>We’re “way beyond” the point where people will swap game consoles for exclusive games, says Circana games boss Mat Piscatella.

>“People who buy a hardware system these days, they’re doing it because of the ecosystem, because of their friends list. You’re not going to get people to transition consoles because of exclusives anymore. We’re way beyond that point.

>Xbox is expected to announce more game ports to other platforms, including Nintendo Switch 2 and PS5, in the coming weeks. Meanwhile, PlayStation is bringing its hit shooter Helldivers 2 to Xbox in August.

>“We can conclude from the high sales of Switch 2 at launch is that they made a lot of Switch 2 units,” Piscatella told us. “Great start, not taking anything away from it. They were super confident. They put their money where their mouth was, and said ‘we believed we can sell this, we’re going to take the knees out of the scalper and secondary market, we are going to make sure if people want a Switch 2, they can get one from us at MSRP’. Or thereabouts. And for the most part, they succeeded in doing that. That’s fantastic. That’s wonderful.

>“But ultimately, the launch sales of hardware doesn’t often correlate to the lifetime sales. We’ve had devices that have come out with incredible early sales that have fallen off, and other consoles and devices that have come out with weak sales and have ended up being the best-selling systems of all time. But hey, a record-setting launch like this… I don’t think anyone is going to be upset with that or say it’s a bad thing. It’s just tough right now to come away with any long-term conclusions or projections, although this is a hell of a good early read.”

he's really playing it safe with the latter two paragraphs, really hedging. i don't see anything wrong with what he's saying there.

but the first two greentexts are ridiculous. if you did a poll of the thing that motivated people to buy a switch 2 early, the highest answer proportionally will be "i can only play nintendo games there". early adopters of systems 100% buy the system for exclusives, it's delusional to think otherwise.

>>716424794
It seems like he has never heard of cross play or discord.

also
> They’re doing it because of the ecosystem, because of their friends list
Yeah, same, most of my non-existent friends is on Nintendo and those exist is on PC.
So Nintendo it is.

I mean, according to his own logic, the people buying the Switch 2 come from "The Nintendo ecosystem", which consists of the highest selling console in history, with people that are already subscribed to NSO with savefiles on the cloud in the same way people are subscribed to PSN or XBL.

Is there something i am not getting?

>>716424794
>if you did a poll of the thing that motivated people to buy a switch 2 early, the highest answer proportionally will be "i can only play nintendo games there"

he said swap game consoles, not buy the successor to the one you already own.

I only play single player games. I dont give a shit about friends lists or other online shit.

>>716425064
thats fair, my reading comprehension sucked there. if 'ecosystem' to him really means existing investment, i agree it's quite hard to get someone to switch from only sony or xbox to only nintendo. i think xbox is going to experience that kind of exodus going forward though, and the reason they'll experience that is because their offering is too shit to compete. so there is a content quality & exclusivity factor keeping people around in an ecosystem imo.

>>716424952
what aren't you getting? i think his argument would be the early switch 2 purchasers are people already bought into the nintendo ecosystem. that seems straightforward. i initially read him as saying 'games dont matter when making the decision to buy a console', but >>716425064 is right that he's talking about something much harder to do initially: to make you switch from an existing ecosystem.

>>716424430 (OP)
These are GenXers, you moron.

>>716424430 (OP)
The Xbox Series consoles have been outsold by the Switch 1 in North America. The Xbox Series consoles aren't even on retail shelves in parts of Europe, the Middle East, and Canada because retailers aren't asking for resupplies and if they do -- Microsoft isn't sending them. My opinion is that Microsoft has already ceased production of Xbox Series consoles months ago. With regards to the OP, the Xbox Series has no exclusives.

Microsoft isn't doing this out of generosity, it's beccause they hit a ceiling on how many GamePass subscriptions can grow with a dead console business. It's like EpicGameStore stopped doing timed exclusivity because no more new customers are signing up to their store. The difference is for Epic this is a smaller loss, while for Microsoft who has spent MILLIONs on: R&D, manufacturing, retail details, distribution, etc have eaten massive losses on Xbox consoles and the Series consoles are significantly less popular than the even the Xbone era.

I wouldn't buy a Switch 2 if it didn't have exclusives. Period. I will never buy an Xbox console because they don't have exclusives. Period. The assessment that Microsoft is making al ot of money as multipklatform is disingenuous but the low IQ third world and zoomers will take this as a gospel. Microsoft dug a hole with all the associated costs of being a console manufacturer with the Series S and they're in debt. With consoles no longer selling and stock being depleted with no new orders. You don't need a business degree to understand how bad Microsoft consoles are in a position right now.

Microsoft bought half the game industry and is making tons on software with a dead console business. Is this some Aztec priest divination at work? Fucking retard. Sony still hasn't put Demons Souls on Xbox and they have 80 million sold PS5, while Xbox Series has only sold mid 20 million consoles and Switch 1 has sold over 150 million consoles. The worst selling console has no exclusives, imagine that.

>>716424430 (OP)
Ironically this was the one thing Phil Spencer was right on regardless of the games they made your not competing with established brand momentum.
The thing that fucked it up forever was that instead of accepting being the smallest of The Big Three and still making that sizeable amount of money he blew all the dev hours and goodwill on gamepass trying to circumvent the market position.

>>716424430 (OP)
>If you ignore Nintendo making the best-selling console and making games that outsell pretty much everything and the successor breaking sales records in pretty much all countries, multiplatform is actually the future
Nintendo proves them wrong every time. There's no reason to buy Xbox or Playstation anymore

>make bad exclusives
>no one buys console
woooooooow

>Xbox has no exclusives
>Completely fucking dead as a platform
>Playstation lacking/losing exclusives
>Gradually dying out
>Switch 1 has tons of good exclusives
>Best selling console of all time
Yep! Nobody buys consoles for the exclusives! If Nintendo ported their games to PC their console would do just fine!

He's right, but I wish it wasn't this way.

