Thread 716302147

Is VR fuckin worth it yet?

>>716302147 (OP)
hell yes.
its essential for all racers and flight sims.
now that mods exist for Unreal Engine and Unity there are hundreds of games now playable in VR.

if you're a coomer then VR is mindblowing, if you're a weirdo who wants to larp as a little girl then VRChat scratches that itch

>>716302457
Are pancake lenses such a huge deal to warrant the 200 dollar increase over the 3s? Or will the 3s serve fine at entry level?

>>716302692
they're fine if you can cope with the edges of your image being blurred

>>716302147 (OP)
kinda, but there's not much new content being made, so hold off until devs come back, hardware will only improve in the meantime, deckard is probably next year

>>716302692
yes

>>716302947
And your headset being bulkier

>>716302692
they are but it's a hard sell to someone that never tried vr because you've got no point of reference
like how the fuck do you beat a pricetag of 300?

let me guess you need more

>>716302692
it depends
pancake lens overall clarity means you dont have to move your head like a chicken to see something off to the side.
it also distributes the weight closer to your head, meaning its more comfortable to wear
but i personally hate the low bincoular overlap of the quest 3. if the 3s or quest 2 feels like you are wearing a plate armor helmet, the quest 3 feels like you're wearing thick scuba goggles.

>>716302147 (OP)
not yet, but it's getting better. there's not enough people making VR content yet for the moment. Very little in the way of games, video content, porn, other experiences, etc. is getting made compared to non-VR media

but the hardware is pretty good. the experiences that you *could* make and the porn that *could* be being filmed is at a point where it's pretty sick. We're at the point where the technology is capable of it, and it's a just a matter of humans not bothering to actually make the stuff using the technology. the lack of interest that everyone has in actually making anything is the problem

everyone only talks about the Meta shit headsets. i wanna know if it's time to sell my Index's HMD and switch to a Bigscreen Beyond or something, or nah. i know newer headsets tend to be lighter but i mostly want a better/clearer display for $1k or less. there never seems to be a simple answer due to sweetspots and all the other shit people go on about.

>>716305412
There's enough VR content to last you fucking years, say nothing of the mods that let you play new AAA games. It doesnt need to be a native VR game to enjoy looking at the environment as if you're actually there. The onky people who complain of content have had a headset for at least half a decade.

wait for waveguide optics to be fully refined. vr utilizing the goggle style with pancake lenses is just a stopgap for way better tech.

>>716305438
bsb2 apparently fixed a lot of the issues with the first one
wish i had 2k lying around to try

>>716305762
good content is what's lacking, there's plenty of slop

I just got a Pico 4 and I'm just too lazy. I connected it to my PC and I don't know what the fuck to do. I tried 2 demos and that's about it.
Not to say it's not good, I had a blast so far. But fuck is it taking me time to fiddle with it

VR is a bit of a niche still, but I think eventually people will bite if you can find goggles for cheap that do a lot.
Issue I have with VR is space. If you don't have space to move around they're overglorified 3D glasses. They don't lose enough purpose to just toss away, I use them still, but fuck.
Also I don't know if there have been any advancements towards this, but until there's some "feedback" when interacting with objects, some won't be impressed. If I can directly grab my waifu's waist and feel like I'm grabbing on something instead of just air, I'm done for. It's over.

>>716302147 (OP)
Decent for porn, that's it

>>716302457
>if you're a coomer then VR is mindblowing
>try glasses with a safe video of a girl just in front of me doing poses and looking at me like she wants to fuck
>get depressed because no woman will ever look at me like that in real life

>>716308448
the problem with pico 4 is it doesn't get as much software as quest

>>716308718
VR will be niche until standalone reaches ps4 level graphics, has devs making games, is under $400
probably when nintendo jumps into VR, then it'll take off

>>716308718
yeah feedback gloves would be sick
wasnt there a guy who made them for under $50 in his house?
no way that companies dont eventually attempt to sell them

>>716302147 (OP)
>this will be the future of games!
>proceed to not make any good games for it
do dei hires not know how to make games for vr yet?

>>716309385
we already got gooner sims we don't need anything else

>>716302947
>they're fine if you can cope with the edges of your image being blurred
are you fucking retarded? fresnel lenses are like that aswell but 10x worse
you have a tiny sweetspot in the middle and everything around it is blurry and has a shitload of ghosting
meanwhile pancake lenses almost have edge to edge clarity with little ghosting so instead of just staring straight ahead without ever moving your eyes you can actually look around

>>716309385
there were a few good vr games
how do you even get money for 2 years to make a game?
that's the biggest hurdle, and all gamedev is dying because of that

>>716308718
>Issue I have with VR is space. If you don't have space to move around they're overglorified 3D glasses
I really don't think that's the case. Even seated, there is a lot that is added with just head movement.
>>716309358
LucidVR. It is kind of weird that no one is making them, but no company is openly publishing open specs for their headset tracking, so that fractures the market a lot.
>>716309385
For most major companies that's going to require that the managers are keeping up with a niche, enthusiast market.
Even if VR is starting to outpace some consoles and porting isn't that hard, that doesn't mean anything if no one making a management decision knows that.

Here's what I want to do with VR
Set up a gigantic vertical display
Connect my fightstick
Play shmups without distractions at 60 smooth fps at least
That possible?

>>716302147 (OP)
I had fun with Beat Saber on my friend's VR set so I got a used Quest 2 to play that and Pistol Whip.
I'm having fun with those but don't see myself keeping the headset for longer than a year.
Image quality on standalone mode is too noticeably shit and I don't have a setup for PCVR.
Also the console itself is too bulky. Was planning on getting a battery pack to play longer but I don't think I want to keep this thing strapped on to my face and eyes making me sweat for over two hours.

Fun novelty but eh... Maybe in another few years.

>>716302147 (OP)
It can, but mostly no.

