Why do you NEED a server browser instead of matchmaking?

So I can pick what I want to play instead of having the (((matchmaking))) choose for me.

Being against SBMM is the most uneducated brainrot take I have ever seen in video games.

>>717213673 (OP)
I don't see why both can't exist ala TF2. Matchmaking for people who just want to quickly get into a game and a server browser for people who give a bit more of a shit.

>>717213673 (OP)
>oh hey, this server has a low ping and decent pop, plus I know these guys
Done

>>717213673 (OP)
The choice between matchmaking and a server browser is a PC gamer's ultimate litmus test. If you pick the former, you're an honorary consoleshitter.

>>717213812
More like who you want to play with
>>717214258
This, the server itself plus the people on it are worth looking for, even as a rando a pre-established group of friends will probably be more inviting than a whole room of complete randos

>what's important about a server browser
- Being able to supply your own replacement for when the official one dies.
- Being able to have community hosted servers that can opt to do their own modifications within the realm of the game's own scripting.
- Actually making sure I have a fucking good ping to the server and seeing the ping, rather than the 3-bar system
- If the game ain't shit, then it's being able view the server list from outside of the game, with the game having command-line support to launch directly to that server.

i would like to play with the same players more than once

A lot of games do have server browsers alongside match making these days. Guess what? Like 5 people at a time use the server browser, and any game that is being run through the server browser is always some shitty meme game mode like X weapon only. People don’t want server browsers, they just hate that matchmaking is rigged these days. Don’t @ me.

>>717213673 (OP)
>you lot
Just call them goyim. You know you want to.

>>717214873
retard

>>717213673 (OP)
I want it because it makes you angry. It upsets you that I want the freedom of choice and not to just accept whatever you shit out on my plate.

Fuck you, code the server browser faggot.

>>717213673 (OP)
Alright bitch why DON'T you want to add a sever browser, huh?
No server browser, no buy
No dedicated servers, no buy
>implying I'm buying anyway

>>717215092
ain't nobody even thinking of you or your rage, anon. zoomer f2p games are bigger than any dedicated server game. and none of you people actually support new games that have servers (lol >>717215096) so it's no wonder it's a dead end.

Go to hell, it's none of your fucking business just add it and stay silent.

>>717213673 (OP)

>>717213673 (OP)
>Why do you NEED a server browser
The community you build with people by logging into your favorite server. The variety you get from wacky server rules and maps. The longevity of the game is increased because the players don't have to rely on the publisher to keep servers running. Those are just the few off the top of my head. Server browser is just objectively better.

I don't ever want to get matched up with a team of BRs, the browser makes it less likely.

Threads like these make me feel a little sad that I didn't get into multiplayer gaming in its heyday, and glad I dodged the bullet of getting into modern multiplayer.

>>717216147
>community
I honestly feel like this is what they're trying to kill. There's even a tendency of online games nowadays to not even have options to communicate with other players, like the new Skate also from EA doesn't have any options for communicating outside of emotes. No text chat, no voice chat, nothing. In a fucking skateboarding game.

>>717213673 (OP)
>quickmatch
>puts me in a >80ms ping game
>quickmatch
>puts me in a >80ms ping game
>quickmatch
>puts me in a >80ms ping game
>go to the server browser
>find a <50ms ping game instantly
I need a server browser because the people programming the matchmaking algorithms are retarded.

>>717213812
THIS!

I'm a streamer and I HATE skill based match making, how am I suppose to make cool videos of me dominating if I have to play against people at my own skill level?

>>717216585
It allows them to not have to worry about paying moderators or spending licensing/server resources on employing voice-to-text systems to make sure the kid isn't screaming the N word over and over. :3

>>717215876
>and none of you people actually support new games that have servers
I bought Valheim and Rust both. Kill yourself.

>>717213673 (OP)
I want to choose a server that has scrubs in them so I can have fun farming. I don't want to play tournament finals against adderall controller aim assist players every game.

>>717213673 (OP)
Why do you NEED to matchmake me? Wouldn't it be cheaper to let players make their own matches?

>>717217018
>how am I suppose to make cool videos of me dominating
acting like this isn't easy to bypass by making a new account lmfaooooo

>>717217901
>Wouldn't it be cheaper to let players make their own matches?
No
Because people will join matches they have no right being in and go 0-20 then quit forever

>>717218048
Then they should join the servers labeled Casual/Friendly.

>>717218205
Then cockheads like this guy join>>717217880

>>717213673 (OP)
DICE acting like this after 2042 had the worst matchmaking known to mankind made me lose all hope for BF6
>queue up
>get put into a match that ends in five seconds
>queue up
>get put into a match where your team gets spawncamped because all losing players leave
>queue up
>wait three minutes for a match, it's an empty server full of bots that doesn't fill
>queue up
you play the worst map in the game for the third time in a row

>>717213673 (OP)
so i can have a community of likeminded individuals to shoot the shit with. just like you wouldn't go hang out with coworkers you don't like, i don't want to play videogames with them either

>>717214151
>I don't see why both can't exist ala TF2.
Because Valve is an anomaly of common sense.

>game has no server browser
>keep getting put in matches with players well above my skill level
>have fun anyways due to the sheer chaos

>>717214151
TF2's matchmaking update raped community servers to near death.

>>717213673 (OP)
Because sometimes a brother just wants to fuck around in a low-gravity DM_MARIOKART2_v30 and camp AIDs for 2 hours while shittalking and making friends instead of playing the intended way.

>>717217018
>THIS!
go back trannitor

>>717213673 (OP)
Why do you NEED a job?

>>717217018
>I'm a streamer
and I hate you

Because matchmaking is soulless and completely misses the point of why people want to play these games in the first place. MP gaming is about meeting people and making friends, otherwise you may as well just play against bots.

>>717213673 (OP)
Playing on private servers feels like wandering into a stranger's home uninvited.

>>717217018
>I AM A FLASE FLAGGER, HEAR ME ROAR

>>717218294
then have a local admin who's on the scene do something about it

>>717213673 (OP)
Because I refuse to play in the same server as some hue monkey with 29,000 hours in the game.

>>717213812
Damn, algorithms are dajuz now. polschizos are devolving.

They really do just want to tear down everything you like. Don't give these kikes money.

>>717224280
okay so what's stopping (((matchmaking))) from putting you in a game with a hue monkey with 29,000 hours in the game?

>>717213959
>Being against SBMM is the most uneducated
I know this is bait, but if everyone is the same skill it's boring, a mix of people way better than you and way worse that you is the most fun.
the only people SBMM is good for is the literal worst bottom tier players so they dont have to get stomped and learn from their mistakes.

