GGbros? What happened?
I thought everything was fine after turning our characters into LGBTQ representations and covering up characters like Dizzy?

It's better the series dies than continue on like this

>>717238327 (OP)
Game is in the fifth season, what the hell is 2.0?

>>717238327 (OP)
>GGbros? What happened?
I've been asking myself that for the past few years.
After being a fan for about 2 decades now I kinda just accepted that this series outgrew me and it's fans are not my people anymore.

>>717238327 (OP)
I don't understand how appealing to casuals ends up killing the series. Is 4 seasons not successful?

>>717239486
I don't understand this, not like XRD had mainstream appeal, and not the strive has it. Now it's somehow killed the series? Maybe it's lost it's heart but shouldn't they be more financially successful by appealing to casuals?

>>717239626
No I wasn't clear I guess, it's the exact opposite.
The series is more successful than it's ever been.
I was just venting my frustrations separate from whatever dooming op is doing.

>>717238327 (OP)
It is the best selling game in the series by far, lmao. In fact, it may have sold more than everything else combined. It has sold over 3.5M copies.

Japanese devs just tried to jump into the DEI train late.

>>717238327 (OP)
did asw not make their money back on strive?

>>717239904
Game is so dead right now they don't even want to update it anymore, retarded tranny

Reminder that absolutely nobody actually played Bridget so genuinely useless moves went unnoticed by the community for months.

wtf do they mean the future of the series depend on 2.0, it's their best selling fucking game

>>717239626
>appealing to casuals?
you can make something easier but that doesn't mean casuals will stay it seems like a lot of fighting games are spending time trying to get casuals in the door but they dont hang around and it's hurting them

>>717240081
You can call be a tranny if you want, but you're some retarded nigger. GG was, at best, a very niche series before. It is now the second most popular 2D fighting game behind Street Fighter and consistently has the 3rd most entrants at SF every year (SF -> Tekken -> GGST). That is pretty incredible.

>>717240041
I find that really hard to believe given how much more successful it was compared to pretty much everything else ASW has ever done.
But I guess it's possible that the series has gotten too big for it's own good and they just dumped too much into it.

>>717238327 (OP)
Is there literally any source on this or are you quoting some twitter faggot?

Aren't you happy that your 20 years of build up got a conclusion before the series died?

>>717240208
>they just dumped too much into it
none of which went to the actual game

>>717240269
Sad but true.There are still so many QoL features missing it's just insane.
Their lobbies are barely functional.

>>717238327 (OP)

>>717240254
I'm not a diehard GG fan( i only ever played Accent Core) but
>villain that's been built up for literal decades was actually a good guy, and just so unvelievably autistic he couldn't explain his own plan to his best friend and greatest confidant
Was so fucking shit i tought it was just a joke at first.

>>717240254
A dogshit conclusion where nobody was the bad guy because Daisuke turned into a massive fucking pussy.

>>717240171
Yeah, you are obviously a tranny, we can tell just by the way you are trying to change the narrative here:
>Strive is a big success thanks to the hype around Arcsys after DBFz and the insane look of the game
>huge number of players, main game at EVO
>put trannyshit in the game, turn legacy characters into LGBTQ
>insane drop of players
>now they don't even want to update it anymore because they are basically losing money

>>717239626
Causals don't buy games, that is why they are casual. By definition they only play games occasionally and spend money very infrequently. As such, they tend to play free games and when they do spend money, it is only on the few overhyped FOMO releases like FIFA, GTA, RDR2, CoD and once upon a time, Battlefield. Even the big triple Ayyy developers have stated that the majority of their sales are from a dedicated minority of whales through micro transactions.

>>717240615
>Game sells 3.5M copies
>Some random twitter account with no source says that the game won't be updated because of it
>While Arcsys got tagged to make the next big fighting game (Tokon)
Yeah, I am sure they're out here about to go out of business... If the game was a failure they wouldn't have done a 2.0 lmao, your argument is self defeating.

>>717240615
the insane drop in players has nothing to do with the lgbtq stuff in the game, and everything to do with the fact the game gets no support and increasingly gets more dogshit mechanics and is not fun to fucking play

>>717238327 (OP)
Well, they deserve no less, horrible "modern" UI, they made testament a woman, they ruin Dizzy outfit, remove Ramlethal underboob, censored I-no classic victory pose, retcon Bridget story and of course, now they are ruining Jam outfit, pic related. I always liked GGXX and I never hate any spin off, but strive.... fuck that shit, glad I never buy it.

>>717240878
>the insane drop in players has nothing to do with the lgbtq stuff in the game

>>717240939
youre genuinely schizophrenic

>>717240920
Where are her tits

Strive is good which is why /v/ continues to seethe about it.

>>717240868
>Some random twitter account with no source says that the game won't be updated because of it
https://www.dexerto.com/gaming/guilty-gear-strive-producer-speaks-out-on-rumors-of-canceled-follow-up-game-3233422/
Literally a fucking interview with the producer
>If the game was a failure they wouldn't have done a 2.0 lmao, your argument is self defeating.
Holy retard. They are doing 2.0 in hope to soft relaunch the game, if it don't perform, they are shutting it down.
It means they are losing money by making new content because they don't have enough people buying their new content right now, otherwise they would continue to support the game like a shit ton of other games, lol
Keep being delusional if you want, tranny.

lmao
this shit was fundamentally built on the macro dash

>>717238327 (OP)
At this point? Let it die.
t. GG player ever since the original #Reload PC release

>>717241260
I wish tits were real...

>>717241383
>Instead, Ken told us that it’s up to series creator Daisuke Ishiwatari whether or not they start on the franchise’s next installment.

>“I think when we start our new game, that’s gonna be when Daisuke Ishiwatari is ready for it,” he said.

so if Daisuke wants another GG game, they make one. Wow, how crazy. Yeah, at some point they have to drop support for strive lmao, what a fucking revelation. They eventually stopped supporting SFIV and it was the biggest fighting game of all time at that point.

>>717241584
>the original #Reload PC release
i love new friends

>>717238327 (OP)
is that a bad thing? they could finally put this trash to rest and work on anything and it'll be better by default.

>>717241738
they already canceled a new gg game

You RETARDS. They are being infected with financial faggots demanding the game be more profitable, more monetizable.
There are no costumes, there are no random bullshit retards want to buy (SF6 teenage mutant ninja turtles as an example), they can't spend time in the game besides playing, etc.
They are searching for investors but no one is interested.

>>717241871
Tell me what changes Venom had between #Reload and Slash or shut up.

>>717241260
No fun allowed, they shit the original design, they are convinced that Strive sold because the designs or simple gameplay, but I personally believe it was thanks to the graphics and how they marketed to modern audiences as the "anime fighter with nice animations".

>>717238327 (OP)
>The game continuing to get support after half a fucking decade is reliant on the new update going well
wow no shit, retards
>>717239626
Strive has not been a failure by any sane measure.
It also notably did far less to appeal to casuals than literally any of its contemporaries. It's the only current fighting game without easy inputs, and it's full of heavy oki situations and hard mix that are pretty openly anti-casual. The idea that it's a casual game is pure propaganda.

>>717241969
>Well, according to Ken there wasn’t… but he was “sad” that a new Guilty Gear project was never actually in the works.

>“It’s kind of funny, but I didn’t know about it. It was just a rumor. It’s interesting to see that kind of rumor coming out of nowhere.

So literally no, actually. There was not another GG in the works. You know why? They're making Marvel Tokon and that is what they've been making for the past few years.

>>717240920
BRO she is norwooding hard

>>717238651
This. Just kill it instead of potentially making more characters into trannies or adding more tranny shit

>Either outright lying or basically proving another GG game (Daisuke also said in an interview way back such a thing wouldn't necessarily be a continuation of Strive) is not happening whatsoever
Good, I don't care even if this tranny slop is the end note. Just let it stay dead like Blaz blue and don't rape it's corpse.

>>717242093
One of the reasons people call it casual is that the base roster of characters had simplified movesets and the buffer window/counter window were astronomical to the point that doing combos was extremely easy with a little bit of practice. However, the DLC added insane characters and the game's oki was always cracked.

>>717240615
>insane drop of players
Stop being a fucking retard. Strive has been extremely consistent in its playerbase.
The shit you're talking about also happened FOUR FUCKING YEARS before this update and one after the game launched.

>>717240081
are you retarded? The game will be 5 years old soon

>>717242229
There is no point, anon. These people don't understand. Fighting games are very niche. Strive continuing to get thousands of players a day on PC + 1.5k entrants at Evo (and being the 3rd most entered game, CotW this year had 575 DQs putting it at like 1k entrants lol) is insane. Tekken 8 is the only other fighting game that gets higher numbers cause it is the premier (and only) 3D fighter right now.

>>717242186
Thank fuck Blaz Blue is dead.

OP is giga /pol/ nigger and a secondary

Why does Strive feel so removed from regular Guilty Gear?
I'm not talking about the politics, but the whole game, its presentation and its tone, it feels like i'm watching a spinoff more than the end of a saga.

>>717242187
>is that the base roster of characters had simplified movesets
Massively exaggerated phenomenon, especially when comparing it to any other fighting game on the market. Even beyond the most recent generation of casual games.
The restriction of Gatlings is a more valid argument, though the Strive system is honestly just a better design.
>and the buffer window/counter window were astronomical to the point that doing combos was extremely easy with a little bit of practice
Buffer window was never the reason that combos were easy, and is essentially the same as Xrd. The easier combos came from the lack of airtech giving a lot of characters lose, combo-theory driven routes rather than stricter timing on air combos.

>>717242118
arcsys have 3 studio and 2 dev team. marvel tokon isn't the only game they're working on.

>>717242439
it sold out

>>717242456
You still have to admit the giant COUNTER with the frozen screen makes random counter hits during footsies much less of an actual skill check lol.

>>717242439
Ishiwatari's testosterone declined as he approached old age.
He has lost his edge. That's why he retired Sol. Sol was always his self-insert.

>>717242514
They're not gonna release GG Blazing Dicks and Tokon in the same year, dude. Not to mention it is likely that they are gonna be making like 5-6 seasons of DLC for Tokon as well. Another, new Strive game couldn't come out until 2027.

>>717238327 (OP)
>4+ million copies sold
>still seething 5 seasons later
This game won so hard

Anytime I get an urge to play GGtransS I look at the animations and it immediately goes away. It's like someone turned the resolution to max and left the animation frames at minimum.

>this giant slice animation has like 3 visual frames
it looks like shitty poo poo during gameplay

>>717242132
Jam Norwood status?

>>717242596
who said anything about releasing it the same year? you can work on two projects and release one later... the fuck?

