Thread 716449920

There is no one on nexusmods even bothering with this shit. The modders simply gave up . What went so wrong

It makes me wonder how long Bethesda will continue using Creation Engine.

>>716450187
The engine is not the problem, it's the direction.

It still baffles me why there's no playable aliens in a sci-fi space game

They should've just made it take place in our solar system instead of having 1000 planets full off the same procedural slop

>>716449920 (OP)
>There is no one on nexusmods even bothering with this shit. The modders simply gave up
i predicted this on /v/ a day after this game launched and people shat on me for it. i am tired of always being right about shit like this

>What went so wrong
1. the game underneath is soulless and no mod can fix this
2. the setting does not lend itself to adding fun through mods. Skyrim for example is exactly that kind of corny fantasy world lets you literally create ANYTHING within it. swords, hot or buff babes, viking LARPing, Dark Souls LARPing, necromancy, a living breathing natural overworld, all kinds of magic and fantasy shit.

on the other hand Starfield is sterile, everyone is locked in suits, there's no sword and sorcery aspect, the environments are all locked away separated and have nothing memorable, etc. as a playground for possible ideas it's just completely barren and restrictive so that's why modders don't want to bother with it.

>>716450569
Tremulous lets you play as either humans or aliens.

https://tremulous.net/

>>716450569
Halo 2 has you play one a short while into the campaign.

>>716449920 (OP)
When I heard that you can't even undress enemies you loot, I knew it was 100% gonna be dead in the water.
I didn't even bother buying or pirating it.

>>716450982
Yeah I know

>>716450569
what about every alien game ever

>>716451310
It makes starfield look more retarded then

>>716450187
> muh engine

Guess this is the new go to Bethesdrone cope now?

1 flop is excusable, 2 is iffy, but 3? Can’t wait for the TES VI consoom hype cycle to be shattered by the most 6/10 sterile corporate “just turn your brain off bro!” goyslop imaginable.

And then repeat in 2032 for Fallout 5

>>716449920 (OP)
>What went wrong
1,000 planets, but maybe 5 cities and like 20 points of interest
>I saw this exact pirate base on 50 different planets already
Game would be be great with Daggerfall style procedural generation, a main questline that’s actually interesting, and Mass Effect style alien races.

>>716451535
procedural gen never works

>>716450393
The Engine severely limited what they could do technically. Its because of the Engine they couldn't do seamless take offs and landings and they had to have 3 loading screens to go anywhere. Its because of the Engine every city feels like a small village, because they have to have 20 bajillion placeable physics objects so anything beyond that would destroy most PCs.

etc etc etc. At least half of whats wrong with Starfield can be placed at the feet of insisting on using an engine that could not handle what they wanted to make.
The other half is direction.

>>716450569
Aliens are lame and gay.
Go play fantasy.

>>716451448
All 4 of those releases are on the same engine, bro.
Bethesda are incompetent. Part of their incompetence is not updating Creation. Starfield has the same tired bugs that were in Morrowind.
I'm not saying swap to UE5 but take a fucking break and actually fix whats broken. Update it so it can handle basic fucking shit that every other game can do now, like LADDERS.

>>716453923
>muh loading screens
That's the least of it's problems. The fact that it's the first thing you bring up about the game just shows how clueless you are.
>At least half of whats wrong with Starfield can be placed at the feet of insisting on using an engine that could not handle what they wanted to make.
Wrong.

>>716453923
>20 bajillion placeable physics objects so anything beyond that would destroy most PCs.
its so funny to me they don't understand that is the charm of elder scrolls and yet rpgs still try to push this BIG CITY LOAD OF NPCS bullshit. Avowed is a great example of this. When you go to whiterun you know every npc by name and they may only say a few things time to time but it feel lived in and homey. Skyrim is the last soulful rpg we will ever get and its sad.

