How do I learn the numbers?

Guess randomly until you develop the instinct for where mines are placed

What game can let me know how to solve this? Every puzzle up to this point the numbers were fill in the blank after you solved the bombs, but now I have to solve for the numbers and I no frame of reference for how to derive the numbers.

>>716282205 (OP)
By applying the rules. This is a great stage for showing off your mastery of rule 6.

>>716282205 (OP)
fail game

>>716282205 (OP)
What game is this

>>716282917
Every time I try using that rule it ends in a bunch of guesswork that screws me in the end. I learned my lesson, no guesswork. and now I'm screwed because I have no logic to begin this with.

>>716282972
Truth Nuke

>>716282205 (OP)
Sparkles have to be connected to a cat. They can't just exist in their own little hole.

>>716283043
There's a wall directly in front of every cat. Use that to finish the puzzle.

>>716283849
How are you supposed to come to this conclusion though?

Nobody has the balls to put a mega link up
women

Is it fun?

>>716284145
It's addicting till you get totally stuck.

>>716282205 (OP)
I'm losing my mind at the one at the end of the third row, the one with one cat and bomb pair in a column close to the left, one 8 wall column, a 2 wall column to its immediate right, and a bunch of question mark rows and columns. The 3 wall rows keep fucking me over.

>>716284079
NTA and I don't remember my solution for that puzzle exactly, so idk if that anon really meant to say "there's a wall in the cell to the immediate right of each cat" or not, but you're supposed to know each crystal has to be defended from the bomb in its row by at least one wall.

>>716284537
Obviously, but how on earth are you supposed to use the numbers to determine where that wall should be?

>>716284637
One good idea for that puzzle is to fill out the 8, 7, and 7 wall rows. then adjust a bit from there. that's one of the ones you can sorta brute force that way. you're basically trying to figure out if the unbroken chain of X's is going to go above the wall in front a cat or under it.

>>716284876
>the unbroken chain of X's is going to go above the wall in front a cat or under it.
unbroken chain of X's from the crystal to the cat and bomb is going to go above the wall in front of the cat, or under it

>>716284876
If I try to brute force it I won't learn anything.

>>716284637
Diamonds can't be walled off alone, there has to be a space next to each of them.
6 walls fill the rest of the 9th column
Repeat for the 8th column
Put known spaces in the 7th column
There has to be a wall between a bomb and a diamond
The rest should follow

>>716282205 (OP)
where da gb rom at

>>716282205 (OP)
Remember zoning laws
Those bombs and monsters need a direct passage to those crystals

>>716284268
I'm going crazy

I hate it when you reach a point in a puzzle where you have to start guessing. Especially since there isn't any rollback button to undo the past several moves you've made.

>>716282205 (OP)
brainlet detected. realise that the space immediately in front of the diamonds need to be empty

>>716289778
>have to start guessing
Unironic skill issue.

>>716284268
>>716289723
Just beat it and it didn't even feel crazy. I think I honestly could've just solved it on the first try if I'd arbitrarily decided to experiment with walls in certain positions rather than others.

>>716290210
>clearly a first row fag
>telling anyone else they have a skill issue

>>716289723
Post where you got stuck. I remember being stumped until I had my eureka moment.

This game is so smart
If anyone tries pirating this game they have to go to shady websites literally asking for logic bombs

>>716290324
It was the last one on the third row. Took very long until I just tried something different and then it just solved. Then just a minute ago I opened up the first one on the fourth row and solved it in fifteen seconds first try.

>>716290580
You shouldn't need to try anything. You know your solution is correct because it is.

>>716290323
Whatever makes you feel better about yourself, brainlet.

Can someone catbox the Gameboy rom? I don't want to get up to buy it on my PC and move it over. I WILL buy it though, maybe.

>>716291048
It's been done in an earlier thread

help

>>716291963
Even 0 bombs can't be isolated.

>>716292008
thanks, i keep forgetting about that one

Don't like rhayvhalf the time of every puzzle is spent just counting. It's weird to me that Matt of all people would waste the players time with such a meaningless activity. There's nothing interesting or logically challenging about counting, it's just waste of time tedium. Either he's dumb or he literally didn't include and indicator because on original Gameboy without colour there was no way left to implement the numbers changing colours/shading

>>716284121
It was posted in the first thread that was up
Look in the archive for "It's up" or something

>down to last three rows
the algebra shit was more interesting than i expected

>>716291963
No seriously what game is this? I’m not a smelly pajeet so you can tell me

>>716292751
logic bombs

>>716292808
thank you! I wish I could give you some sloppy toppy but I’m not gay

>>716291963
i don't get how people use this filter, way harder on the eyes than the "pc" one

>>716292279
i can't tell whether you have too much or too little autism for this game

>>716292332
It was only the gbc rom, dumbass.

