FF7R = roll slop

>>716399854 (OP)
>FF7R
You need to specify which. Rebirth and Remake both start with R.

>hurr durr rolling is LE SLOP
Fuck off, retard

>>716399854 (OP)
No, because it makes sense for a ninja to roll like that.
Not a juggernaught in armor that's way heavier and bulkier than irl full harness has ever been.

>>716399854 (OP)
>Rolling while nowhere near the boss

>>716399854 (OP)
Tell Cloud to use focused thrust you non retard i hate slow players like you

It’s funny how everyone expected them to fuck up the story but no one expected the combat to be so terrible. The worst part is just the enemies being able to randomly choose to use unmissable attacks or moves that you cannot damage them during, quite often. It’s crazy to watch the niggers lock on to your character, waltz the fuck up across the map, and your perfect dodge is cherry’d with a damage counter. Fucking dumb niggers can’t even just keep the story the same. Fucking worthless incompetent chinks cannot just design a fun game. There goes the best masterpiece ever made…. To the trash and slop

I always wanted one of those shinra outfits they look so cool

I hate Yuffie gameplay so much. Tifa is a physical beast in melee and Barret shreds ranged+support because of his insane ATB buildup but Yuffie is just a spammy do-it-all that doesn't excel at anything. Cat is a meme.

>>716403267
You are brown.

>>716403079
Wouldn't he just take damage from the scorpion chimp out?

>>716403832
it has pretty good range and enemies tend to target the character you're controlling so tell him to use it when behind the scorpion

>>716399854 (OP)
if you play like a retard yes, reminder you have waaay less i frames than in any souls game including ds2

>>716403832
Then change to him and use it when hes attacking someone else?

>>716399854 (OP)
dodging doesn't work in this game and you're better off blocking 99 out of 100 times

>>716403979
just to add how retarded it really is.. dude uses the roll as a means of travel and not avoiding damage but you over distance you run faster in this game compared to rolling.

>>716404114
I don't know my dude that one Tifa alternate dodge with the materia thingy makes you go pretty damn fast compared to regular running.

>>716399854 (OP)
>Praised for it's combat and virtually nothing else from 7REfags (waifufags don't count as genuine praise)
>Take the most abused move in the tryhard coombat catalog
Yeah, that makes sense

>>716404072
it works for the purpoes it is intended to avoid slow unblockable attacks and ground hazards, blocking is for fast attackes that are hard to dodge.

I firmly believe rebirth got most of its hate from people who are literally too stupid for the combat system which is unfortunated because its the best combat system.

>>716404191
yes you have to give up a materia slot

>>716399854 (OP)
This is just how soulsfags are primed to play any game. Have you seen them try to play Nioh or Monster Hunter? They just fucking dodge spam and don't engage with most of the game's mechanics

>>716404196
Its more like souls combat has made people dumb in general. They want now every combat to work the same.

>>716404196
>>716404285

No lie detected.

>>716404196
>it works for the purpoes it is intended to avoid slow unblockable attacks
>"Death from Above"s in your path

>>716399854 (OP)
>b-but there's attacks you can't roll evade against so it isn't rollslop it isn't!

if fromsoft is smart they will add a cooldown to rolling in the next souls game

>>716403981
It's been a while since I played, but I think it damages anyone who touches it when it's in that phase.

>>716404492
It can catch off you guard once, but not twice unless you are retarded. You are told specifically that death from above comes after doing good damage in one attack so you have time to prepare

>>716404589
No, its just another attack, Cloud could have easily staggered him there

Why is rolling bad again?

>>716404534
yes for fast attacks you have to block reducing the damage and filling up your atb rapidly... i know having two defense options in a game is hard to grasp for some gets them all confused.

>>716399854 (OP)
RETARD

>>716404650
>It can catch off you guard once, but not twice unless you are retarded. You are told specifically that death from above comes after doing good damage in one attack so you have time to prepare
If your "good damage" comes from a melee attack you are NOT going to dodge that. It cannot be done.