>>717240171
Yeah it was niche, now it's tranny infested. A fate worse than death.

>>717238327 (OP)
Season 4 should've been a new game, like a rev 2 or whatever. With insta-kills back. Maybe more story content?

>>717238327 (OP)
god I hope it dies. Just let it end. The series, the whole thing, you killed it, so please let it rest. Thankyou

>>717242543
I mean yeah, counter hit confirming is easier, but it's not footsies where that impact is felt. Even beforehand, GG was not a series driven heavily by reaction-demanding single-hit-confirms out of neutral anyway. Where it really hurts is on effective hit confirming / counter hit confirming out of pressure strings, which was a major element of old GG. If anything the large counter effects give more weight to pokes and skilled neutral control while dumbing down offensive pressure.

>>717239904
That's cool, but are those 3.5m people still playing? Because what matters to fighting games is how many people are still playing it, not how many bought it.

Strive is, objectively, one of the best designed fighting games ever made.
The people who get mad at it are ALL non-players.

>>717242091
It came out at a great time too, towards the end of SF5 and T7's life and they were riding high off DBFZ btfo out of MVCI

>>717242723
That's fine, in a fighting game you want frames to be very distinct so you can actually register what part of the move is occurring at any given time, otherwise you end up with garbage like SF6. Tekken and VF get away with it by having much longer startup to most moves. GGST's problem is literally everything else about it sucks shit.

>>717238327 (OP)
I swear to god I remember Daisuke saying Strive would be the last GG game way back in like 2021, did I hallucinate that?

>>717240269
>>717240360
Where did it go then?

>>717243051
ahh fuck it, I'm bored. I'm gonna reinstall it anyways. Tell me truthfully, will I find a match during primetime hours? I live on the east coast. (if you lie to me I will spam black dicks into every GGS thread forever)

>>717243329
you can find matches at any hour of the day on EC

>>717243212
merch

>we want the casual audience
>*removes all game modes that casuals would enjoy and leaves only non-interactive story mode and compfag versus modes*
>why aren't casuals playing our game??? we even turned the bridget into a tranny!!!

>>717240612
Yep, that's perfect for modern GG.

I thought it had done really well?

>>717239626
gg pretty much solely exists as a showcase for arc's graphics tech now. daisuke hasn't cared about it in a long time

>>717244004
Reminds me of how atlus is never touching p1-2 again because nips are autistic about ruining another man's work. But your own? Fair game.

>>717240441

>>717240920
They didn't even use her River City Girls design lmao

>>717244004
Yeah it's been over 25 years now his avant garde rock stuff is now just boomer dad rock

>>717240920
no way it's real

>>717244541
it's real
they tweeted an image about version 2.0 and it has that leaked image

>>717238327 (OP)
I don't mean to usurp the tred but i find it fascinating how many communities got trannyfied in the recent years. If you look at it, it's always the stuff that used to be popular with rejects and nerds. The successful lads outgrow whatever niche hobby they used to cope with, and the demented stayed increasing the already present neurosis.
I think of it as a delayed death showing its signs. IP's that should have died at some point are kept on life support by freaks with nothing better to do.
>Fallout
>SCP
>DnD
>WoW
>WH40k
>A lot of animeys.
Just stuff that in a perfect world wouldve gracefully expired, except some people clung onto it regardless of how much rot seeped in already. Hence trannyfication.
Any IP trannyfied is essentially undead.

>>717244541
from that Arcsys hack and now that "2.0" update trailer
but someone somehow convinced me that it was just fanart back then

>>717238327 (OP)
What do you mean? The game is 5 years old, even Xrd didnt last that long support-wise. Miyauchi is saying theyre not going to support Strive anymore if sales for 2.0 dont push through, which is literally the same as every other Arc game that had a 2.0 update from BBCF, Rev2, BBTAG AND DBFZ

>>717244931
>Robo-Ky is finally back too
Oh boy can't wait to see how much he gets ruined

>>717238327 (OP)
Isnt Strive the longest lasting GG entry? They already have Tokon to move on to so I dont get it, game's old as fuck

>>717244931
>>717244729
only one leg revealled
stupid white jacket
nerfed boobs
damn I hope the model looks better... i'm actually downing hopium as hard as I can rn

>>717238327 (OP)
>dumbed down combat
>gutted movesets
>removed most of the cast to resell them as DLC
>music the worst it's ever been in the IP's history
>new designs pander to the mentally ill western tranny audience
>retconned Testament into a tranny, retconned Bridget into a tranny
>horrible lazy minimalist UI design
>damage is way too high
>game is much slower
>no instant kills a series staple
>now hailing it as a 3.5 million PLAYERS not how many units SOLD

Daisuke is a massive westaboo pandering faggot retard who fell off.

>>717238327 (OP)
Good, work on mahvel already, this game came out fucking when? 2020??

>>717245079
He's already gay with Venom, tho i can see them making him non-binary like ive seen done other robot characters

>>717244931
>nos full bare legs
>no tits
>no pits
Same as Dizzy, let's remove all the appeal of our character to pander to americans.
They are still stuck in the DEI era, lmao

>>717240920
>>717244541
https://youtu.be/98NQzzjXnxc?t=50
It's real

>>717244868
>gracefully expired
I wonder who's behind this post...

>>717245296
Still did better than older entries. Still lasted longer and furthermore, had actual players. Blazbabs were laffing at you posers for not supporting Xrd.

I think Happy Chaos did more damage to the game than the Bridget situation.
Especially when the first tournament after his release was won by a lanky tranny abusing a broken character, later opening up the floodgates where most of the big players in ggst are just that, trannies.
None of the other fighting games are this infested with them.

>>717245089
Not the same team, Tokon's team is different than the Granblue and the Guilty Gear one.

>>717245398
BB at least kept it's integrity and didn't turn half the cast into trannys and dumb the game down for the retarded SF5 audience. Keep drooling on your controller while mashing buttons. YWNBAW

>>717245435
Team Red / Team Blue was already dismantled by the time Granblue came out. Why do you think they dont reference it anymore?

>>717245453
BB never had integrity to begin with don't kid yourself

>>717245453
>integrity
Keep telling yourself that. You niggers only latched on to BB out of spite. You were the same people who shat on it years ago because it was the cool thing to do

>>717245398
Xrd was shit too. AC was the last good GG, +R was a travesty though and ruined it as well just because ArcSissies couldn't help themselves.

>>717245589
AC was a broken mess and literal kusoge tier of a game anon, theres a reason they had to release AC+ for that, and even that one was poorly recieved.

>>717245725
+R is way more kusoge than vanilla AC, you would know that if you have played it.

>>717245589
>vanilla ac
nigga you cannot be serious

>>717245816
ANON Vanilla AC had Pot doing slidehead infinites and Testament being even more dumb than +R. PLEASE actually play the fucking games, +R has a version select holy shit

>>717242091
Strive success almost solely came from a perfect storm. Tons of good faith and growing buzz from their previous titles that people were now paying attention to an actually releasing with great netcode when fighting game devs were still shitting the bed on the usual for alongside being the only real fighting game released during the pandemic. Strive just had to not shit the bed in a way that matters to the casual player and the majority that didnt play older GG and they were golden. Even more so that they actually marketed their game.

>>717245589
The poser answer is #Reload. And you couldn’t even figure that out retard

>>717242873
I really hope they don't waste their time on this meme shit and just give everyone a new special instead

Dragon Ball was literally the reason Strive sold as well as it did.

>>717239626
casuals only stay for the story mode and then move on to the next thing, only the hardcore play the arcade mode and multiplayer

>game panders to trannies
>acks itself

a tale as old as time

>>717238327 (OP)
What a fucking blatantly false statement. Strive, unfortunately, has been Arcsys' biggest success by a long shot. The game might be shit, and believe me it is shit, but there's no way that the future of GG is anything but secure

>>717246381
Literally lasted longer than any of their previous games

>>717246437
>game is dying
>B-BUT IT DID WELL AT THE BEGINNING!
Irrelevant.

>actually read article
>we'll make a new GG when daisuke wants to make a new GG is what is actually said
OP is as retarded as various other online "game journalists" such as dexerto and Kotaku.

>>717242439
Because people didn't buy Xrd so daisuke and co figured trying something new was worth a try. He then was proven right since it turned out to be the company's 2nd most successful and played game right after dbfz.

>Guilty Gear characters post-Strive
>all of their gameplans are flowcharts
>Do A then do B then do C, after your turn end just hold back then try to do A again
>Even complex, returning characters got reduced into this

>>717246973
dbfz is not an arcsys game, they just worked on it, it's owned by bandai namco. strive is their #1 game

>>717242439
>Why does Strive feel so removed from regular Guilty Gear?
As opposed to the anime Blazblue with its autocombos attempting to grab a new audience? Or the cartoony Xrd and its own crusade to make the game more accessible, which in turn had all XX people drop it dead?

>>717246849
>point is about not being able to support the game anymore because they are losing money uploading it
>B-BUT DAISUKE CAN MAKE A NEW ONE
Irrelevant tranny cope

>>717240920
>no torpedo tits
>no panties

Whats the point

>>717238651
fire emblem fans learnt that listen the hard way

>>717247246
>they just worked on it
They were the only fighting game devs working on it which is why it looks the way it does and has the fucking arc chibi lobbies so it's an arcsys game. Not a 100% arcsys owned game but still a 100% arcsys game that they were balancing before their fallout with bamco and the game immediately got shittier after bamco took control.

>>717246785
why are people so adamant about lying on goychan? your parents didn't beat you enough.

>>717246165
I never saw slidehead infinites done in a wild, and if you are seriously SERIOUSLY fucking think that +R testament is less annoying to play against than vanilla one you are an absolute fucking retard.

>>717246252
Reload was fun but too basic. Slash was okay but nobody played it outside of japan, AC was perfect.

>>717242662
>the game won so hard
>producer says it might be the end of the series

>>717246442
They started pandering to trannies with the Bridget update.

>people still believe that strive "survived" on its own merits instead of the perfect storm of normalfags waking up to fighting games
I was there when literally everyone was shitting on both public betas, but then still proceeded to buy it just because the "grift-able" audience had become too large to ignore

Modernsloppers, our time has finally arrived. The time of armorsloppers is over. Show me your glam!
seething and malding armorfags aren't invited

Only thing that saved soive is rollback

>>717238651
kill it.

