>2025
>still playing video games on Windows
Why?

not fat
have a family
have a job
have a life

>>716401150 (OP)
GNOME

I literally just installed linux yesterday.
Using CachyOS KDE
So far so good but a few bugs like sometimes app windows bugs out and I need to resize it once and that fixes it

>>716401150 (OP)
Not autistic

>>716401150 (OP)
friends
fifa
fortnite
cod
league
valorant
you fat worthless virgin

>>716401608
>friends
you can watch friends on linux, retard

>Micropenis is gonna drop support in cocktober
>The jeets in charge will probably drop all the deliberate security holes left in by competent (but still evil) developers
>Trying to convince my roomate he doesn't need windows

>>716401752
LMAO LINUXTRANNY 4 THE WIN XD

But I'm playing them on Gentoo though

>>716401150 (OP)
Who told you that?

>>716401368
XFCE is basically like returning to XP with a modern backend and is peak comfiness. I tried Budgie and MATE a couple weeks ago and they just can't compete. KDE has too many bugs and they removed easy compositor tweaking to eliminate screen tearing.

>>716402973
Ubuntu 25.04 is just so good, I can't move away. It's home.

>>716402998
What DE are you running?

I'm in love with OpenSUSE bros.

>>716403504
Just normal Ubuntu 25.04, not any flavor, so gnome

>>716403504
Well, since he said Ubuntu and not xbuntu or kubuntu or whatever it's probably a safe bet it's their Gnome. RIP Unity

>>716401608
>can't play fifa on linux
it's SO over linuxbros...

>>716402998
I went with minimal Xubuntu after coming from Arch and having several annoying problems with VMs. I was running Kubuntu for 24.10 and then came back for 25.04 because the short-term stability is beneficial for my non-vidya projects.

>>716402998
why can't more people just use ubuntu? it's really not that bad...

sorry I'm not trans

>>716401150 (OP)
>KDE
>>Buggy trash that breaks constantly

>Gnome
>>Broken by design

>Everything else
>>Outdated and barely worked on

I fucking hate linux

>>716403750
GNOME going for that touchscreen appearance leaves a very Windows 8 Start Screen feeling for many

>>716403537
ubuntu's gnome is heavily modified though.

>>716403773
just go WM only then, fag

>>716401475
>cachyos
nigga use pop! os like a white man

(maybe wait for COSMIC to hit stable tho)

>>716403773
linux mint cinnamon is gr8 m8

>>716401150 (OP)
windows is already installed and it just works

>>716403773
>KDE — “Buggy trash that breaks constantly”
Exaggerated but has a kernel of truth.

KDE Plasma has historically had bloat and bugs, especially around Plasma 5.0 days. But as of Plasma 5.27 and now Plasma 6, it’s arguably the most stable and feature-rich DE on Linux.

KDE still offers more configurability than anything else, and that extra surface area can lead to occasional bugs—especially on rolling distros like Arch or CachyOS.

If you’re using Wayland, KDE is still not perfect, but rapidly improving.

Verdict: Sounds like someone ran KDE on a bleeding-edge distro, borked it, and rage-quit. KDE today is not buggy trash if you’re even slightly competent.

>Gnome — “Broken by design”
Accurate in intent, wrong in tone.

GNOME’s design intentionally strips away customization. No system tray, no minimize/maximize by default, and a weird workflow (Activities overview, etc.).

It’s not “broken”—it’s opinionated. If you’re aligned with it, GNOME can be slick and productive. But if you’re not, it feels like a prison.

You can hack around it with extensions, but GNOME devs often break those between releases. They don’t really want you customizing it.

Verdict: It’s not “broken,” it’s just designed for someone else’s workflow, and if that’s not you, it feels like garbage.

>Everything else — “Outdated and barely worked on”
Flat-out wrong.

XFCE is old-school, yes, but it’s actively maintained, fast, and rock-solid. Just not flashy.

LXQt, i3, sway, Wayfire, Budgie, Cinnamon, MATE, Enlightenment—all have active devs and real users.

Most of these are stable and lightweight, not “barely worked on.” They’re just not reinventing the wheel every 6 months, which is a good thing.

Verdict: Calling them “barely worked on” is pure cope. They just don’t change constantly like GNOME does.

>>716403838
the overview is the best thing about gnome though, being able to scroll through workspaces with your mousewheel, having it pop up with the hotcorner, showing everything in one go, being able to just type to search through your applications.
i think people are just afraid to try something new and want to use the same UI paradigms forever.

>>716404130
>f you’re aligned with it, GNOME can be slick and productive.
It's good, very good

>>716403838
but you can choose which desktop environment you want to use. gnome is just the default.
https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavors

I planned on switching to SteamOS but am a little hesitant now after Valve got pushed around by angry christian moms

>>716404268
people don't change defaults, it's why ubuntu always looks like a bastardized version of gnome and mint users always have cinnamon

Because I'd rather trust a OS with decades of gaming experience than a programmer tranny meme that never managed to get anywhere CLOSE to being gaming capable until Gaben went "God damn, just look - here's how you get it done"
I will only switch if Valve releases a proper gaming OS for PC. Programmer trannies can suck it.

it just works. linuxdrones will never know how that feels due to being in configuration hell.

>>716404317
steamos is only for steam decks right now. try bazzite if you want a steamos like experience.
https://bazzite.gg/

>>716401150 (OP)
Install CachyOS

>>716403940
>nigga why are you using good arch derivative
>just use an obsolete Ubuntu fork
Lol

>>716403765
lol

>>716403940
popos is eol.

>>716403657
ufl works, lets go mumbairats.

Im in a sitsuation where Im basicly forced into adopting Win 11, is it just as shitty as I have heard?

>>716401842
>Micropenis is gonna drop support in cocktober
not my problem

>>716404746
Get the ltsc to remove the bloat. Default user versions are all fucking terrible, even business ones.

TROONIX

>>716403940
I installed pop 2 months ago, won't ever go back to niggows

>>716404746
yes

but linux is worse so

>>716404825
Thats it? Is it not going to still keep screencapping everything I do on my computer?

>>716401150 (OP)
because nothing actually works on linux without requiring an afternoon of troubleshooting each time someone in the dependency chain farts in the wrong direction with their axe wound.
and even then most games don't actually work well on linux outside indie troon slop

>>716404495
>it just works.
does it though?
https://youtu.be/4VvdfjLgOfM

>>716404665
>n-no u, windblows user are the REAL trannies!!
Programmer socks

>>716404746
No. If you already have windows 10 there's little difference.

>>716404884
See on windows next month

>>716404904
Not sure if ltsc supports that, but it's off by default everywhere else. for now...

>>716403940
i considered that but cachyos seems more performant
also what browser to use that has sync and also has android version that doesnt suck (so no firefox)
im currently using edge

im thai btw

>>716404746
Normal users will not see much difference.

>>716404915
never happened to me so yes it does. no amount of anecdotes will change that. meanwhile you have to roll the dice when installing drivers.

>>716402973
>XFCE
Had that with this one chicago95 or something skin over it, feels just like windows 98 or xp classic theme but SO much cleaner and faster, so used to modern windows bloat i forgot what a smooth OS felt like

>>716404884
>got convinced to install an obsolete OS 3 years after it came out
you're ngmi long on linux anon
>>716403940
>COSMIC
it's not for you. it's for enterprise. they aren't spending millions of dollars to develop a rust based DE for you and me. they want redhat and canonical money.

>>716404130
gnome 3 sucked dick when i tried it a few years ago
it barely even runs on a low end system while kde runs perfectly

>>716401475
I gave CachyOS a try for a day recently, but quickly went back to Arch.
My experience with it is just that the pre-riced nature of it means that I'm constantly running into one edge case or another. At least with Arch I know that the cause is something I fucked up and therefor could reasonably know about and there is probably relevant troubleshooting immediately available due to thousands of people asking why something won't work, but CachyOS would require more involved digging.
And while I'm still not quite there yet with getting ALVR or WiVRN to work, I at least know I'm moving vaguely forward.

>>716405017
>meanwhile you have to roll the dice when installing drivers.
never happened to me! linux always just works, wintard.

>>716403940
>>716405113
COSMIC is interesting, I use it on my laptop but it does not work for gaming yet on desktop. Like, games just doesn't work for me when I tried COSMIC a week ago.

>>716401475
>>716404561
>CachyOS
Best things happened to Linux desktop

>>716405113
You’re not wrong. The average desktop ricer latches onto COSMIC thinking it’s the next KDE killer, but everything about it screams “designed by committee with enterprise checklists.” It’s not for anons who want to tinker or game - it’s for some sysadmin’s coffee-stained ThinkPad running container dashboards. You want a cozy DE to actually use? Stick to KDE or i3 with your own configs. COSMIC is showroom bait until it matures, if ever.

>>716405207
gnome 3 goes as far as like a decade ago, gnome is fast moving and is quite different from back then
>it barely even runs on a low end system
runs fine on my 3 low end pcs

>>716405207
I don't care about it running fast and efficiently, I care about it being designed intelligently with good defaults and an intuitive interface. Gnome is none of that.