>>716454263
>This is the mind of a Bethdrone
If the capital city of an entire region is 10 thatch roof buildings on a hill, the game has failed to achieve any amount of believability. I should not know every NPC by name in the capital city of a country.
By all means, have the literal villages do that. But not Whiterun.

1 solar system.
3 major factions.
Aliens.
No dumbspace magic.
Not hire indians.

>>716454213
Being brown must suck so much lol

>>716455174
>no argument what so ever
I accept your concession, retradbro.

>>716449920 (OP)
Andreja is my waifu

>>716450187
They'll bolt on some new features and call it something else again.

>>716455271
You didn't make an argument either. You just quoted him and said 'wrong'

>>716451448
It's a thought terminating cliche. It's a tool that people use to avoid thinking about things that make them uncomfortable. Instead of confronting how the storytelling has become worse and worse and will only get worse with every installment or how utterly safe everything in the setting is and how there's no indication that Bethesda recognises this as a problem or how every installment takes longer to build and has less and less content they just say "yep it's the engine" and change the subject. Bethesda is over and deep down they know and they know it'll hurt to acknowledge it so they have to protect themselves from thinking about it.

>>716457272
>speaking of yourself in third person

>>716459321
Try that again in English

>>716454213
>That's the least of it's problems.
Its literally one of the biggest problems. Playing this game feels like shit, because everything is separated/disjointed. You don't feel like you're actually going anywhere, just being teleported from one cell to another, because its exactly that.

>>716449920 (OP)
horrible worldbuilding + no aliens killed any interest in this game

>>716460082
I can understand that take when travelling between planets but not for shit like going into buildings.

>>716460082
>because everything is separated/disjointed
It's especially bad considering one of Bethesda's trademarks is having a large, uninterrupted overworld.

There's a small group reverse-engineering the animation format right now. The community patch team started sharing their own notes on animations too, there's good progress on it. If they make it, both coomers and Star Wars fags are interested in pumping out new content.

>>716449920 (OP)
Half of the other mod went to creation club, lotsa pajeet wants to cash in to be 'verified creators' so they can sell you color swapped horse armor.

>>716450569
the problem is that the only playable race is human, and every alien in the game is a monster deathclaw reskin or a giant triceratops that doesnt aggro unless you attack it. game fucking sucks and feels so fake and lame and rushed and like no one cared about it. because that's accurate

The way they gave up on it too proves they did something right with their other games. Because people still bother to create content for Skyrim despite all the bitching

>>716463724
>the problem is that the only playable race is human
Not a problem in the fallout games. Most people are going to play as a human. Starfield is shit but that's the least of its problems

>>716463846
Skyrim is awesome. So is Morrowind.

>>716460082
The problem is, letting you travel smoothly between planets won't help. Because space is empty, that's like its defining thing. It's not like skyrim, there is nothing to see, the travel is purely a waste of time.
It might work if they shrunk space way down and put lots of nebulas and debris and weird hazards to create a sense of terrain, but real space is boring and pointless so timeskipping past it is the only sane option. A lot of the game's flaws are just inherent to the genre. If they went all in and made it simulationist with time acceleration or some Elite-type shit it would've been more honest but probably an even bigger flop, Bethesda's players don't want to stare at a distance counter slowly going down for 10 minutes like in E:D

>>716449920 (OP)
>What went so wrong
It runs like shit, has too many loading screens, its woke and its $130.
If it was a throwaway $20 title and didnt run like trash it'd be a solid 6/10 game with mods.

It was obvious how little effort went into it when it had so many buggy low-poly Australian Aboriginals staring at you with that petroleum stare.

>>716453923
>The Engine severely limited what they could do technically.
A good game dev edits their engine, upgrades it or just replaces it with their own in-house engine.
Bethesda need to stop modding their 25 year old Morrowind engine cuz their games all look like modded Fallout 3

>>716449920 (OP)
its simply a bad game.

>>716449920 (OP)
Todd's magnum opus...his swan song...

