>savescumming

You have no honor

>>717168175 (OP)
I for one, liked klingon honor guard and I'm upset we don't get more klingon games about killing shit with a batleth

>>717168175 (OP)
Where is the line between save scumming and just loading a save?
If I save the game before a big fight, die and then reload the save, is that save scumming?

>>717168175 (OP)
the game allows you to

>>717168278
Using saves to brute force luck dependent things or reverse mistakes would be scumming imo. Just doing it to avoid a walkback or something like that is fine

>>717168510
Real life allows you to jump in front of a train, so go do it

>>717168175 (OP)
The devs have no brains for allowing it in the first place.

>>717168175 (OP)
goddamn it worf. I was about to make a save state on stage 6 of bayou billy.

In the face of defeat, honor is just a cope for losers.
>y-you didn't play fair
I won, you lost.
>but you cheated!
I won, you lost.
>muh honor
I won, you lost.
>you're a bad person if you don't gimp yourself with a set of arbitrary rules I decided upon myself
I won, you lost.

GIT GUD SKRUB

regardless of what mike matei says, savescumming on old bullshit nes games is ALWAYS justified because they're 100% horseshit.

>>717168175 (OP)
Fuck off Worf, you got beat by a barrel.

>dev intended
>no a cheat
>normal mechanic
where's the problem?

>>717169043
The problem is you're not following the rules some shitlord loser invented.

>>717168175 (OP)
>He'd rather bring shame to his house by losing

>>717168175 (OP)
I agree, but I do it anyway. It's "dishonerable" but it's NOT "cheating", and that's where I draw the line. I will savescum, even in a game that doesn't technically allow it (eg have to do it through windows), for anything. But I won't use cheats or console commands or anything like that in most cases.

Take Nightreign as an example. I COULD run a cheat program to hack in any arbitrary relic I want (for those who don't play the game, relics are RNG shit that have up to 3 randomized traits each, you keep them permanently between runs and each character can equip 3 relics). Instead, I'll savescum for 8 hours straight by manually copying and pasting the save file in Windows and still fail to get the ones I want.

>>717168175 (OP)
not my fault that the devs didn't bother to make a checkpoint system

>>717168175 (OP)

The only circumstance where save states can be justified is if you're trying to intensely practice something, Or you have to get off and you want to pick up where you left off(good for SMB3). Using them under normal circumstances ruins everything about the experience and you absolutely did not beat the game and deserve death.

So... I lied.
I cheated.
I used a save editor to edit my save file. I now have an account on the cheat engine forums.

But the most damning thing of all...?
I think I can live with it. And if I had to do it ALL OVER again, I would.

PirateSoftware was right about one thing: a guilty conscience is a small price to pay for solving the puzzles of Outer Wilds.
So I will learn to live with it... because I CAN live with it. I can live with it.

Computer -- erase that entire cheat table.

Damn that's crazy Wor- WATCH OUT

>Old character everything believes was someone else finally returns

>>717171579
Holy crap Tom Paris!
I actually really liked Lower Decks, even if it did boil down to "I understood that reference"

>>717168175 (OP)
Vidya isn't a purity test. Vidya is played for fun.
If you take pride in playing vidya in a "correct way" you have fragile ego and lack purpose in life.

>>717168175 (OP)
> How dare you enjoy your game in a way I don't approve of.
I will enjoy doing it even more knowing it is pissing some nerd off.

But banjo tooie locks up sometimes and the only workaround is save statting and loading to reset the cycles

>>717170839
AAAAIIIIIIIEEEEEE MY HONORABLE SPINE CAN'T HANDLE IT

>>717168175 (OP)

>>717168620
real life isn't a game

I'm watching TNG for the first time and so far
>Worf - no fun allowed, can be badass once in a blue moon but mostly the villain of the weeks training dummy to show how hard they smack
>meanwhile other Klingon's get you drunk while exchanging tales of honour, eat crazy food then invite you to have ship breaking sex with the females
I can't help but notice a difference but then again I am only on season 2.

>>717172280
Gowron is so fucking based

>he paid to win
heh, you have no "honour", you DOUBLE ferengi

>>717170839
>>717172231
dont post this

>>717172280
TNG was so bad for this it's now known as "The Worf Effect" worldwide

>>717171804
>Spoiler
That was the best part about how they tried address bad/confusing writing and plot holes of the older series. Or actually show cetacean ops.

>>717172280
>Season 2
Pulaski will flesh him out depending on how far you are.