>>716405218
i considered arch at first but i read that cachy is actually more performant so i went for that
>>716405341
i tried it on a really really low end spare pc i had at the time (i think it had 2gb of ram)
the fucking taskbar lagged

>>716401150 (OP)
Sneed

>>716405474
>the fucking taskbar lagged
well there is no taskbar now, so it ain't gonna lag lmao, but yeah 2 gb is too little for kde or gnome. get xfce or something.

>>716405553
the thing is that kde worked fine
ultimately went for xfce for that one though

>>716404746
Its not too bad if you disable the absurd system requirements and then debloat it.

gaming

>>716401150 (OP)
>playing games
>on linux

>>716404935
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/4319179/how-do-you-remove-pride-flag-from-task-bar?forum=windows-all&referrer=answers

lol

because my art apps dont work on linux yet, i still have a nvidia gpu and im too lazy to dualboot. but eventually...

>>716405832
>but microsoft being the corpo they are added a flag to the taskbar to pander to fags!
Programmer socks

>>716405832
fun fact it only does that if you're in the west

>>716401150 (OP)
I will move to Linux in 2032.

>>716405832

>>716405850
Isn't Krita the best for digital art? I don't know because I draw on my iPad.

Any REAL gamers out here?

Here's your heccin based troonix devs, sisters

>>716405729
>Screenshot 2025-07-25 150959.png
>phoneposter
into the trash it goes

>>716405703
i've always liked tunnels with windows like at the 10s-15s mark, shit looks so cool

>>716405882
lol

>>716406064
Programmer socks

>>716406064
Cool, now let's see the discord profiles of people involved in Linux development.

>>716405113
>>716404970

>>716405993
they look like nice people :)

>>716401336
>>716401368
>>716401517
>>716401608
>>716401867
GOOD MORNING SAAR DID YOU THE NEEDFUL TODAY SAAR?

>>716406093
https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2024/06/03/celebrating-pride-and-radical-joy/

lol

>>716405474
I guess since they ultimately both use pacman, you can just add the cachyOS repos and install the kernel it uses.

real tux gaming hours

>>716406158
They made bunch of these wallpapers just for you and your snowflake OS, sweety :)

>>716406252
Programmer socks

>>716406146
https://news.microsoft.com/features/microsoft-employees-join-pride-parades-in-seattle-and-around-the-globe/

lol

>>716405946
i was playing around with openSUSE in january and it was pretty neat but all my art apps either didnt work no matter what compatibility stuff i tried (wine, bottles, lutris, etc) or had weird ass graphical bugs (i guess due to my nvidia gpu?).

krita was one of the ones with a broken GUI, i couldnt get clip studio to install properly (the installer would always hang infinitely), my affinity suite also refused to work at all.

its really my only roadblock from using linux full time since i dont give a fuck about any of the windows only live service games except for war thunder. maybe I would have better luck with a different distro? i'm not really sure though

>>716406289
how nice of them! :D

>>716405993
are you trying to imply that linux is gay when compared to other, less gay operating systems? think about it for at least 120 seconds before replying

>>716401150 (OP)
I did for a while on my Fedora install, and while playing stuff out of the box on Steam is nice, it quickly got annoying when you have to do a bunch of Bottles/Lutris shit to install pirated/non-steam games, and even more annoying when you like to mod your games, which I do.
I don't want to have to pray to god every time I come across some obscure tool or mod installer.

Also, how come every single operating system discussion turns into which is the most tranny/woke? They are all tranny and woke. Why are we pretending like it matters which one posted the most recent rainbow flag?

>>716406340
Krita is linux native though you don't need to run it in Wine.

Heccin wholesome

>>716406285
game?

>>716406390
i didnt, i ran it natively but it had the issues i mentioned before

>>716406297
https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2019/05/30/microsoft-celebrates-pride-takes-action-for-equity-and-visibility/

lol

>>716406383
Good luck if the mod came with installer, or even .msi installer. Welcome back to Windows.

>>716406340
>maybe I would have better luck with a different distro?
probably not. wine does update regularly and you can try wine staging too, but other than that there's not much to do.
the real solution is to use a VM when you want to do artsy stuff. it's a bad solution for gaming, but it's perfectly fine for your image editing.

>ITT: YOU'RE A TRANNY! NO UR A TRANNY! x10000000

>>716406512
is it possible to pass pressure sensitivity from a graphics tablet (wacom/huion/that type of thing) to a vm?

If your primary interest is in games then there is no reason to switch to Linux. Everything is made more complicated for little to no benefit.
Linux is for codemonkeys.

>>716406530
You're a tranny. FAGGOT

>>716406452
Nigga are you serious right now?
Oblivion Remastered

>>716406530
You are on TROONIX gayming thread bro.

>>716406530
windows users are pajeets until they make the bold and truthful claim linux is for troons, then they're the trannies

>>716406630
Linux is for troons though

>>716406604
Oh, I see. Thanks.

maybe linux and windows both equally suck? have you guys ever thought of that?

>>716403750
Too much preinstalled bloat.
Arch + gnome-shell gives me an extremely lean and stable base that I can build upon and make it exactly how I want
Cured my distrohopping

>>716406749
Yeah Windows sucks, but at least I don't get malware from official repository lol

>>716402364
I miss when actual custom themes existed and the only options weren't Breeze and Adwaita

>>716406749
Yes windows sucks but at least I'm not a vegan.

I use Windows on my PC and Linux on my Deck.

>>716406572
i don't know, virtualization in general is very good and you can even get gpu passthrough if you break a sweat, but the pencil stuff is probably very low on the priority low so it's a coin toss. try gnome-boxes.

>>716406604
Never finished Oblivion and won't be playing the demaster.

>>716406862
The only sane poster ITT

>>716406791
when i was installing kubuntu on my laptop it had an option for a minimal install, which i was pretty happy with.

>>716406862
this, just use both. it's as easy as that.

>>716406923
>using wangblow on HIS pc
>sane
wrong
winshit only sufferable on a work pc

>>716406820
Kek, the windows store is notorious for having a bunch of Malware.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/malware-infiltrates-microsoft-store-via-clones-of-popular-games/

https://www.howtogeek.com/788382/beware-of-malware-in-windows-apps-on-the-microsoft-store/

https://cybersecuritynews.com/malicious-7zip-on-microsoft-app-store/

>>716407270
Troonix is for PHPslop and jeetware though, and headless without GUI, perfect for corpo stuff. Imagine using PHPOS for gaming lol.

>>716406181
>pretending that jeets arent the ones using linux

Linux is for work and servers and Windows is for pleasure.
Simple as.

if anybody really wants to try out linux for gaming i can help you as a fellow noob
i've figured out how to run most shit asides from some live service games with anticheat

>>716405993
>Posting the edit

>>716407375
>GUI
midwit spotted

>>716407445
You're midwit here though, troonix is intended for headless operation.

>>716401150 (OP)
I am not a tranny

>>716407431
>mfw can see the gay reflection from lamp above

>>716407486
>intended
toddler speaking

>>716407653
Yknow what, I want to continue to shit on your troonix thread, but that webm is glorious

>>716407382
they're not. jeets are all in on microsoft. half of them work for microsoft.

>>716406604
how are they hitting for 9999?

>>716408272
apparently we're both retarded.
https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/india/2024

>>716401150 (OP)
windows just werks

>>716408589
2% of 1.4 billion is a whole lotta people. it's something people forget when they diss the steam stats of 2.5% of linux players.

>>716408570
Well they have higher level and better gear
Yet 9999 isn't the maximum dealt damage in this game

>>716408702
ok but three out of four jeets use android as an operating system.
is it just including mobile stats or have those niggers really installed it on their computers?
with how many scammers they have i refuse to believe its purely mobile

>>716408702
That's not how statcounter works.
Statcounter registers hits, not unique users, so 2% represents the percentage of hits coming from browsers that say they are on Linux.
It also doesn't scan your OS to find out what it is, it just gets the information from your user agent.
It is getting information from the fraction of people in India who visit statcounter sites and hopes that they aren't lying by spoofing their useragent.
It is entirely likely that Durgadurgabrowser on Android or whatever is simply blacklisted because it is so poorly coded that it constantly reloads external databases for each open tab every 20 seconds, so new versions need to say that they are Chrome on Windows or whatever.

>>716408870
so basically they just farm and max out their stats and max out their weapons

>>716401150 (OP)
pirating is easier on windows

>me looking for Windows 11 activation key on the ebay

>>716401475
>>716405218
I tried CachyOS on one of my computers and I got graphical artifacts running a game in Wine. There's definitely some tomfoolery going on with that. Installed EndeavourOS on the same computer (too lazy to do Arch on it) and the artifacts were gone. Everything ran perfectly.

>>716409327
>Windows defender found and deleted a new threat: steam_api64.dll

spooky linux gaming

>>716406820
>Official
>AUR

>>716401150 (OP)
EndeavourOS has been treating me very well. I endorse it due to being an Arch distro that isn't bloated to hell while also having a straightforward installer. The only thing I really keep Windows around for at this point is Photoshop, since Krita and GIMP both come with annoyingly specific blindspots that make them unacceptable to me as full replacements; I've tried running Photoshop CS6 with WINE, but it's just a glitchy mess.

>>716401150 (OP)
because Linux is better

>>716406749
Computers suck, but now the suck balance weighs more on the Windows side than Linux's.
I doubt that's going to change any time soon.