>>716310486
yeah its possible
picrel is from inside virtual desktop
i can make the screen so big that i cant even see the edges anymore
but it also gets blurry because youre really just stretching the image instead of increasing the resolution
so if you dont have a 4k monitor and the game supporting 4k its gonna look a mit meh

>yet
nothing substantial has happened to VR in the past 10 years so I don't know what you're waiting for. It is what it is

>>716311291
I'm more concerned about it being fluid and input lag than it looking like ass

>tfw thinking about dropping a grand on a quest pro because I practically live on vrchat and face-tracking seems like it would be sick to have
vr is fun but it's fucking addictive if you've got that type of personality

>>716309385
>have expensive PC
>devs make games for phones
it's like this

>>716305438
>wired in 2030-5
Get you fat ass up from that chair

>>716309741
>meanwhile pancake lenses almost have edge to edge clarity with little ghosting so instead of just staring straight ahead without ever moving your eyes you can actually look around
No. Quest 3 and Pro lenses are like that. Pancake lenses in general have blurs, ghosting, blooming etc.

>>716311695
I usually hate you fucking degenerates but I'm glad you guys buy this shit so technology moves forward

>>716305762
>There's enough VR content to last you fucking years
No there isn't, unless you get stuck and some game like Pavlov and play it for 100s of hours even though it only really stays fresh for like 10 hours. I bought my headset in early 2023 and played EVERYTHING I was even remotely interested in by the end of the year. VR games are very short. Even a hundred games would only really take you a hundred days of dedicated playing.
>enjoy looking at the environment as if you're actually there
Looking at things gets old. I've been looking at things my whole life

>>716312153
;3

>>716312073
Pico 4 lenses are the same as Q3. I don't know what pancake lenses you're looking at that are so shit

>>716311898
RE4 Vr and Arkham Shadow never ever

>>716311389
>in the past 10 years
What year do you think we're in

>>716312373
Already ported to Pico, PC port any day now

I’ve tried it at a friend’s house and the games he had got boring pretty fast. It also looks bad, there’s something about a high res screen that’s unbeatable

>>716302457
VR is fantastic for people who *aren't* expecting to be sold world-class waggleshit. If you go into it willing to use a controller or KB+M, mod games, and tinker with shit, it's pure gold.

>>716302147 (OP)
Yes.
>>716302692
For me? Yes. I already knew I VR. MQ3S is fine at the three hundred dollar entry level if you are a, "gamer", "coomer", "simulator", or "socializer", but the MQ3 pancake lenses are now the VR standard. No new VR goggles will come with fresnel lenses.
>>716303601
Shooting games, flight simulator games, ehhh....porn..., and social experiences like clubs, karaoke, tourism are respectable content at the moment.
Deckard will never come out, just like Half Life 3 will never come out. Meta Quest already owns more than half the VR goggles on Earth. Valve will not try to compete with Meta Quest in delivering a better VR goggle to you.
>>716304616
Can't really, unless you own a PC, and live in Europe or Asia for a Pico 4. Pico 4 does not have all the Meta Quest store games, and Meta Quest population except for the crossplay PCVR games.
>>716305317
Halo style MQ3, MQ3S, strap solves this. You can just remove the face gasket.
>>716305412
We would create more VR content, but some of us are already satisfied with our daily VR opportunities. I am pretty satisfied.
>>716305438
Probably because the value of the Meta goggles are just respectable. I only upgraded from an Index for a better pixel resolution. Meta Quest 3 is the best, "cheap" VR goggles. If you're spending $1k, or less, on VR then you should expect to do your own investigation into upcoming, and recent, VR goggles. Most of us can just get an MQ3, or even an MQ3S, for pretty good VR.
>>716305896
We should not wait for better, more fully refined waveguide optics. Expect the marketplace mass production. We will have pancake lenses for a while, and only because Meta mass produces so many Meta Quest 3s. I am perfectly satisfied with pancake lens clarity.
>>716308448
This is true. Can be an hour, or a few hours to mod an old flatscreen game, or to even mod for a better VR game. DOOM VR takes less than half an hour. Star Wars Tie Fighter VR takes half an hour. Modding Skyrim VR is more than an hour

>>716312539
>high res screen
Q3 has a 4k screen though

>>716312432
>He thinks Covid happened
It is 2022.

>>716312629
I think exact opposite is true. People talk about UEVR mods all the time but barely anyone actually completely games in UEVR. Have YOU beaten any games in UEVR? It's a novelty, you just gawk at the first level and turn it off because it's actually a pain in the ass to play
Meanwhile VR only games can be mindblowing. Lone Echo is one of the most memorable experiences of my whole life

>>716311395
there's a tiny bit of inputlag
i get like 20-40ms because its streamed over wifi

>>716302457
ok bro
have fun doing a race in your sweaty ass motion sickness blur simulator while I chill on triple screens

>>716312253
>pavlov
>VR games
you're still stuck on shit that is being sold to you as VR content. you will never grow a garden if you wait for the ground to till itself.
>looking at things is boring
so why even enter this thread to talk about VR, a replacement for your monitor? it's a screen. it's for looking at shit.

>>716312892
>it's a screen
No it's 3 motion tracked controllers (one strapped to your head) and a screen. Why even buy VR if you're not using the controllers? See I can be an obnoxious cunt too

>>716302147 (OP)
It's fun initially but there's only a couple games with no replay value and it's a pain in the ass to setup.
Porn's amazing though.

>>716302147 (OP)
Best games are honestly the ones that aren't "traditional" video games, that more make sense to have more tactile feel, this is why I spend most of my time in Paradiddle and Walkabout Golf, because Paradiddle is basically almost 1:1 playing a real drumkit, and Walkabout Golf is straight up, 1:1 minigolf.
Straight up, play Paradiddle, you can learn drums good enough to play in a band pretty easy, probably the single best way to actually learn drums especially if you already have a drumkit which you can map the VR too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNDiZyaa1vo
Problem with games where you move around a lot is that motion sickness will eventually hit which always ruins the experience.

