https://store.steampowered.com/app/3245640/Starfinder_Afterlight/

>>717025228 (OP)
I skipped through a few of the books a few years ago. I don't think I saw a sinlge art work of a cool white male characters.
Only minority men or girlboss women.

I'm honestly shocked Owlcat isn't making this. No I really do think their two unnanounced cRPGs are going to be Warhammer 40k again. They really are making Black Crusade aren't they?

>>717025228 (OP)
>studio's first game
>kickstarter
low expectations
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/epictellers/starfinder-afterlight

>still no PF2E game
>closest we have is a no-budget simulator on steam and the WIP PF2E Baldur's Gate 3 mod

>>717025228 (OP)
This is going to keep getting compared to Rogue Trader and it's going to flop because Owlslop isn't making it lol

>>717025834
>>717026035
Does Paizo just let anyone do whatever? Owlcat was unproven when they contacted them for Kingmaker weren't they?

Really wish Owlcat was making this.

if this doesn't have a cute furry character to attract idiots beyond bland taste sci-fi fans and paizo slopsuckers, it's DOA

>>717026456
there are cat people in the system

>>717025228 (OP)
>patzio
Pathfinder but STARFINER

>>717026395
Paizo is just fairly loose with their license, they're not even afraid to hand it out to kickstarters with high chances to fail like the Pathfinder MMO. It just sucks that there's just not a lot of industry interest in the brand to get some more capable studios to make a solid budget Pathfinder 2E CRPG because I do feel like the ruleset and customization would just resonate very well with the video game playing audience if just the right team was able to come together to make it happen.

>>717027108
Vidya is saved

>>717027835
PF2E is really fucking videogamey and it even avoids the pre-buffing bullshit that a lot of people hated. The BG3 PF2E mod is super fun to play

>>717025228 (OP)
Woke status?

>>717025228 (OP)
Cover and trailer both look terrible

>>717025228 (OP)
>Afterlight

Game is required to have at least one Russian granny gunslinger.

>>717025484
Most of the characters are purple aliens or insectoids though.

>>717027108
Those looks radically different from the 1st edition Pahtras.

Also, pretty sure Skittermanders are the defacto cute furry race for Starfinder.

>>717026395
>>717025834
Thank God Owlcat is not making this. Not trying to piss in your cereals but you have to have some kind of hidden fetish for being abused if you enjoy Owlcat games.

>>717025228 (OP)
Buy an ad

>>717025228 (OP)
>crpg
>just jrpg with xcom combat instead of menu masturbation

>>717025228 (OP)
The homosexuals will love this one

>>717025228 (OP)
This universe is so gay. Why are you people excited for this.

>>717025228 (OP)
>2E
Yeah no fuck that. Glad Owlcat stopped working with Paizo.

>>717032565
1e catfolk always had radically insane, Elder Scrolls-tier differences in art. 2e is not immune to such, for both Pathfinder and Starfinder.
There's also the fact this is likely a Sand Roamer Pahtra, so they are Small instead of Medium.

Compare that adorable fellow to the Iconic Solarian, for example. ...Or don't, cause....yeah...

I heard starfinder first ed was unbalanced af, is 2nd ed any good? Also do they have a front-line caster class?

>>717025228 (OP)
THat cover looks so gay

>Persona style cut in
I'm looking forward to this, especially since we don't have a space themed sci-fi CRPG other Colony Ship.

>>717033430
It only came out yesterday so people are still learning the meta and kinks. Being built of Pathfinder2e, it is far more balanced and meant to be fully compatible with that game, but they purposely postponed doing any of the "big" systems that they fucked the first time. So no advanced hacking, no tactical starship combat, no mechs. Since Starfinder is handled by a separate team compared to Pathfinder, they still need to prove themselves on such, so we just don't know.
>Also do they have a front-line caster class?
Yes and no? 2e casters are far less potent compared to any other system past or present. Plus a "frontline" in Starfinder isn't really a thing just because....everyone is packing heat, guns and lasers are just standard. But not only the base Starfinder2e casters, the Mystic and Witchwarper, are bulkier to the standard 2e on, they are currently regarded as just 2 of the best casters in the system so far, next to Animist and Witch.

There are melee gishes in the 2e -Finder games like Magus, Animist, and Warpriest Cleric. Warpriest is very much a frontliner support. But they aren't going to be super powerful or Protagonist Syndrome-prone. You gotta experiment and learn the kinks of the games before you can expect to just win since gishes are very much big targets of the nerf bat.