>>717214151
>Matchmaking for people who just want to quickly get into a game
Good joke, Valve's implementation of matchmaking ended up being slower than their original solution of quickplay.

>>717219326
the blame for this lies solely with community servers, not valve.
most players just want to play the default ruleset without cancer server addons.

>>717214151
too political

>>717224867
Too bad Valve made it so you can't find community servers even if they're fully vanilla through their garbage matchmaking

>>717213673 (OP)
Someone who has to ask this question clearly has never played a good game. As a result, they can't be capable of making one themselves.
Thus, I will never even touch whatever this dev has made. Simple as.

>>717213959
it's decent for shit like overwatch where 1 retard ruins the whole lobby but absolutely retarded in fucking deathmatch games or anything with 10+ people per team

>>717225521
>even if they're fully vanilla
then you just play on valve servers

>>717213673 (OP)
Matchmaking systems in modern multiplayer games often strip players of control, using hidden algorithms to influence engagement, skill perception, and even monetization. A server browser, by contrast, gives players transparency and choice, letting them pick the server, ruleset, ping, and community they want to be part of. Matchmaking manipulates with hidden MMRs and engagement-based algorithms designed to keep you playing and paying, not to give you a fair or fun match. A server browser doesn't pretend to know what's best for you, it simply lets you decide.

You can't trimp in TF2, trimping is impossible in TF2.

>>717219516
beyond based

>>717225743
Valve servers are not fully vanilla. In fact, they're actually worse than vanilla.
>Spectate and team switching disabled
>sprays disabled
>sv_pure enabled
>no Sourcemod stuff so no vote scramble, admins kicking players, etc (not technically vanilla I guess, but pretty standard in any Valve game at the time)
>player list at the top to see who's dead, what classes they are, and when spies are faking it
>5 minutes of waiting between every round
>CTF has no time limit instead of the default "team with more flags at time wins"
>no proper map cycle despite the "Welcome to TF2! Our map cycle is:" MOTD screen that hasn't been touched since about 2009, just vote for one of three maps of the same type and get funneled back into shitwater forever

i've played Apex Legends and seen the horrors of matchmaking. Essentially matchmaking is a rigged system that manipulates different lobbies to keep you engaged.

how do I know the devs don't implement some back end shit where I get match with retards and hackers and pay pigs get matched with decent players on better servers ?

>Why would you rather have the freedom to chose the servers you play in?
Women are so stupid.

>>717213959
I'm not against it, it's fine for ranked matches, why can't we just have both?

>>717214151
Or they could just fucking integrate the modern map search into quickplay for retards and have adhoc connection again?

>>717213959
These companies have dumped a lot of time and effort into creating and even patenting engagement based algorithms for matchmaking, along with tons of studies around this, but they would never ever put it in a game because they called their algorithm "skill based" therefore it's perfectly safe and pure:))))
>can I see my matchmaking score, or weighting, or how much I actually gain or lose a match, or what my "rank" in the system is or anything else?
>no :)))))))
Fuck off

A fucking CASUAL game like TF2 having skill based matchmaking is so fucking retarded, not only does it never ever properly work, but it also cucks you out of joining valve servers from the browser. It's so fucking retarded.

>>717227078
Well said. You raped the faggot you were replying to.

>>717216585
Lazy talentless hack devs. Greedy publishers.

So I can have an actual community. Matchmaking games have 0 actual community, people just queue with their friends against randoms that they forget about 5 minutes after the match ends.

>>717215951
This is all anyone needs to respond with
Spam this image as a reply to the Xitter post

>>717213673 (OP)
So I can play surf or join in a modded game.

>>717216585
If you have no culture, the party can dictate you anything and call it your culture. George Orwell warned you.

>>717213959
Lack of SBMM doesn't mean shit when you spend an entire night playing with and against the same group of friends and regulars who are all on the same page when it comes to intensity and server mood. It doesn't make any sense to sweat your ass off when the enemy team is full of your friends and half of them are going to be on your team in 30 minutes anyways. People who insisted on trying to do stuff like that would eventually get told to fuck off to a different server better suited for them. Skill disparities could be handled with a variety of tools like auto-balance, team shuffle, new maps, people simply getting better over time because the lack of pressure to win at all costs meant they could experiment and try different things risk-free.

t. 24/7 CUSTOM GLASSMAPS - DESTRUCTIBLE FLOORS/WALLS enjoyer

>>717217018
I've seen enough videos from my friends of COD streamers who VERY OBVIOUSLY abuse the matchmaking system to wind up in lobbies with paraplegic children that are also blind and asleep to know that the systems can be broken but only in a bad way.

>play with my friends in a stack
>I'm not great, most my friends are really good
>we get super aggro and alert enemy teams, our random teammate or two usually go heavily negative no matter what mode it is
>watch "EPIC NUKE COMPILATION" streamer faggots
>their lobbies are legitimately full of babies
>its not them being good, you can watch literal comp pros that have 20k+ hours across the franchise lose more often in lobbies and ranked
>the people in these streamer lobbies are actually fucking braindead and won't turn to shoot back seconds into a gunfight
>they don't hold lines, they don't use movement, they can't aim, they have no reactions to speak of
>they just line up and die until the faggot nukes them

It's truly pathetic, true random matchmaking would be better than this system thats just abusable in only the worst way

>>717213959
>SBMM in 1v1
Obviously fair, no one is denying that

>SBMM in team games
It ONLY works by ensuring your teammates are too miserably weak to keep up with you, or you are too weak to keep up with them against the overwhelming enemy it produces.
It creates misery and little else, I understand keeping true babies out of the lobbies with sentient beings but thats about it thats as far as iy should go.

>>717213673 (OP)
>You lot
>Needs to ask this in the first place.
Remove all modern woman from vidya

>>717217018
I'm sick of this false flag shit trying to demoralize this place. No it doesn't demoralize me, it just makes me hate trannies

>>717214873
>Don't @ me
Go back.

>>717224457
From the river to the sea.

>>717215951
God I miss it.
Surfing servers in TF2 to see all the wild shit going on was half the goddamn fun for me.
Discovering prop hunt servers, seeing the mario kart map, servers with modded extra abilities, servers with points you could spend on mid match bonuses, 24/7 servers for when I just wanted to actually play the game, and the various flavors of those depending on the groups you wanted to hang with.
I feel like an idiot, because I had the same reaction to the party finder back in WotLK.
The convenience blinded me to what I was losing, and I only realized it way later when it became the norm and it was far too late to go back easily.