I had a Gamecube as a teenager, kinda just rolled with Nintendo my whole life, but when the amount of only on PS2 games kept stacking up, I got a PS2 as well.

I didn't need to worry about my yearly subscription fees, "the ecosystem™, my "cheevos", my "digital licenses" and all this other crap. It just wasn't a factor. And I wish it still wasn't.

>>716425371
The PS4 sold 115-120 million units. Of those, Sony said 10% were PS4 Pros. The Switch sold over 150 million units. Xbox One sold 55 million units. When those last generation people upgrade they're going to decide between PS5, Switch 2, and PC. The exodus is going slower because some of Microsoft owners believe the charade that they're super invested in the future, when Microsoft cancelled their 1st party handheld in favor of Xbox third party OEMs with stickers.

If Sony and Nintendo can convince half of last gen Xbox owners to their way, it's a huge boon for them. 25 million Xboners go to Sony/Nintendo at no cost to them. That's not a victory for Xbox regardless of how well Microsoft is doing at selling multiplatforms. They don't get bigger cut or the third party revenue. Think about it this way guys, when Sony puts their games on Steam then Valve gets a bigger revenue cost vs Sony selling the same game on PS4/PS5. That's why Sony's strategy is extremely retarded but it isn't biting them in the ass for the moment because Microsoft is self exploding.

>>716424430 (OP)
This sounds like cope. It's clear Microsoft is paying these retards because they lost. Switch 2 and Steam Deck 2 is the way to go.

>>716425885
PC gaming has effectively priced out many people. From the GPU all the way to the CPU, the prices are beyond ridicolous. And before you post some dogshit CPU from Aliexpress, let's look at the all the recent PC ports that have poor performance with the dogshit CPUs being the worst performers of them all. If PC prices were the same as the PS4 era then you would have a stronger point but no, the PS5 and Switch 2 have merit even if you personally do not see them the mass market does. Those 3 million Steam Decks sold should humble you, you didn't even outsell the PSP, Wii U, Ouya. PC market from handhelds to actual PCs cost an exorbitant amount of money.

>>716425898
That's just half of it. Yes, good exclusives sell consoles. But that's Nintendo's business strategy, while Microsoft's and Sony's are a different one: they advertise their consoles as a powerful system that can play everything without customization or setting things up, just plug it into your TV, insert the game disc, and play. That's why multiplats are shared between the system, they're not trying to pitch that they have many exclusives worth chasing, just a couch gaming experience for you to relax with at the end of the day.

And before you say "all that shit's on PC", yes, that's correct. However, >>716426439 is right too, buying a PC just for games is an enthusiast's territory, many casual gamers want a less expensive and less "confusing" option.

>>716424430 (OP)
>>We’re “way beyond” the point where people will swap game consoles for exclusive games, says Circana games boss Mat Piscatella.
>>“People who buy a hardware system these days, they’re doing it because of the ecosystem, because of their friends list. You’re not going to get people to transition consoles because of exclusives anymore. We’re way beyond that point.
This is complete bullshit. It's a chicken and egg scenario.
I guarantee you if Elder Scrolls 6 or COD was a pure Xbox Series S/X exclusive (no PC port), it would sell consoles. The problem is Xbox has given up selling consoles through real exclusives for the last decade. They've ported all Xbox exclusives to PC since 2017. PC/Steam is a 300m+ market. You're giving hundreds of millions of people ZERO incentive to buy your system. And wow, look at that, Xbox hardware sales are completely collapsing now. Who could've seen that coming.

Piscatella is partially right, that the bulk of console sales are made to giga normalfags who primarily buy multiplats (e.g. COD, Destiny, Fortnite, GTA, Madden, Ubislop etc.). But there's tens of millions of giga normies on PC who play those multiplats on PC. Xbox (and now Sony) are giving those tens millions of PCfags absolutely zero incentive to buy their hardware by porting exclusives.

You're not courting that potential new audience, and you're giving existing audiences who own multiple systems zero incentive to continue investing in your platform. If I'd already own a gaming PC, I'd have to be an idiot to invest in a Xbox Series X or PS5. There is zero incentive. I had a PS4 and gaming PC. Sony started porting all their PS4 and now PS5 games to PC. I didn't buy a PS5 as a result, literally no reason to. If Nintendo starting porting their Switch exclusives to PC, they probably lose 50m hardware sales at least.

Fucking retarded points that are disconnected from the fundamentals of the gaming industry.

>>716426439
>PC gaming has effectively priced out many people
I think Sony is chasing people away with prices, they've increased prices multiple times everywhere outside US

>>716427157
If Microsoft sells Halo on the Xbox consoles, they take all the profit.
If Microsoft sells Halo on the PS5/Switch consoles, they take SOME of the profit.
If Microsoft sells Halo on the Steam/EpicGameStores, they take SOME of the profit.

It is beneficial for a platform owner to sell in their ecosystem be it physical or digital. Microsoft is giving up all of their revenue now. Not only that, but if someone from Xbox consoles goes to Sony/Nintendo/Steam(PC), then they no longer make money from online subscriptions either. Mat Piscatella and Xbox are fundamental retards. Don't forget Xbox is in massive debt from the R&D, production, retailers, distribution, support, and repairs of their Xbox console model that's fucking DEAD. Upkeep costs aren't free and neither are manufacturing costs.

Third worlders think Xbox consoles make themselves and they can be subsidized, which isn't possible since Xbox stopped wanting to sell consoles. Zero reason to buy their consoles. And their attach rate for software is in such dogshit numbers that games like Wukong have no pressure to release on their platform, since most of Xbox tiny userbase of 20 million odd owners don't even want to buy games. Every time I talk about Xbox is this neverending death cycle that's like watching a ship speedrun their way into a black hole.

>>716427418
The PS5 and Switch 2 are the cheapest consoles to buy into modern games today. The cheapest components for a modern day GPU costs the same as those two consoles. 16GB VRAM GPUs aren't cheap in the slightest. Steam Deck can't play modern games so don't even get cute there, because it's going to be
>why would I WANNA PLAY THOSE GAMES HUH
I could list all the games that aren't playable on 8GB VRAM GPUs and you'll just troll and change the goal posts. PC gaming is expensive, that's not an opinion that's a fact. If you wanna bark, bark at NVIDIA and AMD.