>>717033221
Owlcat still works with Paizo. They are even said they are up to making a 2e game (to my surprise as well, figured they just hated the system). They're just backlogged.

>>717033709
rogue trader and dark heresy

>>717034585
That's 40k, that's less sci-fi and more Science High Fantasy

>>717034657
Then why are you looking forward to Starfinder

>>717034657
I wouldn't expect Starfinder to scratch that sci-fi itch. It is explicitly science fantasy, magic meets science. More Phantasy Star and G Gundam than Star Trek.

>>717034323
>no mechs
ah man come on

>>717034748
>>717034741
Not a deal breaker since I am playing through Rogue Trader and I do plan to get Dark Heresy, but damn I was hoping it'd be regular sci-fi

>>717034992
Is that an in-game model? If so, Owlcat is already getting mogged

>>717035034
Straight from the steam screenshots. Seems to be the female main character I think?

>>717034992
thicc

Alright. I'm interested.

>>717035114
I think you make a Custom Character cus the chick is 2nd in the party list.

>>717035239
She's a companion then?

>>717034759
It's not a question of "why", but "when". Even 1e took a good number of years to get mech rules. It just the fact that SF1e pretty much died-on-impact because of how badly they botched rules like starship combat (it literally outscaled your skill ranks at launch, it became far harder to pilot the further you level). So they want to genuinely get it right, especially since SF2e is a little rushed out the market because of the OGL drama (the GM guide comes out next month, to illustrate the point).

For 2e, they want to take their time with all the tech stuff and systems that are hard to get right in a tabletop setting.

>>717029345
Starfinder 1e is fairly non-woke for the sourcebooks, a little woke for the adventures. Most obnoxious bit is in Temple of the Twelve where your party needs to find out where a college professor went, and the only possible way to get access to the professor's files is to get a completely unrelated professor to recant their sociological research as a favor to the dean because the press found it politically offensive. Temple of the Twelve is quite honestly the worst Starfinder adventure written and I'm disappointed they didn't take the chance with the omnibus release of Dead Suns to rewrite it. On top of the woke stuff there's an huge stretch in the middle of the adventure where the players just make fifteen to twenty survival rolls then fight a dinosaur then make ten more survival rolls then fight another dinosaur.

>>717029345
its based on a tabletranny IP
its going to be woke

>>717035290
I think so, one of the other screen shots shows her in dialogue with (you)

>>717034992
>>717035189
>meanwhile in Owlcat games

>>717032573
We love OwlKINO here, you fucking rat.

>>717035467
>he wants us to lust after Xeno filth

>>717035520
Speak for yourself

>>717025228 (OP)
Looks woke

my favorite body type: aushwitz victim

>>717034323
>Starfinder 2e
>But they purposely left out the game systems that distinguish it from Pathfinder.
So really its just a space sourcebook for Pathfinder 2e.

I mean, I can see being paranoid because the launch version of the starship rules for 1e made the game doa for a lot of people, but you'd think they'd at least give people a converted version of the final starship rules.

Hacking rules I can see leaving out because those were legitimately insane and showcased the fundamental problem of trying to apply D&D levels to sci-fi equipment.

>>717035761
You sure? >>717035189
>>717034992

I will romance this woman.

>>717032573
I have a low tolerance for bullshit and except for the very final part of WotR ive never felt like they were busting my balls.

This is one time where I find a semi quriky, fun ofsci-fi setting really....alluring? I can handle a bit of woke. I just want a "fun" sci-fi cRPG after the cynicism in rogue trader and the crazy shit that's going to be in dark heresy

I don't get why people hate Owlcat to this degree on /v/. They are not perfect devs and every single one of their games is not worth playing until 2-3 years after release, but they are not bad at making entertaining videogames.

I think it looks okay you guys are being too mean

>>717036353
The blurb on the Steam page and this pic >>717035876 make me worried about milenial writing.

>>717036493
>milenial writing.
I believe that as well, unfortunately.

I can't believe this is the only PF2E offering on the market and it's not even licensed by Paizo

>>717034748
Thank goodness, Starfield and Osiris Reborn got me feeling down with their plain bread settings.

>>717036487
It's okay I like it now bro because it has women with big tits and hips

>>717035398
Eh. Starfinder 1e was fairly middle of the road. More woke than older stuff sure but not nearly as bad as PbtA horseshit or safe edgy trash like Mork Borg.