>>716410613
>I doubt that's going to change any time soon.
the enshittification will only ramp up. services don't change once they start losing users, they only double down to make more money off the ones staying.

>linux is trannies
The part that gets me is there are anons autistic enough to believe this.
Use linux or don't.

If you're serious about it figure out which distro you want to use first. I recommend keeping a windows install on another drive in case there is something you want to do and don't feel like screwing around in linux. You won't lose your files in linux either, it will happily crawl the windows filesystem and even show you all the little hidden stuff windows normally wouldn't let you see which can be mildly interesting. I've daily drove it for like 3 years and never boot into windows. I game and do other things on it, it's great.

>>716401150 (OP)
What is Steamdeck?

>>716406820
Neither does arch if that's your example. AUR isn't the official repository and when you look up how to use it, the official instructions advise you to look out for malware and outright tell you that any tools that automate using AUR are unsupported. (It's painful to use it without a helper tool)

>>716404130
>You can hack around it with extensions, but GNOME devs often break those between releases.
use case for me not breaking your extensions?

>>716401150 (OP)
I don’t. I play balatro, hunniepop, apotris, and battle for wesnoth on my macbook and everything else on my switch 2.

>>716403773
>desktop environments

>>716401150 (OP)
I have a Razer gayming laptop and if I switch to linux I'll lose like 50% of my peak performance because I'm not using razer synapse, what else can I do besides killing myself for being retarded enough to buy a gayming laptop? a Razer one at that

>>716410928
Agree
What a fucking bloat

>>716410892
>gnome breaks extensions
you fundamentally misunderstand the purpose of extensions.
extensions exist because gnome developers don't want to work on your shitty features. gnome is not breaking your extensions, your extension maintainer isn't keeping up with gnome development.

>>716401150 (OP)
I'm going to install mint actually
win7 is getting clunkier and clunkier
lots of tutorials on installing linux but not on maintaining it
what should I be doing when it comes to day to day usage?

>>716401608
Get some better taste in games holy shit nigger

>>716411076
>what should I be doing when it comes to day to day usage?
nothing? it's not arch. it updates itself automatically and all the software tied to the repository.

>>716409556
show me how to pirate UT2004 on linux

>>716410794
The only thing I can add to this is: GET A SEPARATE DRIVE FOR FILES YOU WANT TO ACCESS FROM BOTH WINDOWS AND LINUX, AND FORMAT IT IN EXT4. Windows is a jealous bitch and will corrupt itself on purpose if it finds out that Linux has written to NTFS-formatted drives too often for its liking. You can get a driver for Windows to read and mount EXT drives, hence why I suggest formatting shared drives that way (especially if you're planning on a shared game drive between the two since EXFat has issues too).

>>716411076
I use arch and my maintenance is pacman -Syu every once in a while. That's it. I mean what else would there even be?

>>716411369
you need to grease pacman every 2 weeks and be polite when issuing commands. if there's something you really need, make sure to use ALL CAPS.

>>716411349
You go on rutracker and download native ut2004 for Linux? That's what I did

>>716401608
Casual detected

>>716410757
Yeah, people using Windows would shrug off having Ads on their start menu, co-pilot screen shooting everything, OneDrive copying your files, and having any other stupid shit in their pc but I'm not fucking dealing with that shit anymore.

>>716404130
>KDE Plasma has historically had bloat and bugs, especially around Plasma 5.0 days. But as of Plasma 5.27 and now Plasma 6, it’s arguably the most stable and feature-rich DE on Linux.

>Lunix has historically been dogshit, But as of 1994, it’s arguably the most stable and feature-rich OS
>Lunix has historically been dogshit, But as of 2001, it’s arguably the most stable and feature-rich OS
>Lunix has historically been dogshit, But as of 2012, it’s arguably the most stable and feature-rich OS
>Lunix has historically been dogshit, But as of 2025, it’s arguably the most stable and feature-rich OS

>>716411076
Mint is pretty schway and will take care of itself. It will let you know know there are updates available on the icon. Or you just run the updater once a week.

>>716406820
AUR is a user repository with a big notice that says verify what you install. This one was sniffed out pretty quick too because the guy showed up, said OMG DOWNLOAD MY STUFF which promoted users to investigate it. 44

>>716401150 (OP)
Linux offers no incentive to switch from what works.

>>716411716
KDE is LOL
GNOME is the way to go. It's simple, clean, smooth, and doesn't look like shit or bogged down with bloat.
Homosexuals will never accept that reality.

Yeah I just use KDE and don't really have any problems.

I am sure EVE was running Linux while WALL-E was running FreeBSD

>>716411886
Gnome stopped being good after 2.
It's now more resource intensive than KDE.

>>716413335
>more resource intensive
assuming that's true, which i doubt, what the fuck do i care? i have 32 gbs of ram and more than enough cpu cycles. i want something that looks good and runs perfectly.

>>716413804
Game?

lost technology

I ditched W10 for EndeavorOS a while back and I'm almost disappointed with how painless my experience has been. Every game I've tried has just worked through proton without any configuration needed (granted I don't play any games with kernel level anticheat). All controllers and peripherals work with zero issues. Some software actually run better on Linux than they did on Windows, like Krita and Calibre. I miss Notepad++, but that's about it. Only thing I've had to learn that's different from Windows has been downloading programs through the terminal, which turns out to not just be dead simple but also faster and more convenient than using a browser to search and download stuff. I feel like a fraud Linux user because I haven't had to do any cool problem solving at all.

No thanks, I'll stick with Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021.

>>716414802
amid evil

>>716415012
Damn I'm stupid I already have this in my library, I'll play it

>>716414879
Buy an ad.

>>716413497
> i have 32 gbs of ram and more than enough cpu cycles.
Don't care, didn't ask plus not your personal blog
>i want something that looks like droid shit
Get a taste

>>716401150 (OP)
Waste of time back in 2009 when I accidentally started downloading a 32-bit GPU driver and cancelling it instantly broke Xorg, forcing a reinstall, which led to the longest-going Windows install I've ever had, through upgrade installs all the way to Windows 11. But seeing stuff like the work on the RADV driver's Ray Tracing emulation on GCN and basically doing AMD's work of porting FSR4 to their 7000 series, I would have installed on a new build if the CachyOS team didn't just ignore you if you're not a developer.

>>716414879
>I miss Notepad++, but that's about it.
There's Kate but true penguins should master vim/emacs

>>716401150 (OP)
I kinda need these.

>>716414879
Some people get filtered hard by the 'it works differently' stuff, even though it's not that complicated.
I also miss Notepad++, and AIMP but It's not biggie
Also
>EndeavorOS
>Krita

>>716415593
No you do not. Use Gimp and Inkscape.

Which distro is the most stable for gaming? I don't mind tinkering a bit as long as it works.

>I prefer Proton over Native
traitor

>>716415735
if you want "it just works" bazzite
if you want to tinker with it, arch and derivatives (endeavourOS, cachyOS...)

>>716401150 (OP)
I'm not but i can understand why people do it, Linux is shit and you have to learn it.
Win10+ is a bigger shit than Linux, which is why i use linux, but neither are good.
Win7 was the last good OS.
Now it's all shit copying android or being obtuse and it's a downhill to hell.
I will live to see computing going to shit.

>>716415649
GIMP and Inkscape do not have CMYK colorspace support for print projects (posters, brochures, books, magazines, etc.) like Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign have, and they have no ETA for it either.

I'm currently working on a project right now and I want to make sure the colors that come out of the printer match what is on the screen, and I can't guarantee that if the document is in RGB colorspace.

>>716405703
What game? Motocross Mania?

>>716416075
Moto Racer 1997

>>716416191
Thanks anon. Dripping with soul.

>>716401150 (OP)
Can I run native GeForce Now on it yet? It's the only way to run certain games with anti-cheat on Linux and the web version has way too much latency.

Even modern slop runs

Isn't Windows an Indian OS now?

Every single Linux nerd i met is just constantly tinkering with Linux because something is always broken.

>>716417013
not yet

>>716417445
GO TO THE BATHROOM

>>716417013
>javascript for parts of the ui
It definitely is, saar.

>>716417441
Linuxfags are like someone living next to an airport or a train. They're so used to the problems that they forget they even exist. There is no reasoning with them.

>>716416597
Only on Steam Deck
There's third party client though https://flathub.org/apps/io.github.astralvixen.geforce-infinity

>>716417625
Gnome must be super jeet then

My only experience with Linux is I was doing something on my steam deck and encountered a file that would only run if you ran it from your desktop. Linuxfags think this is totally normal and don't see any problem.

>>716401150 (OP)
Because Windows just fucking works. Linux is a glitchy mess where you spend more time jerking off to terminal commands than actually gaming. Proton? Steam Deck? Half your library still runs like shit or not at all. Drivers? A nightmare. Updates? Break your system. Windows boots, installs, and plays without making you read a 500-page manual. And at the end of the day it's what fucking matters.

>>716414879
>downloading programs through the terminal, which turns out to not just be dead simple but also faster and more convenient than using a browser to search and download stuff
The Linux classic. "This objectively shitty way of doing things is actually better!"

