Sega's biggest mistake was making a billion different versions of Sonic. Mario never had this problem, he's the same in everything he's in. Meanwhile, Sonic has an entirely different setting, tone, and personality in everything he's in. Get rid of all the "alternate takes" and just make one GOOD version of Sonic.

>b-b-but Batman

Batman earned the right to have multiple different interpretations of it, Sonic hasn't.

>>717093843 (OP)
Who cares?

>>717093843 (OP)
Nintendo's lack of creativity of "just slap Mario on it" approach has killed countless creative new characters. Really, did they have to compress Mario into a pinball? Probably caused psychological damage by giving some 7 year old a fetish.

>>717093843 (OP)
>>b-b-but Batman
who are you quoting. What are you talking about. You contradict yourself in your own post. OP was super gay today.

>>717094305
Mario was in Pinball in 1984. Not everyone is fucked up with fetishes as you anon

>>717093843 (OP)
The problem was that Sonic was never good.

>>717094617
A series can't last decades if it was never good. Shit can't become popular or inspire people. This is an industry where only the cream of the crop succeeds while garbage fades into obscurity.

>>717094305
Mario was intentionally designed with that kind of flexibility in mind. Because he's a total blank slate, you can put him in anything.

>>717095049
He has no personality and lacks taste, that is correct.

>>717095305
Yes, and that lack of personality was a brilliant move on their part, as it allows Mario to be put in any game or situation without feeling out of place. We know nothing about Mario, not even basic stuff like his favorite color or what kind of food he likes.

Sega didn't do this with Sonic, and because of that, they're a lot more limited in what they can do with him

>>717093843 (OP)
>8 different Sonic variants
Name them

Mario doesn't have a character.

>>717093843 (OP)
>mario doesn't have this problem because nintendo has been reselling the same 3 games over and over for the last decade....and thats a good thing!
Who are you talking to??

>>717095725
>that lack of personality was a brilliant move
I disagree. Give the stage up to distinct characters, let them become their own thing. Regurgitating brandman is a lame excuse and demonstrates a lack of creativity, a cynicism for the medium and distaste for customers. It's a cold move by a soulless corporation only interested in their bottom line, not interested in the art of the medium they latch to like a parasite.

Mario fans (they exist, and they're very weird) are fetishistic by nature, inserting obtuse wisdom and chimeraing it to a grafted IP, lacking identity they desperately scrap and search for any coherence. Allowing these people to run free has created a plague of creeps and weirdos that frankly, should be put down.

>sonicfag having a melty

>>717093843 (OP)
What is the internet's obsession with painting everything Sonic does as bad when literally every other IP also does it?

>>717096785
Those are all different versions of Zelda (literally different people in-universe) whereas even version of Sonic that are supposed to be the same act differently.

Like, you can't tell me that Adventure Sonic and Modern Sonic are the same character

>>717097393
Adventure Sonic and Modern Sonic are the same character

>>717093843 (OP)
Sonic is better than Batman what are you talking about?

>>717095972
There isn't a single other character in existence that's capable of being in as many different genres as Mario.

When Sonic tries the same thing, it fails because people complain that it's "out of character"

>>717097540
Sonic will never be as consistently high-quality or well-written as Batman.

>>717097569
>When Sonic tries the same thing, it fails because people complain that it's "out of character"
I'll take 'Things that never happened' for 500

>>717097910
Sonic fans have been complaining about the characters being out of character for over a decade now

>>717097569
>There isn't a single other character in existence that's capable of being in as many different genres as Mario.
There are, but that's not the point. The point is to give room to new ideas and give them an opportunity to create an identity. Mariogroids are incessantly baffled why Sonic isn't starring in a first person shooter and a volleyball game and a shoe store simulator like Mario as if it's a foregone conclusion. Completely disconnected and clueless as to how soulless and unappealing it is.

>>717094305
What a retarded image. If Nintendo wasn't bankrolling those games then they wouldn't exist to begin with. Of course they will use Mario to make a sellable product in return.