I mean, they made an Earth 2 style adventure path without including a long screed about the evils of colonialism, so that alone puts them above their contemporaries.

>>717034323
Ok how about long range aoe blasters? I see on the store page there’s the “mystic” class and the witchweaver class which sounds pretty magical

Starfinder is a dogshit TTRPG, though.

>>717035894
NTA but I'm pretty sure they deliberately made Valerie as a troll character in Kingmaker. Perfectly statted for a paladin, but then she's atheist so can't change class. Gives virtuous knight vibes but if you romance her you find out she willingly had a train run on her while a mercenary.
On top of that can't romance the dwarf, gnome, or halfling.

>>717035189
You have my attention.

>>717026315
it really shouldn't be difficult to make a better game than Rogue Trader

>>717036428
>they are not bad at making entertaining videogames.
yes the fuck they are, they just trick autismos by tickling their buildcrafting autism

>>717037397
From what I recall of SF1e, mystic and technologist were both 3/4 casters, and witchwarper was the only full caster in the game. Technologist has some decent damage spells but is mostly useful for utility spells and engineering skillmonkey.
Best AoE damage in the game was actually Soldier I believe. Every assault rifle in the game had an optional cone aoe fire mode, and there was a Soldier specialization built around tossing grenades and basically always having extra grenades in their backpack.

I've yet to even see /v/ choose a cRPG they actually like outside of BG1/2. You guys shit on literally every single other thing.

>>717037443
The prices were a drawback of continuing over from 3.5/Pathfinder and having to price equipment like magic items. Better to just ignore the prices and say "Okay, you're level 4 now, use the stats for a tactical knife instead of a basic knife".

>>717038384
Arcanum
Fallout 1 and 2

>>717038439
better to just play a good game instead of a bad one

>>717038384
Disco Elysium

>>717026395
What's the other pathfinder game? Suddenly it looks like a true crpg. Its coming out next year, was on ks, too.

>>717027808
Got a loicense for this post? That'll do. That'll land you a juicy fine!

>>717025228 (OP)
Hideous artstyle. How can you have such a great idea for a game but fuck it up like that.

Coomers are so easy to please.

>>717039321
Great idea? Like what? The art style is trending right now. I dislike the faces and fashion, else it's serviceable and trendy among kids.

>you're right, let's put some dents in these guys

>>717039584
The whole point of CRPGs is immersive longform playthroughs, this saturday morning cartoon artstyle is anti-immersion. I don't even need to explain it, look at this goofy ass portrait. It makes sense for shit like Fortnite, but its not the right target audience here. Also with that style you just know it's going to be marvelslop tier writing

>>717040089
case in point
>>717035876

>>717040089
yeah it should be generic concept art slop from artstation

>>717025228 (OP)
>Paizo's beloved science-fantasy universe
>beloved
really nigga

>>717035786
Even I agree it might have been a bit too early to drop SF2e. Again, I think the OGL issues put a fire under their asses and they needed to make sure the SF team had something to do that isn't a (hypothetical) legal minefield. So they sort of rushed out SF2e.
The GM Core releases next month has a fill-in, narrative-based starship combat rules. More than likely just battle stations and skill checks to get you past simple skirmishes. Tactical stuff is probably coming next year, alongside Technomancer and Mechanic.

>>717038095
>>717037397
Mystic is a healer with their own point pool and are full casters now (though every caster now have somewhat properly scaling Class DCs to fire AOE weapons compared to Pathfinder casters). Spontaneous casters with Primal/Occult/Divine variants.
Technomancer is also going to be a full caster but still experimenting with the skillmonkeys.
Witchwarper is very much the best aoe blaster, though long range is a bit off key thanks to their warp zone mechanic where they get a pocket reality that amps up their spellcasting powers.
Soldier is still the best AOE damage blaster. Give them a heavy weapon and watch them BTFO pretty much everything and be fucking immortal with their HP and armor.

>>717037443
yeah, they made sure to fix that absurd economy issues.

>>717025228 (OP)
Starfinder is such a shit TRPG, holy shit.
How can anyone believe giving levels to equipment is a good fucking idea outside a fucking videogame.

>>717035876
It's denting time!

>>717041823
>narrative-based starship combat rules
Ugh. I mean, I guess they kind of fit better for most Starfinder scenarios but still kind of lame.