>>716290750
I can tell you watch jacob geller videos and cry, you faggot.

>>716291963
That's one of the easy ones. Just did it a few minutes ago. You can do like 80% of the board without having to take any risks, just off of direct cause and effect. Then for the last 20% of the cells I recommend taking a photo of the 80% completed grid so you can plug walls in here and there without having to do the whole thing over again if a particular orientation doesn't work. He really should add an undo button.

Okay I'm in one of the ones in the fourth row, it's one of the sigma grids, and the totals listed are 41 and 34, but that'd make the Q rows and columns zeroes, and that doesn't make sense because there's all these triple bombs in the columns that need a wall to break them up. what the fuck?

>>716294113
Why would it make them zeroes?

>>716294113
post screenshot?

>>716294296
I guess I misunderstood the purpose of the sigma grids. I'd assumed (and the puzzles where they've shown up so far didn't do anything to dispel this notion) that if you've got eight columns with their numbers listed, and two that are question mark columns, that the sigma would be the sum of those 8 known columns and the two Q ones. so you'd have to keep in mind the sum of the walls in the Q columns. If that's not it then what's the purpose of listing the sigma value?

I don't have the row sigma and column sigma switched up either. The known rows add up to 34, and that's the listed sigma value for the rows. The known columns add up to 41, and that's the listed sigma value for the columns.

>>716294512
Home wifis bugging out for some weird reason. Had to take a photo instead. Honestly good, for some reason this game takes like 5 minutes to start up because it keeps freezing on startup even though it's like 18mb and I built my pc with a 4090 strix and 13900k.

>>716294659
The totals of the columns is the total number of walls, which has to equal to total of the rows. The sigmas are there so you don't need to add them up manually. If it didn't display the sigmas, you could still solve it.

If you look at 4-3, the sigma for the rows equals the sum of the known columns, but one of the columns is non-zero.

>>716294905
Oh duh. Of course it has to add up to the same amount it's a closed square grid. Thanks for answering either way. I need to lie down and rest clearly.

>>716294840
ah i see. i don't remember if it applies to this puzzle specifically, but if you have ? on both rows and columns then the sigmas can be dynamic. like if the rows have 10 more walls than columns initially and you add a wall to a ? row, then now you account for there being a difference of 11

>>716294840
>for some reason this game takes like 5 minutes to start up because it keeps freezing on startup
weird, haven't had that issue at all with a 3070 and i5

>>716295574
I think the thing that tripped me up, besides the fact that I'm insanely tired, is that the question marks being listed right among the numbers, in the same colour as the numbers, the same font, the same everything, just gives you that initial assumption that they're included with the known numbers in the sigma. And when you realize they aren't it makes you pause for a moment. Of course if you think about it for a second you realize both columns and rows need to add up to the same total cuz it's all the same walls, but it just seems like the kind of thing Matt would critique in one of his own videos for not giving the question marks a slightly different colour or something. It's a total non-issue logically speaking, just a little hiccup visually (doubly so when you're tired).

>>716295778
yeah the first couple puzzles with ? marks i basically just ignored them and the solution just worked, i didn't really think about how the sigma totals interplayed with them until (i assume?) later than intended

Bump

>>716282205 (OP)
Bump

>>716295778
I believe the first puzzle with sigmas has +'s above every row except the ?'s for that reason

I hate that feeling so much

Also, a lot of the puzzles from the 9th row seem to fall in the "trial and error" category. Like when you have 3 possibilities and none of them can be disproved. You just have to try the one that lets you advance immediately but there's still a leap in logic at one point in the process.

>Hates having to think about math in videogames
>Halfway through the game he starts setting up 5th grade equation systems with variables tied to both bombs and wall indicators, aswell as having to count the difference between row and column sum numbers

I know a lot of it could be bypassed, but sometimes there is no helping but do the mental calculus. I think this is a failure of matt personally

>matt's sneaking swastikas into the game
you crafty thing you

>>716312890
Why would matt bash Bioshock Infinite for not using the N word and then fail to use it in his own game? Is he a hypocrite?

Matt made a game that is very indicative of himself. Pure mechanics and systems, very spartan presentation, but compelling and fun.

>>716282205 (OP)
>Picross but made by e-celeb
Buy an ad

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this game possible to recreate in print? It seems odd that a video game enthusiast would produce a game that doesn't take advantage of the medium.

>>716286248
It's on the usual game download sites now.