>>716404654
At face value, nothing
But when you have hoards of tryhards claiming that the "souls" genre is top gaming, but cheese rolling to relatively more easily beat tryhard game, and same mechanic is abused in square's "heckin best combat action rpg ever", >>716404323 is on to something

>>716399854 (OP)
don't know how it plays, but i really like how the battles look from the footage i've seen.
i'm fresh off the heels of my first real ff7 playthrough, so i'm pretty stoked to play these remakes in about a year or so.

>>716404768
You could try magic, barret overcharge, range attacks and anticipate the attack, you know

>>716405265
they're not remakes you fucking idiot.
not 1 location or scenario is remotely faithful and these are all canonically different characters to the real ones (who never appear).
they're horrible bastardizations set in a fanfic universe where advent children sephiroth travels back in in time and into a multi-verse to meet a bunch of anime grunting timeline clones.

>>716399854 (OP)
Any time a game has bosses where you chain rolls to move fast and abuse iframes, it's shit. No exceptions.

>>716405635
You are brown

>>716405704
Its not a boss and you dont need to chain roll at all. The scorpion is wide open to stagger, OP just doesn know how to play.
In fact, Yuffie DOES have an i-frame dodge that he could abuse to get even more ATB, but again, he doesnt know how to play.

>>716399854 (OP)
God I hate modern video games. Wake me up when the capitalist slop is over

>>716399854 (OP)
You apparently have no fucking clue what rollslop is.

>>716399854 (OP)
>we want the soulslop audience

>>716405635
anon the word "remake" is literally in the title of the game. i have no idea what they've changed, i told you i haven't played it yet.

>>716406057
If you're anything like me, you're in for a near-death level sleep

>>716405265
Why wait a year?

>>716399854 (OP)
Childhood is refusing to play FF7 Rebirth because the story sucks
adulthood is playing the game and realizing the combat and voice-acting is so good that it cancels out the terrible story

>>716403267
What gets me is "melee attacks" that aren't really melee attacks. You master the counter. Only for game yo punish you for it.
Second is variable hyper armour. Some times enemies can just juggle you at will. And there is nothing to explain why
>>716404196
Nah. For me it was pacing. I just grew to hate it by time I reached Nibelheim. Even when that was open world area I like the most. Juno-->Costa de sol---> golden saucer followed by literal filler chapter was just too much.

>>716405635
Why didn't they remake 8. If their plan was to do this.
They could have gone full craziness and say it's another timeline and then time compression happens.

>>716406471
Square deliberately chose "remake" for the first one, using a play on words, subverting expectations, literally re-making what the game fucking is. Yhen backpedaling after launch saying it's a reimagining

>>716406854
even more, realizing that the story is also pretty good

I only want to play the remake/rebirth for the combat. Which I've heard good things about, despite the bitching in this thread.

>>716406913
The problems with the combat prove they never play-tested it at all. It would be as simple as adjusting some settings for the enemy moves, but they never even saw the moves at a local level.

>>716407042
if you subvert in the first 5 minutes with the early Sephiroth appearance and never go back to the canon storyline, you're not backpedaling, lil' dipshit. That's called COMMITTING. lol

>>716407042
It started as remake done by outside studio. Egos at square saw what they were cooking and couldn't handle someone else taking the credit. They jumped it and turned it into what it became.
From chapters 1-11 it is just ff7 midgard parts expanded. Minus time jannies and chapter 4. But even chapter 4 wasn't out there.
But then chapter 12 hits and it goes off the rails. That's square taking over fully

>>716405851
no you're a nigger

>>716406840
i don't want to play them back to back. midgar is still fresh enough in my mind to not want to return just yet.

>literally re-making what the game fucking is
so you're telling me it's a remake

>>716407180
Another sign of them either sucking at game or not playing it is Tifa. In remake Tifa was broken to point you could trivialise whole game with her.
They "fixed" her by making her equally broken in diffeent way.

>>716407238
Interviews leading up to launch indicating a true return and remake, then saying so after, while choosing the verbage "remake" as your part 1, knowing full well more than enough people wanted an actual remake, is dishonest as fuck. Don't defend that consoomer-kun

>>716407180
>The problems with the combat prove they never play-tested it at all.
I disagree wholeheartedly. If they didn't play-test the combat, they wouldn't have created an entire endgame predicated on the combat system. That's how fucking confident they were about it.