>>717247257
This is Mike fucks by the way, the man robbed of his skullgirls

>>717248438
>>717248657
If this were the case Strive shouldve died year 2. """Hype"""" is not enough to sustain a game if the gameplay is simply that bad. Just accept that the entry has an actual playerbase instead if a vocal minority claiming they play it on the internet. +R and Xrd has been blessed with rollback and yet it has not exploded with the same vigor the people praise it online for the past 5 years

>>717248159
Potemkin slidehead infinite is meta for all the duration AC was active. Stop playing with your make-believe playerbase because I refuse to believe AC still has a playerbase.

Also, +R Testament pales in comparison with AC Testament's bullshit, that was my point. Not only are you a poser you're also illiterate.

>>717238327 (OP)
The game lasted more than 5 years, thats even longer than dragonball, ArcSys' undisputed cashcow back 2017. If anything, the entry shouldve ended back 2024.

>>717249425
Stop defending this turd with your life. You sound very personally invested.

Strive is a solid game but I just don't think it inspires the raw gameplay autist passion that older guilty gears did, and I think the strive-specific fanbase of annoying terminally online gay people they dredged up isn't really enough to keep the series going.

It's felt like we've needed a new game for two years. 2.0 is not going to save this series. It needs to excite people again the way marvel tokon is.

>>717249782
What, like you losers making these threads for the past 5 years saying its going to die? You have no argument.

>>717249425
anything can happen if your audience is the same kind of retard that regurgitates from the teat of Max Dood

>>717244931
>>717240920
How the fuck does this outfit work during gameplay? How would anyone notice her kicks? This design is not only just another Litch Faye ling or whatever her name was, but it is messy as hell.

>>717250002
Protip: the people who watch maxishillian dont play this game either, or any fighting game for long periods of time

>>717249738
>The game lasted more than 5 years
It was released 4 years ago, tranny

>>717249738
Well I mean, to be fair DBFZ was cucked around by Bamco handling more than anything. Bamco clearly wanted to wash their hands of it and move onto the next Dragonball slop to release, but didn’t expect people to actually like something that took more effort than more Xenoverse garbage to such a degree far into launch.

>>717250145
2.0 update is 2026. Thats 5 years, dumbass

Will next GG go back to appealing to Japan again and go full lewd with the female outfits again?

>>717238327 (OP)
i wonder when v will understand fighting games aren't failing for any reason except dogshit braindead mechanics infesting every corner of the genre

>>717251035
Thats Blazblue. GG has always been a westaboo series. Theres a reason why GGfags would flex how tasteful their designs eere compared to BB back 2009

>>717251035
No because the Arcade scene in Japan is dead and they know the primary audience for fighting games these days are Americans. In fact, you can expect to see Gear get even more sterilized as the series continues forwards on the path its currently on.

Arc sys fags got too uppity and looked down on most other games, now they pay the price

>>717251270
Paying the price for what? Having the longest running GG ever on top of having the most anticipated tagslop fighter?

>>717251035
No, it should go back to it's heavy metal xtreme aesthetic
But trannysuke apparently is taking estrogen and that won't happen

>>717247257
Mike Z was right. Skullgirls is still the only game I've seen that lets you skip cutscene supers.

Strive just needs to bring back air teching and nerf positive bonus for me.
Real ranked mode was also nice

>>717238327 (OP)
Wanna buy GG cause Lucy DLC, not so sure now.

>>717238327 (OP)
just fucking remove wall break

>>717243051
>otherwise you end up with garbage like SF6.
Glad someone else sees it.

>>717246310
>GG Strive
>Story mode

>>717247257
Dude's spot on about Potemkin. And in Strive he feels so much worse. Dude used to be this high-octane pressure monster up close and in Strive he's just slow and retarded across the board. His Potemkin Buster is slow and has no range (unless you kara it which increases the startup and gives you "normal" range), and his Hammerfall Break has so much recovery it is pathetic.

>>717238327 (OP)
Let it die already, it won't get any better from here.

>>717247257
>had all XX people
that was like 2 people even back in 2014

Are we really done with evo and still not dropping a patch for the rest of the month to kneecap Pot and finally fix Dizzy/Venom after a whole fucking year of stupid

>>717254424
??? Potemkin is fucking terrifying up close in Strive. A singular blocked garuda is what you need to win. He's NEVER been stronger than he is in Strive right now

is robo ky gonna be a testament and elphelt situation where none of their original moves come back

>>717238327 (OP)
>make series pandering to fighting crowd
>abandon them for the modern audience and corrupt the game to do so
>lose a lot of the audience you originally crafted
>guilty gear is over, people just dont care anymore
It's surreal. They'd rather destroy their IP, possibly lose their jobs and careers and their futures rather than just making games their customers want. This timeline is so weird and gay, it doesn't even make sense.

>>717242118
>5 years and they didnt even started pre-production on next installment according to producer
Reminder that Strive was in pre-production since 2016 just after Revelator released and they pivoted from Rev3 into full project. No wonder they want to continue updating soive and want to do some soft relaunch of the game with 2.0 lmao. New GG will come out in 2030 if it ever will at this point kek.

>>717242229
this. how do people just turn off their brains in these threads?

>>717254424
pot is literally a top 5 character right now in strive

>>717255170
Hopefully. Robo-Ky is not a particularly interesting character from a gameplay perspective.

>>717255284
they started pre-production in late 2024

>>717255053
>>717255330
I don't care if he's good, he's fucking boring and doesn't play like Potemkin.

Tokon is a fucking gold mine since capcom keep dropping the balls on marvel fighting games
but having arcsys doesnt mean guarantee success, they can still easily fuck it up like DNF

>>717246849
>>we'll make a new GG when daisuke wants to make a new GG
Daisuke already said he moved on, his involvement with the series was already paper thin since Xrd and Strive is just him producing the music and doing some doodles, he only really obliged to give Sol's story a closure and let him fuck his 3d printed wife while Aria watches from her backyard cuckshed.

>>717238327 (OP)
Even if it fails, I don't think the damage Stroon has done to anime fighting games can be undone. At the very least we're never seeing another game like Blazblue. Even GBVS, the current sexiest fighting game deliberately picks the less sexy versions of the female characters from the gacha like Yuel and Metera.

>>717255481
you guys really need to start seperating arc sys from these third party games, tokon is an in house arc sys developed fighter meaning they will do all the balance and shit. games like dbfz, granblue, dnf duel all they do is animate and make the models, they don't do anything for gameplay.

>>717255428
On what? Producer literally said that nothing new is not in the works you nigger baboon. Daisuke is also making that shovelware demon baby game and openly talks about retirement since 2023 so if that trash bombs he will retire.

>>717255315
Don't need to turn your brain off if it was never on to begin with

>>717255653
project haus from the gigaleak

>>717255456
How? Define what you mean. Did you used to trick shitters with the hammerfall break into pot buster and think that was how the character was played? Back in the good old days when greed sever was an unblockable because you're on delay based netcode against some dude half a continent away. Pot has always been slow and his entire career up until this point was being a semi-mobile training dummy you ran looping oki on.

>>717255626
You're retarded. DBFZ and Granblue were designed by same people including Pachi. Those are ASW projects. Only game that was fully third party and gameplay was designed externally was DNF DUEL.

>>717239626
Gaming Tourism isn’t sustainable in the long run. Those normalfaggots you got to buy your game will not support it. Hardcore players will keep playing your game if it’s good and they will keep supporting you if you keep at it.
It’s just insane how every single company falls for the get rich quick scheme. Almost as if some external force was paying them or something.

>Everyone focuses on the legs and torpedo tits
These going away would be expected from modern Arcsys.
However, the peak of clown world comedy will be the chink accent definitely getting removed too.

>>717245398
I did my part
this game saved my life. I was playing fucking skullgirls before learning about it

>>717255709
>no proof
kek okay.

>>717255913
Jam with no ARU might unironically be the lowest point yet

>>717255743
>Did you used to trick shitters with the hammerfall break into pot buster and think that was how the character was played?
That is a core component of how the character is played up. You run gatlings and keep the pressure up with hammerfall break and mix between Potbuster when they're blocking, frametrap 5H if they want to press a button, slidehead RC at range, 6P/ Heat Knuckle if they want to jump, etc. HFB is the cornerstone of his gameplan.

>>717251035
don’t understand why they’re letting tourists on their dev team.

>>717255830
nrs players will refuse to admit this but this is the exact reason why mk1 failed

>>717240878
You wish. Most people I know who were GG fans since XX, and have played it for insane hours, even competed at evo, out of all them, more than half stopped playing the game because of gayfagtranny shit, and because the community became tranny central. You can deny reality, it doesn't make it not true.
Also YWNBAW

>>717257259
>Most people I know who were GG fans since XX
Most people I know who were fans since XX stopped playing Strive about a week after it came out because the game sucks shit through a straw. They went back to playing +R or Rev2.

>>717255913
When river city girls added Jam they gave her a really shitty accent. But that might be because wayforward is cooler than arcsys

>>717251139
...But Blazblue is even deader.

what will they do though?
>inb4 everyone just gets +1 move

>>717241383
Anon the game has been getting content for 4 years now. SF5's last DLC character was 5 years into its life. Most games would kill for that.
>continue to support it like a shit ton of other games
Which ones? Most fighting games do not get this level of support, what the fuck are you talking about? SC6 got 2 seasons of DLC characters for 8 total characters. Tekken 7 got 4 seasons with 14 characters total, which is less than Strive has already gotten. SF5 is the only fighting game that's run its full course that I can think of that got more support in the way of new fighters than Strive has so far. Strive has gotten 16 unique characters already, with two more confirmed for 18. This game has gotten more support than the vast majority of modern fighting games could ever hope for, because it sold a shit-ton of money and has kept a respectable player population for being an anime fighting game, and blows its last entry out of the fucking water in terms of sales and player counts.

>>717239626
>make 0 casual content
>???
>casuals don't autistically cling to an empty box
Not going to be stupid enough to say the tranny shit killed this game when jive has 2002 microsoft powerpoint UI and devs ignored ALL negative pre-release feedback. Fighting games need an actual game component because most players cbf to play VS 24/7 like their lives revolve around attending tournaments. Make solo or coop content or die. This is the market that's the audience for games.

>>717255830
>3,413 all-time peak
Yeah that hardcore player support must have really kept the lights on, lmao
If GG sold not a dime of DLC, just the base game sales alone fucking demolished the last entry, it's fucking embarrassing.

>>717261614
Strive is doing better than anything that's not Tekken or Street Fighter, it's an unironic massive success as much as it makes you seethe. Nothing killed it because it's not dead by fighting game numbers.

>>717261753
>muh steam numbers
Holy retard

>>717260253
I'm already owed a move

>>717261905
In an argument about popularity it's perfectly reasonably to whip out steam numbers

>>717261905
Yeah, muh steam numbers in response to the idiot retard who said Strive wasn't sustainable. A shitton of people bought the game and a shitton of people are still playing the game relative to fighting game numbers, making anon a double-retard for pretending that people wouldn't stick with the game when clearly they have.