>join community server
>get stomped by some dude
>keep coming back to the same server
>see the same dude now and then
>get familiar with his habits
>start to surprise him, get some kills on him
>experience the high of adapting and overcoming a more skilled opponent

>join matchmaking
>get stomped by some dude
>never ever see him again

>>717213673 (OP)
For me, I am a wacky gamer.

>>717230120
>plays 2fort 24/7 server
Yup that's me.

>>717213673 (OP)
because 20v20 24/7 cs_office is the most fun I've ever had in multiplayer shooters
I have absolutely no interest in playing multiplayer games seriously

>>717216585
>>717217546
>>717228346
shoulda listened to moneystolen bros and stopped stealing money for legal speech online

>>717213673 (OP)
I fucking hate how even co-op games like ready or not didn't have any server browser and just forces you to waste time waiting for a server.

>>717227078
I guarantee it works something like this
>rigged win
>rigged loss
>rigged loss
>fair game
and repeat

>>717231410
You will be put against stronger opponents whenever you win, and on stronger teams when you lose. All for that target metric of a 50:50 win ratio

>>717214151
you fucking vantablack gorilla nigger retard
meet your match ruined that game by siphoning all traffic from the server browser, all the custom modes and maps forgotten because the average gamer has shown themselves to ALWAYS take the path of least resistance.
>it's your fault
No. Every Valve game with matchmaking, CS, Dota, even L4D suffers from the majority being lazy niggers that would rather mindlessly requeue over and over again never exploring anything outside of valve's rules/maps
at one point you just wonder why should people bother making custom servers when the majority are zombies mindlessly grinding the same ranked/campaigns/maps all with the same predictable gameplay over and over again
how many souls are doomed in dust2/2fort/no mercy purgatory playing the exact same match for eternity? never knowing about all the vast experiences possible through source modding?

>>717232742
So why do you want to play with people who aren't willing to use a server browser?

i miss minigame servers

>why do want freedom of choice?
>why do you want to be able to save your favorite server?
>having a place to meet with your friends is commie talk
this scares the modern day publisher

>>717233424
damn look at that
an entire list of servers and not one match I would join

>>717213959
>SBMM
You mean EBMM, skill based matchmaking fell out of favour with big developers ages ago because it didn't sell enough microtransactions

>>717231410
tl;dr basically, yeah. Engagement based matchmaking (and not 'skill based matchmaking.' the terminology is important.) is essentially an artificial means of keeping your win:loss rate in such a state that you:
>a) Don't want to STOP playing outright.
>b) are motivated to spend money on microtransactions.
Video game companies literally hired the same industrial psychologists who optimized casinos for maximum money sucking to make EBMM, btw,

>>717215951
This will never happen again because they need ranked and shit like that.

>>717233653
well they need to work on it because I stopped playing the new CoD on launch week because after a string of wins with me on the top of the lobby I was perma-stuck in uber sweat MLG lobbies that I couldn’t compete in so after a day of being dead weight to my teams I uninstalled and unsubbed from game pass

If I'm better than the average player in a game I should usually win. If I wanted skill based matchmaking I would play competitive.

>>717213673 (OP)
Smaller communities where you know people?

>>717233653
>>717233860
I really like this new title. Engagement Based MM is the perfect name for this cringe shit.

>>717230120
this
they took away your ability to tailor your own experience because normalfags cant press more than 2 buttons to get into a game before losing focus, uninstalling, and refunding

>>717234587
>tailor your own experience
for most people it's just a chore of finding an almost-max-player-count server they can join and doesn't have retarded rules thoughbeit

>>717234414
It's not even new. Look at the pic I posted - they literally called it "Engagement Optimized Matchmaking (EOMM)." I just had it wrong in my post.

Either way it's bullshit and part of the reason I've been playing tf2 for the last ten years. I refuse to engage with it.

>>717234778
>part of the reason I've been playing tf2 for the last ten years.
that and the incredible autism I'd assume

pubstomping is fun
simple as

>>717234683
>clicking buttons is a chore
you fucking kids these days..

>>717234985
>click button
>look through page
>full servers
>scroll
>full servers
>scroll
>furry RP only!
>scroll
>empty servers
>scroll
>play something else

>>717234683
Except the server browsers used to have filters, so it wasn't hard at all.

>want more than x number of players in the server
>want below x ping to the server
>want to play x map
>search

Voila you get a list of servers specifically to your liking, click the one with the least amount of bullshit in the title to avoid the 'retarded rules' you say its hard to avoid.

>>717235252
>just do all this instead of clicking a play button
do you get it yet?

>>717234865
It's not even autism it's just that TF2 genuinely hasn't been topped in terms of design, fun, chaos, and replayability. It's the same reason why Doom has been so enduring; a healthy modding scene creates and fosters a loving community that can keep going for decades. Dedicated servers are the big thing, like everyone else here has been harping on about: It means you don't HAVE to settle for whatever 'the man' says you should play, and can tailor your experience to whatever the fuck you want. Want ultra-sweatlord no random crits no damage spread? Want to micspam and spray anime porn? Want to play on weird custom maps or with crazy custom gamemodes? Just want to 24/7 2fort for hours on end? Your call.

Modern multiplayer games by contrast basically say, "You VILL play whatever map and game mode we tell you, by OUR rules." Dedicated servers are important for the reason that it puts control in the players' hands to dictate their own personalized game experience. EOMM puts control in the company's hands to create a single, inoffensive, bland experience.

Matchmaking queues appeared overnight. I went down the steam list and I started pulling some old videogames. Don't tell me you don't recognize this baby out there...filtering BR's with a country server to choose. Now you got the entire R&D Department burning through cash...claiming it's related to...adding features already featured in your previous army games? What are you building for it now, characters to ship?


I want server browsers every year for the rest of my life.

>>717213673 (OP)
Matchmaking pros:
>find matches fast for the first few years
>players dont need to tweak with settings to find the best and optimized lagless lobbies, the game does all of the work for you in the background

Matchmaking cons:
only lasts a few years until the game isn't popular anymore (after a while when it stops being fast people stop searching and the game dies way earlier than it should)
>cant do custom lobbies because the game studio is afraid of being sued
>censored to hell because the game studio is afraid of being sued
>have to play in a very specific way because the game studio doesnt expand on whats already there (this gets boring very fast and the game dies faster than it would with server browsers)

Server browser pros:
>uncensored, players can host whatever kind of lobbies they want
>can use chat, because the server host can easily moderate it themselves
>can have custom lobbies which gives the game an added replay value, making the game last a lot longer
>adds a sense of community keeping people around much longer

Server browser cons:

>Dev asks for feedback
>Get treated like they're being a condescending asshole
every time

>>717235294
>just click play and get thrown into a game mode you don't want to play on a map you don't enjoy playing, that will be way more fun than click three checkboxes in the server filter to play exactly what you want

Are you mentally retarded?