>>717168175 (OP)
Being able to play without paying after dying more than 3 times is cheating, I hope you don't do that

It doesn't matter if it's /v/, if it's /tv/, hell, even if it's /co/: Nu Trek is not Star Trek, Pickle Trek fucking sucks, and you're fucking gay if you like that shit

And it will never ever get vidya games

>>717173286
>reddit frog
Normalfag take

>>717168175 (OP)
>game has barrels

>>717173751
>Pickle Rick derivative enjoyer calling someone else a normalfag
lol
lmao even

>>717173851
>Says the normalfag who uses the reddit frog
LMAO

>>717174028
>>717173751

BELIEVE IT

>>717168175 (OP)
I stopped with it when I started to play Thief for the first time. It's so much more enjoyable to try an salvage a fucked up situation then to do it perfectly.

So the Rick & Trek spammer is also here picking fights with himself?

>>717172968
And he'll flesh out Dax in ds9

>>717174093
>More reddit frogs
Normalfags, Not even once

>>717172280
he got all the lame parts of klingon culture while inheriting all the most stringent parts of fed culture
it's like if your dad wanted to "represent" his irish heritage and only took the part about being catholic, not the drunkenness and terrorism

>>717168175 (OP)
>bullshit RNG locks you out of a unique item in 40 hour RPG
>you aren't allowed to load to a previous save

>character dies
>you can load to a previous save as many times you like

Unless it is ironman, it doesn't matter.

>>717168215
Kek. Did you not watch much star Trek? Wolf was unironicly the most honorable Klingon despite being raised amongst humans. Like most Klingons talk big about honor but did the scummiest shit all the time

>>717171804

>>717174965
true but what does that have to do with an unreal engine fps where you can throw a batleth at people/animals? I just wanna chuck batleth

>>717175162
Because throwing swords is dishonorable

>The schizo who's assblasted that the California Class defeated the Texas Class is here

>>717175294
no it isn't

Yup, the spammer is killing yet another thread.

>>717172280
He's basically a klingon weeaboo. He has a distorted sense of their honor and culture because he learned cherrypicked samples of it from secondhand sources, but is oblivious to the way klingons actually are.

>>717176880
He had a Klingon Wife, but to be fair she was more human.

>>717177170
Wrong, he had a half-Klingon baby mama

>>717174965
yeah and he got knocked out instantly every single time he got into actual combat.

>>717172280
Worf gets to fight in the way he always should have... after about 11 more seasons of trek.

>>717174781
the devout catholics are the only decent Irish people though, the rest are subhumans

>>717171804
I thought it was okay when I binged it. I think it would be a lot better if it were just Tendi, Rutherford and the senior officers. The best episodes are the ones where Boimler and Mariner get the least amount of screen time.

>Sisko and Kira have hand phasers as their backup weapon
>Worf gets his bat'leth
>it's inferior in every way to the hand phaser

>>717174781
>inheriting all the most stringent parts of fed culture
Worf is the way he is because when he was being raised on Earth he had no idea how strong he was in comparison to humans and accidentally killed a boy while playing sports. So while other humans of TNG era can be a bit uptight due to their culture, Worf's is just a product of childhood trauma.

>>717168175 (OP)
>Serves under Picard
>Talks about honor
Ah Worf, a hypocrite as always...

>>717172280
Worf gets better in TNG but his best story arcs are in DS9.

>>717177170
>>717177294
a half-klingon baby mama who hated dumb klingon shot and rejected their culture

>>717172563
>Instead of paying his way to victory, he exploited the game mechanics to win against D'ghor
The lobes on this guy know no bounds. Traded for a massive bargain without even a mention of latinum on either side.

>>717181562
>his time on Risa with Dax

>>717172563
>Ryan Gosling breakdown.png

>>717181562
Only because he had the setup in TNG

>>717168175 (OP)
>saves cumming

>>717172231
kwab

Data was the only good character in TNG

>>717168175 (OP)
>forced companion for this quest
>can't be dismissed at all until the quest is over
>never shuts up
>no voice volume slider either

Post your Ship waifu

>>717171579
>>717171804
>>717175062
Kill yourself reddit

>>717168175 (OP)
How do you even beat stalker games without savescumming? Picking off 5 to 10 guys all shooting at you at the same time seems like it'd be frustratingly difficult. I mean maybe I could handle 5 but more than that would be pushing it.

>>717187406
>hehe

>>717184690
I want to strangle whatever nigger opted to give him the emotion chip for the movies.

>>717168776
I agree, that sort of thing is often cope, but there should be limits in certain situations. Boxing, for example, is right to ban hammer blows to the back of the head and neck.