>>717098093
But it has nothing to do with Sonic doing different genres. On the contrary, the one of the most popular Sonic games in recent years was a murder mystery VN

>>717098174
>why Sonic isn't starring in a first person shooter and a volleyball game and a shoe store simulator like Mario as if it's a foregone conclusion

But Sonic IS doing this and that's the problem. Mario can get away with it because he was designed for that, but Sonic was not. Unlike Mario, he's a very clearly defined character

>>717098329
>But Sonic IS doing this
Name the games

>>717093843 (OP)
>8 different sonic variants
what are they even talking about?

>>717093843 (OP)
>Sega's biggest mistake was making a billion different versions of Sonic.
No, it was the 3Dx

>>717098216
Nintendo shouldn't be afraid to establish new IP, they should instead focus on making better games instead of hurting their brand image with bad games like Mario's Golfing: Star Rush.

I dunno. He looks the same to me.

>>717093843 (OP)
>Sega's biggest mistake was making a billion different versions of Sonic
Name them

>>717093843 (OP)
Didn't Sonic take after Dragon Ball? Variants are important.

>>717098470
32x*

>>717098437
>Game Sonic (who himself has three different versions; Classic, Dreamcast, and Modern)
>AoStH Sonic
>SatAM Sonic
>Archie Sonic
>Fleetway Sonic
>X Sonic
>Boom Sonic
>Prime Sonic
>Movie Sonic

There are probably more. There are too damn many versions of Sonic who are only the same character in name

>>717098545
>Variants are important.
This right here answers the question whole sell. A character or series having alt versions or different takes on it helps keep the series alive and running. It's why theres many Gundam AUs with semi-different settings (or if you're G Gundam, you are on a different planet compared to other G Gundams), more toys to sell, and more people to buy stuff related to the brand.

The variants are mostly western trash and only exist because SEGA has always been bad with quality control and due to that lack of QA we have archie/satam niggers who keep asking for their generic disney furries back and even into the real sonic cast despite the fact they were never going to be canonized. They just need to keep westernfags on a leash and make the games be written by japs again instead of that hack Ian who can't get enough of references in every line of dialog

>>717098497
But they aren't. In fact they have the opposite problems where they have too many IPs and that they can't support them all at the same time.

>>717094305
cope

>>717098919
>>717098545
No retards. We don't need variants, we need SEGA to actually give a shit about how Sonic is portrayed and having consistency. We don't need more slop like Prime or Archie who don't understand the character at all.

>>717098769
>Game Mario
>Super Show Mario
>Adventures of Mario 3 Mario
>Lou Albano Mario
>OVA Mario
>Super Mario-Kun Mario
>Super Mario Adventures Mario
>Paper Mario
>Mario and Luigi Mario
>Movie Mario

>inb4 they don't count because i said so

it’s because sonic games are all shit
/thread

>>717099219
also add Game Mario has three different versions; Jumpman Mario, Modern Mario, and Baby Mario

>>717098769
Those soniccs all act the same.

>>717099219
>90% western slop that never left the 80s/90s
>2 early variants made purely for advertising reasons
2 of those are game mario that still feel like standard mario and movie mario is the only relevant variant that's going to keep existing. Sonic has a ton of versions or a few redesigns that split the fanbase because they latched on to a specific version that was never meant to be more.

>>717098978
SoJ approved the existence of those western variants, so they're at fault.

>>717093843 (OP)
>sonic variants
no such thing, all different characters
>mario variants
yeah that's called luigi keep pretending he doesn't exist

>>717098978
Forces was entirely Jap-written and look what happened there.

>still arguing about mario vs sonic
did I just wake up in the 90’s again?

>>717095725
>24-25
>You are now older than Super Mario

>>717095049
>Mario was intentionally designed with that kind of flexibility in mind
Imagine thinking le jumping man was planned as a genre hopping mascot man from day 1. Nintendo didn't even have a console then

>>717099572
>90% western slop that never left the 80s/90s
>2 early variants made purely for advertising reasons
Same as Sonic

>2 of those are game mario that still feel like standard mario
Same as Sonic (I didn't even read it fully, you ACTUALLY tried to count "Dreamcast Sonic" as a separate variant from modern Sonic) You're a fucking clown

>movie mario is the only relevant variant that's going to keep existing.
Same as Sonic

>Sonic has a ton of versions or a few redesigns that split the fanbase because they latched on to a specific version that was never meant to be more.
>What is Mario and Luigi?
>What is Paper Mario?