>>716316038
You can't recreate the hint system in print unless you have a second person looking at the answer sheet and comparing them.

>>716316038
Did you ever try play bigger picross puzzles on paper? It's fucking hell

>>716316572
Hint system is cheating though.

>>716317482
I solved digital ones and haven't noticed any difference that makes them easier, maybe the game you played has some tech that counts blocks and highlights their range or something.

>>716319531
Just mechanically signing the squares becomes extremely tedious, and you only need ONE mistake and you can throw it in the trash

>>716319531
Having the numbers highlighted is a lifesaver in this game. Especially once you reach the 15x15 grids and shit gets confusing

>>716319631
but the mistake shit is the same for digital. most mistakes are misinterpreting hints, not filling 7 squares instead of 6.

What game, where find?

>>716319937
At least I can tabula rasa instead of throwing the magazine away

Help me out here, do the ghost bombs and cats outside of the puzzle mean anything? I'm so confused.

are the simgas/sum signs in this game bugged? they only count the known numbers and not the ?s, thus making them completely useless

>>716322949
retard-kun...

>>716322949
That's why they're useful. You'll figure it out.

>>716324142
I am almost at the 5th row and I haven't figured it out. You can just add up the numbers yourself and get the sum as well. What additional info does the sigma give me that I wasn't able to know before?

>>716322949
It's algebra brother

>>716325016
The sigma is mostly there so you don't have to bother summing them up and can just focus on the logic

Match Dunne?

>>716327178
How do you see this screen?

>>716328806
press select on the level select

>>716324041
Bizarre
Go to any of Matt's old videos, sort by new, and you will STILL see new posts from hbomberguy fans attacking Matt

>>716327178
matt finally doxxing himself

Aight I just got to sigmas and I don't get it. The numbers on the top add up to 11 if all 3 [?] are zero, but if the column with the objectives is zero then they connect to each other which can't be right.

>>716282205 (OP)
The solution to the puzzles isn't about figuring out where the pieces can go, it's figuring out where they CAN'T. For this one, focus on solving column 9 first.

Step by step detailed spoilers, but try yourself first:
1. Column 9. You know each crystal HAS to share an area with a cat & bomb. Because column 10 is filled in, the spaces to the crystals immediate left need to stay open so they can stay connected. This leaves you 6 spots to put the 6 walls.
2. Column 8. Repeat step 1.
3. Column 7. 5 walls for 6 spaces. The answer is not obvious just yet, but you do know that you can continue the line of X's to continue each of the four areas. And because the two areas can't connect, you can at least put one wall down on Row 6. It also means you can now solve...
4. Row 7. You are left with 4 gaps for those 4 walls in this row, and you can fill them all in now.
5. Column 7. Now that Row 7 is solved, you know the gap here needs to be in Row 8, and can fill the wall on the other rows. This also solves Row 1.
6. Column 6. Continue the X's to continue the area, and fill out the remaining gaps. Row 2 can now be solved.
7. Column 5. The X's for the bottom three areas continue, and two more walls can be fitted in. The 5th wall isn't obvious just yet, but you can now complete another row
8. Row 5 is now solved. Because of this row, you can now see which of the Column 5 is the wall to keep the second area going.
9. Row 10. So that X continues again, leaving 1 gap to the wall
10. Row 9. We need to connect the bottom chain to it's cat, which solves this row
11. Column 4. Connect the second line to the cat, and put a wall between area 1 & 2. An X in the remaining spot
12. At this point, just finish walling up the areas, and fill the remaining gaps

>>716329298
Oh wait I think I get it, the sigmas only sum all the known numbers and both sigmas have to be the same value? And the value is going to be the total number of walls in the whole grid? So there is a single wall between the two objectives? I think?

>>716329524
Correct. Sigmas are there just as an aid, and are not actually needed to solve the puzzle.

>>716327178
It's strange because on the pc version it says 'Match and Co' instead

WHAT
IS THE NAME
OF THIS GAME
and where can I find it?

>>716330978
truth nuke
EGS

>>716331120
Does it/the creator have a site or something? I don't want to use EGS and searching "truth nuke" or variations thereof doesn't bring up anything relevant.

>>716327178
>>716330290
Thinking about this a bit more and it makes sense, since Matt made the GB version by himself it only credits him whereas the pc version is a collab between him and his gf. I suppose Match is some kind of nickname meaning Matthew Dunne is his full name.

>>716331391
https://www.youtube.com/@JosephAndersonChannel

>>716331391
I will spoonfeed you only because I want to give Matthewmatosis a sale. It's called logic bombs and it's on steam.

>>716324041
Now just need to wait for MauLer's 1000-word reply.