IMO, FF7 Rebirth combat is one of the most polished combat systems I've ever seen in an JRPG. It's as easy or hard as you want it to be. You can beat the main storyline with scrub skills and still find the combat fun and responsive. But its also fun if you actually want to engage in the dodgy/parry system. That's when the combat opens up to an entire set of rewarding hard/brutal challenges.

>>716399854 (OP)
any game will look stupid if you play it like a retard. That's on you

>>716399854 (OP)
>Rolling repeatedly while far away from the boss when running is faster and you could be using ranged attacks while running

It's not rollslop when you are only rolling because you are retarded.

>>716407665
And they are paying for it. Rebirth underperformed. This time square can blame for Sony. But it still underperformed. What excuse they will have for part 3?
Funnily enough it's not fault of sony or ps. Just square being retards. Ps5 has smaller playerbase than ps4. And top it of it needs DirectX 12 Ultimate. That cuts off whole lot of older gpus. Shrinking market even more

>>716407558
There was a established consensus on what "remake" meant in the entertainment industry
Remake: audio and visuals entirely redone, but the structure is untouched, except minor continuity errors or other minor fixes
Remaster: essentially a really thorough spit shine, maybe replacing or adding a minor detail or two
Reboot: "eh, we'll keep some of the major details the same, but let's make some fucking omelettes!!"
It was a reboot, arguably time-fuckery sequel from the beginning, not a "remake" in any agreed upon sense. It was a marketing ploy to lure in under informed consumers, which is why they were so quick to brag about remake sales, but haven't said shit about rebirth sales.

>>716407558
I'll "remake" your family into corpses you language defiling faggot.

why did Cloud not fall in love with Tifa yet?

>>716408531
Edgelords be like that

Was I the only one annoyed how the AI handles, primarily ranged characters? Especially Aerith, why are you standing right next to the boss while all of your attacks are ranged...

>>716408134
which is a shame because rebirth is like the best final fantasy since 9,8,7 and on that level and the best game i have played in the last two generations

>>716406913
>Nah. For me it was pacing. I just grew to hate it by time I reached Nibelheim. Even when that was open world area I like the most.

eh thats more a self made problem completionists ruin their own fun no one to blame but themselves, open world is a buffet some people like some of the things others like a different thing, you take the food you like... you dont take the food you hate and then bitch about it. Thats why all open world stuff in the game is optional, the only one holding a gun to your head doing stuff you dont like is you yourself. Pacing issue arise only from that if you follow the story there are none with one singulare exception i grant which is costa to saucer, i would not have added minigames in costa del soul because you are burned out by them at the end and then you go to gold saucer.
But even with that being said it is telling that the only negative i can see in the game is that at times there is just too much game.

>>716399854 (OP)
Then stop rolling?

>>716399854 (OP)
>>716401476
>>716403979
>>716404072

You do not receive invincibility frames rolling in either FR7R. It is a movement and repositioning tool.

>>716409353
Yeah I was also very surprised at how much I enjoyed both Remake and Rebirth. There’s quite a lot of stuff I dont like in both but when you look at the creation as a whole, both are very solid games.
Ff7 is one of the most talked about games of all time. Characters in ff7 are literally the inspirations for what now are some of the most cliche character archetypes in games. To the point that there was a moment in time around tge 2010s when it was cool to shit talk ff7 because the characters and stories where tired out cliche of the jrpg genre even though they’re literally the precursors of said cliches.
It sounded impossible from a consumer standpoint to believe that the remake games wouldnt be cringe af especially with Nomura as director.
The campiness connects directly into our childhood memory of watching those blocky characters delivering poorly written or plain nonsensical English lines.
I realky enjoyed my time with both.

>>716399854 (OP)
Shitbirth is a garbage game with garbage combat, but you're literally retarded if that webm is from you.

>>716410682
that's only true for the demake because it wasn't designed properly.
in that slop you have a usless dodge with a huge hitbox and fucking awful movent.
part 2 has proper I-frames on the dodge and many other basic design principals that square should have known about since Kingdom hearts but completely fucked up and omited from part 1 because they're retards.
Holy shit the awsful subpar design in that game, it has the worst air combat of any game ever made.

>>716410682
So it's still slop? Thanks for proving my point.

I accept your concession.