>>716427418
But PC component prices have been rising even faster.

>>716424430 (OP)
How can you even say this when Nintendo continues to dominate with their closely guarded IPs. Out of touch fucking retard

>>716427845
People can buy whatever parts they want/need. I think that's the problem Sony is facing, their consoles are just gonna be compared with PCs now instead of Xbox and they're never gonna look favorable in that context

>>716427837
>PC gaming is expensive
Free online pays for itself. We've never seen a console sell without exclusives before so I don't think it'll end well for Sony.
Casuals might not know what games come to what console but when they go to the store or ask a gamer friend it'll end up "Does Playstation have Pokemon?"
I think this fantasy that Sony can just sell a console without any exclusives is just that, a fantasy.

>>716425885
Exactly, with the Switch 2 and the upcoming Steam Deck 2 which is rumored to be getting a proper console push, will take over gaming and get the normalfags out.

>>716424430 (OP)
HOLY SHIT
its our guy /mat piscatella/

Xbox and Sony were retarded for not viewing PC Gaming as a direct competitor. Not as a some alternative platform with a distinct audience to milk some extra sales.

Xbox gave hundreds of millions of PCfags zero reason to ever buy their hardware the moment they started porting exclusives. And now, a generation later, their hardware sales are collapsing.

Playstation courted the turbo normie audience from 360 over to PS4/PS5. Normies who are buying consoles are just buying Playstation now (especially outside of the US, where Xbox sales are even more pathetic). Other normies just buy PCs to play their mainstream games. Hardcores stick to PC and Nintendo for the most coverage.

Xbox is left is no audience. And Playstation is largely left with the console normie audience, which is slowly bleeding users to PC. Especially for zoomers, PC gaming IS gaming. Console demographics are skewing older and older.

Meanwhile, Nintendo's strategy basic fundamentals (high quality games exclusive to your system sell said system, wow!) and courting younger players is evidently working out the best. Shocking.

>>716427157
>>716427695
The issue is that Xbox wanted ALL the normies who play buy CoD every year as their audience and your not getting those people back.
Microsoft as a whole's primary strategy has always been to smother out the competition through sheer bulk and cultivating an audience from the ground up and accepting being the third on the list console for gamers wasn't going to cut it.
It was victory or death and now Xbox is dead and Gamepass as Gaming Netflix is the new plan.

Xbox and Sony were retarded for not viewing PC Gaming as a direct competitor. Not as a some alternative platform with a distinct audience to milk some extra sales.
Xbox gave hundreds of millions of PCfags zero reason to buy their hardware the moment they started porting exclusives. And now, a generation later, their hardware sales are collapsing.
Playstation courted the turbo normie audience from 360 over to PS4/PS5. Normies who are buying consoles are just buying Playstation now (especially outside of the US, where Xbox sales are even more pathetic). Other normies just buy PCs to play their mainstream games. Hardcores stick to PC and Nintendo for the most coverage.
Xbox is left with no audience. They lost most of that normie audience, and hardcores have no reason to buy their hardware.
Playstation is largely left with that console normie audience, which is slowly bleeding users to PC. Especially for zoomers, PC gaming IS gaming. Console demographics are skewing older and older (pic related).
Meanwhile, Nintendo's strategy of basic fundamentals (high quality games exclusive to your system sell said system, wow!) and courting younger players is evidently working out the best. Shocking.

>>716428495
A gaming console today costs 450 dollars (Switch 2, PS5 with disc drive). A gaming PC today costs $1000 EASILY for an entry level. For RTX 5060 with 8GB VRAM prebuilt here in the United States. . Go outside, these are the normal prices everywhere. These prices have been abnormal since the late half of the 2010s. Back when I built my PC it cost me 700 dollars. Today that same build would cost 1,1000 dollars and it'd be an entry level PC. Building yourself, you're still paying for 400 dollars for 16GB VRAM GPUs. The Intel Arcs didn't even hit MSRP until months and I don't trust them. You're not even doing actual math, you're just doing emotional /r/PCMR fanboy grandstanding. The Steam Deck OLED costs 650 dollars as well FYI. PC gaming market is a massive joke with 8GB VRAM GPUs like the RTX 5050 and 5060 having no reason to exist but alas.

>>716429168
This, they also wanted picks of series they wanted to push through putting a large amount of money in. They would kill other franchises because Microsoft only wanted retards that would keep coming back and if that game no longer had the staying power, didn't matter if it was a long-time series, they would kill it. Microsoft is a cancer to gaming whether it's console or PC.
>Gamepass as Gaming Netflix is the new plan
That's already failing, the new plan is to copy and fail at being Steam.

>>716428641
>MUH STEAM DECK 2
The Steam Deck is the worst selling modern handheld. It has been unable to outsell even the Wii U. Cool headcanon and /r/PC fanboy echochamber Redditor bro. The Steam DECK OLED costs 650.

>>716426439
When china starts shitting out poorfag gpus people will be able to buy a shitbox that can still play 99%of all games ever created for cheap(except the usa because tariffs). Modern gpu prices are a scam and the two companies at the top are working together to keep prices sky high. Intel is also imploding so their gpus are a pipe dream.

>>716429487
Please. Sony fanboys just do this tedious routine pretending cheap PCs don't exist. PS5 has a TERRIBLE CPU by modern standards and no you don't need to run games in 4K, you can do 1080p or 1440p. Even if you buy a PC today it'll run games like GTA 6 just fine

>>716424430 (OP)
He's right.
Consoles have no future. Next Xbox will be a PC. The generation after that I wouldn't be surprised to see a Playstation PC.
Exclusivity is dying in the more powerful consoles. Nintendo is maintaining it for now but how sustainable it is remains to be seen. Console sales have hit a market cap. You're most likely never going to sell more than 150 mil units. Nintendo has the advantage of its games being cheap to make. This is why they don't have to put their games elsewhere, yet.