>>717235294
so you don't actually care what map you play, how your connection is, or how full the server is
got it.

>>717235398
brother if you're still playing TF2 in 2025 it's undoubtedly autism

>>717235294
>put in some initial effort to find server you mesh with
>have fun
>engage with gay psychology-driven modern matchmaking hamster wheel
>don't have fun

>>717235507
cant beat the classics
what future classics have been made in the last 10 years? let alone future classics that will actually be playable because muh server DRM went down

>>717235139
>walk 4 miles to the library
>look through shelves
>no tolkein
>look through shelves
>no tolkein
>look through shelves
>celeb autobiography
>look through shelves
>shelf empty
>look through shelves
>walk 4 miles back home with a leaflet about menopause and a mcdonalds napkin

>>717235490
Most matchmaking takes into account ping and only truly shitty matchmaking thrusts you into unpopulated servers. Most people don't give a shit in general no.

>>717235486
>you don't want to play on a map you don't enjoy playing
Maps rotate and usually have voting, oh well you play one match on a map you don't like (or back out, or the matchmaker could have preset lists etc)

>>717235574
not everyone is looking for a community to join when they play Halodutyfield man, most people are playing with friends already.

>>717234081
Who is they?

>>717213673 (OP)
Matchmaking is for fags and could only work after TND is enacted

>>717213673 (OP)
To cultivate communities

>>717235423
>matchmaking gives you the illusion of progress which, alongside fomo and every other trick in the book, increases engagement, thus revenue
this is pretty much why you'll never see lobbies ever again

>>717235652
I don't know, I never liked TF2 to begin with so you're gonna have to find someone else to give you recs. I'm an autist that played MWO for 10 years because most FPS peaked ages ago so I mean whatever. I just play other games.

>>717235765
>I've never played on a dedicated server in my life

We know.

Go play fortnite, trash.

>>717235710
>join matchmaking
>wait for whatever indeterminate amount of time for matchmaking to find enough people
>get to vote on a couple of maps at best, get thrown into a random game in progress on a map you don't like at worst
>if you don't like the map pool you're allowed to vote on, you leave
>if you don't like the map that actually won the vote, you leave
>restart at step one and hope you don't get fucked again
>if you leave too many matches you get penalized and you're banned from joining matchmaking
Wow thanks I could have just 'scrolled and filtered' a server list but now I'm fucked.

>>717235974
never played fortnite. I've played a bunch of dedicated servers actually. My first big FPS I truly dived into was RTCW and Enemy Territory after, with a lot of MoH not long after. I'm plenty familiar. I just don't give a fuck.

>>717235765
How do you think most people MAKE friends on the internet in the first place, jackass? It certainly isn't through fucking matchmaking, that's for sure. Unless your discord kittens just grew out of the mildew.

>>717235765
Yeah, let's not get into the damage that discord and party chat have done to multiplayer video games. That's related and a major issue on its own.

>>717236087
So much of this is your own fault for having such heavy autism you can't stand to play on a map you don't like.

>having to ask why
grim

It allows players choice on what they want to play
>Vanilla
>Sweat fest
>Casual
>Wacky
etc.
Putting everyone in a MM queue that determines off of "skill" (Which they don't do properly on purpose for the skinner box economy and constant engagement) just frustrates people more than it matches them with people of similar interests.

>>717235656
Reading sucks these days.

>>717236109
You know you can make real life friends too, right? Anyways, I made a lot of friends to play video games with on /v/ and /vg/, and am still friends with them for the past decade. So I'd say by just going to places. You could find a friend to play a game with right now in this very thread.

the answer is easy, just have both. Let me server browse if i want specifics, or if im lazy and dont care what i play let me matchmake. Everyones happy

>>717236174
TeamSpeak released in 2001 when games didn't have voice chat
What damage, retard?

>>717236349
Good idea in theory, bad in practice. See: Team Fortress 2.

>>717236190
Are you sure it it isn't your fault that you and your ilk are too retarded to use a server browser so we can all play the maps and gamemodes we want?

>>717236429
I havent played tf2 since the orange box released, how is it bad?

>>717236457
I don't care if there's a server browser or not anon, I'm just telling you that most people don't want to use them and why. The simplest solution is having both.

>>717213673 (OP)
24/7 single map servers are the best.

>>717235656
For every fps game that has a dude with a weapon on the cover, there is a self help book with a smiling bint on the cover.

>>717236528
>I'm just telling you that most people don't want to use them and why.
Are you fucking blind? The entire thread is full of people who WANT server browsers and their reasoning. I haven't seen a single person say they genuinely prefer EOMM, other than people who come across as corporate stooges.

Server browsers were the norm for over two decades of multiplayer gaming. No one was intimidated or 'gatekept' from multiplayer gaming by having to pick a server from a list to play on. I guarantee i f you went up to any player of a modern multiplayer title and asked, "Would you rather just play whatever map and gamemode you like instead of a nebulous queue?" They'd say, "Yeah!"

I think you're an industry plant. There are no good arguments for EOMM, and you've made a bunch of shit ones.

>>717236503
So, the main thing that is bad about the matchmaking system is that it only populates Valve servers, effectively choking natural traffic to community servers.
But it is also the case of the fucking thing doesn't work. It "fills" slots on a team based on people in the queue, but it doesn't automatically get you to join the match, so sometimes you can go entire matches were a player slot just says "looking for player..." instead of filling it in with whoever. Then comes the fact that most of the games are now stomp fests because of the previously mentioned issue and there is no team scrambling, just a mysterious auto balance system that sometimes kicks in and sometimes doesn't. The biggest kick in the teeth is the way the server changes maps. Instead of before where you had x amount of time on a map until the players vote to change it, you only get two rounds of a map (If that, CTF is one round) and then put into a vote screen where you can't play the game. You get a choice of three (3) maps from the same game mode. It makes the matches stop and start all the time and even when you get back into the match, half the server has left because it is legitimately quicker to requeue, leaving half the player slots to be filled by "looking for player...".

It's a whole shit show in of itself. It has gotten better, but it still is not good. You can argue this is implementation being bad and that people can still play comm servers, but most people are lazy and just want to jump into a match quickly, which the fucking MM doesn't even do right. This isn't getting into the problem of map bloat splitting the playerbase and death of game modes like Payload race because of how little people play it on official servers.

>>717213959
There's nothing wrong with it inherently. Some games would benefit with a lobby system though.