>>716417828
what problems does linux have? have you ever used it, or are you just trolling based on what you "heard" others say?
i have fedora and pop os installed on my systems and haven't had a single problem with anything. gaming, content creation, basic every day usage.
so are these problems in the room with us or are you just making shit up?

>>716418004
>My only experience with Linux is I was doing something on my steam deck and encountered a file that would only run if you ran it from your desktop.
>retard was filtered by .desktop entry
many such cases

>>716401150 (OP)
>still playing video games on Windows
Still doing anything on windows spynet™

>>716404808
You're kicking the can, LTSC 2019 extended support ends in 2029, and LTSC 2021 ends in 2027
>>716405929
big difference between a person's username on a blog post and your actual desktop

>>716401150 (OP)
But I don't OP
I have been Windows free since the first DXVK release and I won't ever go back

>>716418154
>Typing sudo apt install Firefox and enter takes hours
>Opening edge, searching for Firefox , click download, double clicking, click install, next, next, finish. takes nanoseconds.

>>716418203
Mate this whole thread is people complaining about problems Linux has and people trying to fix it. Windows users just get on to do their tasks and go about their day.
You get Linux if you're a hyperausitic sperg who needs constant attention to fixing shit. The OS is garbage for the average user.

>>716418420
Most problems are created by the people themselves.
>I'm going to try Linux
>Installs it, updates it.
>wow it works! I am a fucking HaX0R now!
>Starts fucking with shit he doesn't understand because he say some faggot on YouTube do it.
>Breaks it
>NOOOO FUCKING LINUX SUCKS IT WASN'T MY FAULT I WAS FUCKING WITH SHIT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, NOOOOO I HATE LINUX NOW
This happens more times than you realize.

mfw when i've managed to setup a qemu vm with gpu passthrough so i can seamlessly switch to windows whenever linux sucks

>>716418208
It's objectively retarded and shouldn't exist

>>716418642
So you still can't play games that aren't running on Linux (kernel level malware)

>>716416047
3.0 or krita

>>716418845
I agree, retards shouldn't exist but there's nothing Linux can do with it

>>716401336
>have a job
you don't have a life.

>>716418651
Such a kino game, what are the devs making next?

>>716403750
They had a scandle with kinda sorta putting spyware a decade ago and if you can't read source code why take the risk.

>>716402973
>XFCE
I wish I could customize it to something I like, but KDE makes it so much easier for me. I like it when it looks like a mix of XP and Windows 7

>>716418981
You have failed to provide an argument

>>716404026
False.

>>716418581
>Give the exactly directions on how to do X (you don't need touch terminal)
>Dumbfuck complain that shit don't run or is broken because he touched terminal with some dumb shit

Honestly, it's baffling given that modern distros are tard proof as possible. You can get everything with few clicks on GUI and maybe an argument or two for dlls if using wine.

>>716414951
This has to be fake. I have over 200 games on Steam and over 95% of my library works just fine. And 100% of my ~120 games on GOG work without any issues at all.
A 20% compatibility rate (with 10%-30% "kinda works") was something that's true back between 2012 and 2018.

>>716418857
not interested in genshin and shooter slop
I still have a spare laptop to play them if there's ever a cold day in hell

>>716401150 (OP)
Linux isn't convenient enough.

>>716401150 (OP)
Because cheat engine and speedhack is only working on windows
>b-b-b-but
no, the speedhack only works on windows regardless of what fuckery you try, including VMs

>>716415593
I need blender.
Also Unreal Engine 5.6 has weird bugs on linux.

>>716419660
>I need blender.

Blender has been running natively on Linux for decades.

>>716419732
What about UE?

>>716401150 (OP)
Because of the complete shitshow that is the GUI side of Linux.

It's good for development, basic office work, and as a server OS.

>>716419483
It's right on ProtonDB's site: https://www.protondb.com/dashboard
The number gets significantly better if you include games that require tweaks, but I don't need tweaks on Windows. If Linux is more of a pain to use than Windows, why the hell should I switch to it?

>>716415649
Why would I use crippled, awkward tools that don't even work well for hobbyists?

>>716419660
>I need development tools
>most devs use linux and pretty much everything have support since forever.

>>716419216
>EXPLAIN WHY I CAN ONLY RUN A .DESKTOP FILE ON MY DESKTOP
kek

>>716419793
Epic started distributing Linux binaries for UE back in July 2022 but years before that you could compile the source code for it.

UE5's Linux support and Vulkan renderer still has some kinks but it's come a really long way since the Early Access builds in 2021.

>Serious Sam 2 - Linux Beta

>>716415593
Look into WinApps. It's basically just a Virtual Machine, except your Windows apps will be slightly integrated into your system.
The setup for it is ass and could take a couple of hours if you don't know what you're doing, but once you've got it set up it's super easy.
And yes, it's going to take up more resources because you'd run 2 OSs at the same time, but the benefit is isolating Windows into it's cuck cage.

>>716415941
>you have to learn it
You had to learn Android and iOS and both were shit until a decade ago (or in the case of iOS, until a couple of years ago)

>>716416597
Yes. It's officially supported only on SteamOS, but it's literally just a flatpak so you can install it by adding the official nVidia flatpak repository. It's just a matter of copying 2-3 lines of terminal commands.

>>716415735
bazzite i guess
im using cachyos though because i heard its the most performant
i also run with mitigations=off because fuck it we ball

>>716419921
>>716420082
Yeah, well, I watched this video and I am not filled with confidence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai0iYLr07Cc

>>716420009
On windows I dont have to put files in specific places to run them. What is the benefit of a file that can ONLY be run from the desktop.

>Install radom distro that supposedly is good for gaming
>webview isn't hardware accelerated on nvidia and I have to do some arcane thing that doesn't work
>games stuck at 60fps for some reason
>decide troubleshooting isn't fun outside of work
>go back to windows
My journey

>>716420317
his issue is that he is using unusual DE (hyprland)

>>716401150 (OP)

>>716401608
hahahahhahahaha

>>716420328
>What is the benefit of a file that can ONLY be run from the desktop.
There is no such thing. The anon is fucking with you. ".desktop" files can be run from anywhere unless they're specifically designed otherwise. You'll never interact with them at all anyways, they're just going to appear in your app menu.
What you're doing is effectively just complaining about moving a Windows shortcut file or Windows script/.bat which uses relative paths and then it "not working". You're interacting with a file in a way it's not intended to be interacted with. Might as well start deleting shit from your system32.

>>716420394
>games stuck at 60fps for some reason
This is called vsync, anon.

>>716420508
I choose to believe you and I will test it when I have enough free time. If you lie to me, I will be somewhat upset.

>>716420189
How many normies you think would be able to deal with this?
https://archlinux.org/news/linux-firmware-2025061312fe085f-5-upgrade-requires-manual-intervention/

It is a simple commandline thing, but finding why etc..

>>716419358
I don't know if it's laziness, arrogance, or just outright stupidity... honestly it is baffling.

>>716420757
I downloaded a file and it wouldnt run. I didn't touch it, I had to fuck with it to make it work. Linux blows.

>>716420916
Arch isn't made for normies, anon. Nobody aside from trolls is recommending it to new users. New users are generally guided to use Mint, Bazzite, Nobara.

>>716420997
>had to fuck with it to make it work.
It's a security feature to not allow files you've randomly downloaded to execute. You can right click on it and check the "allow to execute" checkbox, or if you're using KDE Plasma as your DE like most people do, you can simply just run it and you'll be asked "are you sure". The experience is pretty much identical to Windows with UAC.

>>716420739
For some reason KDE uses 2 file pickers, one works, the other doesn't. Most of the time uses the shit one.

>>716420157
>Serious Sam 2 - Linux Beta
Based.
>>716419483
>This has to be fake.
It's not fake. It's from ProtonDB. What's not shown in the screenshot is that those are the statistics for only the top 10 games.
It doesn't actually say what the 10 games are, nor does it specify by what metric they are "top", but I would guess that it's the 10 most-played games according to some SteamDB query. In any case, it's not surprising that the most popular games (generally online multiplayer games with anti-cheat spyware) would have much lower than average compatibility. The statistics are much better for the top 100 and even better for the top 1000, which you can view on the same site.
>>716419859
>If Linux is more of a pain to use than Windows, why the hell should I switch to it?
If that's how you feel about it, then you shouldn't switch. Was that hard to figure out? How long have you been coming into Linux threads to announce that you won't switch to Linux? Do you need someone to tell you it's okay to stay on Windows? It's okay to stay on Windows. I hope this helps.

>>716421207
Isn't bazzite arch?

>>716421551
no. it's fedora with flatpaks and a bunch of gaming shit preinstalled

>Complain about linux
>Use linux every day on their phones

Yes i know that android is clamped to shit.

>>716420828
stick with defaults (default DE and everything)
still cant guarantee it'll be entirely trouble free though

>>716418004
>>716418208
But that doesn't even make sense, unless .desktop files being runnable only from the desktop is a KDE thing. I can run .desktop files from any folder on Linux Mint Cinnamon. A .desktop file is meant to be a menu shortcut or a desktop shortcut, but if I copy one of my desktop shortcuts onto ~/Documents and then open ~/Documents in Nemo, I can double-click the .desktop file and it will still work.