>>716312860
i played through one of mechwarrior 5's DLC campaigns in VR and i'm about 3/4ths into everspace 2 in VR.
i have enjoyed playing EmuVR and Dolphin VR too

if you care so little about the actual immersion VR can grant you, why not just buy a used wii u and a few wiimotion+ wiimotes and you can wave sticks without the 'novelty' getting in your way

>>716312997
try using the controllers without the headset and let me know how that goes. they slapped the motion controls in it to try and capture normies like the wii did, and you'vs fallen for that marketing so hard that you've completely lost the plot on where the actual innovation lies.

anyone who thinks VR is the controllers is a total fucking braindead idiot. period.

>>716312997
Why even buy VR if you're not using the controllers?
Because that's an even more obnoxious way of looking at it. Why buy a flat monitor if it's not a touchscreen?
Use whatever peripheral works best and is supported.

>>716308718
Space issue is not too much a problem while you are a, "gamer". The better your skill at a thumbstick on a controller, the smaller required to enjoy a VR game.
>>716309845
Unreal Engine Virtual Reality injector will prove remaking games, or patching for VR, is profitable, or else worthwhile anyway.
>>716310532
Halo style strap. You can remove the face gasket.
>>716312253
There is enough VR content if you're trying to simulate, or exercise. I do not do anything else in VR.
>>716312863
WIFI 6 router solves this, but costs maybe eighty dollars. You can also just get a Type-C to ethernet cable, and an ethernet cable to solve this.
>>716312887
You read poor. Are you poor? Some VR headsets, and air conditioning in your playspace, are just the very best racing simulation.
>>716313180
Can recommend PianoVision for a serious Piano learner.

>>716302147 (OP)
it's worth it if you're rich
it's not worth it if you're poor

>Still can't turn off Steam's update notifications at the top of the library
>ANCIENT DUNGEON GOT A CO-OP UPDATE
>ANCIENT DUNGEON GOT A CO-OP UPDATE
Does anyone actually have any friends who own VR that did not become VRchat furfag lolicon gooners?

>>716313406
jesus christ you people probably think the reason your car goes forward is because pressing the gas makes the tires spin

>>716313202
>actual immersion VR
You don't know what actual immersion is if you think that looking around is peak "actual immersion". Can I pick up objects and tinker with them in your shitty EUVR mods? Of course not, it's a flat game. Play Lone Echo and see what "actual immersion" feels like

>>716313361
>anyone who thinks VR is the controllers is a total fucking braindead idiot. period.
Or just not fucking fat, exclamation point. 90% of my time in VR is in games like Synth Riders, Pistol Whip and 11 table tennis. What the FUCK would I be doing there without motion controls? Looking at things? Nah you do that

>>716302147 (OP)
I don't have anything to add that hasn't already been said aside from the fact that it's a bit rough if you have existing neck issues. I also broke my toe once because I didn't properly clear the playspace, which I had drawn myself, so that was entirely user error. Just be aware it's way easier to bang into something than you think it is.

>>716313452
nice projection faggot

So privacy wise, how good are these
Like can zuck or the chinese know what you're doing on VR?

>>716313664
>i can't be immersed if I CAN'T SEE MY HANDS BRO
>AAAAAA THE CHARACTER, THEIR HANDS ARE MOVING AND MINE AREN'T, SAVE ME WAGGLE
actual braindead normie behaviour. imagine genuinely arguing you CANNOT get immersed in a book or film because you can't participate.

>>716313857
My issue with motion controls is that I'm too shaky with them so I can't shoot for shit

>>716313857
i had no idea you hated video games so much that you think we spent the last 4 decades holding a controller just 'looking' at a screen passively.

was your entire experience with flatscreen gaming all Playstation exclusives?

>>716312716
And no games that make use of it. It's akin to the PS5 being able to output 8k.

>>716313452
>enough VR content if you're trying to simulate, or exercise
In both cases you'd have to be replaying the same few games over and over again. Yeah they're highly replayable but to claim that this is "enough content" is a bit silly. I'd want about 10 more great exercise games in my rotation, most of them are pretty meh, only a handful of great ones

>>716313937
>Alyx got a Portal 2 workshop mod this week
>Has a working portal gun which is honestly really impressive
>For some fucking reason the guy added "arms" that just shrink into your shoulders that look even worse than floating hands or evne borderlands 2 vr's literal floating forearms

Never did never will

>>716314062
pretty sure the flat2vr team is doing portal 1 and 2 as a side project, hope that pans out. they're real busy making actual games along with their vr mods now, though

>>716313937
Great, we moved on to the
>I'M IMMERSED IN MY HEAD
cope. So why the FUCK are you playing flat games in VR then? Aren't they already immersive enough for you? You're telling me you CANNOT get immersed in a flat game because you can't look around in 3D? See how easy it is to flip your argument when it's this fucking stupid

>>716313916
Yeah or you know you could buy Valve
>But it's $1000
How much is your privacy worth?

>>716308448
I found that having a friend who was already into VR helped me get into it, as did streaming to the homies who were interested because it's an exciting purchase.

The real enthusiasts use their headsets for everything they can, but I think most people find some niche or another that they settle into... which is important because if you don't, you're gonna set the thing aside and let it gather dust. I will now proceed to give you some ideas:

If you enjoy moving around and being active, Beat Saber is an obvious rec but swordfighting games like Until You Fall, Hellsplit, Blade & Sorcery, etc are good for it too. There are also boxing games like Thrill of the Fight.
If you're a gun autist, Hotdogs Horseshoes & Hand Grenades is the usual recommendation. I thought the shooting in Bonelab was fun and everyone loves Alyx. I think Pavlov and Contractors are the main multiplayer games.
If you're a gooner you can look into Virt-a-Mate but it's a real rabbithole. If you're a social gooner VRChat is what most play, but plenty also play it just to explore cool virtual environments. If you enjoy 3D animated porn there are guys like HentaiVR on Patreon who convert vids you've probably seen, and like, into VR ones that you can watch with your VR media player of choice.
You can play Phasmophobia in VR if you want the shit scared out of you.
A lot of guys love their flight and racing sims.
Finally, there are a shitload of games that have been modded to work in VR, especially those on Unreal Engine. You can play the Silent Hill 2 remake in VR.