>>717236723
>The entire thread is full of people who WANT server browsers and their reasoning.
how old are you? How many IPs are in this thread? How many people have already preordered Battlefield 6? I'm telling you flatout most people, the silent majority, don't give a shit. Most people don't hate maps so much they refuse to ever play them. Most people don't want to go find a community in their MP FPS, they want to fucking shoot people and have fun. So many people just don't give a fuck about the things you do or value what you do.

>>717213673 (OP)
so I can browse servers

>>717236919
Oh yeah and I gotta expand the point further about "looking for player..." because it is still running on a skill based system instead of choosing random people from the queue for that game mode or map. This in turn means that it will try and find a player who is queuing for those game modes and maps WITH THE RIGHT SKILL LEVEL FIRST instead of just filling that slot. Due to the sheer skill level divide of TF2 from veterans to new F2P's, it means that it takes forever to find someone before it gives up and fills the slot. By then, half the server left because it is a stomp.

>>717235139
>open browser
>click filter
>no full
>no empty
>no password
>type in the maps orkeywords you don't want
>apply
>refresh

>>717217018
>i'm a streamer
kill yourself please

>>717213673 (OP)
>Server browser
>Can join any number of servers ranging from generic to hyper niche RP servers and shit
>actually moderated so cheating isn't a thing, cheaters get kicked ASAP
>(((matchmaking)))
>Literally forced to lose matches if I am on a winning streak
>Treated as a psychology experiment to rip more MTXbux out of me

>>717234112
Did you notice the way all the guys on the team beating your ass all had expensive cosmetics? That's EBMM in action

>>717237267
>click matchmaking
>hit bong
>by the time I'm done coughing I am playing the game
simple as

>>717237430
Oh yeah, he is also another thing with MM that sucks: Cheaters.
On a server, there is usually an admin or moderator (or some sort of community solution) looking into cheaters and blocking them. You can argue that they usually love their false positives, which can be true, but it's better than false negatives which a lot of developers seem to run off of thinking their kernel level anti-cheats are perfect and can't be bypassed.

>>717237516
and 9/10 the game you got sucked ass and nobody was at their appropriate skill level and nobody is talking because they don't want to get reported by gay faggots and have their money stolen

>>717237516
Why does punching a british person make you cough?

>>717215876
>ain't nobody even thinking of you or your rage, anon
We get monthly hitpieces about 'the chuds' performing economic terrorism by not buying 10 copies of every AAA game to launch.
They are shit scared of complete internet nobodies showing zero interest in their games.

>>717237612
SBMM isn't the only form of matchmaking nor is it anything I'm interested in defending, nor is EOMM.

>>717237651
I'm allergic to pakistanis

>>717213673 (OP)
I liked being able to form a community of regulars who played together on the same server. It has been completely lost with the switch to automated matchmaking.

>games has retarded shit
>Server rules say "No retarded shit"
>game now good
>you retarded? Go to the retarded server and be happy

But how will the shareholders make money if the game can't sell any battlepasses to the players who spend all their time on 24/7 supermario_2 gungame or gooner skins when porn sprays are covering all the walls?

>>717235423
>>uncensored, players can host whatever kind of lobbies they want
but that would encourage the spread of fascism

>>717228625
You see this shit with War Thunder 'content creators'.
Yep they totally don't get special matchmaking filters at all, no way!
I join a match and enemies can see me through walls, meanwhile 'streamers' fight lobbies of enemies who can't see them past 100 meters.

>>717238243
GIT GUD

>>717232865
Before Casual, Quickplay existed as an alternative. It was essentially a dumbed down version of the server browser that listed Valve servers, but also sent people to community servers if they wanted. That's how players would typically find and learn about them. While most playtime for the average player was through QP, those that wanted something different or wanted a challenge would move on to server browsers where they'd find their niche. And if they didn't like them, they had the option to turn off community servers in their QP search. But Casual ignores them completely, meaning many players never learn about them or bother to try them to begin with. Someone already posted the image I wanted here, which shows how community servers helped players find their own communities/groups to play in. As opposed to modern SBMM/EOMM that shoves everyone into a blender.

>>717238289
Sure, give me infinite ingame currency and easier lobbies for shilling your game then.

>>717213673 (OP)
would you be able to beat this fucker in a 1v1?

>>717213959
Some casuals dislike it because it's inherently competitive and puts you on a treadmill to becoming a sweat

>>717213673 (OP)
woke
shit
>vehicles still have 3D view
> vehicles have infinite ammo
> bfv spotting
>slide
>jumping doesn't decrease your accuracy
>everyone can revive
>no suppression
>no bloom
>crossplay with controller aimbot
>every class can use every weapon
Garbage

>>717235423
>adds a sense of community keeping people around much longer
If people are allowed to communicate with each other for prolonged periods of time, it could lead to antisemitism. That's not okay.

>>717238348
Quickplay is matchmaking.

>>717238728
That worked with the server browser.

>>717238874
Any good matchmaking does.

>>717238728
Quickplay back in the day just shoved everyone randomly into a server based on ping.
You'd find level 1 newbs up against level 900 Prestige 20 guys who get a 30-1 KD on a bad day.

>>717238942
Such as..?

>>717238971
That's a good thing

>>717213673 (OP)
>I'm going to talk about thing we're doing
>btw I don't understand what we're doing or why
Sounds like a winning recipe.

This thread is wild, a shill posted it then bots replied some really dogshit and obvious countertakes as to why server browsers suck lmao.

Did this make anyone think oh actually SBMM doesn't suck total fucking ass I love sbmm?

>>717213673 (OP)
>why do you want to play with the same people, why would you do that?
>women suddenly don't understand "community" when it's about video games
Hilarious. When the money is threatened, they suddenly turn stupid.

>>717239995
women's experience with game communities is mostly hostile, so it makes sense that they would lean towards playing with randos all the time rather than every server having some inevitable random incel guy reeing at them all the time.
I'm not saying I agree, but it makes some sense they would come to this conclusion.

>>717239760
SBMM should be an option for people who don't want to find a server to stick with, but it's generally gay.

>>717239995
does it get tiring to see everything as a war between the sexes all the time or what

>>717215951
>red orchestra 2
>play on same server for years
>has the same roleplaying german guy play commander every game giving orders in english and german back to back
take me back...

>>717234081
the cs1.6 and css servers I played on 4324523 years ago all had websites with full stats and ranking.

you could also type in game like /top15 or /me to see your stats

>>717213959
I used to play against sweats. Like competitive gamers in the competitive server community. Guess who can now outfrag 95% of the populace because of learning my skills from the right environment and people?