>>717099636
It's less that they approved them and more that they just let whatever SoA wanted as long as it sold Sonic to the west
>>717099758
Forces was the last project by the faggot who wrote gens/colors/lost world, retard

>>717099932
>"Dreamcast Sonic" as a separate variant from modern Sonic

He is, their designs and personalities are as different from each other as they are from Classic Sonic.

>>717100014
Then N64 Mario is a variant since his design and personality is different from Modern Mario

>>717099214
>No retards. We don't need variants
You clearly do, since that seems to be all you bitch about.
we need SEGA to actually give a shit about how Sonic is portrayed and have consistency.
Why should they care about that since everyone seems to keep buying Sonic stuff along with going to see the movies?
We don't need more slop like Prime or Archie, who don't understand the character at all.
Those two versions of the character are basically retired, with Prime only being used for outfits for the characters now, and Archie not being heard from in years.

>>717099992
>It's less that they approved them and more that they just let whatever SoA wanted as long as it sold Sonic to the west

That's called approving them.

>Forces was the last project by the faggot who wrote gens/colors/lost world, retard

They did not write Forces. The script was written in Japanese by Sonic Team and they simply translated/localized it into English.

If Pontac and Graff actually wrote Forces, Eggman taking over the world would have been a bigger deal, they loved writing for Eggman.

>>717099932
>muh same as sonic
Majority of Sonic variants act and look completely different to the real, core Sonics
OG DC/98-2008 Sonic is a completely different character than what we had since Colors and again Frontiers/IDW Sonic acts differently which is why thus discourse exists
>M&L, Paper Mario
Side games with the same soul as the mainline games just with a twist to it, and is enjoyed just fine without having rabid faggots who fellate their versions and don't like or are indifferent to mainline mario

>>717100252
>durrr that's called approving them
It's not genuine approval, if it were then they would give a shit about them and either keep them around by reprints or just acknowledging them at the very least or even making them canon to the games which never happened. They were left in the dust but autists stayed and keep crying for their return

>>717100221
Didn't read since you didn't bother to format your post properly

>>717100495
If you allow a third-party to make a product featuring your characters, that's approving it.

>>717099907
>So, even from the beginning, you had envisioned Mario as a character you put in different settings, in different genres?
>Exactly right. And it’s sort of common among the popular culture in Japan that a creator will take that same character and have him will appear in different manga. It’s also sort of like, maybe, Hitchcock appearing in all his movies. It’s sort of cool to have that character appearing here and there, whether or not they have a large role or not.

>>717100334
>its a variant because he's written slightly differently
Add Power Tennis Mario and Strikers Mario to the list of Mario variants then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYBuy7i1uzQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyiChxrCPoE

>M&L and Paper Mario is enjoyed just fine without having rabid faggots who fellate their versions and don't like or are indifferent to mainline mario
>Lying on the internet

>>717100572
Dayum.

>>717093843 (OP)
> batman analogy for sonic
YOU SEE THIS IS HOW CRAZY NINTENDO HAS MADE GAMING. YOU WANT ORDER IN GAMING? Nintendo must take off the $80 price tag and turn the "key cards" in. Oh an day everyday they don't? Gamers will emulate. Starting tonight. I'm a pirate of my word.

>>717100572
Yeah, I forgot to do that. I forgot the ">"
>we need SEGA to actually give a shit about how Sonic is portrayed and have consistency.
Why should they care about that since everyone seems to keep buying Sonic stuff along with going to see the movies?
>We don't need more slop like Prime or Archie, who don't understand the character at all.
Those two versions of the character are basically retired, with Prime only being used for outfits for the characters now, and Archie not being heard from in years.
I've made it much more readable now. Btw nice pic of Amy.

What if Sega made a new "mascot character" with a stricter canon?

>>717100782
>its a variant because he's written slightly differently

Yes

>>717095825
That's why he's based

>>717093843 (OP)
So what happens to Donkey Kong now?

>>717099219
Mario has no defining traits, he's whatever any given project needs him to be. As long as he's called Mario and looks like Mario, he's Mario.

>>717099214
>We don't need more slop like Prime or Archie who don't understand the character at all.
Prime and Archie are whatever, as it's easy to tell that they are an alternate take. IDW is the worst of the bunch with how it larps to be following the game canon.