Most of my suggestions are pretty old however because I only use mine to play like 2 games one of which is Skyrim. Have fun with that thing anon

>>716314181
>flat2vr open a patreon
>all releases and updates grind to a halt
>Anon still has faith in flat2vr
Have you ever followed an indie game or a WEG?

>>716314041
>heh actually I use a flat controller
Okay and why do you have a VR helmet on? Oh is to so that you could LOOK AT THINGS with it? Huh turns out my argument was correct, you are using VR to LOOK AT THINGS. Interesting

>>716314259
I already bought a headset
I guess I will just wait until Valve puts out something better, I heard about that Deckard thing or whatever

>>716314047
The more muscle you grow, the better the simulation. Consider a VR first person shooter with wrist weights. The game, "changes", and becomes more like a simulation than a mere arcade game. Also the modding community for some games, like Pavlov and Contractors, are free content. Quality content too. You can play multiple other games within one single game. I've played even a regular sport, American football game in Pavlov VR.
Do you mod? I can believe some people do not have enough content, but are not a mod developer.

>>716313515
Me, we're all pretty jaded at the lack of pcvr output by devs though

>>716314393
>The game, "changes"
Yeah that's right, keep those quotes there because it doesn't actually change
>mods
Now you know you're coping. If you have to use mods, you're admitting there's not enough games.

vrchat is fukin cool

>>716314380
There is no Valve VR codenamed, "Deckard". Valve are not going to try to out produce Meta unless someone literally offers themselves upon some ancient sacrificial VR throne in some god forsaken underground bunker somewhere on Earth. What I mean by this is that unless someone just designs, produces, and gives the design and production to Valve FOR FREE, then Valve will just let Meta lead VR goggle production.

>>716314286
So far all I tried was some shitty free game with microtransactions on standalone mode
I like the idea of shooting shit but I find that either I'm too shaky or the game I tried is absolute fucking dogshit
I watched a few videos with ladies and not gonna lie, I can see how fully VR porn can be enjoyable, but I'd rather not chat with anyone. VRChat seems like the kind of place that would make me want to kill myself
I was always not good with horror shit, so I'd rather not touch any of that
I like rhythm games but I don't want to knock shit around. Well maybe I'd like something with boxing and tennis
And I only like racing that's arcadey, I'm not into simulation stuff
I want to try HL2 VR myself

>>716302147 (OP)
I got one of these to watch movies and tv on and it's great for that. I only really played phasmaphobia on it and I got motion sick pretty fast, so I'm probably not built for vr gaming.

>>716314623
well then I'm fucked

>>716314286
I personally really enjoy VR porn movies, but the uncensored JAV ones are quite rare. Western VR porn is mostly muscular dudes and fake tanned bleached gigawhores going at it, which sadly isn't my thing. If anyone ever releases a popular VR camera to make VR amateur porn explode in popularity I'll probably die of cooming too much though.

As far as vidya goes I quite enjoyed The Light Brigade, RE4VR and modded Outer Wilds VR.

>>716313937
The fucking IRONY of a VRtard coping about le immersion lol

>>716312038
i use my fat ass to clench the wire so it never gets in the way. no need to sit.

>>716314551
The mods were free, and added to a game I already enjoy. I already enjoyed the base game, and the base game was enough for me to exercise.
Also, the game does change. Playing a shooter while wearing ten pounds on each wrist, and six pounds on a gun stock is completely different than playing without any extra weight at all. In my experience, you must be tactical, field observant, and willing to just get, "out shot" by almost anyone until you grow the muscles to wield your VR controllers. I have to play very smart, and knowledgeably just to maintain an even kill to death ratio.
The game does change with weights. You're just not benefited enough by the simulation. I've become a pretty good IRL shooter just by wearing wrist weights while playing Pavlov and Hotdogs, Horshoes & Handgrenades. Only two games, though with plenty mod support from modding communities.

>>716313452
>exercise
Do people really exercise with those huge blocks strapped on their faces?
You could literally just go for a walk or put on some active exercise playlist on YT and it would give you the same or massively better results and wouldn't be as uncomfortable.

>>716314817
VRporn sucks, all of it is terrible I'm pretty sure coomers are just coping hard after buying a desk mounted jack off machine, which is understandable I'd be in denial too if I had VR goggles and robot arm to jack me off and zero fucking content
>"n-no it's good if you pay the subscription fee and get the stuff behind the paywall"
>they never show the good stuff nor even name it
Or they cop out and tell you to use VRchat with buggplug.io to get jacked off

>>716314798
There will be a VR goggle using lighthouses, and Valve knuckle controllers in the future. Maybe not many more, but lighthouses are just so much better than goggle camera tracking. You're not fucked. I'm keeping my two base stations even though I currently own a Meta Quest 3.
>>716315014
But do you get to see yourself killing people while you exercise?

>>716302147 (OP)
My quest 3S barely works like it should. Waste of money that shit was. The controllers dont work and it still feels like a novelty. The firmware updates only break it even more. I feel like people need to start making a homebrew OS to replace it considering the official OS is just a modified android. All these games I want to play in VR and the system barely works like it should. Also the finger tracking is a gimmick thats never used to its full potential. The fuck's the point of finger tracking if you cant even use it alongside the controllers to make the games a bit more immersive? Dont get me started on trying to connect the damn thing to my pc, windows 11 is such a shitty OS that everytime I played a vr game the whole damn screen would start glitching out. You mean to tell me that in order to actually use virtual desktop I have to connect my laptop directly to the router? That shits in a whole other room. Air Link and using a link cable is also useless because God forbid the Virtual Desktop guy add a Link cable feature, oh no, it HAS to be wireless. Fuck the quest 3, fuck meta, and fuck VR devs.