>>717168278
i will use stalker as an example
>about to hit compound of anything
>save outside after all the travel to get there
>you reload that save every time you die and work from there
there, it's not savescumming because you aren't saving after every kill, it can still be bruteforced with trial and error but you can also make different plans on where to enter from if it doesn't work out

>>717168175 (OP)
>MFW anybody tells me how to enjoy the single player game I paid for

>>717172280
>I'm watching TNG for the first time
I envy you

>using a guide

Where is the honor in trying to beat a rigged game? Where the honor in letting RNG determine your victories?

There is none. Save scumming is a consequence of bad design more than lack of skill.

While you're being "honorable" I'm chopping my way through my library, having fun, and enjoying the same outcomes you are, but in half the time, and less frustration.

>>717168620
right but jumping in front of a train is a bad idea, but savescumming is a good idea. It saves time, allows to experience different choices, see more of the game.

>>717172231
Fucking delete this.

>>717172280
Worf is unironically my favorite characters, some of the funniest moments in the show. Lwaxana, Guinan and Q are also favorites.

>>717168175 (OP)
It's OK if the game is unfair or cheating or doing retarded RNG.
Pic related.

>>717168175 (OP)
>You have no honor
game mechanic exists, game mechanic is used. I still hear tears from COD kiddies when you used martyr or the noob tube launcher.
>nooooooooo you cannot play how the game lets you
haha IDC

>>717190754
just like the federation

>>717190816
>Q
I really hate admitting how much I like Q because literally fucking everyone does, but god dammit he's just too fucking fun to ignore. John de Lancie is phenomenal.

>>717191021
insidious

>>717191326

Ah, but you can respect a Tendie. Because he plays for fun. And he follows a code, just like we do. But not the mobile gamer, not the Gachafag. No, they don't play for fun. They play because they're addicted that way, because they paypig to play. They have no honor. That's why they're better than us. The shill doesn't want you to know the truth, my young friend. But you deserve to know. The Gachafags are SMARTER, they're FASTER, and they're STRONGER than we are.

>>717191419

if you make a game where savescumming results in an advantage you're a retarded bantoid

>>717191576
>Janeway
>mid
what a gay made this

>>717191576
How can you not love Lwaxana?

>>717191576
lwaxana episodes are the only comedy ones I like

>>717191576
I like how Face of the Enemy is pretty much the only reason Troi isn't completely relegated to shit tier.

Is it true that Harry Kim's actor was hated so much by the rest of the crew that he never got to direct an episode?

>>717186804

>>717192116
the entire cast of voyager hated each other

>>717191576
Q is overrated as fuck, he should have been a one episode gimmick at best and didn't deserve to be a final boss.

>>717192116
I think it was the producers only who hated him.

>>717192213
>final boss
Holy retard, I don't like to throw around "media literacy" but you need some

>>717192116
He shit talked the show early on and they were planning on firing him, but then he got on People's magazines 100 most attractive people which greatly boosted his public profile and the show's, so instead they did passive aggressive moves like never promote his character past ensign or let him direct an episode.

>>717192116
Not sure about Harry Kim, but apparently Avery Brooks was a fucking nightmare to work with.

>>717192547
>William Shatner got that famous bitching out by Nichelle Nichols
>Patrick Stewart was told to lighten the fuck up because it's cheesy television not high theater
Classically Trained actors have a stick in their ass, who knew?

>>717192547
he's a weirdo complete theater dork irl so that doesn't surprise me

You should be able to name everything in this image

>>717191576
>Janeway mid tier
>Tucker low tier
awful taste Anon

>>717192928
Except the ones named Ralph or Ian

>>717191576
How is Quark not god tier you fag

>>717193442
>Guy called Ralph who insists it's "Wraith"
>No stick

>>717168175 (OP)
most games have no replay value. i might as well experience the game in the way that i want to the first time since it will be the only time. not like my choices really matter in the game anyway. i have paid my dues farming incredibly low drop rate items with conditional spawns in ffxi

>>717172280
>can be a badass once in a blue moon

I remember him getting shamed, beaten and humiliated a lot in early TNG.

>>717193784
Michael Dorn was so pissed about it he explicitly had it added to his DS9 contract that he wasn't going to play Worf as the punching bag of the show

>>717168278
>If I save the game before a big fight, die and then reload the save, is that save scumming?
Yes, because you're avoiding the consequences of losing the fight.

>>717168175 (OP)
Yeah I'll savescum sometimes if it saves me TIME.

>>717193945
Shit, I'd do that.

>>717174965
He didn't like it much in DS9 when Bashir pointed out that sitting cloaked, waiting to ambush people isn't very honorable.

>>717191576
I actually grew an appreciation for Troi and Wesley. I just wish with Wesley they didn't try to pull the whole "he's a genius and destined for greater things" crap. Seeing him grow from a kid into a young cadet and go through some troubles was great.