>>717261905
If the other guy was talking about normalfaggots not sticking around to support the game steam charts is valid to use because that's indicating the amount of normalfags willing to support strive is already much higher than the amount of people in that hardcore player base that he said would support arcsys in the long run.

>>717261753
>less than a 10% retention
Not the win you think this is you mongoloid.

>>717263015
Which game are you referring to?

>>717240920
every single time, they cover up the girl. that’s their only design mandate, show less skin on the girls.
why???

>>717263162
It's less about the skin and more about throwing as much necessary overcomplicated bullshit into the design as possible.

>>717263015
But that's both games. If they both have that retention and strive's still at least 10 times larger while hitting 10k peaks or higher each dlc release then it is absolutely a win

>>717263162
Because when Strive was coming out videogames in the west were going through a boobs bad phase

>>717238651
This. As a Blazblue fan this would the best end for Guilty Gear.

honestly i'm just waiting for ranked to be added to get back into the game, the tower fucking sucks

>>717263015
Care to find a fighting game that's not SF or Tekken with better actual player counts 4 years into its life? Or do you not play fighting games?

>>717263418
Ah so whens the guilty gear dogshit tag game and failed gacha?

>>717263489
Yeah, but at least is not the mainline games.

>>717263542
No no bro. You're defending your games IP here. You can't just ignore that the last two blazblue games were an ultra babbymode tag slop with fucking RWBY characters and a gacha so bad the IPs frontman quit out of shame.

>>717263542
Anon the gacha was SUPPOSED TO BE a mainline and 100% canon game to continue the story but it failed so hard they immediately shut that shit down.

>>717263653
>>717263735
And that's a good thing! BB ended with Central Fiction anyway :)

>>717262010
>>717262093
>>717262653
Nta but a fall from 30k to a 2k but sometimes higher when a new character releases isn't good retention.

>>717238651
FPBP

>>717263957
So Elden Ring sucks then? A million players to a mere 50k. Oof as the kids say.

>>717263957
After 4 years in a fighting game, yes it fucking is retard. Do you want to try to do what the other cuck couldn't and find a fighting game that isn't street fighter or tekken with those sorts of player counts 4 years into its lifespan? Or are you going to stop replying too?

>>717238327 (OP)
GG was never good

>>717264081
>Elden Ring sucks
Yes but that's not our current argument.

>>717263957
It absolutely is when it is a fighting game man

>>717260126
more alive then boomer gg scenes

>>717241359
hi troon

>>717240878
Cap/cope

You can clearly see the effect of appealing to trannies on the numbers

>>717264625
By what metric?

>>717238651
So true. As long as trannies suffer it will be worth it

>>717264735
You mean the sales numbers that are record high for the series or the continued player count that is record high for the series?

FUCK man I just want dbfz 2

>>717264791
look at central farts entry numbers at evo compared to xturd or niggeR+

>>717264920
Cope more. It lost all momentum the moment it dropped tranny testament. You know it, they know it, I know it.

Well maybe you don't, you think you are a women and shove shit up your ass ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>717238327 (OP)
Good
Fuck Daisuke and Arcsys for being sellouts and betraying their original fans

https://files.catbox.moe/8ok36p.mp4

>My game having shit numbers compared to those bigger games means nothing.
>Oh that game has less numbers than MY game? Well, forget what I said before.
Seeing fighting game logic is always funny.

>>717265036
Okay now look at their player count charts.

>>717264110
>After 4 years in a fighting game
You seem to mistake normalfaggotry for the reason fighting games die, the reason why strive even had that peak is because it appealed to normies, and like any other game that does that it bleeds players the moment said normies move onto something else.

Tldr: strive was only popular because of normalfags and those left the game by now.

>>717238327 (OP)
Blaming Strive's state on le woke betrays your secondariness.

>>717265238

>>717265370
You forgot to include Strive.

>>717263957
I swear everyone who talks about Steam charts has the most asinine, retarded takes ever. Most games lose most of their players in ~3-4 months, it is normal

>>717265514
See >>717265310

>>717255315
they are not people

>saw this on sale the other day
>read reviews
>It's all trannies praising tranny characters

No thanks.

>>717265310
So you want to try to do what the other cuck couldn't and find a fighting game that isn't street fighter or tekken with those sorts of player counts 4 years into its lifespan? Or are you going to avoid the question again like a cuck?
Strive bled far less than any fighting game that isn't SF or Tekken and you keep pretending that's not the case because you hate that fact. So give me another fighting game that does better or shut the fuck up with your coping nonsense.

>>717265146
No anon, It got a significant bump from Testament, and got a MASSIVE spike in players from dropping the explicitly trannified Bridget. If what you're saying is true then players would have abandoned the game completely but instead it was their biggest month-to-month boost in the game's entire lifespan.

>>717238327 (OP)
>Guily Gear studios.
>"Sol, Ky... Given the ugly sales performances and low number of players, we are forced to start the transition so to gather other players. While Elephat and Ramlething... Yes, you will convert to Sunni Islam like Dizzy, so no more hamburgers..."
>"But the hamburgers are made of beef... Not pork."
>"ChocolateValenthing, you are vegan too... However, Bridget will be the new protagonist and she will fight the cyber-zombie-Rowling-gear. Ah, May will own a bara-bear from Mykonos. We will have new guest characters in order Kula Diamond from SNK but her autistic version; the indipendent and strong panda from Tekken, Bazz from Concord and Kaorin from Azumanga Daioh. Before closing the meeting, mister Daisuke Isasomething should you tell something to us and other shareholders."
>"Gotta reach out and grab the shady ticket. Don't miss the bus, it's the last ride out of town"

>>717265908
>the game that died after it went full tranny is actually a success
Cope. Ywnbaw

>>717265434
i said that blazblue is more popular than boomer goober gears

>>717266010
The game never died, and it got a huge increase in players from trooning Bridget. What is this revisionist history? You can look at the steam month-to-month numbers, retard. Check august 2022 when Tranny bridget was released. You gonna pretend that bridget being troon'd didn't break the board for months too?

>>717266150
No, it is dead and they know it. Strive is the final nail. They completely sold out not only the hardcore OGs by casualizing it, they also sold out the normies who bought in and spent 400 hours training only to be rugged. The few thousand trannies still playing it, that's it. That's all that's left to buy any if there new games. They know they can't pull a Jewish double rug again. The series is actually dead now and trannies killed it. No one wants to play GG because it's like saying you stalk Grinder

>>717240920
It's unironically a cute design.

>>717238327 (OP)
Hope they go bankrupt all together to be desu.

>>717266150
Anon, you are discussing with indians and bots that can't even play fighting games, everything is just an excuse to them to farm cultural war engagement to train AI. I'm not kidding or exaggerating, look how fast it replied to you with the same buzzwords, why do you think the IP counter is gone.

>>717266010
But it got bigger after Bridget and not even because of bridget. It's highest player peak and best attracting characters were the season 3 characters.

>>717266306
>dead
Those numbers are not dead for a fighting game, why did you come into a thread about games you know nothing about to spout your worthless opinion?
Please go find an actual fighting game not called "Street Fighter 6" or "Tekken 8" with better player counts. Then realize that nothing comes close, even though all of the games you thought up have been out for a fraction as long as Strive. Then stop replying like the other 4 retards else when they got to this point.

>>717266508
The english isn't shit enough for me to suspect that but it's possible it's a high-level pajeet.

>>717266091
Can you use non-buzzwords next time

>>717240131
really? i mean i'm not surprised, but really?

>>717265908
>>717264920
>>717240878
You are unironically delusional, tranny. I don't know a SINGLE person who doesn't think that the game is for legit faggots and don't want to touch it anymore. Not a SINGLE one. But I do know easily over a handful of super GG fans who used to suck Daisuke's cock no matter what they shit out, but slowly and surely all of them lost interest due to the tranny garbage. These days the only way they ever mention the game anymore is by posting pictures of top 8 results with tranny flags as countries for the players. It's off-putting for normal people. Yes, mechanics this and that, it's not the main factor when the game smells like an axe wound

These "MASSIVE" spikes that you talk about is exactly that, every tranny on the internet rushing to the game, even buying it, due to the small recognition they get and then after scaring normal people out, quit it immediately because they don't actually care, so only freaks are left. If I had to pinpoint, the final tipping point was around Testament's release, as other anon already said.
I know for a 100% fact that the game would be doing WAY better without the tranny shit. I could bet money on this, easily. Complete misfire from arcsys and detached from the playerbase which is par for the course for japanese fg devs. Look at what Capcom is doing with SF6. Hmm?

>>717239254
Them trying to make competitive less HAPPY CHAOS vs HAPPY CHAOS.

It's insane they didn't do a balance patch/nerf to him after like 2-3 Evos of nothing but Happy dominating.

But, that's what happens when you dumb down your Third Strike-clone-ish series and remove 50 subsystems to get casuals.

717266576
>tranny writes another cope essay
Kek game is so dead shitposting on /v/ is the only way to get interaction for a strive tranny

I just want my husband to get a new game...or at least put into Entropy Effect.

>>717266697
You don't know a single person period, you have no friends and no one likes you.

>>717261614
The only correct post in this thread.

>>717261753
>BUT IT BEAT XRD
No shit, Xrd was a late port.

>>717263957
For a fighting game 5 years in? That's insane retention.

Most die within a month.

>>717240878
I was a top 100 globally ranked Zato playing from launch until the announcement of Bridget being a tranny. I stopped playing completely. That's just a single data point suggesting you're wrong but maybe there's something to the claim that people didn't like open trans shit being pushed.

>only about 2000 playing right now
thats pretty dead

>>717266734
You going to find a fighting game not called SF or tekken that's doing better at the moment? There are plenty out at the moment.

>>717266697
Can YOU name a fighting game not called SF or tekken that's doing better than Strive at the moment? It seems to be an impossible task for the coping fags in this thread who insist the game is dead.

>>717266881
Is there a GG game before it that it didn't beat?

>>717266954
You 100% were garbage at the game and never had a chance to win a tourney to begin with, that's why excuses like that are so convenient for absolute losers like you.

>>717266675
No, not really, on release Bridget was the highest played character for pretty much the entire time until the next character released and still stayed in the top 5 long after that. The truth is that it's not at all uncommon for fighting game characters to release with useless moves and unless the move looks cool people just don't really care.

Why does Strive have a ton of defenders on here?

>your fighting game has no players because I cant jerk off to it enough!
So...every single fighting game ever has this problem then. Why single out GG?