>>716421684
the only reason linux works on phones is because it's clamped to shit
and even then fucktards still find ways to break it
once again proving that linux a shit

>>716418392
And IoT LTSC ends in 2032, which by that point either loonix gets better or wangblows backpedals on their troonery. both wishful thinking though

>>716421747
If not I'll just emulate windows 10 or 11 inside of Linux and call it a day. Been meaning to do it for a while now anyway. I'll just plug in my 1050 ti for Linux and pop into the VM with my 3060 for everything else.

>>716421601
Ah true.
Yeah, it's like a "whole sale static distro" right?

>>716421551
It doesn't matter if a "distro is Arch under the hood", what matters is that it's set up to work for your random grandpa or kid out of the box and that it doesn't require maintenance. Which is exactly what Bazzite achieves.
And no, you're confusing Bazzite for SteamOS. SteamOS is based on Arch. Bazzite is based on Fedora Kinoite.

>>716421856
He said in a later comment that he downloaded a file from somewhere. The file was probably not flagged to be executable so he had to change the permissions of it. I assume he then found the chmod command instead of just using the GUI for handling this.

>>716420757
>This is called vsync, anon.
The DE sees my refresh rate at 144hz and I turned vsync off by default since vrr works

>>716421945
Nah, valve help a lot with linux stuff since steamOS, and devs finally are doing GUI rather than let terminal handle everything.

Still not quite there but miles ahead from 10 years ago or so.

>>716421856
He's a retard who didn't know what he was doing. Desktop entries could be run from anywhere as long as they have executable permission (even from the terminal)

>>716422085
Yes, was thinking a bit, and these "steam OS like" distros work on a more tested as a whole block of OS right?
That can work.

>>716422086
In that case I have no idea what the issue is. Some games intentionally lock themselves to up to 60fps, but I assume your game isn't one of those because you wouldn't complain about it since it would behave the same on Windows.

>>716422186
Yeah, likes of bazzite and Mint are more tested and tend to have outdated paks as result since it update slower than bleeding edge distros like Arch.

Isn't bad for first time users but outdated software can be annoying as shit.

>>716422085
>>716422154
He implied that it did run from his desktop though. Do .desktop files on KDE's ~/Desktop run without chmod +x?
I noticed that menu entries (i.e. .desktop files in {/usr,~/.local}/share/applications) don't need execute permission to work in Cinnamon, but desktop entries (the ones in ~/Desktop) do. I don't know how it is in KDE and I'm too lazy to boot up my Steam Deck to find out.

>>716422489
When running desktop entry from any location KDE will show a disclaimer that if press "yes" will give it executable permission and run it

>>716422154
>>716422489
In windows a retard can download a file and run it. In linux he can't and you can't even figure out why he's retarded.

>>716422846
That what makes Linux more secure: retards can't run random executables downloaded from web

>>716422660
Well in that case, I'm back to wondering exactly what non fucked up. But if he did say desktop entries "shouldn't exist" then he can go fuck himself. I love them. Windows shortcuts are disgusting by comparison.
>shitty little arrow icon
>display name is the filename
>not plaintext
Gross.
>>716422846
>In windows a retard can download a file and run it. In linux he can't
If the problem is indeed that he didn't make the file executable, then this is a good thing. I don't want every file to be executable by default, and what stupid people can or can't comprehend isn't my problem. If you want me to admit that Linux isn't for morons, then I will concede that without hesitation.

>>716422148
This is true. I started using Linux in 2014. It was a complete mess. It was usable, but very clunky. It got much better around 2020, but it got exceptionally good 2 years ago.

>>716422186
Bazzite and it's sibling distros (Aurora, Bluefin) are directly based on Fedora Kinoite/Silverblue and they just apply their own updates on top. The "Atomic" system that's used is basically like stacking lego blocks. It's stable as fuck.
The testing is primarily done by the teams behind Fedora and RedHat, which are basically the "leaders" or at least in the top 4 most relevant distributions.

>>716422489
You can run any executable on KDE without chmod +x. It's done for you when you double click on a file. You're just asked to confirm that you're running a currently untrusted file.

>>716422971
you joke but that's unironically true, i remember my 8 year old nephew tried to start a bunch of exes on his pc he randomly downloaded from the web.

>>716423069
Nice.

>>716422971
But i want open my narutolinkinparkamvroyg@ld.wav.mp4.exe

>>716422971
I thought the appeal of linux was that it has more freedom than windows.

>>716423214
it does, if you remove the safeguards by typing sudo in the terminal

>>716423214
You control which files are executable or not, there's no nanny going "no no" you can't control or need to do some retarded dance, like OSX does.

>>716423069
>It's done for you when you double click on a file. You're just asked to confirm that you're running a currently untrusted file.
That's only if KDE recognizes it as some common executable format, right? Because if it's a text file, for example, then I would expect it to open in a text editor. (But if it's a text file ending in .sh then it's reasonable to assume the user might want to run it. Cinnamon asks if I want to view or run a .sh script, but only if it's already executable, so I don't think it cares about the extension.)

>>716423015
>Windows shortcuts are disgusting by comparison.
I agree. The fact that they're binary files make it complete pita to edit.
>you joke but that's unironically true
As a matter of fact I dont. On Windows you have domain policies that restrict where you can run executables and on Linux you have "noexec" mount option.

>>716423214
You have permission to make your own files executable. There is no lack of freedom in this context.

>>716401150 (OP)
I could never figure out how to play FFXI and get CurePlease healing bot to work at the same time on linux despite my best efforts so I had to go back to Windows.

Otherwise my experience with Linux was mostly positive. A few mods were impossible to figure out how to install too but those were never deal breakers. I need my FFXI fix.

>>716423214
Modern windows throw a hissy fit on any downloaded file, its annoying to disable and even then you cannot disable entirely.

You can bypass most security stuff on linux with sudo or terminal, but those basic safeguards are there with a good reason.

>>716423214
>filesystem permissions are hurting my freedom!
Thread becomes more funny with each post

>>716423327
>windows: asks permission
>linux: won't even ask permission unless you answer its riddles three

linux haters are so desperate

>>716423214
>freedom
>>716423610
>riddles
????

>>716423610
I can just right click and enable execution on the property.
But the "pick what will open it with" if there's no execute permission is a bit obscure.
But still better than the "you need to go to the obscure security control panel and type your password" shit OSX does unless you know some bypass that they removed from the newer versions.

>>716423610
>retard wants to run malware on windows
>click "ok"
>system compromised
>retard wants to run malware
>it gives him 2nd grade riddle to solve
>he can't
>system is safe
Wow I see now how Linux was developed with the security in mind

>>716401336
>have a family
>have a job
you have no life
also lol lmao @ having a family in 2025

>linux breaks
>linuxfags aren't even aware it could break like that and get confused

>>716424052
>someone claims linux is le broken
>gives practically no details at all
>people have to assume what he meant
wowww

>>716401150 (OP)
I think I'm too stupid.

>>716424052
this but windows

>>716423409
.desktop files are considered executable

>>716424169
lots of people are, don't feel bad about it.

>>716424169
This, I get stuck on linux riddles constantly. Spend hours asking ChatGPT and google how to do something that is simple on windows.

>>716424225
Sure, that makes sense.

>>716424127
It's always PEBKAC

>>716401608
>fortnite
>cod
>league
>valorant
actual troon

>>716424169
My sub-80 IQ friends moved to Linux (Bazzite, Nobara, Mint) and they're completely fine with it. If you're at least on the intelligence level of people who flunked high school math multiple times, then you'll be fine.

>download .desktop file
>attempt to run .desktop file
>nothing happens
>move file to desktop
>double click
>runs

>>716424618
Works on my machine.

>>716424618
>things
>that
>didn't
>happen
>because
>you
>don't
>just
>download
>.desktop
>files

>>716424682
I figured he was referring to a .desktop entry that came with some program.
He should still figure out his skill issue on some tech support forum instead of just whining about it on a video game board, though.

>>716424682
As a matter of fact you do download .desktop files on Steam Deck for things like Decky Loader, GyroDSU and Cryoutils, but I never had any problem with running them from anywhere so I guess he's just retard

>>716423850
based cinnabro

>>716406530
Despite being less than 1% of the population, white, mtf transgender folk make up over half of all substantial open source contributions.

>>716425097
k

>>716424682
>open desktop file with text editor
>copy the exec command
>run it from the terminal
problem solved.

>>716424225
>>716423069
>You can run any executable on KDE without chmod +x. It's done for you when you double click on a file. You're just asked to confirm that you're running a currently untrusted file.
Oh, Linux Mint/Cinnamon does that for desktop entries too. I didn't even realize.
I had only seen the "open it or run it" prompt for shell scripts.

Desktop, Laptop, Steamdeck, Phone, Server - all running Linux now. I was a big Windows faggot 5 years back.
I'm still a faggot but I use Linux now.

>>716424810
In trying to recreate the problem the only conclusion I can come to is that I was opening it instead of executing since it gives me the option to do both from the file explorer but from the desktop it just executes, but I'm sure it wasn't doing that before. It would just open with no execute option, if it had shown both options I would have tried both before getting frustrated with it.

