This game fucking pisses me off after replaying Fallout 1, it's such a poorly written referential piece of drivel.

Fallout lorefags can tell you more but there anre pics about Avellone & Tim Cains complaining about it. There was just so much mismanagement behind FO2. I feel like only fake fans that never played the games like it. It’s such a far cry from FO1 in terms of atmosphere, setting, etc.

>>716422635
How did they go from such a tight narrative as 1 to almost every single NPC in 2 being either SEX SEX SEX, a joke or a pop culture/literary reference ?

>>716422635
I played both and I like 2
whats good about 2 is some of the best in the series but there are aspects that are obviously pretty bad.
I dont think the setting feeling different is an inherently bad thing though. I like the wasteland has changed and become more civilized

>>716422879
The issue is really not about the Wasteland evolving from Fallout 1 but it's more about most of the settlements being about references to TV, Movies, literature, etc... it's really fucking tiresome especially when you "get" the reference.
Also it's really clear that the discourse moved in a more PC direction, for the time, compared to 1 that was more about subjective choice.

>>716423078
>most of the settlements being about references to TV, Movies, literature, etc...
I personally didn't feel that way when playing but its been a while. There were towns though like Modoc and whatnot which definitely feel that way. Perhaps its because some of the references are lost on me, (i doubt it for most of them) or feel so ingrained as general tropes they don't register but a lot of the main locations I think of when I think of Fallout 2 didn't really have this problem (Den, VC, Gecko, Arroyo, New Reno, etc).

To me it seemed like most of the "dude reference!" happened via special encounters. I think fallout 2 definitely has issues with its writing though, especially pertaining to the Enclave and Fallout's general usage of the "contrarian option" rather than giving you a viable alternative quest solution. (Think like Broken HIlls where the sides you have to choose from are either Marcus, a chill dude who'll also become your companion after you fulfill his quest or the nameless racist people who give you jackshit for doing the quest their way)

>Also it's really clear that the discourse moved in a more PC direction, for the time, compared to 1 that was more about subjective choice.
what do you mean by PC in this instance?

>>716422107 (OP)
>mediocre game gets a garbage sequel
wow, stop the presses

>>716423675
Redding is also entirely referential, and in New Reno the mafia clans are extremely referential and Myron is a horrible piece of garbage character.
Not to mention the Corsican Brothers.

>>716423078
You can have your references if you work for it, Bethesda man.

Ask yourself:

>What do they eat?
>Why are they still there?
>What did they do those past two centuries?
>Why are they like that?
>What are their taxation policies?
>Why should I care?

And then you've got the level of quality expected to even begin writing a settlement from Fallout 2.

Bethesda man, we don't dislike references. We dislike retards. We dislike you not because we dislike references. We dislike you because you're a retard.

>>716422107 (OP)
I had the polar opposite experience.
Fallout 2 made Fallout 1 feel like a demo with how barebones and primitive it is (Arcanum beats both).
What's so poorly written about it anon? Did you get upset at the references, most of which you purposefully had to seek out in random encounters?
Not GRIMDARK enough for you? Boy Vault City and New Reno sure were chipper places with a goofy tone to them!

>>716424351
How is it related to Bethesda when I'm complaining about the whiplash of going from Fallout 1 to Fallout "meme of the days'' 2 ?

>>716424363
>entire settlements are based around a single literary reference
>it's OK because I didn't get it

>>716424497
Because you're very obviously a shill, Bethesda man. I'm answering to your implications.

Bethesda man, you can't whitewash Fallout 3 by
>implying
Fallout 2 was as bad. Bethesda man, it won't work, Fallout 3 is _that_ infinitely much more retarded.

>>716424698
It's like this series sucks

>>716424698
take your meds, you probably haven't played Fo1 or 2

>>716424875
I like Fallout 1 and Fallout New Vegas
Sometimes Fallout 4 :)

>implying anyone in this thread played fallout 2

>>716422107 (OP)
i agree with you op, i think fo2 would be more tolerable if all the npcs did their walk animation at the same time during battles, but they don't so every single second of this game is painful
like at least if the combat was fun you could distract yourself from how terrible all the dialogue is, but nah
any fo2 shills, before you respond to me with something gay and retarded that i don't care about, go start a fight in san fran and get back to me in 4 hours when you're done watching 1 single enemy turn

>>716425164
New Vegas is like a stictom referencing le epic episodes of Fallout 2

only good thing about fallout 2 was the bozar

>fallout 2 thread whining about the story and some of the towns
>nothing about the gameplay and the choices you can make in the game
Yet another Fallout 2 thread where everyone talking about F2 has only watched video essays about it.

>>716425368
thanks for reminding me of all the molerat maps that took 45 minutes, or all the ways you hat to trigger a 6 hours long turn with dialogue choices

>>716425496
In Fallout 1 you can complete almost every single NPC driven event through dialogue including The Master, in Fallout 2 most of the dialogue choices lead you to massive map wide encounters that last for hours, unless you submit to the NPC's choices, not to mention all the "fade to black" encounters in 2 compared to 1.

>>716425648
in fo2 you can also pretty easily make a build that makes the game impossible to complete due to conflicting checks on the scripts lol
kusoge (for retards)

>>716422107 (OP)
Fallout 2 endlessly filtering storyfag
Yes it's poorly written, yes it's juvenile and referential, yes it's better than fallout 1
No I will not be defending san francisco, it's a holistic experience

>>716425864
>it's worse in every way but it's bigger and you have a car

>>716426442
who are you quoting?

>>716424579
>it's OK because I didn't get it
this but unironically
there are way better reasons to call this sequel a shitshow

>>716422107 (OP)
You're very close to realizing the ultimate truth. Fallout was never good and was always style over substance.

>>716426978
I have to disagree, Fallout 1 is one of the best games ever made in terms of narrative and player agency.

>>716425496
>everyone
it's the same compulsive spammer making the same thread every day

>>716425648
>the radscorpions terrorizing shady sands must either be killed or the player has to collapse their cave's opening with a timed explosive
>the slaves at the khan base can only be saved by killing all of the khans and ensuring that at least one slave survives
>kenji can, but not always, take out killian if the player does not intervene
>killian must die to resolve the main junktown quest in gizmo's favor
>decker's questline requires that the player assassinate npcs
>the quest to get the .223 pistol requires the player to kill all of the raiders in a farm
>the find the missing caravan quest requires the player to kill a deathclaw
>decker must die to get the best ending for the hub
>set's quest requires that you kill super mutants
>the good ending for adytum requires the player to kill deathclaws and to participate on a raid on adytum. it is possible for the regulators to defeat the blades, forcing the player to finish off the regulators. the player can also solo the regulators to get the good ending
>razor must be killed to end the adytum conflict on the regulator's side
>the lieutenant must be ignored or stealthed past. dialogue (if you already haven't raised the alarm) will end in him aggroing or getting the bad ending. he will always aggro if the alarm is active

>>716428240
I don't know if you've actually played Fallout 1 & 2 or are just copy/pasting from whatever wiki, but most of the Choices/Actions/Consequences in Fallout 1 are organic, while in Fallout 2 they are prompted.
Also you are talking about good ending, but this is once again, entirely subjective in Fallout 1, while it is directed in Fallout 2.

>>716422107 (OP)
>>716422635
>>716424363

Fallout 2 did not have an official Creative Director which is why it's that way. Cain spoke about it in a conference video.

>>716428516
It had an unofficial faggot ass SEX SEX director though

Yeah but the Enclave is cool

>>716430665
it's not, Fallout 1 brotherhood is the coolest faction in the entire Fallout series, close second to the children