>>717267039
I was definitely trash compared to the people competing seriously at Evo but I was definitely better than you were/are.

>>717261614
I'm actually surprised at how garbage is the whole game's presentation aside from the character models, I always liked the UI in the previous games

>>717267139
I don't play this game, my pont is that you are just bitter pathetic loser.

>>717267015
>Can YOU name a fighting game other than the only not-dead fighting games to prove that strive is not also dead

No I can't. You're right. All other games I would consider dead except those two you mentioned. Sad that Strive couldn't join them despite strong start. I wonder what happened to it :)

>>717267015
>Is there a GG game before it that it didn't beat?
>IS THERE A DAY-ONE RELEASE FOR THE SERIES BEFORE STRIVE THAT IT DOES--
Listen to yourself, Anon. You're a fucking retard.

>XX
Late port.
>XXX
Late port.
>XXX-Revision 2: #Reload[est] HD Remix
Late port.

None of the Guilty Gears before Strive was day-one PC. No shit they're going to have less players because Guilty players had to play on CONSOLES if they wanted day-one before Strive.

Comparing charts of LATE PORTS to a DAY ONE PC release title is fucking stupid, is my whole damn point.

Come back when Guilty Strive 2 happens, then we can talk about retention for Guilty on PC.

If you REALLY want to be pendentic, do DragonBall, IIRC DBZ Fighter was day-one on PC and the first Arc title for that.

Guilty Gear died right here.

>>717238327 (OP)
pretty doubtful they'll leave it behind considering its their best selling guilty gear ever

>>717239626
Japanese development philosophy has majorly changed over the last few years, back in the day a lot of smaller japanese devs were fine just breaking even and keeping themselves going, that philosophy has almost completely died out at this point though, its not enough that a game succeeds and sells well it has to continue to be a cash cow for the next 10 years down the line as well, if its not generating constant revenue its a flop, a game that breaks records on year one can still be a flop if the revenue stream dries up year two, part of this is to blame on constant updates but a lot of it is cultural as well people can't accept a game that isn't constantly monetized

>>717267217
You're right that I'm bitter that the Japanese developers caved to a western political fad so I don't get to play a game I thought was fun. I don't understand why that is so upsetting to you.

>>717267098
Because the people who shit on strive are genuinely mindbroken and delusional about it's clear success.

the worst part is that nothing gives me the same high as executing a successful buster in strive does. Strive Pot is the most fun FGC character i've ever played and he just had to be trapped in a shit game that slowly gets flooded by rainbow vomit...
I guess i am a fool

>>717267478
The game was a massive financial success but it lost many players due to the tranny/fag controversies. This is where you proceed to flail incoherently at this basic description of the reality we share.

>>717267275
So it's the genre that is dead save for 2 games in your opinion then, and Strive is the closest to not being dead by having 25-35% of Tekken's player count when Tekken has been out for less than half the time. At least you had the balls to admit you're a retard.
>I wonder what happened to it
It did enough right to be 3rd best in the genre 4 years out. If you knew anything about this genre you would know that players would sell their family into slavery to have Strive's numbers after 4 years but you don't play it.

>>717267296
So "no" with extra cope. None of the Guilty Gears before strive had its sales period.

>>717267575
It gained and kept more players than it lost. That was a good business move and /v/ cannot wrap their heads around that half a decade later.

>>717267098
Trooncord raid.

>>717267410
Nope you are bitter because you are a loser, but saying you are bitter because of something political is not personal, so it's easier for subhumans like you to cope and keep being a piece of shit. Tale as old as time.

>>717254424
>His Potemkin Buster is slow and has no range (unless you kara it which increases the startup and gives you "normal" range)
The shit you read on /v/.

>>717267736
So what's the deal? Everyone that plays fighting games that doesn't have an Evo trophy is a bitter loser? I guess you're probably right and that's a good incentive to not ever start playing this genre.

>>717267478
>So it's the genre that is dead save for 2 games in your opinion then
yes
>and Strive is the closest to not being dead
>closest to not being dead

hey we found some common ground!

>>717267575
^ this. i don't know why it's so hard for you to accept. strive could be way bigger, that's really it. now it's a game for literal faggots. the game is bottlenecking itself with the tranny shit, even fans who you'd expect to have high tolerance for shortcomings.

>>717267575
It literally didn't though. It kept the exact 2k-3k steam alone daily way after Bridget released and GAINED the most players it ever did way after Bridget released when Johnny, Elphelt and Slayer came to the point that it had higher averages daily constantly after any of those 3 came out.

>>717267902
99.99% of the population doesnt play this genre regardless of your politics. Almost every fighting game dies quickly. Except SF6, which also has a tranny lobby guy or something, so go figure.

>>717267992
>steamcharts
I do not accept Steam Charts as a proxy for sales/player numbers especially on a cross-platform cross-play title. Anyone who does and who continues to engage with you is a fucking retard and deserve the nonsensical shitstorm that you stir up with your incessantly incomplete numbersfagging.

>Ctrl + f Tekken
>15 results
>most are from the same exact person
Hmm, I wonder what about that game makes trannies go on melties from it.

Are people happy with the way Strive plays? I dropped the game at the start of S3, and check back in with every new character reveal to see that they've done nothing to make the gameplay any more appealing to me.

>>717263162
Legitimate question, out of these costumes which do you find sexiest?

>>717267987
So why does Strive have better numbers than every other fighting game besides the big 2? What's it doing right to boost its sales and player counts so much from its previous title and overtake other established IPs?

>>717268098
>I do not accept direct numerical month-to-month measurements of a game's player count on the largest digital sales front
So you're delusional, understood. What do you have as a better metric if you insist the game is dead? I need a laugh.

>>717244931
>Mutts are moving away from DEI
>Trans system IS STILL PANDERING TO THE SUBHUMANS AND THE FREAKS
I witnessed GG return only to be forgotten again thanks to the devs being actual retards

>>717268349
>here's a bad "metric"
>if you don't have a better metric then my "metric" is a perfect representation of reality
I don't have to give you a a better metric to tell you that yours is worth less than the electricity it takes to make the API calls.

>>717268098
Nigga someone posted it EVO numbers in the thread already. The game is also confirmed to have sold 3.5 million units. It's the best selling GG, it's the most popular one and in all likelihood it's the one that will last the longest. ArcSys has also been killing it with their other FGs (DBFZ, Granblue, Tokon).

Strive won. Get over it.

Humanity needs a restart button.

>>717267098
A game full of trannies and smashfags has an overlap with this site?! Say it ain't so!

>>717268203
But he isn't shit talking Tekken he's calling Tekken an example of a successful game with a high player count along with street fighter.

>>717268431
I'll ask again. What is your objective metric if you insist the game is dead, or if you insist anything at all related to player counts and how they are affected by different factors?

>>717268446
>can't follow two posts into a thread
Sad! Many such cases.

>GG thread
>Look inside
>SteamCharts thread
Make threads about player numbers ban worthy

>>717268417

>>717268695
If people stopped pretending the game isn't doing well for a fighting game(exceptionally well for an anime fighting game) then I'd stop proving them wrong. But /v/ is and will always be assblasted about this game.

>>717255830
Funny you post Hu Tao when that's Mihoyo's entire strategy. Lure the casuals in, have them spend a buck or two and leave forever while raping older players in the ass.

>>717268525
You probably think you're really smart by appealing to the "objectivity of numbers" but what your public school teachers forgot to tell you is that if you don't have any reason to believe the numbers represent reality by either being incomplete or incorrectly measured then there isn't much of a reason to care about them.

1. Your numbers are dogshit and likely misrepresent reality by being an incredibly small datapoint that measures one thing: concurrent players at a given time on a single platform.
2. I don't have to provide you with alternative metrics. I don't have any alternative metrics.
3. Since your metrics are worth nothing and I don't have any metrics at all, we're stuck arguing based on our own experiences and anecdotes. My experience and anecdotes are that everyone I know that played this game on release, including myself, have quit and moved on because of the tranny shit.

>>717268695
>someone says game lost its playerbase
>someone else posts direct evidence to the contrary
>somehow it's the second person that's at fault
This website is worthless.

>>717240920
She has a godtier muffin top.

>>717268805
>But /v/ is and will always be assblasted about this game
When you censor designs that were lewd, make game easier to play, and turn a character into a tranny, of course people are gonna be extremely upset.

>>717268417
>only to be forgotten again
It's the complete opposite of forgotten at this point man. Lucy, ranked and the reveal of a 5th season brought this shit into more of a massive spotlight than season 3 did.

>>717238327 (OP)
>Falling for a notorious clickbait site.

>>717268884
>my evidence is anecdotes
Hoooooly shit, find a bridge.

>>717269014
>my evidence is steamcharts
Hoooooly shit, find a rope.

>>717245079
Hes just gonna be the next reddit fag meme character like Nekoarc.

>>717238327 (OP)
They bet the farm on Dual Rulers taking off and it flopped hard

>>717269054
>no you CAN'T look at home many people are playing to asses the size of a game's playerbase because... YOU JUST FUCKING CAN'T

>>717269150
>bro you can totally cherry pick a single data point that we know with absolute certainty is incomplete and misses tons of relevant context and then run with whatever conclusion you want from that
that's not how it works friend

>>717268884
I'll read that garbage after you tell me in direct terms whether or not you have a better objective metric for how you can insist that the game is dead, or how you can insist anything about the game's player count and the trend thereof.
You can just say "I don't have one" instead of coping like mad. Then we can discuss whatever dogshit is in that post. A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice, or you can dance around it again.

>>717268947
It was really just the tranny one. If Daisuke came out and said full-throated in the dev backyard "bridget is a trap and will never be a tranny" then it would be /v/'s favorite darling game and there would be lobbies daily. You can say otherwise but you'd be lying to me and to yourself.

>pander to lgbt redditor fags
>your franchise that tries to be all edgy stylish and cool ends up with artworks like this

Sasuga Daisuke. Hope it was worth the good goy twitter points.

>>717268886
>direct evidence to the contrary
But it has lost a massive portion though?

>>717268947
>people

>>717269280
My metric that is better than Steamcharts is that the shit I took this morning. I'll get a picture for you next time I drop a big one in the toilet.

>>717267629
>None of the Guilty Gears before strive had its sales period.
Show me the console sales numbers for Xrd (not Revelator 2) to back that up. Because Xrd on Steam was a LATE PORT™.

Same as Accent Core. AC was ported to the FUCKING PSP before +R happened, as an example.

You're literally comparing LATE PORTS with a DAY ONE title. It's not "cope," it's being realistic. No shit the CAU is going to be lower for LATE PORTS than day one title.