A big reason exclusivity is dying is game costs being too expensive. Another is that it simply makes little sense for your x86 game to not release on other x86 platforms. In the past the vast majority of exclusive titles came from third parties - porting games across platforms with radically different microarchitectures was costly in time and effort and money. Nowadays most games available on Playstation are on Xbox and vice-versa since porting games is so easy. And really when you think about it PS5 and Xbox and PCs are effectively just different names for an x86 box, it makes little sense to artificially make games exclusive.

>>716429392
>blusky
So he's delusional, good to know

>>716429732
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2246340/Monster_Hunter_Wilds/
>https://automaton-media.com/en/news/capcom-cancels-lecture-about-monster-hunter-wilds-optimization-as-devs-face-threats-and-harassment/
Monster Hunter Wilds has abysmal PC performance and the Steam reviews today are Overwhelmingly Negative. Capcom received death threats from PC gamers and cancelled a tech presentation in Japan about it.

Grand Theft Auto 6 the most popular modern game whose view counts combined are roughly 500 million is not available on PC. The PC fanboy platform. The Steam Deck has been unable to even outsell the Ouya, Wii U. The Steam Deck OLED costs 650 dollars. A modern GPU with 16GB VRAM costs over 400 dollars. Oh and by the way, half of Steam's userbase (who's primary language is Chinese) can't match the Borderlands 4 PC requirements https://www.thegamer.com/borderlands-4-minimum-requirements-half-steam-users-cant-play/
>According to the survey, 50.2 per cent of Steam users have CPUs with 6 or fewer cores. The minimum requirements to play Borderlands 4 include a CPU equal to or better than the AMD Ryzen 7 2700X or Intel Core i7-9700 Processor, both of which are 8-core CPUs.
>The minimum requirements allow the player to play Borderlands 4 at 60 frames per second, in 1080P resolution.
Let's fucking go! PCMR master race platform warring!

>>716429842
NPD/Circana is adjacent to the old NeoGAF->Resetera->Installbase video game sales tracking community. Of course he's a libtard, or is at least interacts with those circles more.

716429392
>Playstation is largely left with that console normie audience, which is slowly bleeding users to PC. Especially for zoomers, PC gaming IS gaming. Console demographics are skewing older and older (pic related).
Cute headcanon /r/PiratedGames /r/Steam PC fanboy! Meanwhile in reality
>Gen Z Is Cutting Back On Video Game Purchases. Like, Really Cutting Back
>https://www.vice.com/en/article/gen-z-is-cutting-back-on-video-game-purchases-like-really-cutting-back/
>In a June 24th report from the Wall Street Journal, Circana found both online and retail purchases among ages 18-to-24 dropped by 13% from January to April compared to the year prior. In particular, Circana found that young zoomers were spending nearly 25% less per week on video games than in 2024. While purchases for accessories, small appliances, technology, and “total general merchandise” had all dropped with young adults, video gaming took the lead in Circana’s data. The drop off was enormous for 18-to-24-year-old gamers, as data on other age groups revealed a minor, single-digit decline well under 5%.
The Steam DECK OLED costs 650 dollars and the average 4K ready GPU costs 400 dollars. And you still need the rest of the PC. This is what happens when you develop a /v Valve/ PC fanboy circlejerk. BTW, when's the super popular PC handheld Steam Deck going to outsell the Ouya, NGage, and Wii U?

>>716430034
Yeah yeah sure, everyone's just gonna throw away 500 euro and subscribe to PSN that's way too expensive because a multiplat comes out lol

>>716429806
Hi third worlder marketer defense for Microsoft Gaming (formally Xbox console), how does Microsoft make money from making a third party PC OEM that launches Steam, which completely eliminates the online subscription tax they make? Or when someone buys a game from Steam instead of Xbox's own store? What about the cost of this 3rd party Xbox OEM, how do THEY make money? The Xbox ROG Ally with a sticker is over 1000 dollars because ASUS would make no money from someone buying it just to pirate games or buy from Steam.

You Xbox delusional fanboys are a death cult and easy to spot from a mile away. Thanks for putting your exclusives on Sony and Nintendo. Back to your dying Xbox platform. Xbox is so proud of their ecosystem they cancelled their own 1st party handheld plans btw.

>The PC fanboy is an obsessed Eurofag
>Has no rebuttal for PC gaming parts like GPU costing 400 dollars which is roughly the same price as an entire console these days
Tale old as time as itself.

>>716429392
There's a rumor going around that Sony has partnered with Valve with their Steam Deck and the Steam Deck 2. I'm sorry but, how is treating the Steam Deck like your PlayStation handheld is going to sell the in-house PlayStation handheld?

>>716429806
Xbox and PlayStation don't have a future, should have listened to Nintendo. Sony stupidly fell for Microsoft's challenge, Microsoft is a retarded company that's about to get hit with government regulations up their asses.

Switch 1, 150 million units
PS4, 115-120 million units
PS5, 80 million units
Xbox One, 55 million units
Xbox Series S, 20 million units
Xbox Series X, 7 million units
Wii U, 12-15 million units
Switch 2, 3.5 million units (outsold the PC fanboy Steam Deck in 24 hours)
Steam Deck, less than 3 million units

Just 2 more weeks until Sony and Nintendo die that the Xbox and PC brand will take over the world in /r/PCMR and /v Valve Vegan PC fanboy pride/. Balding men.

>>716429392
Xbox began collapsing with the disastrous reveal of the Xbone, when they decided they should attempt to make their console always online, with a fucking mandatory Kinect and a focus on TV shit and "entertainment" rather than just playing video games. Sony absolutely ate their lunch after that one and they never really recovered.

In more recent years, their sales are fucking garbage for 2 reasons:
1. Xbox is disincentivizing game purchases in the most literal sense with GamePass. They are pushing the subscription over actual game purchases.
2. Xbox is chronically incapable of making good games it seems. Xbox just keeps producing crap and drove all its series into the ground, so no wonder nobody is buying anything.

