doesn't understand this guy >>716254924
Probably no real point in talking to you.

>>716256317
i think there's nothing wrong savescumming to the start of a boss fight in something like castlevania. i get that people would have a problem with doing it every hit or for phases but backtracking a level you've already done is just fucking boring

>>716258719
You need to figure out your own definition of what's fair. To me, having quicksaves is the equivalent of a VHS tape picking up right where you left off. It's meant to be used for when you're done with a play session. Anything besides that is savescumming.
>but there's nothing stopping me
Yeah, there's also nothing stopping you from hacking the game or beating it with cheats. If it's not that, it'll be something else your mind comes up with to invalidate a playthrough. You gotta be your own boss.

To every argument in this thread:
"You didn't beat the game"

What will you do once those 6 words come out?

>>716254778 (OP)
Escape key <> Manual save every 10 minutes

>>716254778 (OP)
Most games from that era have checkpoints. I would argue that Max Payne 2's chapters are checkpoints. It only takes about 15 minutes to complete a chapter, you know.

>>716254778 (OP)
>only way to not have to start the entire level over again when you die is to quicksave
>when you die
I see your problem. Git gud faggot!

>>716260107
thats not save scumming you retard, if you save before an encounter its just saving

>>716261021
Nobody can answer this

>be me, zoomer
Worthless thread

>>716258719
I wasn't trying to help you, I was trying to insult you and your retarded generation.

>>716264339
Based

>>716260107
The game was designed with the fact you were backtracking the entire level in mind. Most of actually playing a game like Castlevania comes from learning the levels, enemies and coming up with tactics to do them efficiently

>>716257024
>PCflats needed a trainer to play fucking VANQUISH
>when they have access to M&KB and people were beating the game on God Hard with sticks when the game doesn't even have aim assist

>>716254778 (OP)
>be me
Who the fuck else would you be?