>>717269318
So true bro. I pine for the days when we only had badass art like shitting dick nipples

>>717268525
i rely on the knowledge and foresight i gain by snorting whey protein and listening to 3 andrew tate videos at once, when i meditate i see truths you couldn't imagine, strive is dead tranny garbage it's as simple as that

>>717269280
>You can just say "I don't have one" instead of coping like mad
you're illiterate
>>717268884
>2. I don't have to provide you with alternative metrics. I don't have any alternative metrics.

>>717267575
It lost me because
>EpigOnlineSpyware.dll is REQUIRED to boot it unless you turn your network stack off to boot into the menus
Malware fighting game.

>>717269318
So is Unika supposed to be a girl or a guy? Or is it another guy thats "trans" or girl thats "trans" situation?
This is an actual question. I did not watch the anime, and I have not played Strive in over a year or two.
>That art
lol these people are obsessed with obesity and ugliness.

>>717269490
Unika is a girl. She's alternate reality Sin. Or Sins brother?

>>717267575
transgendered women (yes they are women) are keeping the game alive, that's why they're always in top 8s, what have YOU done, did YOU even buy the game? didn't think so

>>717269248
>muh single data point
Again, >>717268446

>>717269679
>girl
>brother
You did not answer my question.

>>717269436
"I don't have to provide you with one" is not the same thing as "I don't have one to provide you." It's the pussy passive-aggressive woman way of alluding to the fact that you're full of shit. Glad you finally copped to it fully. If you don't have a metric beyond "my friend didn't like it either" then concession accepted.

>>717269381
https://www.guiltygear.com/ggst/en/news/post-1636/
I'll show you the official source saying that Strive was the first title to sell 1 million and then it kept selling.

>>717269834
Sin's sister sorry. I'm ironically typing between games in Strive

>>717269280
>It was really just the tranny one. If Daisuke came out and said full-throated in the dev backyard "bridget is a trap and will never be a tranny" then it would be /v/'s favorite darling game and there would be lobbies daily. You can say otherwise but you'd be lying to me and to yourself.
kek no it wouldn't the krabbas who jerk off to femboys don't play fighting games

>>717240920
wtf that looks as if I drew that design and I charge 20 bucks per commission, couldn't they get a good artist instead? At least it's not "fuck it put her in a hoodie and call it a day"

>>717269490
She's a girl man. You haven't even looked at any of her renders or images with clear tits?

>>717269490
Unika is a girl and there's no question around it, people ship her with Bridget because of a couple interactions in the anime and in game

>>717269969
Men can have tits and vaginas too you fucking bigot.

>>717269845
How am I the one conceding? I agreed to argue with you on the only basis either of us has: anecdotes. You're the one pretending that Steam Charts is a valid proxy for all of the information that actually matters in determining whether or not a game is a success or failure. Oh, and by the way, let's not lose the thread here:
>The game was a massive financial success but it lost many players due to the tranny/fag controversies
The game isn't dead. The game absolutely did lose thousands of players over the tranny/fag controversy. No, I'm not saying that it lost thousands of concurrent players measured by Steam Charts. Read the words I posted and respond to them, not your headcanon or what you think I'm trying to say.

>>717269941
i might play it if it had a fun beat em up mode like judgment did, i played that as brisket because she's a funny airhead bimbo

>>717269969
This design was so close to being good. The off the elbows jacket and anime gun/sword/bike thing are cool. But the dorky haircut, jacket2 and boots ruin it.

>>717269904
No problem. Was just confused.
>>717269969
I genuinely have not seen anything more than one or two screenshots.
I also am not sure I'd take "tits" as a defining thing at this point given who they are pandering to. But its nice to know that it is actually a girl.
>>717269986
Every "ship" with Bridget is a straight one with a lesbian flag photoshopped into the background. Funny desu.

>>717267098
I thought people were just overreacting but after seeing this thread the tranny invasion seems to be real

>>717238327 (OP)
The game reeks LGBTP shit
People don’t want to play gay games

>>717270138
>The game absolutely did lose thousands of players over the tranny/fag controversy
The game lost more players to the balance patches and system mechanics
I see less people bitch about Sol canonically losing Dragon Install both in lore and in gameplay than faggots "caring" about Bridget's pronouns

>>717269941
Yeah and the culture warrior faggots on this site didn't give a shit about harry potter either until buying and playing it became a roundabout way to shit on trannies, then suddenly it got really popular here. There is a sizable subset of this board that uses videogames as a vehicle for their political affiliation and they would play it regularly just to be seen doing so.

>>717270138
I'm saying that steam charts is a valid metric to look at a game's trending population, even if it doesn't capture 100% of the players. It's representative and you'll pretend otherwise because it doesn't match your headcanon.
>it lost thousands of players because of the tranny
It gained a huge spike of players because of the tranny though. Look at the August 2022 bump when tranny bridget dropped. Did the players go DOWN, or did they go UP? Was the change SMALL, or was it HUGE compared to other character releases during that time? You prefer anecdotes because you lock your perception to sources and people that agree with you.

>>717270138
>The game absolutely did lose thousands of players over the tranny/fag controversy.
Dude no one that actually played old GG gives a shit about Bridget. She's a fucking meme character and always has been.

>>717238327 (OP)
clickbait article Daisuke said guilty gear will continue when he wants it to also there never was a new guilty gear game in development.

>>717270496
>She

>>717238327 (OP)
Should've added Becca instead of Lucy

>game has cool aesthetics
>SEX 'n ROCK 'N ROLL
>soulful indie rock straight from Daisuke's garage
>metal men, robot(s), undead freak, cool guitarist bitch, hell yeah
>fast forward to 2025
>new characters: tranny, faggot, tranny, onions-faggot, faggot
>half the mechanics removed for casuals
....
>U-U-UHMM BUT THE... SSSSALES NUMBERS!!! ACKSHUALLY THE PLAYER COUNT!!!!!
>TT-T-THE SUCCESSS STORY ACKSHUALLY!!!!!

literally who the fuck cares you obnoxious, retarded idiot, the point here is that the game is yassified! to the point of being unrecognizable and repulsive for normal people, who could otherwise like it, and who by the way this board mostly consists of when it comes to Guilty Gear. fuck off to twitter or the discord you came from. if this is ragebait then you got me good

>>717270356
I was cool with them absolutely gutting my main and I quit because of Bridget. There are other people in this thread and every single thread about Strive since Bridget happened saying the same thing. I don't know what else to tell you. People didn't like the tranny shit. It didn't kill the game but it definitely hurt it. It's that simple.
>>717270463
>I'm saying that steam charts is a valid metric to look at a game's trending population
It's not a valid metric to determine whether or not players quit because of the tranny shit. Full stop.
>>717270496
It doesn't matter how many times you repeat this, it's obviously false.

>>717270668
>>I was cool with them absolutely gutting my main and I quit because of Bridget.
damn nigga you a bitch

>>717270746
>quitting a video game because your character got nerfed is good but quitting because they're transing the kids is bad
big think

>>717270356
Not that anon, and I cannot speak for others, but from a personal standpoint, I have not played the game since Aug. of 2022, specifically because of the stupid Bridget shit.

>>717270619
Please ignore the trooncord raiders, they're only here to defend the game even though they've never played it.

>>717239486
>I kinda just accepted that this series outgrew me
How did it outgrow you?
More like you outlived it.
It's fucking dead Jack.
The looney troons killed it just like they kill themselves.

>>717270619
fell for a clickbait article award retard

>>717270463
>Yeah and the culture warrior faggots on this site didn't give a shit about harry potter
I actually really like the movies. And my gf always liked the books too. The game was very neat if you liked HP even a little growing up. I enjoyed it.

>>717270668
>it's not when it comes to the tranny
But you can see that the players spiked hard in a postiive way for tranny bridget and the game maintained a stable population for years afterwards. So yes it clearly is a valid metric for determining the effect of tranny bridget launching. If the steamcharts numbers tanked you'd be screaming about them right now but because they contradict your personal delusions you want to throw them out.

>>717270527
The point of the article is that they won't be able to support the game if 2.0 is not a success, meaning they are losing money by adding content to it now since there is not enough people playing it to buy it anymore. It's what happens when you put tranny shit in your game.

>>717270619
I noticed that a lot of japs seem to either bow down to Twitter activist backlashes (Suda 51 for all that tranny drama a few years ago) or get a high from activist praise on social media. I unironically think shit like recent GG was partially because Daisuke was on Twitter a few times too often and is now after the sweet praise from activists.

>>717238327 (OP)
>the best game in the series will end it all
They should pull a Blizzard and announce that Sol is gay now or something. I bet the new audience it got will love that.

>>717238651
fpbp

>>717270619
>game has cool aesthetics
>SEX 'n ROCK 'N ROLL
GG had that aesthetic for maybe one game, otherwise GG has always been packed to the brim with a bunch of weird anime bullshit that GGfags would swear for the longest time wasn't actually anime unlike that weeb BB shit. The actual aesthetic that you're longing for is 90's anime which you're not going to get because it isn't the 90's anymore.

>it's another smelly turd worlder /pol/ies seethe about cute trans girls episode
le sigh, back to r/videogames

>>717270918
Anon it doesn't matter how many times you try to tell me that Steam Charts matter for this discussion. They don't fucking matter. It's an incomplete data point which misses an enormous amount of context that is sorely needed to make an objective or "numbers-based" evaluation of the impact that tranny shit had on the game. It's a useless metric no matter how many times you scream "NUH-UH". If you feel otherwise that's fine, enjoy the comfort of your objective and rational big boy smart numbers.

>>717270193
I like the Kurt Cobain jacket.

>>717270953
Only bots like yourself still care what happens on the botfarm known as xitter

I think it'd be more accurate to say that it lost old fans and then they were replaced by the new tranny fans it has now, which is why the numbers go "up" but it also "lost fans"
>>717270953
Maybe but also the FGC has been full on pozzed for years and years, probably because you'd need to be autistic to be that invested in it and autists tend to be the types who troon out, so he might've also recognized that most westerners in the FGC are a bunch of trannies now and pandered to that.

>>717270927
lol retard dexerto clickbaited you there wont be another gg game until daisuke wants it the future of the series does not hinge on 2.0 also there was never a sequel in development another lie

>>717238327 (OP)
Makes me think of Monster Hunter Wilds for some reason.

>>717270906
You're not the faggots I'm referring to. The faggots I'm referring to are election tourists who probably hated HP 10 years ago because lefties were comparing trump to voldemort but did a 180 on it because trannies hated Rowling and screeched about the game.