>>716450187
They don't have a choice without replacing most of the studio. Though my guess is they're going to lean more and more on outsourcing until only creative decisions are made instudio.

The modders it has are trying to monetize by selling them through Todd's Creation Club
imagine paying money for mods for such an awful and empty game, though.

>>716464926
At this point I hope TES6 bombs entirely, Bethesda does not deserve success and they especially don't deserve modders fixing their game for free. They have totally squandered a phenomenon.

>>716449920 (OP)
the random npcs look like they were face scanned from homeless drug addicts.

i assumed they would have atleast fallout 4 levels of interest with several big quest mods already made but it seems there is nothing

>>716449920 (OP)
every single aspect of this game is bland and uninteresting.

>>716450569
Starfield portrays the reality no one wants to acknowledge, which is that there's very likely no other intelligent life in the universe.

>x is least of your concerns
>What about y
>Y is also least of your concerns
Then what fuck should be my concern

I'll say it,
"Hard" sci fi was a bad decision for 100+ hour long rpg
They should've gone full startrek instead of this bland and sanitized NASA punk

>>716449920 (OP)
There's nothing to mod it with. The gameplay is about landing on proc gen empty planets. It's like expecting mods for a submarine video game.

>>716464276
>space being 'empty' (literally everything that exists is in space) to allow the player to fly from planet to planet freely: shit
>planets and caves being completely empty and devoid of life apart from copy paste objects or enemies (or sometimes literally being straight up empty planets): good thing

this user is retarded

>>716453923
>Its because of the Engine they had to have 3 loading screens
false. They could have had a terminal outside the ship that you accessed to have you teleported outside the ship on another planet if you wanted. or teleported to flying it in space. the extra loading screens are only necessary for hardcore RP which are not necessary. the design choice to make it less loading screens could have been made.

Bethesda is king of doing little itty bitty design decisions like that in the most annoying way.

>>716450569
I think many at bethesda would rather elder scrolls was low fantasy. Oblivion was practically a low fantasy game compared to morrowind.

>>716450187
>Muh creation engine can't handle open cities
Well, it did
>Muh creation engine can't handle space ships. You'll just be a flying camera in space
Nope. You are actually sitting in the cockpit. You can hear your crew in your ship and when you place stuff on your consoles you can see them while flying in first person.
>Muh creation engine can't handle cars. The terrain can't load fast enough and you'll fall through the world
This didn't even make sense before they added a vehicle. You can use mods and console commands to accelerate to ridiculous speeds and the engine can keep up. On top of that New Vegas has a car mod so this was bullshit, even a decade ago
>Muh creation engine can't handle seamless transitioning
Except that fallout 4 already had seamless transitions with elevators

Starfield sucks because it's badly designed. The engine is probably the best part of Starfield. The only reason the engine seems bad is because Bethesda is retarded and keeps designing their games around the engines weaknesses and not it's strength.

>>716470112
>loading screens
>RP
????????????

>>716466521
Stop hiding the aliens, Todd.

>>716449920 (OP)
what is there to mod and do? the game is barren even mods can't save it
there is no system in it that skyrim didn't have

>>716470665
maybe read the post a few more times and try thinking a bit and you will understand what the post is saying.

>>716449920 (OP)
space travel

>create a city where each interior with 1 npc to talk to has a loading screen, which then means when you exit the room you get another loading screen
>someone says this is not a problem

Does this explain why Bethesda keeps making terrible games and they never feel the need to improve. Todd literally takes the biggest pile of shit in their mouth and they just gulp it down like the scat fetishits they are.