>>716327178
>>716331531
Match Dunne is probably one of those fake names like the Japanese devs used to use back in the day.

>>716331790
Someone check potato white pages

>>716331896
I just did a cursory google and didn't turn anything up

>>716330978
Logic Bomb on Steam

>>716331531
i thought his gf did the pixel art too (which in this case would only be like the bombs, monsters, and gems) but maybe that was just for the other shelved games. i suspect this is just an oversight and he's not holding it over his potato wife that she didn't help with the GB version

>>716327178
I remember him reposting some scam email on his twitter back in the day that referred to him as Mr Dunne. Probably not healthy that I remember these things. I don't care what Matt looks like but I hope his gf/wife is cute. She has the voice of an angel.

I'm getting filtered on rule 6

>>716332734
Each enclosure (closed area) MUST contain a gem and at least one bomb & cat.

>>716327178
I remember wondering if he would put his name in there, but seeing "Matthewmatosis" on the steam page made me assume otherwise, and i thought "Match & Co." where his friends aliases. No clue why he wouldn't just put in his nickname in there.

when will son of hamster stream this game

I'm filtered

anyone beat it yet?

>>716333075
you can't blow up the crystal, so both 2 bombs actually only have one option for what monsters they can kill

>>716333553
Do monsters act as wall, or do explosions pass through them?

>>716333257
i'm down to the last three rows but i'm also pretty liberal about abusing the hint system if a level is pissing me off

>>716333632
walls*

>>716333667
I mean, sometimes it can be very vague. I just wanted to see if there was a message at the end or somesuch.

>>716333632
only walls act as walls, explosions go through anything else. same with blocking off areas that have to have a one crystal/at least one monster, only walls block off an area

>>716333632
>>716333730
>>716333789
Yeah looking at the solution to the last puzzle I can see that explosions pass through. My mistake.

Actually fuck you matt you could've made this more clear. This is going in the video essay.

>>716332681
No, Matt made the gameboy version entirely by himself and his gf just made the sketchbook theme for the pc version. It is definitely not an oversight.
>Unlike the other projects, this game is small enough that it's a chance to fulfill a selfish little dream of mine: making a game on my own. I can't draw at all but I did the sprites for this game myself and they look fine, at least I think so. Game Boy tiles are only 8x8 so there's not much room to go wrong.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/brief-update-117021642

>>716333879
dam, mitosis-cels in shambles

>>716333075
The 2 bombs are straight lines on this one, because if they did an L shape, you have nowhere to put a wall between the cat and crystal thanks to the line of X's between them.
You then have to focus on putting walls up to stop bombs hitting a) more cats than they should, b) any crystals, c) any other bombs.
The bombs explosions ARE allowed to overlap, the blast just can't reach another bomb.

>>716282205 (OP)
place two walls where you know theres a space. then place a wall somewhere you arent sure. check the hints, if it says 3+ that spot is a space, if it says <3 its a wall. game is easy.

>>716332713
i went to look it up and you're right. I kinda hope "Dunne" is not his real name and he just used it in reference to this tweet of a scam e-mail. That would be funny.

>using the reddit tier high res skin instead of GB sprites

ISHYGDDT

>>716334719
>the virgin crystal vs. the chad DQ slime

not even a decision

REEEEE PLEASE SAVE ME NIGGERMAN

I know I could just use the hint system to solve this easy but WTF is the next logical step?!

>>716335194
The slimes must be in separate regions. Regions pass through bomb cells. This will come up a lot.

>>716335194
Column 6 is solvable with Row 8.

>>716335194
ahh nvm I figured it out. its always the damn zoning law that trips me up.

damn I love this game. its so difficult to get one going but once you crack the armor with a couple hints the whole puzzle gets rolling. so satisfying. that being said Im almost certain Ill never beat this game because row 3 is absolutely raping me.

>>716336548
i played for 8 hours straight the first two days it was out, it's pretty addicting

>>716327178
What’s GBDR?

>>716333075
The game doesn’t do a very good job explaining that bombs go through everything but walls. Once you understand that you should be able to complete this.

Finally something new to play on the 3ds, had fun hacking together an icon

>>716337292
Game Boy Deez Ruts

Almost finished row 8 after about 30 hours, feeling a bit burnt out

Can someone tell me what is invalid about my solution please?
Its very annoying having to count boxes, and not having any kind of undo button

>>716342971
Dang
I feel like an absolute mongoloid for only getting to row 4 after 10 hours

he shouldve left a note on each of the puzzles. wouldve been a soulful addition and a little extra incentive to keep going.

>>716339716
nice