>>716315168
>But do you get to see yourself killing people while you exercise?
>aka
>i need to see number go up to exercise!!

>>716315102
Yeah seriously, every vr porn video/game is the same shit. Its always the basic bitch shit vidya girls like overwatch or generic anime girls. Live action vr porn is always terrible anyways. Where the video where rouge the bat, amy rose, ans imp midna are all sucking my dick and balls? Oh wait there's barely any vr videos starring ANY of them, so what the fuck is the point?

>>716315625
I needed a better simulation, or else I wouldn't even play vidya. When I started wearing wrist weights, I started losing unless I began thinking like how I did when I used to shoot in battles. I would still lose, because I was weak muscled, but after more than a year wearing wrist weights while playing VR shooters...I can attest. I kill.

>>716302147 (OP)
No. Valve, Oculus, and PlayStation are too American business pilled to make good decisions and lost all momentum they had from Covid 19. No new releases are worth playing or remembering, the new generation of VR games are basically just 3D versions of what would otherwise be called licensed shovelware. The headsets also suck because they're more designed to facilitate some retarded vision of using Microsoft Word on the go, rather than playing games comfortably at home.

Check back in like 3 years.

>>716315372
real and true
Either go all in and get a Bigscreen Beyond 2 and go full flightsim boomer, or don't bother with VR. Budget VR sucks beyond belief and you're better off buying a Switch or GPU at that point.

>>716316326
I wouldn't recommend a Switch 2...yet....
Really Anon? A Switch 2 rather than a Meta Quest 3? VR is just barely now playable, but consoles like Switch 2 have existed since the PlayStation Portable.
More than ninety nine percent of all games playable on Switch 2 are playable on the original Switch.
Meanwhile a MetaQuest 3 costs just as much as a Switch, with a substantial library of a couple thousand games.
Anon? Really Anon? Nooooo.... I don't believe you. Meta Quest 3 over Nintendo Switch 2.

Do people really exercise with this shit though?
It gets hot enough for the pads to get a bit sweaty, I can't imagine how bad it can get with that shit

>>716316595
This
99% of the switch library is on PC -without- emulation
99% of switch 2 games are just switch games through backwards compatibility
Even cheap VR is less of a waste of money

>>716316715
Obviously yes.
I recommend a halo strap, and removing the face gasket. The halo strap supports the goggles in front of your face. You can then just remove the face cushion gasket.
I just exercise while wearing the regular cushion and strap, but while flowing my air conditioner onto me. Winter is playtime all day, though.

>>716316595
Switch 2 will find much more use out of a Quest 3, even if you're just playing a backlog of Switch 1 titles.

I have a Quest, I've played Batman, it's slop with (some) good ideas. It's slightly better than PS2 shovelware. If you aren't VR Chat pilled, if you aren't Asseto Corsa pilled, you'd unironically get more gameplay time playing Tears of the Kingdom than you would the entirety of the Quest library. Most of my time spent on Quest was installing a game, playing it for 30 minutes, and taking of the headset in disbelief over how ass the experience was both in game design and visuals.

If we had an actual heart beat of memorable games, I would give a different answer. As far as I'm concerned Quest is a dead platform and all we get is 1 exclusive a year (that is probably abysmal dogshit)

>>716302147 (OP)
Not really, the VR games industry now is in an even worse state than it was years ago I'd say. Nobody is even attempting to make good games really, like there's actually nobody. If you're an "enthusiast" you can get some enjoyment out of VR and mostly out of community mods or conversions of other (real) games but if you're just a guy who is hoping to play some super cool shit in VR, there's VERY little of that.

Most of VR game "effort" just results in shovelware or a cool VR gimmick but in an otherwise dull and simplistic game with no actual worthwhile content to use the cool mechanic in.

I got Meta Quest 3 and idk man i have glasses and resolution seems fucking LOW like even in the void thingy i can see the pixels on lines i recently got new cpu and gpu and will try it again but i have no hope and even when i tried to sell it for 550-600euros nobody would bite (here in stores 3 is like 1k euros)

>>716316985
>Metro
>Behemoth
>ArkenAge
>Vertigo 2 DLC
Actually people have been trying a lot harder recently to make real PCVR games again
Aliens was total dogshit btw so you know I'm not just praising whatever fetid slop we get like that or Bonelabs

>>716316959
Shooter pilled here. I guess....

>>716317148
The problem is on Quest headsets is that you're always limited. Either:
> you play standalone, you're limited by the render performance of a mobile phone
> you link to PC, limited by what codecs like h264, h265, and av1 can do because they aren't designed for this use case
So the displays actually don't suck, but the means of displaying something on the display are compromised. If you want clarity, look into the few Display Port headsets like PSVR2, Pimax Crystal Light/ Super, or Bigscreen Beyond 2.

Otherwise you'll always hit a wall, even with an RTX 5090, assuming you can actually render in insane resolutions.

>>716316959
>>716316845
Recommend a Switch 1, or a PC, but not a Switch 2....

>>716314751
>I want to try HL2 VR myself
it's amazing. absolutely fantastic experience.
play Alyx first though or else it will feel like a gampelay downgrade compared to HL2VR

>>716317391
I have Ryzen 7 5700x3d (prev it was 5 2600)
and RX6600 (prev it was RX570)

>>716317493
A switch is equally worthless at this point, even if you get one modded, unless it's like 200 bucks you're paying for one

>>716314772
phasmaphobia runs like shit in VR and that makes motion sickness way worse

>>716317539
Really? Is the mod that advanced that it's better than Alyx?
I just wanted to try it because I remember a long, long ass time ago trying a HL2 wiimote mod and I liked that shit a lot.