MS pivoting to multiplats is an attempt to staunch the bleeding that started in the past for completely unrelated reasons. Beyond that it's a symptom of extreme budget bloat in AAA titles. They cannot afford to leave huge swathes of the audience unaddressed, you can see the very same thing from Sony pushing for PC because the consolefags they already have in their pens are no longer enough. Game sales are not increasing at the rate the budgets are so they have to seek out more buyers elsewhere. The money is in the software and "services" sales, not in console hardware anyway, so if the sales get a boost from the minimal effort of porting to PC is totally worth it since selling there becomes nearly pure profit.

Nintendo is an exception to this and they're managing so well because they a couple of aces up their sleeve that Sony and MS do not. First of all, Nintendo still have their own IPs which have managed to maintain strong reputations for decades, because unlike Sony and MS they still seem to be capable of making good video games. Beyond that, Nintendo has not fallen (not yet at least) for the budget bloat trap, so they aren't going to be feeling the same massive pressure to go multiplat as MS and Sony.

>>716429806
It's not a necessity for PlayStation to port their PS5 exclusives to PC. Sony's exclusives are profitable before they're ported to PC. Even Sony's non-superstar games, like Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart, turned a profit on PS5 alone (https://icon-era.com/threads/ratchet-and-clank-rift-apart-was-profitable.8211/).

Sony is just chasing extra profits. It's greed. Not a necessity due to modern bloated development costs.

> Nintendo is maintaining it for now but how sustainable it is remains to be seen.
They at least acknowledge the issue of raising costs and want to keep their dev times reasonable (pic related from their mot recent investor Q&A).

These are the types of questions Xbox and Sony should've been asking themselves during the 7th and 8th generations, when budgets/dev times skyrocketed. Instead, they doubled down on that red ocean, with 7 year dev cycles for AAAA games that chased hyper realistic graphics. Now Playstations' 1st Party output is the weakest its ever been, with the platform only supported by turbo normies. Xbox's entire hardware business is in the shits. And most of the Western AAA games industry is in the shits. Great job guys.

>>716430448
not sure if you noticed but they transitioned all their online subscriptions to gamepass
and current gamepass users will continue using the service(whether they're currently on a PC or not)
The only thing microsoft is losing on here is the 30% cut they take from third parties, but it's not like that matters much since they will not be doing traditional subsidized consoles anymore. Sony and Microsoft sell consoles at a loss and they have to make up for it. Problem? Game consoles have largely hit a market cap. No console is going to hit 300 mil units sold or whatever. And game costs keep rising. So companies need to find different ways of making money. Microsoft saw the writing on the wall and started putting its games on PC, and now on Playstation. Playstation also started putting its games on PC.
Future Xbox hardware (and Playstation eventually) is going to be more expensive and not require as many units sold, like microsoft's surface line of laptops. Like Steam Machines. Microsoft is now a major games publisher and servive provider.

>>716429806
It's not a necessity for PlayStation to port their PS5 exclusives to PC. Sony's exclusives are profitable before they're ported to PC. Even Sony's non-superstar games, like Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart, turned a profit on PS5 alone (https://icon-era.com/threads/ratchet-and-clank-rift-apart-was-profitable.8211/).

Sony is just chasing extra profits. It's greed. Not a necessity due to modern bloated development costs.

> Nintendo is maintaining it for now but how sustainable it is remains to be seen.
They at least acknowledge the issue of raising costs and want to keep their dev times reasonable (pic related from their moSt recent investor Q&A).

These are the types of questions Xbox and Sony should've been asking themselves during the 7th and 8th generations, when budgets/dev times skyrocketed. Instead, they doubled down on that red ocean, with 7 year dev cycles for AAAA games that chased hyper realistic graphics. Now Playstations' 1st Party output is the weakest its ever been, with the platform only supported by turbo normies. Xbox's entire hardware business is in the shits. And most of the Western AAA games industry is in the shits. Great job guys.

>>716431002
Nintendo is doing well, Steam Deck was a test, Valve is about to go full proper console marketing and sells for the Steam Deck 2, Xbox is dead, PlayStation is only selling the PS5 because it's $450 but the Pro isn't selling and the PS6 is set to cost more than the Pro. Sony's games aren't selling either. I noticed that Snoys and Xbots have become very delusional when it comes to their dying brands as delusional a Europoor PClards claiming Nintendo will follow Sony's and Microsoft's dumb path proving how little they actually understand Nintendo.

>>716431245
Damn dude study harder.

>>716431376
Wrong image. It's my cold diagnostic thankfully

>>716431346
Hi PC fanboy. The Steam Machine was your "PC console" and it was discontinued. Sold poorly. Like the Steam VR headsets didn't become the new era of gaming. Or the Steam Link. Or the Steam controller. Or the 650 dollar Steam Deck OLED failed to outsell even the Wii U.

Just because you have a hero worship of Valve doesn't make them an god tier competitor. More like you're a delusional /v Vegan/ PC fanboy. When's GTA6 going to come out on the super popular PC platform by the way? Will it be Steam Deck verified? Or do you think it'll be abandoned like Steam Machines, Steam VR, Steam Controller?

>>716429606
Steam Deck was a test for Valve, they plan to treat the next iteration of Steam Deck like a proper console, from marketing, to where it's sold, to making it strong enough for AAA, AA, and indie games along with UE5, to making proper tools for optimization at around $500. There is no future for Xbox, there is no future for PlayStation. As a kid to teen, you get a Switch 2, as a teen to adult, you get a Steam Deck 2, as an older adult, you get a Switch 2 and Steam Deck 2. There is no longer any room for Xbox or PlayStation to exist. Only brand loyal shills, paid or not, get an Xbox or PlayStation but both consoles are dead and their REAL audience left years ago.

>>716424430 (OP)
tl;dr
fake news

>>716424430 (OP)
Turn the sound on.