Biggest issue with starship combat in CRPGs I feel is that it's hard to strike a good balance between ship classes. The player fantasy is Luke Skywalker in an X-wing escorting the Millenium Falcon, but 9 times out of 10 in a CRPG that winds up with the starfighter player dead. The game needs to be well setup to have the players in a medium ship fighting a few fighters and maybe one larger ship, and give options so a player in a separate fighter can contribute and be rescued if wrecked in the fight.

>>717041823
Wait, Technomancer and Mechanic aren't in the core rules? WTF?

>>717025228 (OP)
Damn I was pretty interested in the setting, but had no time for /tg/ play, was waiting for something like this

>>717025228 (OP)
>STARFINER
Do you know you were receding way over the redshift limit? I'm going to have to fine you for that

This is tripping my WEG detector

>>717027974
Yeah I feel like if a studio gave an honest shot at it I think it would resonate with core gamers. When Baulder's Gate 3 came out I knew there was a very brief window of time where I could convince my primarily video game playing friends to play a TTRPG with me as the DM. Rather than picking up 5e (because I fucking hate the ruleset) I got us playing PF2e and I've been experiencing in real time my friends get more into the hobby. It's a really good gateway RPG for those players it's really unfortunate there's just not enough money behind the brand to push it into the mainstream without Owlcat having any interest in it.

>>717043525
Yeah, it is one of those logistical issues I don't envy anyone trying to figure out. Running a seafaring campaign really opened my eyes to how...unfun the entire concept of large vehicular combat is, even with an entirely different ruleset.

>>717043596
Witchwarper both takes up the INT/CHA-Arcane(/Occult) caster slot, 2e classes need more space compared to 1e ones, and they are saving all the big tech stuff for next year's major release. Plus if you know Paizo, it is better to not watch them struggle to tackle a shitload of new classes in one year.
In the meantime, Pathfinder2e has the Inventor class which is a more low-tech version of Mechanic, and Technomancer and Mechanic are in active playtest so you can futz about with the actual classes. Just don't expect to see them in the vidya's likely early access release.

>>717040089
It's off putting, sure. Colours, gradient aso isn't bad, just characters and fashion.
.. Picrel is a crpg?

>>717025228 (OP)
For me its phaseworld
>space jews
>perverted S&M space jews
>Spells to make wizards travel faster than light
>Supreme god is a tool hitting another tool and imparts Power Cosmic to very nice people seemingly at random.
>A faction of wizards who built a galactic empire before they figured out how electricity works
>its also just One Piece meets Bablyon 5.

>>717025228 (OP)
>>717035876
Jesus Christ that art is terrible. In addition to this troon, it has a fucking bara lizardman.
Game and developer ignored.

>>717044434
That's how they look

>>717044434
there's literally nothing wrong with bara lizardmen

>>717041823
Well witchwarper sounds cool, I’m glad they’ve made more full casters from 1e.
In pathfinder I didn’t like how the dedicated blaster class used constitution, because I like building glass cannons in rpgs. Yes I know there’s archetypes to replace it with another stat. Actually now that I think about it, is Pathfinder 2e more accompanying for aoe blasters or is it still like 1e where they are expected to control the battlefield in other ways? I know they nerfed casters a lot.

>>717044434
There’s like 10 million sci fi universes with only boring humans if that’s your taste. Science fantasy fans have not been given a bone in like forever.

>>717040089
oh my fucking god nigga not every game needs to be realistic league of legends renderslop. Games can have lineart for fucks sake.

You have no idea how I'd fucking KILL for a cRPG with art direction more similar to a JRPG

>>717046376
>’m glad they’ve made more full casters from 1e
It does come at the expense of no 2/3rd's casters at launch. 2e doesn't have that kind of spell slot system, every caster is expected to scale up to 10th-Rank Spells. Instead, traditional half/two-third casters are now "Bounded Casters", where they have 4 slots total, 2 of their highest and second-highest spell slot. Think like D&D5e Warlock Pact Magic slots.
Starfinder2e doesn't have any class like that so far or in the near future. So it means casters are stuck casting with an occasional burst fire from a gun if they wanna mix it up but not expected to hit anything.
> is Pathfinder 2e more accompanying for aoe blasters or is it still like 1e where they are expected to control the battlefield
They pretty much double-downed on that idea. Just expecting raw damage out of your casters is not really meta, even if they are still good enough at it. They really want them to be focused on buffing, debuffing, crowd control, and area denial. Soldier is also built like this, just with the heavy weapons essentially running off their CON stat thanks to how Class DCs work.