>>717271047
What is needed to make a "numbers-based" evaluation of the impact of the tranny character is to see how the release of the tranny character influenced player numbers. Guess what asshole? They spiked hard positively and the game stayed stable for years. Relying on nothing but anecdotes because the numbers disagree with you is "nuh-uh" of the highest caliber and you want to reduce both sides to that in spite of things like EVO participation and player populations on steam because you know that every measurement besides you and the people shitting themselves on 4chan and in your friend group shows that the game is stable and was helped along by tranny bridget.

>>717270918
>If the steamcharts numbers tanked you'd be screaming about them right now but because they contradict your personal delusions you want to throw them out.
I didn't read this on the first take but couldn't help myself. No, I wouldn't. Might be impossible for you to believe that someone on /v/ can be consistent, but if the Steam Charts numbers did support my argument from a naive observation I would absolutely not lower myself to using them as a datapoint. Steamcharts posting should be a bannable offense on /v/ and /vg/ with zero exceptions.

>>717271186
>dexerto clickbaited
It's a fucking interview, you fucking retard

>>717270953
Most Japanese are pretty kind and nice people, and generally non-confrontational, so weaponizing empathy works well on them.
Its exactly how that shit got big here. People want to be kind to others, especially those they think are being stepped on.
They just don't realize how subversive that ideology is, to use their kindness against them in the long run.
>>717271016
Nah, GG was always anime, thats part of what I liked. Anime meeting metal was a pretty cool mix.
>>717270193
I like her boots desu. The only issue I have with the design is her hair. Should be longer.
>>717271115
>Maybe but also the FGC has been full on pozzed for years and years
It does seem like this is slowing a little bit thankfully. But I can't say for certain.

>>717270918
>But you can see that the players spiked hard in a postiive way for tranny bridget
So you're saying Bridget troonshit was trendchasing, and not an actual fanbase spike, and like any superficial trend it died out because troons don't keep to anything for long, or live for long for that matter, so now the game died after the long-term fans were driven out by a temporary trend-seeking surge which was never fated to hold on.

How many times must we see this same phenomena unfold for the past 15 years before brainless retards like yourself stop trying to gaslight the same shitty non-arguments over and over again?
Oh look, MTG is gonna make a K-Pop Demon Shit deck to YET AGAIN artificially and inorganically attempt to conjure a female audience out of thin air; the result will be a surge in K-pop only deck sales as shelf dust-piling gimmicks, and but the actual game population will remain crippled, and more long-term fans will be driven off by the cringe, leading to yet another long-term shitter shatter just like what happened with D&D 5th Edition.
There should be a name for such mental illness you hold, in combo with short memory.

>>717270619
>new characters: tranny, faggot, tranny, onions-faggot, faggot
What the fuck are you talking about? The new characters in Strive are big titty brown tomboy, a fat glowie, a giga nigga, a girl on a bike and smurf Jesus.

>>717239851
Im just going to ignore your post

>>717238651
this

>>717271302
>You're not the faggots I'm referring to
Fair
I didn't hate HP, but I did think that lefties screeching about trump being Voldemort constantly was actually fucking retarded.
Funny how people wanted them to just read another book, and now they hate JKR/Harry Potter lol.

>>717248327
>20+ years of GG games
>the game's story has concluded
>it's been a comparatively niche product in the fighting game world
Wow, I can't believe this might be the end for the Guilty Gear saga. Seriously though, this has never been a huge cash cow property, and the team probably wants to move on from it already now that they can say it's wrapped up.

>>717271302
I get what you're saying anon, I really do. My perspective is that a bad (by nature of incompleteness or demonstrable falsehood, here we're talking about incompleteness) metric is worse than no metric. You disagree. We're not going to find common ground on this fundamental disagreement.

>>717238327 (OP)
>>717238651
So what they're saying is, now is the perfect time for people to campaign and make sure it fail?

>>717271027
My favorite part is when they complain about the game being casualized but are terrible at it and can't even beat the said "casuals" that play it, or when they say "normal" people don't play this game like they are normal people or the culture of this website was always in side with normies, it's absolutely ridiculous.

>>717271345
>so now the game died
nta but Strive is still very active

>>717271083
The problem is there are multiple characters that have these oversized jackets for their design now. She looks redundant and kinda generic in a game that used to be known for their out there and unqiue designs

>>717271314
>No, I wouldn't.
Of course you would anon, because it would be an anecdote. And you have explicitly said you base your opinion here on anecdotes. Fucking idiot.

>>717271345
The game is doing well for a fighting game 4 years out, it did not die by fighting game standards.
https://evo.gg/news/evo-2024-competitors-by-the-numbers

>>717271519
Your perspective is "I will filter out any anecdote that doesn't conform to my belief because I'm a faggot." The fundamental disagreement is that you won't look at anything that disagrees with your view because you're buttblasted that a tranny inclusion didn't immediately torpedo a game this time as opposed to the hundred other times it did.

>>717271324
dexerto was the one that spread the bs about a cancelled guilty gear game I dont trust them at all it depends on whether daisuke wants more guilty gear

>>717271626
You replied to me twice and argued with a strawman that you constructed in both posts. I don't like the conceded meme very much, but you're not giving me many options for my response.

>>717271207
because you're a mentally ill polfag

>>717270953
>I unironically think shit like recent GG was partially because Daisuke was on Twitter a few times too often
lmfao and i've unironically thought the exact same many times. i've literally envisioned daisuke smiling at the tranny fan art on twitter and feeling super popular and then doubling down on that direction and it's exactly what's happened.
in general the lgbt world/pandering seems enticing to japanese devs because they don't fully understand it due to language barriers AND because they don't understand how fucking one-sided the internet is (or was) regarding this all. Final Fantasy XIV is another great example of this phenomenon.

>>717239487
Trannies kill everything they touch

>>717271345
>now the game died
They literally just announced new characters. In fact they're putting Robo-Ky by popular demand when they obviously weren't planning to because he's part of Venom's intro/outro and toolkit.

It's the opposite of dying.

>>717271770
What about MHWilds is pol?

>>717251206
I don't play fighting games but I find this shocking. Japan was seen as a bastion for them. What happened, people fucked off to gatcha's?

Street Fighter 6 has classic costumes for all characters, I can get gameplay changes because it's a new game but what's their excuse for them to not release an alt with their old costumes? Is not the tech because people make hundreds of mods and Granblue Versus has uncensored alts for the characters and like 8 or 9 costumes.
I fucking hate how Elphelt looks and plays, at least let me change one of those things

>>717271758
You said you go off anecdotes and an imcomplete data point is an anecdote. If an anecdote is in your favor on a subject and you argue on anecdotes then you would probably use it. You can say otherwise but you haven't shown that to be how you operate.
The only player numbers we have access to show it as stable, doing better than other fighting games that share that platform's data point(you conveniently forget this but you'll handwave that too), and that it has a large hardcore fan following in the way of people who care enough to get really good at the game and compete at EVO. You meanwhile, say your friends didn't like it. Wow, convincing.

>>717239626
It is financially successful. But everyone who might have been interested in Strive bought it by now. Unless you're a gacha game milking a few mentally whales for an entire decade, you need a steady supply of newcomers to justify continued support.

>>717271735
>dexerto was the one that spread the bs about a cancelled guilty gear game I dont trust them
AGAIN, it's a fucking INTERVIEW.
>“It depends on how we perform,” he admitted. “If we fail during this next update, then we might not have a chance. But we are trying to make the game at the best quality. I’m hoping people will like it, and if we’re able to get enough support, we might be able to continue longer and longer.”
It's literally a QUOTE holy shit.

>>717272057
Just keep her classic costume it in a mod folder to use. I don't say this to excuse the developers but to solve your problem of hating how Elphelt looks and wanting to change that on your screen. They should release it on the platform themselves and make it gameplay-unlockable like in SF6 but if you want to see classic Elphelt when you play Strive then you can very easily do that.

>>717272057
Seeing them add costumes in GBFVR made me wonder the same thing honestly.
I actually like (most of) the new designs even, but seems dumb/lazy to not have some of the more iconic classics.

>>717271083
Yeah that jacket is good. I mean the other, smaller jacket she's wearing underneath it

>>717272112
>You said you go off anecdotes
Strawman. I said neither of us have metrics that are valid to the conversation at hand which leaves us with nothing but anecdotes to discuss.
>If an anecdote is in your favor on a subject and you argue on anecdotes then you would probably use it
If the anecdote is relevant I'll use it, sure. That's how argumentation works.
>The only player numbers we have access to show it as stable, doing better than other fighting games that share that platform's data point(you conveniently forget this but you'll handwave that too), and that it has a large hardcore fan following in the way of people who care enough to get really good at the game and compete at EVO. You meanwhile, say your friends didn't like it. Wow, convincing.
Literally not a single word you said here contradicts anything I have said. Please help me understand your position:
>Strive did not lose players because of the tranny shit.
>Strive may have lost players because of the tranny shit but it doesn't matter because it gained an equal or greater number of players at the same time.
>something else that you'll expand on
If it's #1 you're a fucking retard, if it's #2 then you and I don't even have a fucking contradiction in our positions, and if it's #3 you need to learn how to communicate because we're deep into this thread now and you never made your point.

>>717272057
There was a recent panel where they said they're not completely closed to doing costumes, might come with 2.0

>>717238327 (OP)
I don't care about this, I don't care about fighting games in general.
I am just here to say it's because the trannies

Take this flowchart garbage to the graveyard already. Can't imagine anything more mind-numbing than playing strive seriously. No wonder all strive fans are dipshits. It's like a lobotomy in the game format.

>>717272475
What are your thoughts on the israel-palestine conflict? Do you support palestine or israel?

>>717272379
You're not saying anything at this point dude. Stop posting.

I hope this 2.0 shit is free I'm done buying Super Ultra Hyper Mega Editions of fighting games

>>717268248
7 and 8

>>717272578
You are shit at Xrd too

>>717272589
Nuance!?! On my video game imageboard? It's more likely than you think!

>>717272587
I think every single jew needs to be exterminated as they are an antihuman cabal of desert vampires.
I hate trannies because they fell for jewish tricks, if they decide to hate on them I will ignore the trannies.

>>717272578
What fighting game isn't flowcharty?

>>717272692
This is just complete pedantry, not nuance. Stop wasting time.

>>717271525
>campaign
its already dying, there is no need to do anything, is not like are trying anything different or new, they are going to do the exact same thing they have been doing which is what killed the game

>>717255378
Robo-ky was amazingly interesting what the fuck are you talking about
>Entirely different super meter with an interesting, albeit kind of shit install
>Heat Mechanics that changed the properties of each move
>Buttons entirely different from regular Ky
>One of the more mechanically complex characters in the series

Robo-Ky was fucking cool as shit and had an interesting playstyle

>>717272721
I agree brother. Free palestine!