>>716424810
I would assume that people who like to tinker with their devices to the point where they need DeckyLoader would know how to run a single executable file.
In any case, DeckyLoader seems to just be a shell script that's distributed as a .desktop file to make it easier to use. Or rather, to make it easier to find in the app menu (I assume).

This is what the .desktop file executes:

sh -c 'rm -f /tmp/user_install_script.sh; if curl -S -s -L -O --output-dir /tmp/ --connect-timeout 60 https://github.com/SteamDeckHomebrew/decky-installer/releases/latest/download/user_install_script.sh; then bash /tmp/user_install_script.sh; else echo "Something went wrong, please report this if it is a bug"; read; fi'

>>716425228
Pretty much, but it's less user friendly especially on handhelds.

>>716425318
Users usually don't use .desktop files directly, which is probably why you've never seen this. It just looks like there have been some gaming-related or handheld-related programs which are distributed as .desktop files nowadays.

>>716425543
That's the funny part. I make and edit desktop entries all the time. I guess I just hadn't tried running one before manually making it executable (which is required for Cinnamon/Nemo to show the icon so it's very obvious when it hasn't been done yet). Or at least I hadn't tried it recently enough to remember what happens.

>>716425387
>that cowsay
This is why freedom is bad.
People shouldn't be allowed to type naughty things offline in the privacy of their own homes.

>>716427947
I'm rewriting cowsay to require a network connection and filter bad words rn

>>716427947
Works on my proprietary OS!

>>716428520
The difference is Apple just alerted the feds that you're a racist and now you're on a list.

>>716428520
even macos is better than windows. just fuck windows, it's such garbage.

>>716428652
Pretty sure using 4chan already gave that away.

>>716401150 (OP)
I tried gaming with different distros and it is always a hassle and there is always something broken, despite the competability projects that are out there. Windows just works with every game no fuss. I still keep linux vms for cyber education since most cyber edu is revolving around linux. I have a basic+ understanding of linux and how it works; zero knowlage about how windows works :p but hey, games work on it.

>>716428883
This. I keep a Windows desktop for gaming, Linux on a Thinkpad for everything else.

>>716401150 (OP)
I still play games that require kernel level anticheat. Yes I know it's a security risk. Yes I know dedicated servers are more effective. None of that makes a practical difference when my friends want to play a few rounds of CoD zombies and the only thing that will run BO6 is windows.

>>716428883
This except I kept using Linux for gaming anyway because fuck Windows.
There's no reason to be on Linux for gaming unless you're a Windows hater, and if you are then you'll be willing to put up with occasional issues.

>>716429881
You could always just use GeForce Now or a virtual machine.

>>716430293
>suggesting shit that add input latency to an anon playing a fps online with friends
You're an asshole

>>716430293
Most kernel level anticheats are pretty good at detecting being run in a VM now, and will refuse to run. Geforce Now is absolutely an option I hadn't considered though

>>716401368
>Not using moebuntu

>>716430136
Pirate Windows anytime.
Why do you hate Windows, anon? Win10 is serviceable after some tinkering.

>>716430621
>suggesting anon needs 0 latency for casually competitive games played with friends
Grow up. Unless you're in the top 1% of players you don't need better latency than what a streaming service provides.

>>716431068
>Grow up
I will, by using an OS that just works and doesn't waste my time.

>>716431125
So I guess you're not using Windows then?

>>716431278
Correct. I use macOS. The only system where games "just work".

>>716430881
>pirate windows
you do realize the only reason it's so easy to pirate windows is that microsoft wants you on their platform, they want you in their ecosystem so you can use their products, so you can get advertised to and so they can harvest your data.

>>716431525
>literally the shittiest of the 3 options
>"games just work"
You almost had me, anon.

>>716431676
>no need to fiddle with settings because the game knows exactly what your hardware supports
>no shader stutter because the hardware configurations are all accounted for and precompiled
>able to game on battery
>whisper quiet
Yeah, it's objectively the best platform and more games get ported to it every day

>>716431875
mac has the smallest gaming userbase, it has terrible hardware for gaming, and most games will not work on it.
but yes, tell us more about how you spent more money to get a worse pc.

>>716431875
You have to use a shit paid emulator to run anything that is not ported natively, and most open source anything is barely supported because you need to have a mac to build to mac.

>>716430881
I hate Windows for the same reason that you barely tolerate it. I just tolerate it even less.
If you don't know what I mean, then ask yourself why you're recommending 10 instead of 11, and presumably would have recommended 7 before programs stopped supporting it. Even Windows lovers use the oldest supported version because they know it gets worse with every upgrade.

>>716432429
>I hate
You need to learn how to live your life without hate

>>716431525
>macOS
oof
For some reason, there are certain people cheering for the impending death of 32-bit support on Linux as well, as if the existence of optional 32-bit packages is actually hurting them or something. But in 20 years we're all going to be on ARM emulating x86 with dogshit performance anyway.

>>716433080
>32 bit packages on linux
yes we need to remove them, they are a huge maintenance burden on the ecosystem.
fuck steam for forcing everyone to keep the dependencies around.

>>716433080
>you have to crack your PC with a modchip to be able to install a clean version of windows without the computer vendor malware like mcafee

>>716433194
Fuck you. There are 32-bit games that I can't recompile.

>>716433194
They can be removed once Linux gets something like WOW64. Until then, fuck no. It's not just Steam that requires 32bit. It's pretty much every video game released before 2010.

>>716433406
use wow64 like everyone else.

>>716433487
I didn't say Windows games.

>>716432429
Windows 10 and 11 are complete abominations that should never have seen the light of day. Unfortunately linux devs are too busy sucking each other off to actually create a distro that would completely BTFO windows.

Mint Cinnamon or Mint Xfce?

>>716433601
After trying dozens of distros, Garuda Linux is the one that managed to finally win over my family who had been refusing to make the switch. All those so called beginner friendly ones like Mint had some big problems.

i had to go back temporarily because my vr headset doesn't work on linux with nvidia yet

>>716401150 (OP)
I am using linux Mint. So far gaming on the windows was better or equal.

Games I can no longer run:
Hearthstone- Freezes, too slow
Dwarf Fortress- too slow, crashes quickly

Now, I am using a shit laptop and I am not complaining, but still, they worked on windows (10)

>>716403773
Gnome is fucked and I hate it.

>>716433829
>hearthstone
works fine on my pc. wine staging and the usual lutris wrapping. what are you doing?

>>716433906
vanilla gnome is goat and i love it.

>>716401368
why do you have just a solid color for a background?

>waste an afternoon each on various Linux gaming distros
>no matter the driver, no matter the proton configuration, single digit fps performance always
It just wasn't worth any further fucking around ultimately. And desu I was rooting for at least one distro to give me results, but nope. And I'm talking single digit performance in games I normally can lock at 120 fps. So clearly something wrong, but oh well.

>>716433829
I'm playing lot of stuff with a 4gb toaster and incel graphics.

What you using?

>>716433829
>Dwarf Fortress- too slow, crashes quickly
Isn't that the normal Dwarf Fortress experience no matter the OS?
In any case, Mint isn't really known as a good gaming distro. Dependencies, gfx libraries and drivers are basically 2 years behind anything based on Arch or Fedora, unless you manually configure Mint to use newer versions.

>>716434146
>single digit performance
nvidia has worse performance on linux, but it's not that bad. check that your pc is actually using the gpu and not the igpu.

>>716434146
stop using server operating systems for desktop use. problem solved

>>716434146
Most of those distros don't come pre-packaged with nvidia's proprietary drivers but instead they come with that shoddy open source one. I made the same mistake and was wondering why I was getting such awful FPS but then I found out how to correctly install the proprietary drivers and now it works great.

>>716434559
>Most of those distros don't come pre-packaged with nvidia's proprietary drivers but instead they come with that shoddy open source one.
that's because they are not legally allowed to distribute it, same goes for ffmpeg. blame nvidia, again.

>>716434315
That was almost certainly the problem but it's too late now. He already went back to Windows.

>>716433940
it was a bit dodgy on win10, like after an hour of battleground it would get slow. so it's was already on the edge of not being playable.
I assume it's similar with dwarf fortress?? seems mint uses less memory/ram (by a lot) but more CPU.

>>716434175
not really, it held well on windows. on Mint it's about 5 mins to a crash. the same world could run for hours on win10. Win10 would give a pop up to end program after ~30mins to an hour but you could ignore it and it would keep chugging along.
Same world. I didn't care to test a new DF world.
on win10 the frames was 10-12 on mint it was 4-8. (I suspect difference is in CPU usage.)

>In any case, Mint isn't really known as a good gaming distro.
I believe you. I am liking it much more than windows 10 in other ways.

>>716434161
4gb memory
core duel processor 2.2ghz
Radeon HD 4570 (1,024 MB of DDR2)
>>716434006
wtf is vanilla gnome?
anyway all the ones I have used have been a nightmare and idk how to even fix it. it makes me sick.

>>716434927
if he was motivated enough to install linux once, he'll be back the next time microsoft shits the bed.

>>716434906
At least nvidia can't affect you if you don't use their pro- >>716420916

Fucking nvidia

>>716435040
>vanilla gnome
it's upstream gnome. gnome without yaru. gnome without shitty appicon indicators. gnome without minimize and maximize buttons. gnome without desktop icons.