You can play Mystic as a blaster, it gets access to the Primal (Druid) list with a subclass and it is the squishiest Starfinder2e class (6HP a Level and stuck at Light Armor). The Vitality Network feature means you still can support the team while having all your slots dedicated to Fireball and Carcinization (turn your foe into a crab).

>>717036686
Beat all 3, mechanically perfect pf2e srd

>>717046973
(Witchwarper can also nuke the SHIT out of everything, it is likely the most powerful caster released so far. But they have decent bulk with 8HP and Light Armor training so they aren't exactly what I would call glass cannons).

>>717026223
I think they are making a 2e game? Dragon's Demand?
hopefully it and this turn out good, PF2e/Starfinder need a good kick and I need to find an actual table to play these games instead of just reading rules and bullshit

>>717046973
>>717047152
Ty for the writeup, it’s sad cuz I could only get a good nuke build going in wrath with a specific mythic path and magic items, so no guarantee I could replicate that in other games/campaigns.
Witchwarper is still my best bet I suppose, nukes and long range are worth not being a complete glass cannon.
I heard they added kineticist to 2e, is that the dedicated blaster now?

>>717047542
Yeah, Kineticist been here for 2 years now and still pretty damn good at blasting. Even beyond the casters as unlike them, they get item bonuses to their impulse attacks, so their direct single-target elemental damage is more consistent than standard casters. Their biggest issue is incompatibility with the rest of the system, as kinetic blasts and impulses aren't typical Strikes and Spells. So they lack synergy with Archetypes or the brand new Commander class.
There are other good damage-dealing casters in 2e that also have bulk. Animist, Oracle, and Druid all have both armor training and good HP scaling alongside strong class options for nuking something. Kineticist is just good at getting to the point with little chaff or effort on your part.

Psychic still fucking sucks

>>717025228 (OP)
No owlcat, no care.

>>717025228 (OP)
I remember playing this on TTRP once, years ago, and the ship combat was fucking horrendous and the overall system meh.
The ship combat was basically whoever gets scratched first explodes, and landing was an unreasonable check with the massive penalty of "you crash and the ship is fucked".

>>717046762
I've heard that Growlanser IV is just htat

>>717025834
they got 40k and even if they aren't making space marine based games its still a bigger ip

>>717040089
that looks fine to me? i dont really see the problem. when it comes to furry characters in particular it seems like a good balance between not having them be complete cartoons while still making them expressive and not just humans with animal heads

>>717050401
he's just mad the whole game doesn't look like your average fantasy artstationslop

>>717025228 (OP)
>CRPG
Yuck

>>717050513
i dont know where the specific yearning for that taste comes from. bg3 for example is held back immensely by its mediocre artstation character design.
it feels like the characters in those games (im including owlcat in here) have the basics down, they're just missing that extra oomf or soul that really makes a character stand out in a good way that you'd see in a good jrpg. its not like gear design offsets this because gear in these games is often uninspiring or garish in its own way.

>>717025228 (OP)
>Founded in sunny Barcelona back in 2023 and proud of being a fully remote studio, we are a diverse team united by a shared passion to develop games that connect with people.

>spics
>fully remote
>diverse

I have no hope for this game unless every single remote employee is a boomer slav.

>>717051218
spaniards are whiter than you vlad

>>717050970
you want JRPG character design but you're a self hating weaboo and you internalized that anime is cringe.

>>717051373
no i didnt, wtf
i love anime, i think ffx has great character design and i have genuinely defended lulu's belt dress multiple times. no ironic twitter weaboo would ever do that.

>faggots galore
no thanks
leftist media is objectivelly inferior

>>717025228 (OP)
The trailer is giving me "game filled with Nenios" vibes

>>717051590
I see. Then I'm sorry but you're just like me and we're absolutely fucked because westeners have abysmal dogshit taste and nips don't want to make cRPGs

>>717051924
the reason why they never caught on in nipland is that they're kind of nonexistant on consoles. i thought larian's console ports might've changed that but it seems to have barely made a splash over there. but japan seems to be trending more towards pc gaming so maybe theres hope one day if some crpg design trends catch on (like how every game had some kind of watered down chemistry system once breath of the wild became popular)

>>717037443
In kingmaker the king has trouble to source milk and honey for his favourite desert. It cost like 35gp.

>>717025228 (OP)
>devs have a bluesky account
LOL! HIDDEN AND IGNORED ON MY STEAM ACCOUNT!