>>716466521
>the reality no one wants to acknowledge
is that we'll never make it off this rock in meaningful capacity

>>716467749
Hard SF can be very interesting, in fact its an untapped goldmine of ideas and mechanics that are fresh to this medium
It's just not appropriate for Skyrim In Space produced by DEI hires

It's sad to see endless discussions about mainstream garbage like this when there are excellent indie games that do everything starfield should have been and much more

death to all normalfags

>>716470258
Oblivion is the definition of high fantasy, daggerfall and arena are closer to low fantasy and that's a stretch

>>716473016
we're tired of flat space pixelart garbage and any 3D space sim is gigajank
cursed genre

>>716472462
someone is badly defending starfield by saying that an expectation in 2024 to not have loading screens for every single action is a view held by only RP autists

>>716454402
Pull up the Skyrim sales numbers vs avowed (even include gamepass downloads)

>>716470112
Agree

>>716473052
>Oblivion is the definition of high fantasy

>Low fantasy is a subgenre of fantasy where magical or supernatural elements intrude upon an otherwise normal world
this almost describes oblivion. you have a world that looks like earth with earth animals all over the place. The oblivion gates intrude on the world. Other than the oblivion gates what is high fantasy? the races, already established in other games, the books, most were written for other games, the skybox? The high fantasy part of oblivion mostly comes down to the legacy of the IP. When bethesda makes a new IP they make starfield, a hard scifi game with a fantasy NG+. People have said for years that bethesda makes the new elder scrolls games less alien because they want it to sell more and they dont think people will buy werid games. why would they make a nasa punk hard scifi game then? almost no one likes hard scifi. the reason they make that is because they like that sort of safe and unimaginative stuff themselves.

>>716473117
lol.
not defending starfield at all. Are you ESL? nothing you said is true about that post.

>>716473389
The races don't exist in our world retard it has nothing to do with other games.
High and low fantasy aren't quality descriptions it's literally just a genre. Oblivion is high fantasy full stop

>you know what will make people really want to mod our game?
>setting it in a world where the only sentient beings are brown people and there are no aliens or cool shit just large empty worlds
idk what they were thinking

>>716473743
Romance options are shit too

>>716453923
nigga the engine doesn't limit any of that shit. they could easily implement dynamic level streaming like every other game for all the tiles, and they could just raycast from the ship to the surface of the planet. honestly i'm surprised nobody has implemented it as a mod for the game so you can remove the tile boundaries and also land wherever you want.

>>716449920 (OP)
We've been over this a hundred times. The basegame isn't memorable and there's no documentation for the creation kit. Unless you somehow really, really like Starfield, there's no point in making mods for it because Skyrim ones will sell better.

>>716449920 (OP)
>What went so wrong
Boring world
Boring story
Everything is sterile and inoffensive
Niggers
If NPC is gay you can't kill him
Non-killable NPCs in general
One thousand planets but not a single one of them is interesting
Literally dragonborn but in space

Can't wait for Bethesda to embarrass themselves one more time with TES 6 before getting liquidated by MS

>>716453923
Fuck off tim your engine is jeet garbage

>>716449920 (OP)
Starfield would been saved if it has only Sol system or couple of handcrafted border systems between two empires fighting over them.

>>716470495
>Nope. You are actually sitting in the cockpit. You can hear your crew in your ship and when you place stuff on your consoles you can see them while flying in first person.
The ship's interior is a small cell you load into. Everything outside of the ship is completely fake. Other ships and asteroids don't move relative to a planet's orbit, they spawn and move relative to the player ship. That's why it was big news when BGS fixed the bug that made asteroids blatantly follow the ship, they broke the illusion.
>You can use mods and console commands to accelerate to ridiculous speeds and the engine can keep up.
The graphic rendering part of it. The script engine completely shits the bed and ruins save files down the line. Speed was capped since Oblivion because of the way loading and unloading cells is handled. When entering a cell, all scripted references in this and adjacent cells are queued up for updating. The cells you leave behind queue up the safe suspension of their scripts. Changing overland cells too fast builds a massive stack that might take several minutes to get resolved, provided nothing gets stuck along the way.
>Except that fallout 4 already had seamless transitions with elevators
It's a load screen hidden behind the elevator animation. When the game is installed on a hard drive, it always freezes for just under a second at the end of elevator ride - that's the cell transition.