>>716406481
Programmer socks

>>716411459
thanks ill try that

>>716435040
>duel processor

but umm I am, thought

>>716434175
>Mint isn't really known as a good gaming distro.
What is the distro for gaymers? I thought Mint was the best

>>716434161
oh wait I used wine for dwarf fortress and... PortProton for hearthstone.
currently using PortProton for the emulators.

>>716435040
That's some ancient toaster.

>>716435428
no it's not. mint uses old packages which means old drivers which is usually a bad idea for gaming.
but with 4gb ram you're fucked no matter what. probably get your hands on xfce.

>>716435392
great choice sister

>>716435519
>proton for emulators

What? Emulators always have linux build.

>>716435524
Is rough but fine if you using for emulator box or even just browse internet/watch videos.

>>716435521
idk man, the cpu lets it down, but it shouldn't be that unusable.
I never thought it would run modern games with high graphics. I did think it could run hearthstone. or other games It could've ran years ago. (league of legends etc)

>>716435428
Bazzite, Nobara, Garuda. They're general desktop distros, but offer many improvements for gamers. Also they're semi-rolling or rolling release distros, which is exactly what you'd want on a desktop OS because everything will be up to date.
Mint is using an update/release model designed for servers where things are designed to not change for years. Which leaves it far behind in feature updates, including drivers and even sometimes compatibility with the latest Proton.

Alternatively, Batocera Linux if you're looking for something that's immediately setup for console emulation, but not for desktop use.

>>716401368
>discord
>spotify
based groomer

>>716435596
>some literal trannies work for free so I can enjoy great and stable system
If you do not endorse unpaid tranny labor then I do not know what to say to you

>>716411016
bruh

>>716411076
Mint only needs to be updated monthly.
If you pick ext4 as a file system it will defrag automatically you don't need to do anything, but I would recommend picking BTRFS as a file system instead. This allows you to program regular snapshots of your system with Timeshift, when you first install your system I advise you to manually create a snapshot and then restore it just to have some practice then you should be good.

Because Mint is a LTS distro (as opposed to rolling distro) you will need to upgrade your system to the next version every few years. I actually hated doing that with Ubuntu ten years ago because it would break some minor things which would force my autism to do a clean install every time, but then I moved to Artix once I got comfortable with the terminal. I would expect version upgrades to be way more stable nowdays but I can only guess.

>>716401150 (OP)
I'm about to make the switch.

Sadly the only thing I'll miss is Cheat Engine since it makes JRPG grinding less stupid.

>>716423829
You have to keep in mind that there is a /g/ moderator whose sole purpose is to create anti-linux threads and shill macos

Can I play Meme Souls and Diablo 2 in Linux?

>>716418154
underrated bait

>>716436024
cheat engine works fine in wine

>>716401150 (OP)
A month or 2 ago I had bought a 4TB SSD to upgrade my PC with, made 2 partitions for my current Windows 11 install and another for either Bazzite or CachyOS. I even upgraded to an AMD GPU with Linux in mind (and tired of NVIDIA.) I cloned my Windows install and the partition I've made for either of the distros has still sat empty. I really do mean to dual boot because I play games with wife that aren't compatible (like CoD) but I just haven't gotten around to it. Don't feel like learning a new OS right now. Maybe I should do it this weekend.

Is pirating games on Linux a thing? Genuine question. I know a lot of games won't run without Proton, but would Proton work just by adding a game to Steam?

>>716436146
It legit don't care if you playing pirated or official copy ,albeit you might need tweak dll dependencies.

>>716404808
>Games don't work because IoT
Not MS's problem.

>>716433829
just checking, but have you installed the drivers for your hardware?

I installed mint on monday and haven't even booted my windows partition since, everything just works
what's the catch, it's been way too easy

What distros let me play WoW in private servers without problems?

>>716436443
all of them. wow is one of those games that ran flawlessly on linux for decades.

>>716436013
>hated doing that with Ubuntu ten years ago because it would break some minor things
That's still happening as of 2-3 years ago. I stopped using Ubuntu for that reason.

>>716436024
GameConqueror is almost identical to CheatEngine.

>>716436127
Diablo 2 yes. Dark Souls, I have no idea since I don't own it. But Elden Ring works fine.

>>716436146
You can pirate GOG games and install them using Bottles or Lutris. Or pirate pre-installed games or game installers and they should in general work fine (ie WoW, Warcraft, etc.)
The only thing I've never tried is pirating Steam games. I've seen some anons struggling with FitGirl Repacks.

>>716436443
Any of them. If you're playing 3.3.5a like me, you can just torrent the Warmane pre-installed game.

>>716436435
Like anons said, packages and drivers can be horrendously outdated.

So you might need the good ol sudo to fix shit or update, also lot of dependencies. It works fine but can be annoying to tweak or fix some issues.

>>716435821
Isn't spotify for music?

>>716436409
:)

>>716436643
I've been throwing sudos on everything all week but it's been rather straight forward

>>716436690
Check if is not using igpu.

>>716436146
>Is pirating games on Linux a thing? Genuine question.
Genuine answer: Linux doesn't contain any magical anti-piracy technology. It doesn't know whether a GOG installer was purchased or not. Whether any given crack or repack will work is anyone's guess until someone tries it, but in general, a thing will either work or not work. If it doesn't work, it's not because Linux disapproves of piracy. More likely it's because the thing that doesn't work is doing some obscure API call or undocumented Windows bullshit that the Wine developers haven't implemented.
>I know a lot of games won't run without Proton,
Those are called Windows games, but Proton is just Wine. You use Wine to run Windows executables.
>but would Proton work just by adding a game to Steam?
By adding a game to Steam and then enabling Proton in the game's Properties window, yes.
None of this has fucking anything to do with piracy though.

>>716436690
Try using your update manager to manage Linux Kernels and pick the latest version, then do a web search on "how to install latest mesa on Mint/Ubuntu". (last time I was in the Ubuntu ecosystem people used kisak mesa repository)

If a game doesn't
• run on GNU/Linux
• have rats
then it isn't worth playing.
Simple as.

>>716401150 (OP)
How viable is gaming on Linux in 2025?
Can you play 50% of games, 95% of games, 100%?
Is it still necessary to emulate everything with wine?

>>716436914
hacking mint to use another repository is the wrong way to go about it.
just use fedora's cinnamon spin, or arch.

>>716436660
used to be

>>716437052
Depends on what kind of game you play, but yes, you will still be using wine/proton a lot.
However, as nerds will scream to you, wine is not an emulator.
However as they will not tell you Wine is a port of windows for linux. it has windows dlls, windows folders, even a fucking system registry.
So it's not emulation, and it don't actually slow down the execution speed much, being faster than windows in some rare cases like GTA IV.

>>716436779
Then congrats, you can actually use linux unlike most people on this thread.

Albeit upgrading to something else later can be good.

>>716436565
>GameConqueror
I don't think that handles CE's .CT files, though?

>>716401150 (OP)
i can hardly get my games run on windows
and you want me to use OS that zero games are designed to work on
are you retarded?

>>716437052
>How viable
"Works on my machine".
>50%
Too low.
>95%
Maybe.
>100%
No.
>emulate
ACTUALLY it's technically not an emulator
>everything
Right above your post is a screenshot of a game running natively.
There are Linux builds of all source ports and console emulators that are worth a damn, and a fairly significant minority of indie games have native Linux ports but mainstream games generally don't.

>>716436790
how?

>>716437052
Almost everything I want to play on Steam runs perfectly. Some games don't run perfectly such as Umamusume having an annoying flickering and if a game is programmed really weird it might not run at all such as one time it turned out the game had been made in Java but it worked after an update.

>>716437338
you can phisically look at your gpu. i'm sure there are terminal commands too if you prefer.

>>716436336
name one game

>>716437052
Long as you don't play shit with kernel anti cheat.

It werks. Emulators have native linux build, so that's one less issue to worry about.

>>716437405
Literally go back to Windows 7 LTSC when people on here crowed about it during Windows 10's prime. Stuff like Metro: Last Light and others wouldn't work on 7 because there was an OS check and unless you go out of your way to "hack" (make workarounds) it's a major pain in the ass and not worth it over just using Linux and installing Proton and WINE and going from there.

Especially as Proton and WINE have old MS-DOS/Win9x titles performing better than Windows shitty "backwards compatibility" layers now.

>>716401150 (OP)
how the fuck did i miss a linux thread, its almost at bump limit...

>>716437516
Even many games with kernel-level anti-cheat work. In fact, if you allergic to games with that stuff, then playing them on Linux is the way to go because they don't get access to the kernel because they are running in Proton which is a compatibility layer but if you are still feeling paranoid you can flatpak Steam to further containerize it.

>>716437052
Anything that isn't multiplayer with anti-cheat works. Like 95% of games will work, some need a little legwork, but it's nearly "just werks™" if you buy Steam (STEAM, not GOG, STEAM, not Epig, STEAM) games and run them off Steam.

Multiplayer is really the only stumbling block left and that's because anti-cheat developers or publishers (like EA's "anti-cheat") are retarded.

