Thread 717229591

Why is he so adamant against adding any depth to the combat of the souls series while also focusing more on combat and less on interesting world building with each successive title

>>717229591 (OP)
Explain this so-called "depth"

He has the same game design philosophy as Nintendo. Make it simple, dumb it down, keep it accessible for everyone.

>>717229591 (OP)
why would he?
retards love the series and it makes them a lot of money. its no different than Call of Duty

>>717229591 (OP)
>but muh jump button

>>717229936
starfield was such shit, just fallout 4 all over again
but when they included clambering AND ladders? oh boy, now they were cooking that day

>>717229805
since demon's souls the only additions to to the combat system have been weapon arts and jumping

>>717230172
Shooters haven't had any additions since the fucking beginning, retard. Are shooters lacking depth now?

>>717230257
you dont think doom 2016 has any added depth over doom 1999

>>717229805
Not having everything boil down to rolling at the right time.

>>717229591 (OP)
Can we just get new kings field please

>>717230307
No, it evidently has not and you'd know this if you actually played these games. It looks 'better', but every game does.

>>717230463
>No, it evidently has not
do you want to think about this for more than 3 seconds and reconsider that statement

>>717230172
what's there to add that couldn't be covered by a weapon type specializing in it? guard counters go basically unused by anybody but NPCs in elden ring and it's the first addition to, specifically, basic combat, since plunging attacks (read: attacks while falling) in DS1

>>717230557
>>717230324

>>717230557
Ds2 added jump attacks and power stancing (which I wish they brought back)

>>717230523
So you're admitting you're a retard? Either say what you want or admit it so we can leave and let this thread die.

>>717229591 (OP)
He's an idiot.

An idiot making a game for idiots.

>>717230682
elden ring is FUCKING LEAKING AT THE SEAMS with roll-catches to the point of obnoxiousness, and some swordsman bosses are parry checks
>>717230726
elden ring has dual-wield movesets on L1 like DS2 powerstancing, just not the freedom of adjusting your posture a little bit to "enter power stance"

let's just take a random game
khazan has:

brink guard
brink dodge
customizable combos for each weapon
a spirit resource
spirit skills with highly varied effects such as extending an enemy's stagger duration or automatically brink guarding for a duration
burst counters

elden ring has
jumping
rolling
R1, R2, weapon arts

>>717230839
Yeah they brought it back but it was gayer. No power stance with different weapon types

>>717229591 (OP)
He literally said he doesn't have the dexterity to play good action games. He barely can play his own slop.

>>717230861
>parry slop

>>717229843
nintendo games are significantly deeper than soulslop and I'm 100% serious about it

>>717229591 (OP)
Are you retarded? ER literally went 11/10 with its intensity compared to the other games. Did you summon/ashes for Consort and Malenia literally right before typing this post?

>>717231763
It's intense by the cheapest, dumbest method imaginable: Just piling on combos, shrinking punish windows, making attach animations ever more unreadable, adding more and more AoEs to everything.

Souls combat has become garish anime dogshit that is less fun than ever thanks to Miyazaki's braindead boss design.

>>717229591 (OP)
you can't ask this question on /v/, this is a fromsoftware board

>>717231941

he got lucky with the savage axe gp

>>717229591 (OP)
Did you not play Nightreign? It unironically added a good amount of depth with the unique character skills.

>>717229591 (OP)
they added quite a bit of depth with ER

>>717231316
I was about to say this, being able to do a mace and a sword together for example was fucking tight and it allowed for lots of expression in your build

>>717230257
of course shooters had additions, imagine arguing castle wolfenstein and ultrakill play the same and have the exact same mechanics, imagine being a fromtranny

>>717229591 (OP)
>Keep things the same for like 16 years
>people buy it anyway lol
>In fact, the rest of the industry wants to copy your i-frame rollspam "combat" and praise you for it
Why would they change anything, ever?

>>717231763
this has absolutely nothing to do with depth, fromdrones know nothing about vidya it's hilarious

>>717232867
Not Miyazaki though.

>>717233037
the difference between those two is just as wide as Dark Souls 3 and Elden Ring

>>717234654
lmao

>>717234728
i accept your concession

>>717235050
I accept your dilation

>>717232993
you can't powerstance a sword and a mace, you never played DS2

>>717235125
fucking retarded nigger
every single time one of you disingenuous faggots get called out, you have to resort this type of shit

>>717235473
As if your "I accept your concession" is any less disingenuous lmao

>>717235473
uh oh, troony melty!

it's ok sister go play some rollslop to calm down

>>717234437
He can't make a good game. Look at his ninja gaiden clone. Luckily for him westerners are retards with no standards.

Wuchang has clashing, aka aggressive parries. That's new. No soulslike has ever had a mechanic like this I think. Sekiro by comparison has parries as a seperate button.

>>717235793
Soulsniggers have no standards

>>717235537
because i know what kind of faggot you are
actually try and refute my point and not be a disingenuous retard
>>717235546
go fuck yourself, samefag

>>717229591 (OP)
In the biz we call this a loaded question and OP a faggot.

>>717235916
>samefag
No I'm the first post you quoted and I'm not the Anon you got into a shit flinging argument with, I just think you're a hypocritical faggot.