>RTX xx80-90 GPU $1,500-$2,000 (you still need the rest of a PC)
>Prebuilt PC with RTX 4070 $1,500 plus tariff tip
>Prebuilt PC with RTX 4060/5060 8GB $1,100 (you wish I was making this up)
>OEM Rog Ally X handheld with Xbox sticker $1000 (cannot play backwards compatible games because it's not an Xbox)
>Mid tier AMD and NVIDIA GPU $800
>PS5 Pro $700
>OEM Rog Ally handheld with Xbox sticker $700 lower end (cannot play backwards compatible games because it's not an Xbox)
>Steam Deck White OLED $680
>Steam Deck OLED $650
>16GB VRAM GPU (you still need the rest of a PC): $450 over MSRP tip
>Switch 2 $450
>PS5 with Disc Drive $450
>PS5 No Disc Drive $400
>Switch 1 OLED $350
>Switch 1 non-OLED $300
>CPU 8 cores AMD budget $300 without motherboard
>Switch Lite (portable only) $200
>Buyer's remorse for 8GB GPU owners: Priceless.
PC fanboy /r/PCMR Vegan Valve Zealot time on /v/. GTA6 is not releasing on PC. :(

>>716431798
>The Steam Machine was your "PC console"
Hmm, I wonder why.
>When's GTA6 going to come out on the super popular PC platform by the way?
Who gives a shit, you play that trash, Normalfag?

>>716431979
>Steam Machines selling like dogshit doesn't count
>Steam Deck selling like dogshit doesn't count
I fully accept your concession /r/PCMR PC Super Vegan fanboy. Cheer on /r/Steam /v/ Discord full of circlejerking balding platform warriors like yourself.

>>716431175
>Xbox began collapsing with the disastrous reveal of the Xbone, when they decided they should attempt to make their console always online, with a fucking mandatory Kinect and a focus on TV shit and "entertainment" rather than just playing video games. Sony absolutely ate their lunch after that one and they never really recovered.
Yes. This was the moment the turbo normie audience Xbox cultivated on 360 largely moved to PS4.

>In more recent years, their sales are fucking garbage for 2 reasons:
>1. Xbox is disincentivizing game purchases in the most literal sense with GamePass. They are pushing the subscription over actual game purchases.
>2. Xbox is chronically incapable of making good games it seems. Xbox just keeps producing crap and drove all its series into the ground, so no wonder nobody is buying anything.

>MS pivoting to multiplats is an attempt to staunch the bleeding that started in the past for completely unrelated reasons. Beyond that it's a symptom of extreme budget bloat in AAA titles. They cannot afford to leave huge swathes of the audience unaddressed, you can see the very same thing from Sony pushing for PC because the consolefags they already have in their pens are no longer enough. Game sales are not increasing at the rate the budgets are so they have to seek out more buyers elsewhere. The money is in the software and "services" sales, not in console hardware anyway, so if the sales get a boost from the minimal effort of porting to PC is totally worth it since selling there becomes nearly pure profit.
This is mostly true. But in Playstation's case, it's not necessary to port their exclusives to PC to turn a profit (see >>716431342). It's just chasing short-term profits at a long-term lost. They're giving hundred of millions of PC Gamers zero incentive to ever buy their consoles.

Xbox was in a similar position in 2017, when they started porting all their exclusives to PC. It does nothing to help your hardware sales.

>>716431979
Damn, missed the discontinued part when I copied that

2 more weeks until Sony and Nintendo go third party by following Microsoft's example. The Xbox Series consoles have stopped being resupplied for months in major countries like Canada, all of Europe, and the Middle East. In America the Switch 1 outsold the Xbox Series consoles last month. Xbox is THE example for Sony and Nintendo to follow, since Switch 1 outselling the Series S and X is clearly an error by the consumer choosing the 8 year old hybrid console over the glorious zero exclusive Xbox consoles.

Microsoft's charade is entertaining. As much as their cute marketers of Indians here trying to make a case for PC gaming savior. lol.

>>716432078
It does count, it shows that home consoles have no future, something Nintendo already predicted. I don't even believe the current Steam home consoles rumor because there is no console market anymore. It's a dying one held up only by the PS5.
>Steam Deck selling like dogshit doesn't count
Steam Deck is the PC handheld market. If this was just a test run without the console marketing and sells, then the real deal is going to be insane.

>>716424430 (OP)
He's right. I want everything on the platform that has the best performance, the best mod support, and where one of three massive companies who all answer to the same hedge funds don't get to decide which games I can and cannot have. I'm not leaving PC.
>I have an IQ of 90, and I don't see the point in stripping away layers of authoritarianism when more layers exist.
The fact that the hydra has more heads (such as the credit card companies) doesn't mean that you don't make progress towards killing the hydra. That's retarded.

>>716431953
>PC market alone is 23% while MS + Sony + Nintendo 3-in-1 combo market is only 28%
fucken lmao

>PS5 has a TERRIBLE CPU by modern standards and no you don't need to run games in 4K, you can do 1080p or 1440p. Even if you buy a PC today it'll run games like GTA 6 just fine
PC vegan brain fanboyism vs PC hardware statistics today. Reality is a cruel mistress, like the Steam Deck being outsold by the Switch 2 in 24 hours. Turns out the world is bigger than your 24/7 PC fanboy circlejerk on /r/PCMR and /v Vegan Valve/ parasocial threads.

>>716424794
Tendies continue to buy Tendie consoles to play Tendie games? Breaking news! He said SWAP. Snoys aren't ditching their ps quads and quints to buy Switches. Xbros are extinct. PC master race chads like me didn't give a fuck about Switch or the Switch 2.

>>716424794
>if you did a poll of the thing that motivated people to buy a switch 2 early, the highest answer proportionally will be "i can only play nintendo games there". early adopters of systems 100% buy the system for exclusives, it's delusional to think otherwise.

Yes, but that’s only really true for Nintendo fans. That doesn’t hold true for the rest of normiedom.