>>717194080
It's Worf who explains that "to Klingons, nothing is more honorable than victory" i.e. "it's fine as long as you win"

>>717194219
The reason a lot of people hated Wesley was because he was the self-insert character for the younger viewers which is why he was for some unknowable reason always involved in important matters rather than actual Bridge Crew or Field Experts.

Captain Picard is trapped in the Holodeck with the safety off and is being held at gunpoint by Noir Mobsters. Better get our newest Ensign on it!

>>717179681
>talking
>space background effects noise

such a comfy game.

>>717194419
>>717194219
The problem wasn't he was involved, it was that he was smarter than them and could figure out solutions, when the Enterprise was supposed to have the best of the best in Star Fleet.

>>717192736
Was there ever any reason not to use a game's mechanics against it? In Metal Gear Solid you can plug the controller into port 2 during a boss fight so the boss cannot mind read you anymore.

>>717191419
Them bringing back the old OST klingons and having them broken and old was and acting was so kino in ds9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NtlaKvRLRc

>>717194419
Not one of the better episodes. Episodes like The First Duty, Final Mission and The Game are some of my favourite Wesley episodes. I think they wrote him initially in a way that they didn't know how to resolve. They set the character up for failure but he had some good potential. It's clear by season 7 when they were wrapping up everyone's storyline that they had to just rush him out the door to his final destiny that was hyped up from the start and it was pretty lackluster.

>>717168175 (OP)
You lost to some barrels lol

I wish they did more with Dax and the Trills. It was clear that the relationship Sisko had the Dax's Kurzon, Jadzia, and Ezri was student, equal, and mentor, but they didn't really lean into that as much as they needed to. The handful of episodes they did about the Trills like honoring the Klingon Blood Oath or Sisko arguing with Dax when it was forcibly removed from Jadzia by another Trill were super cool.

>>717194265
Almost like the entire race of Klingons are hypocritical pieces of shit. I hate Kliggers so damn much.

>>717191937
Nah, my favorite episode with her is Dark Page.

>>717195181
I liked old man dax /spock advisor in s1 and 2 than quirky jadzia.

>>717195181
Did they ever explain what the spots were for?

>>717195441
Sex

>>717195441
oh god people like that shit?

DS9 is so much better written than TNG it's crazy, but it's brought down by some shitty actors with no chemistry they should have written out by season 2.

>>717195769
>down by some shitty actors with no chemistry
Who?

>>717195181
They fucked up hard with the Secret Extra Host every time they brought him back

Weyoun was a savescummer

worf is much better in ds9 bc he's not just a punching bag for [insert monster]

>>717195938
he was in star trek 6 too

>>717195798
women obviously

>>717191576
trip was based you double nigger

>>717196104
I dunno anon, I think you might just be sexist

>>717191576
Am I retarded or is Tom Paris missing

>>717195769
DS9 was more consistently good episode to episode, but TNG's highs far exceeded DS9'S highs.

>>717172231
The best part is the other barrel opens and it's obviously empty.

>>717168175 (OP)
There is no greater honor than victory.
You said so yourself, worf.

>>717178314
>He says posting a liar, rapist and bandit

>>717197659
pretty much this

>>717192547
Of course he was. He was a hardcore black supremacist.

>>717192358
thats some petty kike hollywood shit.

>>717168175 (OP)
>Dev uses RNG to cover up shallow mechanics
>Game and outcomes are no longer reliant on skill
>Devs act surprised that players savescum

TNG > DS9
DS9 has great writing but it's not really trek. Too much focus on interpersonal drama. When I watch TNG I'm amazed when they encounter the unknown, explore crazy anomalies, meet weird and godlike aliens. DS9 was lacking it so much that they invented the defiant so that they could go do space ship episodes, but I still don't feel any sense of wonder when I'm watching the DS9 crew explore the unknown like I do when I'm watching the TNG crew. DS9 suffers from.the common pitfall of sequels of being just a story IN the trek universe rather than being a trek story.
Also while I love the DS9 crew I fear Data alone is probably better than all of them.

>>717168175 (OP)
>spending time you could be playing games considering how strangers play their single player games
Mike Matei is a fucking loser btw

>>717192116
no, that's not true at all

To "direct an episode," an actor had to enroll in the Paramount director's program which meant hours of classes and study, and basically learning at the hip of more experienced Paramount directors who worked on Trek but also elsewhere on the lot.
It was a big commitment and not a lot of them stuck with it (Patrick Stewart only directed one or two, Picardo gave up because it was too much work, etc).

The guys who actually became successful TV directors outside of Trek, ironically enough, are mainly
>Tom Paris
>Torres
>Geordi
>Riker
Tom Paris and B'elanna's actors both ended up directing quite a bit of stuff for TV in particular