>>716317198
I think Pavlov didn't stick with me because I never was a big Counter Strike fan... I guess it's as simple as the genres I care about are
>rarely explored in the new wave of VR games
>when explored are usually done horribly from interactions to level design
I was really looking forward to Stride Fates and The Burst but they both didn't stick the landing :/

I do play competitive live service stuff, but I'd prefer to play those flatscreen personally. In VR I want a more tight experience.

>>716317637
Alyx is the more polished "VR experience"
Every interaction has been polished to a sheen but as a result you can 3 guns
HL2VR is the better game but has rougher jagged edges, the two handed weapons for example
The SMG actually works really well as the handle is right in front of your trigger hand but the shotgun is awkward and it's easy to pump the butt into your left hand

>>716314772
everyone gets motion sick at first
you just gotta pace yourself and build up some tolerance

>>716317637
Alyx suffers from them wanting it to work on single-waggle-controller VR setups and not give anyone FOMO. no two-handed weapons, no melee, laughable 'platforming' segments. it's visually astounding and having more half-life story content made my dick hard

HL2VR has all the shotgun pumping, boat crashing, bhopping shit you could ever want WITH the option of making it babby mode one-handed teleport-only if you need to

>>716317613
>phasmaphobia runs like shit in VR and that makes motion sickness way worse
Actually that's a bug, if you launch phasmo in flatmode you'll see the flat is trying to render the game at 4K or something stupid high and the VR implementation is trying to double that
Launch it in flat and set the resolution then launch VR again and the performance will stop being garbage, rain still tanks my framerate though

>>716317868
>try VR at first with some rollercoaster game
>suggestion to test out motion sickness
>can barely feel anything most of the time
>try target shooting
>motion sickness to shit and fuck

>>716317841
i never once struggled to reload the shotgun

and yeah i forgot to mention the stuff like shaking a bottle of liquid in Alyx. it's pure gimmick but real nifty

>>716317937
>bhopping
how the fuck would you even

>>716308821
Don't worry, we'll make your fantasy a reality.
https://hub.virtamate.com/resources/lucy.24806/

>>716317549
Older AMD headsets tend to struggle on Quest because they have to do the weird compression that Quest headsets demand. Sadly Nvidia RTX cards are better at this. It's a pointless extra step and a failure of the people that designed the headset :/

>>716316959
Vertigo 1 and 2 are kino doe.
Along with modded Contractors being fucking amazing.

>>716318174
Fuck sake.
Assuming I pay a subscription for this shit, is it difficult to set up? Can I just download models from other places?

>>716318224
*AMD cards

>>716318254
You played the Star Wars Battlefront mod for Contractors? So legit.

>>716318254
Sure, but Vertigo was more than 2 years ago, Contractors (Showdown is garbage) was 7 years ago.

The (current) release schedule is quite bleak, although there is good stuff to be found from the old library. Sadly I'm not the time to spend 1,000 hours on these games, so I'm always looking for the next thing.

>>716318264
Models are free on f95. Interface is very alien, but it's manageable. I got filtered at first but gave it another chance after reading a couple guides.

>>716315813
Happy for you.
>I can attest. I kill
I chuckled though.

>>716312351
>Pico 4 lenses are the same as Q3
no they aren't Pico 4 lenses are shit. They have a blur ring around the edges, the Q3 lenses don't.

>>716312351
>I don't know what pancake lenses you're looking at that are so shit
All of them apart from Metas.

>>716318892
From what I'm hearing it's a debate.
Pico 4's lens stack has much better binocular overlap (3D effect) and clarity thanks to the non rotated displays, Quest 3 lenses have less visual artifacts.

>>716318439
You should try out the modern warfare 2 mod, they even have progression

>>716319287
I'm saying the quality of the Pico 4 lens is blurry while the Quest 3 isn't. Binocular overlap has nothing to do with the lens.
Both headsets have artifacts. Both are wireless. Both have image compression. Both have piss poor contrast. The rotated displays in the Quest Pro and 3 are ugly.

it's wild they made the quest a standalone vr headset considering how demanding the requirements are for vr.

>>716320013
yep
>design hardware device worn on your head
>put the heaviest, hottest, loudest part on your head instead of your pocket or desk
Truly a case of making a product worse for the convenience of vendor lock in.

>>716320380
I find it wild that the best VR games are ones which released shortly after launch when every headset had a wire. That we're still playing catch-up and VR, which was once the most amazing thing ever has been devolved to whatever shit state it currently sits at

>>716302147 (OP)
Unless you're easily amused or just want something unique to toy around with I don't think Quest standalone games alone are good enough to be worth $300 in the long run. There are some decent ones but most are trash and you don't have as many inferior multiplats to cope with like you would for a handheld console. If you have a PCVR capable PC it becomes easier to justify because the two libraries combined have more games worth trying but there's a cost attached to PCVR use too. On top of whatever you pay for a better headstrap it's $15 for compressed wired PCVR or >$100 for a 6e router for wireless PCVR.

>>716302147 (OP)
Hell yeah it is.
Sadly no matter how much VR gameplay you see, it will look like shit until you try it.

>>716320013
It's very nice for playing blade and sorcery.
It's pointless if you're fat and sit down to play uevr games

>>716320013
Yeah, it's basically a Switch 2 that you strap on your face

>>716320676
Many many things happened all at once.
>investors stopped giving VR studios funding after realizing it was a niche
>people with passion became outsiders to the VR scene after it became more about making a quick buck, creatives got pushed out by amateur investors, crypto grifters, tech bros, etc.
>pc is just the better platform to experiment with good ideas, telling people to optimize for quest and pander to 13 year olds stifles innovation, the games that get made are incredibly safe or outright clones
Cancerous culture, I'm just waiting it out hoping time heals all wounds.