>>717240193
>reeing at them all the time
if only we could invent a technology for that. with all the other tech we have around
also who cares what "women" want. go play DBD and your fucking sim dating shit

>>717240937
This also factors in my sub par reaction speeds now since peaking, placement, and general enemy awareness never disappears. People who watch pros don't understand or behave like pros, they will get into a game and be matched against scrubs.
When you get punished by pros and start to match them by thinking like them, that's when you get better

>>717213959
games are not a sport

>>717239514
It absolutely was a good thing because it made things fair by randomness.
Now it's enforced unfun fairness.

>>717213673 (OP)
I like the novel concept of banning a cheater instantly and moving on. RTV is pretty good too.

>>717239760
Welcome to nu-/v/
It's just corporate shills and bots spamming up the site to create inorganic consensus.
And the best part? They think we can't notice it.

>>717241549
listen goy--err guy we need to install a rootkit on your computer so we can fight hackers!

>>717224457
>Damn, algorithms are dajuz now.
always were, moshe.

>>717215951
Never been rebuked.

>>717213673 (OP)
Matchmaking and rigid publisher-hosted servers are a terrible system for socialization, and it has been one of the most crippling things to any game's long term appeal.
Server browsers that are run by players (and have active player admins) are the equivalent of a corner bar where patrons can regularly frequent. It becomes a social spot where everybody knows your name.
Good bars with reasonable admins become popular. Bad bars with powertripping or absent admins lose players. Someone present to police the server regularly is a vastly more efficient means of taking care of cheaters than even the most invasive anti-cheats. The quality of the servers organically sort themselves over time, with good servers being regularly populated, bad servers empty.

>>717213673 (OP)
She should be fired. If she needs to ask this question then she definitely has the wrong job.

>>717223927
i rember the good ol ace of spades days

>>717237569
False positives aren't even that bad anyway, whenever I've gotten kicked for "Reason: cheating" it always feels like a compliment

>>717240193
Would they not be more likely to find "toxic" people in random coordination instead of finding a strictly no-toxicity server, no?

>>717219516
why is slowpoke oogling his own arse?

>>717213673 (OP)
I don't want to play with 70 IQ retards.

>>717243326
I do. I just want them on the other team.

>>717213673 (OP)
Because matchmaking stops functioning as soon as a game's population dips below a certain point, setting off a cascade that kills it for good.

>newgens find this too intimidating to use

>>717244104
it's been completely broken lately though with fake servers showing wrong info

Would it be a "bad idea" to get this game?

I'm kinda craving a game like this, but I haven't been on the Call of Battlefield shit since college. I'm "approaching middle age" now. Would I just get my ass ripped?

I don't know if I can hang with the kids.

>>717213673 (OP)
I want my server where saying nigger and drinking beer every five minutes is mandatory.

>>717213812
fpbp

why no proximity chat tho

>>717213673 (OP)
Better question, why do they NEED matchmaking exclusively?

>>717244187
multiplayer games like this are best bought and played close to release day
the matchmaking works best when there's a huge pool of players to draw from and despite it's sins, the algorithm will likely give you fun lobbies to play in.
so if you're interested it is best to just roll the dice and play it rather then wait, it seems pretty hard to fuck up a game with this formula

>>717213673 (OP)
server based hosting is better because servers can develop communities, and also run custom rulesets and map rotations. matchmaking basically kills that shit outright, forcing you to play mostly with completely random people and under the rules that the devs set.

>>717244187
>>717244324
Be an adult, don't buy with FOMO in mind. Wait at least a week or two for the inevitable dealbreaking bullshit to come to light

>>717244187
There's an open beta this weekend + next weekend. Just try it out and see for yourself.

>>717244187
Just wait to see how it is when it releases.

>>717244259
It'd be nice just to be able to tell our tanks to either get a move on or STOP moving so I can repair their asses.

>>717244267
gives devs tighter control over the playerbase. custom servers for example can usually be modded, and that includes stuff like ingame cosmetics. which is a problem for the devs because a huge portion of revenue from online shooters nowadays is licensed skin markets. if people can mod the game to use cosmetics and they don't go through the devs first that effects their bottom line.

>>717244419
a week or two is probably fine, but if you wait too long the experience won't be as enjoyable. Although this is multiplied in my circumstances since I live in OCE region and we have a low population to pull from

>>717244267
>why do they NEED matchmaking exclusively?
More than a billion dollars has been poured into figuring out the best way to keep player retention. The result of all those studies is SBMM and similar systems. Even if the system is intentionally fucking you over, humans convince themselves that they can overcome it and that they "just need to play one more", "just need better teammates", etc. etc.

Another huge aspect of it is that if you have 100% of your playerbase in the same system, it drastically reduces queues, and the time from when you hit "play" to the time you are in a game, makes our monkey brains say "wow, this game is popular, it is so good". If we have the opposite experience where queues take too long, then we get a "wow, this game is dead, it must be bad" experience instead and developers are DEATHLY afraid of that, because that's when people start quitting the game.

>>717244267
Some bitches will cry if the option of a server browser causes their matchmaking pool to shrink

>>717213673 (OP)
Just include both, slap whatever "unofficial gameplay experience!" disclaimer you need when a player clicks the server browser button and just let it be an option. It's very low cost as the community actually host the servers.
But I get it, a server browser and a thriving community turns a game functionally immortal. I've come to understand this is le bad actually, as devs/publishers want to be able to shut it down + delist it to force people to the sequel/remaster whenever they want.

>>717213959
Based. These niggers want to go 30/2/1 in lobbies and smurf. 50% win rate is ideal and means it's working.

>>717215951
third one was non existent

>>717240937
Not you LMAO gottem

>>717219326
Couldn't you just have the community server be passworded with the password in the server title?

>>717213812
oyyyy veyyy anti-semite! take those words back you bigot!
>>717213959
yeees goy. accept the rigged matches with stacked odds and the forced 50/50. we'll even boost your winrate temporarily if you buy a skin or two

>>717238463
bad goy. you're supposed to compete and climb the ladder, not have fun!

>>717244743
>it drastically reduces queues
except there are no queues with community servers you fucktard. you filter out full servers and join instantly
you shills don't even know how to shill your garbage

>no server browsers so no 24/7 subway 10000 tickets type servers

>>717215951
>play for so long on a server and start dominating everyone
>end up banned for 'cheating'
Bittersweet...

>>717250004
there kind of is though. A server may have a 10 player limit per team for example but allow 24 plays in the server, so there's 4 people spectating waiting for a game.

This leads to an issue where a new server could start to populate, but it's stuck on 3-4 players and potential new players don't want to join such a low populated game.

Dedicated servers do have many downsides as well

Have you enabled secure boot, /v/?

>>717248850
Bullshit, I met them all the time with Quake/Unreal Tournament Deathmatch.