>>716424430 (OP)
this guy is a dumbass. i am going to buy a switch 2 (eventually) and its to play the exclusive games it offers. if they were all ported to steam i would not buy the switch 2. if xbox had any games worth a damn, and they were on the xbox only, i would own an xbox.

>>716432507
A 40 year old balding PC fanboy man typed this out. Jesus Christ, platform warring vegan mustard race indeed.

>>716424430 (OP)
>That’s fantastic. That’s wonderful....But

>>716432523
I don't understand why these dumb analysts treats Nintendo as the exception. The things that apply to the video game industry as a whole apply to Nintendo. The things that apply to Nintendo apply to the video game industry as a whole.

>>716424430 (OP)
thats what chris dring looks like?
why is he using like a 10 year old twitter pfp

>>716432743
Because it undermines that Nintendo gatekeeping their exclusives works. That's why they handwave Nintendo away and much of is dogwhistle PC fanboy portbegging Sony games. If you haven't heard, there's been a decade of Bloodborne PC port begging on this place.

The next FromSoftware game isn't coming out on the echochamber Reddit vegan platform PC. The Duskbloods is a Nintendo Switch 2 exclusive. The balding PC platform warriors cannot handle this either.

>>716424430 (OP)
Insane take.
The guy is a clueless retard.
Xbox dies because of similar retarded reasoning.

Here's the genius strategy as posted in this thread by "totally not Xbros". Microsoft partners with 3rd party OEMS to make computers that cost over one thousand dollars to produce. Then they'll sell them at 500 dollars so that the consumer ends up pirating games or going to Steam, which nets Microsoft 0 dollars in return of investment and Dell/ASUS/etc get nothing in return. No one on the PC Xbox hybrid will pay for online play either, so loss of revenue stream there.

And if Microsoft doesn't sell them at a loss for 500 dollars, they'll be making 1000+ dollar PC hybrids in a competitive field. The whole mental gymanistics is fascinating because in each case it's Microsoft fanboys inserting themselves. Valve doesn't need Xbox to succeed. At all. Valve would never give up their 30% revenue split with Microsoft ever, especially when Valve would prefer to sell their own hardware where they have their own store vs. letting Xbox have a share of games if a PC Xbox owner buys from Steam.

It's so fascinating how retarded the third world and Xbox fanboy brains try to pivot themselves into the conversation that PC gaming "NEEDS" Xbox. Financially their plan makes zero sense. The Xbox Rog Ally leak has their device at over one thousand dollars because surprise, 3rd party OEM make no money from Steam Store or Microsoft Store.

>>716432328
That guy's a Snoytard. Nintendo successfully made a niche market for themselves because they knew this was happening. Valve sees the home console industry dying which is why they went on to make a PC handheld. Sony and Microsoft were retarded for trying to match PC.

>>716424430 (OP)
>Xbox is expected to announce more game ports to other platforms, including Nintendo Switch 2 and PS5, in the coming weeks.

>>716424430 (OP)
If these games were actually exclusive to the console, e.g. over the past decade, Switch games easily emulatable in a better fashion on pc, ps4 games to pc 2-3 years later, xbox games to pc day and date. If these things werent an option I would be forced to have a console, but the idea that I can just wait a few years to have these things where I want them, in a better state, I will easily just wait it out.

>Nintendo is so successful in a niche market
>Spelling Sony as Snoytard
The """niche""" Switch 1 has sold 150+ million units. The ""niche"" Switch 2 has sold over 3.5 million units which buckbroke the PC fanboy Steam Deck LTD in less than a week. It's cute seeing how Xbox fanboys are fighting to the death even when Phil Spencer disowned them. Obsessed with Sony and Nintendo consoles "dying", that's all the crying Xbox fanboy has left.

>>716432743
>>716432905
Because what they assume but don't express is that unlike the others Nintendo has cultivated its audience and its games to suit that audience for over 40 years now.
So the logic just isn't that exclusives exist its that Nintendo is the only place to get the latest Mario game for Legend of Zelda and so on, and that each of those franchises have their own dedicated fanbases due to years of cultural momentum. Something which Xbox and PlayStation have lacked to the same level (on account of Xbox mismanaging their flagships and Sony out of relying on third party devs to do the heavy lifting and letting them on from IP when they were done with it) and which they view as to late for the companies to cultivate.

TLDR The assumption is that its not just because Nintendo releases exclusives, its that they release Exclusives like Mario games with an already devoted fanbase built up over decades.

>>716432905
It's so flagrantly retarded though because by the numbers, Nintendo is making up the majority of the console hardware market. Imagine if your job is to analyze something, and you just ignore half of it because it contradicts your theories. There isn't a single worthwhile conclusion you could possibly draw.

>>716433496
Stop putting Sony with Nintendo, Snoy. The console market is Nintendo now, the PC market is Valve now, there is no room for Xbox or PlayStation in either. Microsoft and Sony need to shut up and be third parties optimizing their games for Switch 2 and Steam Deck 2. They no longer serve a purpose.

>>716432905
I look at it like this, if you're port begging on Nintendo consoles or port begging on PC, you're poor. Just buy both and shut up.

>>716432093
>It's just chasing short-term profits at a long-term lost. They're giving hundred of millions of PC Gamers zero incentive to ever buy their consoles.
Long-term loss maybe or maybe not. The people who already have good enough PCs to run Sony's AAA ports are already on the best gaming platform available, not just in terms of performance, image quality and so on but also in quantity of games to choose from.

How likely are these people to pay more for a console that they know provides them an inferior experience over a device they already own just for some exclusives? I think the answer is that it depends on the quality and the type of exclusives they'd be missing out on. If you look at how Sony's cinematic moviegames perform on PC you'll see that they're not some earth-shattering success stories. They sell pretty well, most certainly well enough to be worth the minimal effort of porting nowadays, but at the same time it's clear that there's no massive, unquenched desire for their games among the audience of PC owners.