>>716436279
>>716436565
>>716436842
Thanks dudes, one more question because I'm finding conflicting answers online. All my drives are formatted to NTFS, can I also just run games through Proton/Bottles/Lutris or will I need to reinstall them or setup different file structures? I really would not want to go formatting my drives.

>>716437793
>not GOG
Works on my machine.

>>716437868
ntfs is known to cause issues, just reformat and save yourself a lot of problems.

>>716438014
So no viable solution then? I might just stick with Windows in that case.

>>716402973
>Budgie
Only has like 6 developers on it, otherwise I'd use it (X11 aside).

I went back to KDE because fuck Gnome's Apple-isms. Nice trackpad gestures, though.

>>716401608
let me guess 5'4 asian male

>>716432429
I don't use Microsoft products and don't exp ads(tho I'm sure I am being datamined in many ways).
You are right, I would have recommended 7 if it was still supported. They do get worse and flood you with software and features that you don't need; not to mention some aweful design choises that can be tedious to navigate.
That said, some tinkering can turn off alot of the pre installed shit and make it bearable. Also, all the software I need I can get with ninite.com in an instance. Troubleshooting games is far more rare on Windows and I know all too well the deep rabbit holes that linux ts can take you on. In a perfect world I'd use Fedora or something fun but reality being what it is, I see Windows as the lesser evil (from a gaming standpoint). The rest I do in VMs.

>>716437793
I never had a GOG game that didn't work for me and you don't need steam at all.

>>716437868
Backup and reformat.

>>716437790
Yeah is just a toggle, but devs are cunts. Honestly it just give less incentive to play those things.

>>716403750
>Sends data to Amazon and MS
Not my fucking Distro.

>>716401336
my condolences

>>716437052
100% console emulation
100% flash player games
80%-90% PC games overall
40% PC games with anti-cheat
?% Android games (Waydroid only runs apks compiled for x86_64)

It's better to actually run games through WINE/Proton instead of running native games.

>>716437793
GOG works perfectly well. Both native and Windows versions if you install them with Bottles/Lutris. You don't need their launcher at all.
And HeroicGamesLauncher exists for both GOG and Epic.

>>716437868
NTFS should work on most Linux distros, but you can't install Linux without formatting at least a chunk of your storage, you know. You need a partition where Linux will be installed.
BUT, I've seen some people say that Proton can't really use NTFS well in some cases, but I honestly don't have any experience with that. All my drives are btrfs.
In any case, you should be fine with NTFS as long as you don't install Linux itself onto an NTFS partition.

Anyone tried gaming on Qubes OS? I'd try it but none of the computers in my house support it.

>>716411063
So... gnome is breaking extensions... then?

Like, say what you want about KDE (Krashs /g/entoomen.meme), but Latte Dock still works on KDE 6, you can't fucking say the same for 98% of extensions on Gnome from 3.X to 3(4?).Y.

>>716437269
thanks anon, that's the nicest thing anyone has said to me in a while

>>716411076
>what should I be doing when it comes to day to day usage?
If you're asking this, you're NGMI.

Just use Debian or something on a slower release cache (though not Debian since that's a server distro) than Arch and go from there.

>>716401150 (OP)
>double click icon
>play
yeah im staying on windows thanks

>>716401150 (OP)
>playing video games
haha...

>>716404884
i use pop cause it's the os my laptop was designed for

>>716434559
what? Bazzite and CachyOS work with nshittia outto ze box
Tested on both old ass fermi and newer GPUs and they worked with no issues

>>716438471
Thank you for providing more information. In my first post I had mentioned I have a separate partition thats dedicated (and hasn't been touched) for when I was going to install Bazzite or CachyOS. I would properly format to btrfs or w/e it requires. The reason I asked is because where my games and other apps are installed, they're all NTFS. I already cloned my Windows 11 and it was enough of a hassle, I'd really rather not do that again soon.

>>716436790
dont listen to the other retard
MULTIPLE WAYS to do it
easiest is via Lutris
>right click game (if its not in lutris, add it)
>System Options
>Select GPU for game to use
harder option(still easy)
>if you have nvidia GPU, get nvidia-prime package
>open console/terminal
>type prime-run GAME YOU WANNA RUN
>open console

>>716401368
>>716402998
worst DE and worst distro

>>716403940
poop os
dont ever recommend Ubuntu or Ubuntu derivatives on this website EVER AGAIN or I will find you and shit in your drawers
(dont use Mint either, use LMDE)

>>716406820
AUR is NOT the "official repository" and the fact that you don't know that means you should kill yourself.

>>716401608
>fifa
>fortnite
>cod
>league
>valorant
>you fat worthless virgin
FR FR LIL BRODIE NO CAP

>>716405882
>>716406093
>>716406297
>>716435294
why are you obsessed with programmer COCKS

>>716439524
>dicks out of nowhere
tranny

>>716438572
>gnome is breaking extensions
GNOME is a platform that extensions are made for. GNOME doesn't have the responsibility of keeping legacy code and functionality just to accommodate 3rd party extensions.
It's up to extension devs to keep up with the platform they're trying to support. Just like if you've made a 16bit game, Microsoft isn't expected to keep Windows a 16bit OS.

>>716438867
No worries anon. Here's some guy who had issues but figured out it's a super easy fix 5 years ago
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=251629
Your games should work just fine even if they're on NTFS. NTFS on Linux isn't really as unstable as it was a decade ago. Read performance will probably be slower since NTFS is slower than ext4 overall.

Linux is for unemployed morons who pretend to know what they are doing.

Don't ever go to /g/ and tell them that
>also
I'd rather play my games on bare metal,
not through six compatibility and translation layers,
that shit introduces so much lag and it literally kills frames.

>>716439693
>six
you mean one?
or zero if you're based like me

windows: takes 10 minutes to boot up
linux: takes 30 seconds

>>716439898
haiku: takes less than 10 seconds to boot up

>>716439693
>leaks his ip

>>716439898
This isn't true at all

>>716439693
>Linux is for unemployed morons who pretend to know what they are doing.
Does my employer know I'm unemployed?
>that shit introduces so much lag and it literally kills frames.
uh oh, looks like Windows is slower...

>>716439898
Interesting. This is what gets reported in Windows 11, albeit my install is a bit bloated by most standards.

>>716439898
Nigga even on HDD linux boot faster than windows.

>>716439796
from the top of my head
windows kernel -> linux kernel
win32 api -> xorg/wayland
direct3d -> dxvk -> vulkan
directsound -> pipewire/pulse
directinput -> libinput

>>716440019
forgot to sensor it, but it is dynamic, idgaf
>>716440079
first you need to update windows drivers and run it on LTSC, not the normie windows version that comes with tons of bloat

>>716440316
>windows
>win32
>direct3d
???

>>716440316
>every API whose calls are translated by Wine counts as a separate compatibility/translation layer
I'd say you're moving the goalposts but I'm not sure if you ever really knew where the goal was.

What is a kernel?

>>716436089
Fucking /g/eets.

>>716407270
what game?

>>716411349
lmao any game thats on GOG doesnt require "pirating/cracking"
you go to either
gog-games.to
freegogpcgames.com
download it and install

>>716441984
Why do you care? It looks like weeb shit

>>716442123
it really does
i just wanna know so i can avoid it
looks like a shitty one too

Why is trannification normalised in /v/ again? this thread is one of many examples

>>716411349
The game had a DRM-free release. I know your post is more than 7 hours old, but I want you to come back here and tell me: What made you think that you needed help pirating it on Linux? What was going through your head when you wrote that post? Do you think the Linux kernel is going to check your credit card history and call the police if you didn't buy the game? What do you even mean "how to pirate"?
You pirate the game on Linux the same way you pirate it on Windows. If you can't find a pirated copy then that has nothing to do with Linux.
You run a pirated copy on Linux the same way you run a purchased copy on Linux. If you can't run the DRM-free release on Linux then that has nothing to do with piracy.
It's like you people are mindless drones with absolutely zero critical thinking skills. Do you even have a brain? Are you sentient?

>>716401150 (OP)
I want to dual boot windows and loonix. which distro should I go for for GAMING

>>716443464
CachyOS

>>716405953
>tfw I thought this was how you were supposed to play battlefield vietnam

I hadn't ever played a 3D fps and only had experience with old DOS games and a sidewinder.

>>716401150 (OP)
Linux user here. It just works.

>>716405953
I played and finished star wars the phantom menace on PC using a microsoft SideWinder force feedback pro joystick.

I LOVE LINUX!

>>716444218
>Tranime

>>716444218

Linux seems like a hobby. All I do on the computer is play games so I don’t see the point in changing my OS

WHY IS MY TASKBAR A REACT NATIVE APP

FUCK YOU

>>716444284
I can't understand why people who hate anime come to 4chan

I installed both Bazzit and Cachy on two separate disks, and liking both. However, I used to use AMD adrenaline for overclocking the gpu. But Adrenaline for some mysterious reason doesn't exist on linux. Is it worth going through the hoops in order to OC on linux, or should I just leave it as it is?

>>716444814
OCing is not difficult. You can easily do that with corectrl and the amd.ppfeaturemask boot option

Overclocking is not really worth it though. If anything, undervolting will allow your graphics card to boost higher and run cooler

>>716444291
PENGORS

>>716445206
Ah, thanks anon. I'll look for some underclock guides