>>717213673 (OP)
matchmaking is for trannies and zoomies

>>717216865
just move out of your favela bro

>>717213959
Battlefield 6 won't have SBMM. Also Battlefield always calculated your skill rating ever since like Bad Company or even before I believe. This is from BF4. Battlefield calculates your skill rating for team balancer after a lobby is formed quickly.

>>717233860
I never understood this. As soon as I win a single game I immediately get absolutely trashed on by sweats for the rest of my games. I have to leave the game for a few weeks, play two matches and then get absolutely stomped on by sweats. Then I uninstall because fuck this. They say that this is somehow made to keep players playing but it makes me stop playing. On tf2 I can pick a stupid server and just be there. Fuck mm.

>>717213673 (OP)
So I can choose what I play instead of the game choosing for me based on engagement optimising computer shit

>>717238728
No it's not.

Match making has no admins present allowing hackers to run rampant and retards to bait other retards in chat without consequence. Honestly no server browser/user servers is a no buy for me. Another BF skipped.

>>717213673 (OP)
Because I want choice, rather than being a cog in their algo bullshit.

>>717250603
sounds like you've hit the right skill level for your rating. just get good and the matches will become easier stupid goy

protip: pay your little cousin to play on your account to trick the matchmaking

>>717250860
matchmaking also kills custom maps and gamemodes to consolidate everything on 1 queue

>>717251027
we dont hate modern vidya companies enough, it seems

>>717213673 (OP)
Because you're not just playing against faceless enemies every game and there are people to kick hackers.

>>717234081
This WILL happen again in 10 or 20 years, when kids grow up and naturally decide previous generation sucked. Zoomer vidya trends will get relentlessly bullied and we will have the renaissance. We just have to live long enough to see it.

>>717213673 (OP)
>Why do you NEED a server browser instead of matchmaking?
To play with white people in my region on ping locked servers and not be matched with low ELO shitters I have to carry.
/thread

With no server browser the game will be dead outside the US/EU in just a few months.

>>717233424
>>717233594
it's not even sorted and 1666 servers you idiot

>>717251168
It can also stifle maps/game modes if they aren't popular since matchmaking prioritizes fuller servers on more popular game modes.
I miss payload race...

>>717251249
>he thinks he's not one of the low elo shitters himself
lol. lmao even

Servers are like forums in 2004. Everyone should be able to have their own that they run with an iron fist. If me and my friends want to ban noobs and ban anyone who cries about it, that's our right.

>>717251326
>thinks people on an anonymous site have to prove anything to you
you don't understand how 4chan works, zoomie
we could be both dead tomorrow and nobody would notice nor give a fuck here

REMEMBER WHAT THEY TOOK FROM YOU

>>717243032
>ace of spades
I can still hear the shovel sfx.

>>717213673 (OP)
Servers are superior it’s just that simple allows for culture to be created

>>717251408
too busy image, too autistic, too overloaded with irrelevant details, too repetitive
did not read

>>717213959
Matchmaking only works if there’s a system in place that you can follow like MMR it works for competive games like dota or other 5v5 games it doesn’t belong in 64+ players games

>>717251469
>brain rotten zoomer cannot pay attention for more than 10 secs
lmao kys

>>717250603
Its programmed in, the point is to take advantage of gambler mentality by giving you a taste of winning and then stringing you along.

>>717251469
Go back to sewing dresses faggot

>>717251490
The toxicity is matchmaking comes from not being able to leave shit games (without incurring a penalty). When you're stuck in a poorly balanced game for 30 minutes a player is bound to get "toxic".

when they say "toxicity" what they mean is "free speech"

>>717238640
>vehicles have infinite ammo
Wrong. Vehicle attrition is back and it's based.
> bfv spotting
>slide
Good
>jumping doesn't decrease your accuracy
It does. But a sub 0.5KD shitter like you won't even notice massive scope sway while you are jumping.
>everyone can revive
Good.
>no suppression
Good.
>no bloom
Wrong.
>crossplay with controller aimbot
CoD ''''pros''''' were getting shit on by mid tier BF players in the event. We are good.
>every class can use every weapon
Better than BF4 system.

>>717213673 (OP)
I can't add anything that hasn't already been said.
>sense of community - the same people playing on the same server
>servers dedicated to specific maps / playstyles so you get to play exactly what you feel like in the moment
Take me back.

>>717251594
the wacky modded player and the stoner who only knows one map is never going to have fun playing the default game no matter how balanced the matchmaking is

Imagine asking that in a post-SKG world

Ask it again in a decade or two when the game you paid for literally doesn't work anymore

>>717244267
>exclusively
Set up your own portal server. Persistent servers are also free with portal unlike rentals.

>>717251507 >>717251552
>projecting this hard on some oldfag who watched all of DS9
name 10 characters without looking them up

>>717223927
I still talk to some of the people from my old TF2 server. I remember when the demoman/Soldier update happened, the few of us with soundboards set them up the play The Lonely Island "Cool Guys Don't Look At Explosions" so we could play it in the all soldier/demo matches.And people really did distinguish themselves with specific characters. This one girl was probably the best Heavy I'd ever seen. Always seemed hyper aware of what was going on around her. It was hell and a half trying to kill her even without a medic. Or another guy who was always pyro, but was amazing at ambushes. He was so good at figuring out how to get to really unexpected areas, like places you'd think onl a rocket jump could get you to.
I miss those days.

>>717251527
meme image

>>717213959
Being for match making is simply a braindead zoomoid take.

when it comes to BF games? because these games have terrible anti cheat, and you basically need a dedicated janny to make the server playable. there's a reason no one plays official servers in BF4.

>>717251665
It's funny that they are framing this as a "You guys don't want this... right?" when not even a month ago they put out a statement saying "We can't do it, it is impossible now" in response to SKG.

LOL!

>>717237927
>n00b t00b disabled
my server my rules biatch

>>717213959
>SBMM
Vidya companies have been employing psychologists for a long time, and EOMM (engagement-optimized matchmaking) reigns supreme now. It exists to push the right buttons to keep you playing for as long as possible.
If you're average/good, you will be used as a slave to carry low skill earners so they don't quit after getting stomped all the time and keep buying cosmetics and other shit, and you will be kept in the game until matchmaking finally throws you a bone and gives you your fix of a "good" match.
The burden of proof is on the companies to show that their matchmaking is as fair as they claim, and nothing short of full disclosure of their algorithms can put this discussion to rest.
Of course, with all these patented matchmaking algorithms, this will never happen, so it's safe to assume foul play, considering the myriad of empirical evidence.