Is there piracy for VR?
I'm seeing tons of paid apps, almost nothing for free

>>716321868
Go to r/questpiracy and read the wiki, they have their own launcher for pirating Quest games as long as you have an Oculus dev account (you have to give Zuck your phone number or credit card to sideload). For PCVR piracy then it's just The Pirate Bay more or less.

>>716322140
Unfortunately I have a Pico 4, I'm out of luck there

>>716321868
You can just install .apk files to Quest headsets after you enable developer mode or something like that. Pirating is easier than on PC
I'm paying for games because I believe in voting with wallet

>>716322254
>Developer mode
>Oy guv, give me your personal identification and let's see if you're registered as a business and I'll get back to you in a few days, promise
If you want to pirate on Quest, then you're probably better off just pirating on PCVR.

>>716322232
google fmhy
there 100% is pirated shit for the pico

>>716302147 (OP)
Great for multiplayer shooters. It's hard to go back to regular shooters after trying VR ones.

>>716322232
They also have a guide for PCVR piracy too.

>>716322254
I don't have a problem with buying 3 or 4 $20 games a month like I do on steam, but I need some demoing at least

>>716322556
thanks I'll check that out

>>716302147 (OP)
>tfw had a quest 3 for a year
>barely touched it because I'm too lazy and my regular backlog is already too big

I finally have some free time so I'm gonna give it a shot for real.
GIVE ME THE ESSENTIALS GAME TO PLAY RIGHT NOW

>>716322750
also most vr games worth playing have a PC port
so you can just buy virtual desktop and pirate the pc games which is way less of a hassle

>>716314575
Yee, got me into learning blender and unity too. I have my own unique critter donut steel OC's no current bases are close to, so I had to make them myself. Still learning. Love modelling and rigging, fucking hate texturing.

>>716322876
>most vr games worth playing have a PC port.
I always wanted to try Resident Evil 7 on VR but I know it is exclusive to playstation. Is there a way to play VR RE7 on PC?

It is?

>>716323183
Do you have an OLED headset? If not it'll be shit

>>716318439
>>716319350
i have sunk so many hours into the battlefront one and i am eager to hop into MW2 at some point

i'm 'Blode' if you've ever seen me play. i see a lot of the same names when i hop in so i figure someone recognizes mine at this point

>>716323183
https://github.com/praydog/REFramework
there is a vr mod for all the new RE games but it obviously wont be as good as the native port from capcum

>>716323331
Does contractors record voice chat like Pavlov does? I refuse to buy or play any game that monitors voice chat

>>716323381
Naisu, will give it a try.

>>716302147 (OP)
Only if you do simracing. For other games, nah

>>716324981
How many PC VR modded games did you finish?

>>716318567
VAM has probably the worst ui I've seen in anything ever, it's even worse in vr. Makes using it a complete pain.

What's better, a VR headset or a Switch 2? Is the Quest 3S a good headset? I see it's only $300, and I kind of want to play Alyx.

>>716324063
idk every fucking device does these days and i have other shit to worry about.
it doesn't stop all the other players from saying nigger, at least

>>716325357
i was blown away by the quest 2 so i think $300 for a 3s is pretty alright

>>716325071
none. I don't play janky shit

>>716325602
So your opinion on 'other games' is worthless then.

>>716326617
Do you think people haven't tried it themselves and discovered it's a janky mess?

>>716326723
You didn't. You just opened wide and swallowed their truth.

>>716327512
>you didn't.
What didn't I do? Try some F2VR games? lol shut up retard

>>716322797
Out of my time playing VR games, these are the only ones worth taking the effort to install or try out:
>Half Life Alyx
Obvious choice if only for interaction quality and production value.
>HL2 VR
Basically HL2 with (some) Alyx level interactions. Only worth playing if you didn't complete HL2 or its Episodes.
>Budget Cuts
Stealth game that makes a lot of use of physical movement, as opposed to spinning an analog.
>Sprint Vector
Sonic X Mario Kart. Servers are basically dead but has some single player levels.
>Elite Dangerous
Being a trucker in space is a vibe, but it's a high sim sickness experience, and asks for a somewhat complicated learning curve.
>VR Chat
Even if you're not social, worth checking out during events like Vket to appreciate the art.
>Ancient Dungeon
Mediocre dungeon crawler with alright interactions.
>C-Smash VRS
Really simple game, Tennis X Pong, but with a really cool vibe and soundtrack. Remake of a Dreamcast game. Not on Steam VR, sadly.
>Beat Saber
Has a lot of good community maps, modding support has been removed on Quest however.
>Lone Echo
Story focused "walking sim" but done with a VR facing design, worth playing.

I want to try Hitman World of Assassination (PSVR2 version), Asseto Corsa, and Synapse (PSVR2 only). Those look cool, but I can't attest to them first hand.

>>716325357
If you don't have a game console, get a Switch 2 to get access to the Switch 1 backlog and future exclusives. If you have a Switch 1 currently, don't bother.

Quest 3S is abysmal garbage, the lens stack is a nightmare. Get a Quest 3, Pico 4, or PSVR 2 if budget allows.

>>716328443
You can emulate the Switch 1 catalogue on basically any computer, even the Steam Deck

>>716328510
The performance you're getting on Steam Deck through Switch 1 emulation is way over hyped, and to be frank takes too much tuning to get playable in the more demanding games. Switch emulation is only good if you deck it out with mods and have performance to spare (eg 4k Tears of the Kingdom). Low end, it's trash and worse than playing on a Switch Lite.

>>716302147 (OP)
RE Village was awesome, I can't imagine any other way to play the game. Aside from that, Ancient Dungeon VR is also really good(and on steam). There's a bunch of games I want to try yet like Half Life Alyx, but man, 2 is so boring, and I didn't quite like the VR conversion of that.