This in turn likely means one of two things, or a mix of both. It either means that the PC owners are also PS owners and are not double-dipping on the PC ports or it just means that most of them don't care much for Sony's games or else they'd be purchased in huge numbers, but that's not happening. It's therefore reasonable to conclude that Sony is probably not actually missing out on much long-term, because PC owners either don't care that much or already own a PS console. A port allows them to quite cheaply pad out the numbers and it's unlikely to actually convince anyone to avoid buying a PS console, because there's no major enthusiasm for their exclusives on the platform.

>>716433683
>there is no room for Xbox or PlayStation in either. Microsoft and Sony need to shut up and be third parties optimizing their games for Switch 2 and Steam Deck 2. They no longer serve a purpose.
>bizarre PC fanboy word salad ramble about Sony dying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSS4dOe8Ul8 When's GTA6 coming on PC by the way? Will Grand Theft Auto VI be Steam Vegan Certified, by the way?

>>716432623
>entire console market combined is %6 higher than PC
tendies and snoys are pathetic lmao

>>716433502
Again this is weird Nintendo exceptionalism. Playstation and Xbox could've easily had fanbases just as dedicated (if not moreso given some of the rabid snoys that infest online imageboards), and I'd argue that they did. Halo was at one point the biggest video game series in the world. If Xbox can't succeed because they fucked up all of their exclusives, then the argument isn't that exclusives don't matter, it's the evidence for the opposite. That implies they matter more than anything and Microsoft's chronic mismanagement of their game studios is the actual reason why nobody wants to purchase their hardware.

>>716433959
>GTA 6
>GTA 6
>GTA 6
>GTA 6
Is this all you can say, Snoy? WHY IS SONY AND MICROSOFT PORTING THEIR GAMES TO SWITCH 2 AND STEAM, YOU STUPID FAGGOT? STOP PORTING YOUR FUCKING GAMES AND COMPETE! GIVE ME A REASON TO BUY YOUR TRASHY ASS CONSOLES! You Xbots and Snoys are delusional. Only normalfags care about GTA, a garbage series that can't even show when my country was great and just show the leftist decay and rot.

>>716432905
Why do you hate PC gaming so much?

>>716434258
He's a Snoy, it checks out.

>>716424430 (OP)
>You’re not going to get people to transition consoles because of exclusives anymore.
A huge reason for this is that Nintendo exclusives have become very different from Sony exclusives (and Xbox has basically no exclusives anyway). If you know what type of games you like that pretty much already determines which console you're getting. It's not like the late 90s where if you like mascot platformers you've still got a tough choice between the N64 library and the PS1 library, or if you like JRPGs you have to decide whether you want to play Final Fantasy or Skies of Arcadia, or so on.

>>716433683
To be fair though as long as Nintendo makes less powerful hardware there is always a place for another console manufacturer.
Vast amounts of people still play on console instead of PC and that is not going to change anytime soon.

>>716434181
When will GTA6 be releasing on PC Vegan /v/Pleddit Parasocial Valve echochamber platform? Stop all caps shouting at me.

>>716434493
>To be fair though as long as Nintendo makes less powerful hardware there is always a place for another console manufacturer.
Only Nintendo needs to exist
>Vast amounts of people still play on console instead of PC and that is not going to change anytime soon.
PlayStation and Xbox are no longer needed.

>>716434101
You got it, except that for the companies like Microsoft and Sony and these analysist types at this point its to late to pivot to exclusives.
Its not that Xbox couldn't make a new exclusive that's good and then make a sequel to that exclusive on their new system to bring people over..
Its that doing so would be a waste of time compared to the expectations placed upon them.

If a new company came into the field and was able to hang on today, then the absolute best piece of advice would be to cultivate your exclusives. But its to late for M&S to repivot on account of shareholder expectations, so they gotta find some other way.

>>716433959
>When's GTA6 coming on PC by the way?
We'll know when they announce it

>>716434720
I don't care, when it doesn't I'm not buying or playing it. GTA is the only thing left you can think of. Call me when those bastards at Rockstars make a Bully 2 if they don't manage to fuck that up too.

>>716435193
*does

I hope you both have a heart attack when GTA6 is streamed by zoomers nonstop on the PS5. Which is not available on PC.

exclusives are the only reason to buy a console. It's hard for me to understand, most boomers were extremely critical and smart back in the 90s, the industry simply turned into a dogshit playground for nepobabies and codemonkeys

>>716435073
Microsoft owns CoD, TES, Minecraft, fuckin' everything. If they wanted to, they could make the most absurd slate of exclusives of basically any console. They've just somehow been convinced that the short term need to recoup costs with software sales is more important than actually having an anchor for your hardware expansion.

>>716435327
I hope you have a heart attack when that doesn't save the future of the PlayStation or Xbox with the PS6 costing $900, the PS handheld costing $700, Microsoft's OEMs costing $700-$1000, Microsoft's home console costing over $1400, so normal trash like you can finally get the fuck out of our hobby, the one you destroyed, and AAA trash like GTA can finally die with you.

>>716435541
>They've just somehow been convinced that the short term need to recoup costs with software sales is more important than actually having an anchor for your hardware expansion.
Because the spent trillions of dollars getting those and now Microsoft as their parent company want a quick return on investment because the line needs to go up and the shareholders will not tolerate the needed 10 or so years to get the cultural infrastructure set up decreasing the slope at which that fucking line goes up.
That's what I have meant by
>Its that doing so would be a waste of time compared to the expectations placed upon them.
Also despite my language I'm not mad at you I'm mad at the continued degradation of companies to appease shareholders.

>>716435541
There is no convincing, both Microsoft and Sony fucked up too hard and lost too much money, they now have to recoup all the cost. Xbox and PlayStation are as good as dead. Nothing of value will be lost.

>>716435994
>Nothing of value will be lost
Because everything of value been lost since the ps2 days. SONY deserves to die but having to cater to the chinese is also good, a proud japanese company turned amerishart turned chink

>>716436116
Agreed, Sony got chinked, Microsoft got jeeted. Valve stayed American, Nintendo stayed Japanese. I'm only supporting them going forward. Snoys and Xbots aren't human.