>>717251168
They killed those on purpose so they can do special modes and increase player numbers through time gating them

>>717213812
If I play at 2am in Australia, I don't want to matchmake with Chinese, or Filopino servers, just because they're filling up quickly.

I'll gladly wait an extra 1 or 2 mins if I need to get an Oceania server.

>>717217546
>to make sure the kid isn't screaming the N word over and over.
Why would I not want that?

>>717213812
I don't understand why having a server browser triggers retard niggers so much. It's never been a one or the other situation, you can just go ahead and select a game mode/playlist and press quickplay like you normally would all you want, what's the problem with everyone else having server options?

>>717213673 (OP)
So I can oubstomp randoms instead of being forced to play against people who are better than me

>>717251974
Because they need you to carry them
see
>>717251983

After all this internet censorship I think its a good time to start thinking about setting up servers. Not even for games but rather any content really. Especially for any jap creation as they are very prone to nuke themselves to be monetizeable again.

>>717251974
>I don't understand why having a server browser triggers retard niggers so much
Server browsers are too complex for the average console nigger

>>717244104
>>717244162
It do be bothering me how valve lets these russians ass rape the server browser(s). FIX YOUR SHIT VALVE

>>717251490
The purple pill counter strike source was so fun. Never played a proper 5v5 on that game until cs:go lol

>>717216585
I think this comes down to two things:
>Laws and legislation
It's been a known thing for at least 2 decades now that there is actual illegal activity being hosted in online games that allows for open chat thanks for their transience nature, shit like drug deals, prostitution, illegal media (CP for example), terrorism, etc, but it wasn't until about a decade ago that a lot of countries in the western world started cracking down on it with rules that made running these kinds of services harder which leads us to the next point.

>Costs
Devs and publishers simply don't want to deal with the costs of moderation and administration that dealing with a "community" entails, so they try to push it outside of the game where a 3rd-party can handle it for them instead.

I'm not defending anyone for doing anything by saying this, I'm just pointing out the facts, why else would companies like Meta, Microsoft, Google and Apple constantly try to jump through legal loopholes to avoid paying for shit, moderating their shit or actually doing the jobs that THEY signed up for? It's simple, digital "goods" are cheap and infinite but human labor isn't, which is why they are also (coincidentally) pushing for AI so much.

>>717252063
This was my home in CSS

> win 2 games of warzone
> moderate increase in difficulty for game 3
> another larger difficulty spike for match 4, but 2 or 3 players are low level including literal level 1s. This is a guaranteed loss match.


I hate the COD formula

>>717252149
>zoomers will never live to see custom sprays
I almost feel bad for them. Almost.

>>717252046
BF3 had a server browser on the 360, there's no excuse

>>717252229
You should envy them. They'll never know our loss.

>>717251857
It does the opposite for me. I burn out after a couple of games and then eventually quit for good.

>you have been kicked from the server
>reason: did not write trans rights are human rights when prompted

>>717252396
dont play on uncletopia

>>717252268
>It's better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all
Sure, we experienced the peak of the internet and vidya and have to live to see these gay and faggot times, but at least we got to live the good ones.
Zoomers on the other hand have just known this shit and this shit is what they'll long for in some years.

>>717252396
better than money stolen

>>717252127
there was one zombie server where you get one a chopper at the end and it was kinda glitchy and people regularly fell off and got eaten but i can't remember the name

>average custom server experience
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdkLZNyEMVU
I miss it like you wouldnt believe

>>717252396
>say [WORD]
>banned indefinitely from SBMM

>>717252468
the map you're thinking of is zm_atix_helicopter

>>717252509
>demoman: MEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCCCCCCCC

>>717252127
>ZM
Hell yea. For me home was JB and then ZE > MG > ZM > GG > DM > Surf/Bhop/Climb > DR

There's still a populated ZM server up but the maps choices are weird, they're designed for large groups of CTs rather small ones building bases. ZE is still alive too

So chat censorship fucks off forever. Stop policing 40 year old men like 5 year old children you stupid kikes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPsF0zbbKhk

>this is what the gaming industry doesn't want you have
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtBjGinfegw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c137wlhWJE

>>717252602
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTocPBgyYwA

>>717252529
yeah that looks real familiar
good times man

>>717244267
because multiplayer games turned into sport.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XavVMeP8pg

>>717252556
the ID verification system is made by an israeli tech company.

>>717216585
You could tell everyone involved in making Hearthstone had never played cards in their lives.

Games serve as an excuse to socialize with others and fill in the awkward silences. That's how terrible games like WoW became popular. But you couldn't allow socialization because it always leads to noticing.

>>717251249
>ELO
oh no a league player thinks he's anything but retarded

>source2 games
>Dota 2 (eSport, mtx)
>HL Alyx (VR, lul)
>CS2 (eSport, mtx, lootbox)
>Deadlock (eSport, mtx)
Support for community server on CS2 is practically non existent. I prayed for this engine to create a new generation community server kino. I thought valve was based guys...

Gotta wait on s&box I guess..

>>717252556
Don't worry when the think of muh children fags get Real ID pushed through the entirety of your online activity will be directly tied to your SSN, not just your chat history in games.

>>717253038
valve just collects money while gaben buys another megayacht
it's over bro

>>717252767
unironically the golden era of gaming

>>717252767
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7TRF7jrSM4&t=1s

Prebs getting griefed and mindbroken in this era was so fucking funny.

>>717214289
I prefer server browser when I'm trying to just have fun dick around and not take things seriously, and matchmaking when I want to ranked sweat

>>717233860
This never made any sense to me. Why would I ever accept losing 50% of the time? Everything else in life I am better than 90% of people at. If I lose more than 10% of the time I'm going to better spend my time.

>>717213812
fpbp
Also matchmaking is proven to just make games worse and more frustrating but that means better retention of players. It's all calculated to max kike bullshit

>>717213673 (OP)
Who is this and what position is she in? If she can't rub her two braincells together to think of the pros of having community servers then that doesn't bode well for whatever place she's working at.
>You lot
I'm going to assume she's some stuck up community manager. You can almost smell the smugness.

>>717250603
sounds like you actually have a brain

>>717234587
Publishers especially like matchmaking because it allows them to curate the experience and direct attention a certain way, normalfags just have learned helplessness

>>717223927
this describes my experience in Wolfenstein Enemy Territory. You can still play it btw, a few servers are still quite active

>>717236174
Discord didn't cause that, the games damaged themselves by stealing from players who communicated in them.
As a result a lot of those games stopped having a reason to exist as their social aspect was gone.
Anyone who thinks that removing the social aspect of your game increases engagement is incredibly retarded. The strawman argument of the kid yelling nigger over and over is even more engaging than that, people you dislike is motivation to win.