>>716322797
hl alyx
hl2
contractors for the mods(has halo, cod, tf2, warhammer, cod zombies and more)
beat saber
skyrim
fallout 4
all praydog re games
racing games if youre into them
vr chat
pirate OG re4 on the quest 3
payday 2
not games but you can watch 3d movies

>>716330042
I wish 3d movies weren't a pain in the ass to pirate.

>>716330613
lookup a 3d movie list on imdb and then just search for the title + SBS on any tracker

>have to run chinese spyware on my PC to use PCVR
god
dammit

>>716331290
Use ALVR of WiVRn if you want the open source headache

>>716328779
There's maybe 4 games worth emulating. If you didn't care about those, you have a much more powerful platform for the rest. Bloodstained runs at about 30fps with some awful internal res on the switch, whereas you can max it out at 90fps on a deck.

>>716317549
FUCK man i just tried Project Wingman it was fucking horrible there were weird pixel lines on screen and for some reason the game didnt see thew headset but at the same time it did it was a fucking nightamre worst 500e i wasted on some shit (i wish i got steam dec or some shit like that)

>>716302147 (OP)
Never was :(

>muh waveguide optics
useless
The future is already in the lab, it's holography
>depth (actual depth not just cross-eyed)
>light field (parallax)
>real time using nns
>gaussian splatting for much better details
https://www.computationalimaging.org/publications/time-multiplexed-neural-holography/
https://bchao1.github.io/gaussian-wave-splatting/
picrel is an actual video filmed with a camera where they sometimes pause to zoom in and out with the camera without any change to the actual hologram projected

>>716322797
I would like to take this opportunity to shill Hellsplit: Arena since I mentioned it earlier and nobody else ever does. I think it got a Quest version recently but don't shit on me if it sucks.
https://files.catbox.moe/ve3eg1.webm

>>716335163
I can tell you watch autistic sword form videos on youtube

>>716302147 (OP)
It's essential for porn.

>>716332642
this might actually make CGI much more prevalent
to film anything that this could output, you'd need an extremely complex camera
but holy fuck imagine the blender animated porn with this, it would feel so much more real

>>716335256
almost. i looked at some old manuscripts one day and got my almonds activated

What do you guys use for audio on headsets that don't have an integrated audio headset like the meta quest 3? Can you use wireless earphones without too much latency?

>>716338126
Most valuable headsets have a proper audio solution either built in or as an addon, like the Beyond 2 or Index.

Most of the time people just rock headphones, or 3D print a mount and use the Vive Deluxe Audio Strap.

>>716335163
>webm
This looks way better than all sandbox trash I've played before.

>>716302147 (OP)
I like VR. Not enough to pay to move off my Reverb G2, which is slowly being killed by Bill Gay.

>>716312860
UEVR sucks. VR sucks without actual VR gameplay

>>716338126
Back when I still had a Quest 2 I used a cable tie + IEMs

>>716336363
>almost. i looked at some old manuscripts one day and got my almonds activated
Not all sword types have surviving manuals but I applaud your autism
Have you played b&s, legendary tales or grimlord too?

>>716339710
There is an effort to write unofficial drivers for the Reverb G2:
https://www.roadtovr.com/unofficial-steamvr-windows-11-mixed-reality-driver/

>>716340807
Oh good, how about windows mixed reality headsets? Because last I checked those have better support on Linux than they do Windows
Which is absolutely disgusting on the part of microsoft

>>716340969
I kind of feel like I dodged a bullet. I was going to get a WMR headset but they were all out of stock, forcing me to buy a Quest.

The article says the driver should work for all WMR headsets, and the lead dev is a Microsoft employee working off the clock. I'm optimistic about it.

>>716338126
Quest 3 has integrated audio. It's not as good as the Index since it's fitting into the headstrap instead of being dangling headphones, but it works just fine for anything short of listening to music.

>>716340807
>In particular, I am leveraging SteamVR for a lot of heavy lifting and I am not borrowing any Microsoft intellectual property,” mbucchia says.
That could actually be an improvement. Microsoft never put an ounce of effort into optimizing the StemVR conversion layer. Performance is much worse when running a game in SteamVR compared to OpenXR. This one random guy’s driver could have better performance.

>>716341195
>I kind of feel like I dodged a bullet.
Nah. A Reverb G2v2 has a much better image than a Quest

>>716322797
Vertigo 2 was pretty good
Max Mustard if you're looking for something similar to Astro Bot VR
The HL VR games (Alyx is still the definitive VR app imo)
Moss games are pretty lowstakes VR
Into the Radius is also a fun time (dont know about the sequel)
No More Rainbows
Underdogs
The Midnight Walk
Behemoth and TWD from Skydance (get them on sale)
Walkabout Minigolf
Fallout and Skyrim VR with mods
Breachers
Contractors
Overload
Vox Machinae
HHH
Demeo
Lone Echo
Red Matter 2
Cave Crave is insane (if you even a bity of claustrophobia, DO NOT play it)
BoneLab because of the mods
To name a few

>>716342334
True. Well for me, I do think Quest headsets all suck, but you have like 4 different drivers to choose from, and the build quality is alright. Whenever Oculus Link has a crappy update, I just use Steam Link, for example.

>>716338986
its dev has jammed a lot of shit into it this last few years, at the cost of stability and some other things i've liked, but it's an underrated gem for sure.

>>716340597
i played B&S back when it was in Early Access but felt like it was pretty jank. being able to set its enemy rate to 100% female and going Supreme Gentleman mode is megabased, and i thought it handled things like grappling really well, but Hellsplit plays a lot more smoothly imo.. though its enemies fall over way more so you can't wail on them too hard/fast if you want cool fights.
those others i'll have to try once i get my headset back out without booting fucking Skyrim