He just publishes the same shit every year. That fat jap jew is as scummy as EA and Activison.

>>717236189
Zoomers keep buying it. If we still had a proper market it would die. Zoomers only buy based on streamers.

>>717235916
>try and refute my point
what point? you've never played wolfenstein or ultrakill because you're a brain damaged fromdrone who knows nothing about vidya outside of your shallow roll simulators

>>717236298
>zoomers
Isn't rollslop millenialcore?

>>717236298
I only see millennial shits playing this garbage. Zoomers play better stuff like Fortnite, Roblox, and Minecraft at least.

>>717229591 (OP)
He's been making the same game since king's field
The japoonese Todd Howard

I refuse to play soulsslop since it's FIFA garbage. I much rather waste my time playing FNAF or some shit.

>>717236298
>zoomers playing rpg
millennial brainrot everyone

>>717237009
Zoomers play whatever streamers play retard

>>717236508
>>717236602
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>>717237183
I feel like most of the time people using the word "zoomers" don't actually understand what demographic that is.

>Make game
>People like it enough that you can make game 2
>Make game 2 like game because its what your audience wants
>People like it enough that you can make game 3
>Make game 3 like game and game 2 because its what your audience wants
What's wrong with that
Why would you change your game when people are clearly still buying them, speaking highly of them, and they're consistently growing in popularity compared to their previous games
Because the alternative is randomly throwing new mechanics and radically changing the core gameplay (like going from mass effect 1's infinite ammo indepth weapon customization and wide array of character building to mass effect 2's "this pistol doesn't have a thermal clip" and 2 powers only)

>>717238051
>(like going from mass effect 1's infinite ammo indepth weapon customization and wide array of character building to mass effect 2's "this pistol doesn't have a thermal clip" and 2 powers only)
mass effect 2 was astronomically popular though

Call it desperate and reaching but I like how Nightreign has distinct characters with their own abilities, which add quite a bit of depth to each character. They finally bothered to give characters different heights and they've lazily solved grabs by making it so that you do an extended dodge if you do them. It's all very minor stuff and their boss designs continue to get worse, but it makes me look forward to whatever game they make that isn't a Souls game.

>>717240623
unironically nightreign is a step in the right direction and the fact they're adding unique movement skills to characters in duskbloods is also encouraging (notice how fromdrones response to that was to ridicule the big armored guy air dashing through the sky)

>>717229591 (OP)
>deflect since sekiro
>stance break since ds3
>changes poise/hypearmor
>power stanceing in ds2
>Nightreign changed bows and magic

>>717240623
>you do an extended dodge if you do them
you do an extended dodge if you dodge into them*
Like, the game checks if you still have i-frames active when a grab connects and extends the dodge.

>>717240797
I thought it looked goofy like everyone else but I didn't think "This means this game will suck". Wylder definitely makes a great case for them making their characters have more mobility. But I don't care for PvP nor will I get a Switch 2 for one game. I'll wait for their whatever their next game is.

>>717229591 (OP)
the souls combat is well-refined and doesn't need much more depth. basically everything else in souls games could use some serious work, starting with having a comprehensible plot

>>717235793
>That's new.
DMC's been doing this since the first game. Since 2001.

>>717241715
It was well refined, back in 2011. It's just spastic dogshit now.

>>717229591 (OP)
Because they "perfected" the formula they are going for for maximum milkage. They do not want to ruin their golden goose. Rollslop is rollslop for a reason.

>>717231763
Nigger I beat the entire game by jump attacking and not once did it force me to change tactics.

>>717229591 (OP)
I always thought the idea was having lots of builds, magic, items, abilities, online, etc to toy with and the variety and depth came from that. But everyone just does the same build and fights every boss the same way no matter what and ignore most of the mechanics and tools and then wonder why things get boring.

>>717243096
that's what happens when all the weapons have basic similar movesets and magic isn't fun to use

>>717243096
the builds don't significantly change the gameplay

at best you're going to attack from a distance if you run a magic or faith build or you're going to use your shield to block attacks instead of rolling through them but it'll still be very simplistic binary gameplay with very little decision making and skill expression

>>717229591 (OP)
Japanese players are more casual than you think

>>717231645
>Sekiro out of nowhere

>>717230138
Its a worse fallout 4 with a worse crafting and rpg skill tree like needing a perk to crouch

>>717246529
>perk to crouch
no you didnt?

Souls boss combat is literally just a theme park ride where you he does a three swing combo ending in an explosion of faerie dust as you plink their slides while orchestraslop plays. Hope Sony actually invests more into From so people can finally have the freedom to admit its shit

>>717229805
its about skills that a game tests you soulshit obviously doesn't test aiming skills

>>717229591 (OP)
I'm still confused by Duskbloods why is it Multiplayer-only? Didn't NightReign already do the job

>>717229591 (OP)
It's not required to add depth but bosses have constantly been getting buffed in speed, combo length and trash delayed attacks while players have the same speed and tools since bloodborne. that's the problem. the playing field is skewed towards bosses and that's what makes it unfun.

>>717229591 (OP)
Wut? He added jumping

>>717230324
I blocked every boss in Elden Ring, just a big old shield.