>>717272653
Yeah, and then I'm celestial in strive. I wonder why. Maybe because it's a baby game. Better be shit in a good game than a victor in a kusoge.

>>717272778
the ones I like

>>717272578
*6Ps this post*

>>717271807
>in general the lgbt world/pandering seems enticing to japanese devs because they don't fully understand it due to language barriers
Pretty sure its also a cultural misunderstanding. 2 cute girls hugging each other is seen as something cute in a lot of cases for japanese people while western retards see it as a clear sign that they must be lesbian. Just look at the whole Bayonetta/Jeanne shit. Or as you mentioned FFXIV with Ryne and that gothgirl chick.

Same with stuff like traps, a common trope for DECADES in japanese media that was always more some funny/quirky thing and, obviously, a fetish for some. Now japanese media got popular and characters like Bridget somehow became trans icons. Shit sucks man. Fuck social media, at the end of the day it just got downhill so hard because retards suddenly got a voice.

>>717272792
You realized that you were arguing with a strawman you erected in your mind the entire time instead of the posts you were engaging with and can't just say "lol my bad"?

>>717272379
>Strawman
Incorrect. For this topic specifically, you said that you're going off anecdotes.
>if it's relevant
Player population changes on a large digital platform for the game would be relevant, which is not the same as 100% complete and perfect.
>help me understand your position
You say that Strive lost players due to the tranny character. Every number you can find shows that the tranny character was popular and spiked the population of the game when released, and the game's population did not tank afterwards but instead stayed stable for much much much longer than your average fighting game. Here's another anecdote for you.
https://www.guiltygear.com/ggst/en/news/post-2013/
A year later, Bridget was the most popular character in the game by their poll. Don't know if that's relevant for you though since you're a fucking idiot.
My point is that every measurable bit of information beyond you and your 3 friends not liking the tranny character shows that tranny bridget was popular both on release and a year down the line, and the game's population stayed stable throughout.
So we have
>player count spiking for tranny character, much more so than during other characters that year
>player count staying stable after tranny character's release
>huge fanbase of dedicated palyers going by EVO entries
>player survey a year after tranny character's release that showed tranny character being the most popular
And you have
>wahh me and my 3 friends didn't like it
These are not the same. You try to make these the same and they aren't because you are dishonest.

>>717272894
I'm not even the dude you're arguing with, just someone suffering from second hand embarrassment. Stop.

>>717272991
>NO, HERE'S WHAT YOU SAID
>it doesn't matter if you quote exactly what you said in this thread, I will ignore it and keep arguing with my strawman
Okay, you're forcing my hand: I accept your concession.

>>717272817
>online rank

>>717272813
>fireball
>air fireball
>DP
>forward moving special
>command grab
>command dash
Wow bro such fun I've never played a fighting game character like this before. The gauge sucked ass man. Robo-Ky feels like you're playing a shitty Sol who has to sit on a rug for half the match otherwise bad things happen. Reflected by his abysmal usage stats. If I see one online in +r I know I'm about to fight a redditor who has no clue what he's doing.

>>717272778
You should start playing the good ones, ken masher.

>>717272828
>>717273154
...which are?

>>717273085
>desperate cope

>>717273138
He has low usage stats because he is a niche character with unique properties. A lot of which hold him back but there is enough there to make playing him cool as fuck and rewarding, his skill ceiling is absurdly high even by guilty gear standards. There is no better character to fill the niche than the weird robotic clone character

>>717273073
EVO entries are not a valid metric for long-term serious interest in a game? Player opinion polls done by an official source are not a valid metric for evaluating the popularity of a tranny character's inclusion? Comparison of Strive vs other fighting games across the same data point of steam charts is not a valid metric of comparing fighting game populations? Player data changes in a large digital platform for a game are not a valid metric for evaluating a DLC character's popularity?
Right you don't want to deal with any of that so that we can come to an even playing field of "well gosh darn I guess we just have a fundamental disagreement here huh?" so that you can save face because you are a retard.

>>717273250
Blazblue and original GG are good. A game is good when you can recognize an opponent not looking at his name. Ancients call it "player expression", a forbidden art now.

>>717273250
it's [niche fighter with less than 300 players]

>>717273138
>If I see one online in +r I know I'm about to fight a redditor who has no clue what he's doing.
Have fun getting raped by Dr. Stormlocke

>>717261753
>Nothing killed it because it's not dead by fighting game numbers
It's definitely dying, literally just look at OP.

>>717273480
Bro I played Nine in that BB. Forget about the name, I'm not looking at the character, or even what they're doing. You're getting put in a combo from wherever, then I'm ending that combo with a restand into incoming 50/50.

>>717273445
It's important to remember what you're arguing about since the goalposts keep moving:
>The game was a massive financial success but it lost many players due to the tranny/fag controversies
You're arguing about whether or not the overall number of "people" engaging with the game went down. I was, am, and will continue to discuss whether or not thousands of players quit when the Bridget Brigade began. This does not exclude the possibility of new players coming in during sales and sitting in lobbies to ERP.

>>717272379
well said and articulated post completely swept under the rug by the delusional strive tranny.

>>717272589
if at least a handful of different people in this single thread have voiced that they're uninterested in the game due to tranny shit, is it completely out of the question or incomprehensible that maybe this reaction is more common that you give it credit for and it could actually hurt the game, even by a lot considering that the fg playerbase is small to begin with? why is that so difficult for you to accept?
>B-B-BUT IT'S STILL A SUCCESS STORY BY METRICS AND THE SALES!!!
awesome, but you have to be legit out of touch retard if you think the game is taken even a fraction as seriously as the other, more popular fighting games. it's unironically a Leffen-tier game. it could be worse (a sonicfox game), but still, it's like you don't even WANT to imagine that the game could be even more successful if it didn't shoot itself multiple times with the faggotry.

>>717273442
How? All his tools are extremely standard shit. It's not rewarding either because the character is universally considered a low tier. You're working twice as hard to meet the level of a basic bitch Ky. That's not a fun low tier.

>>717272813
adding to this when robo ky was introduced in GG Isuka I believe and there he was the "Kirby" of the game, being able to copy numerous animations from opponents while also adding some robo ky flare to them. Real shame we dont have this in +r

https://youtu.be/2XemtnJ_5pk

...

>>717272876
>Bayonetta/Jeanne
why'd you have to remind me

>>717273798
/v/ is a bubble of retards like yourself that don't play videogames, and when they do, (especially if they are competitive) they get destroyed and come to this board to cry anonymously, because in every other place they would be called out for it

>Bridget's story started as a boy who was forced by his parent to dress up as a girl to prevent the town from lynching him
>His life's mission is to prove that he can be manly despite his upbringing, which is why he travel the world as a bounty hunter
>Now his character is a grooming victim who are celebrated by average Xitters and Leddits
kek

>>717273690
You will recognize my Hakumen by how I fumble my shitty counters. Or position of my Bang's nails before I die hopelessly.

>>717238327 (OP)
Guilty Gay Strive

>>717273713
The thing is that you have nothing to point to your viewpoint even happening besides "well um 5 friends of mine didn't like that no sir."
Until you can mind-read opinion poll anonymously every single former and current Strive player, you're not going to get a 100% accurate data point. But I listed all of those other things pointing towards
>tranny bridget being a popular inclusion when polled by Arcsys
>tranny bridget increasing the player population
>it staying stable for a lot longer than fighting games that didn't troon out an old character
>it having huge a hardcore following at major events
None of these things alone tell you 100% for sure one way or the other, the same way seeing a machine with an engine, four wheels, a steering wheel, and the ability to move you from point A to point B is 100% for sure a vehicle, but they all point towards that together even if they are insufficient alone.
And you just say "yeah me and my retard friends think that's not a car, it's a cat or something." That's how dumb you sound.

>>717274138
>doesn't address a single argument
>low quality insults based on feels
Are you just looking for this to devolve into SAARs posting? What is your motivation here?

>>717274083
But I thought trannies hated billionaires who go out and beat the homeless?

>>717274186
>Guilty Gear
>Story

>>717274267
What's the argument? That /v/ hates trannies so maybe everyone does? That's not an argument worth much addressing. Just "no I don't think so because the game is doing better than non-tranny'd fighting games half its age."

>>717274254
Okay, so your argument is that it's literally impossible for 1000 people to have quit Strive because of Bridget and for 1500 people to have started playing Strive because of Bridget?
>no that's not what I said
Considering you're STILL not engaging with the content of any of my posts and instead continuing to argue with a position that you have constructed in your own head this is all you deserve.

>>717238327 (OP)
>Game dies
>Potemkin just remains a menace
Between Strive and +R, this franchise can burn to a crisp and I'm still a happy man.

>>717274186
His only mission was to disprove the village superstition that twins were bad luck thoughbeit.

>>717273690
Yes nine is braindead to play thank you for your input

>>717274138
i just told you that strive is not taken as fraction as seriously as the other fighting games (which you didn't refute, thankfully, so maybe there's still hope for you), and i was also speaking from my own perspective. got myself to celestial with Ky right as the game came out and thought i'd come back and be more active if it stays very popular or cool shit gets added. neither happened, and what happened is grim. pretty much my entire circle of fighting game friends (many of who are arcsys fans) shares the same story. i actually think that only trannies and freaks still play the game actively and that's what it looks like.

>>717274267
I'm not insulting you I'm just stating reality, I've seen this happen too many times, but I understand why would you take that as an insult

They will drop it to focus on Tokon.

More like Guilty Queer Lmao.

>>717274186
Weird how often these trannies respond to the same posts with the same typing patterns, almost like they know we know it's a shitty raid.

>>717240920
>Jam finally got her money
>Turned her perfect meat bun boobies into flat pancakes
Ew. Pirating that DLC lmao

>>717274314
Batman is white supremacy in action.

>>717242074
>they can't spend time in the game besides playing,
Fishing. You don't play the game.

>tokon will be finnaly the game that kills strive
Thank god...it took 5 years

>ruin the game and drive off their fanbase
OH NO WHAT HAPPEN??
(many such cases)

>>717274402
My arguement is that everything that is observable that you won't address at all point towards more people joining and staying because of tranny bridget than people have left because of tranny bridget. How do you not understand that?
>the content of my posts
The content of your posts is just that you refuse to look at the metrics I have laid out, and pretend that there are no metrics valid to the conversation so we just HAVE to go by anecdotes.
Valid metrics:
>EVO entries
>official opinion polls showing tranny character as most popular
>player spikes on a large digital platform when tranny character released
>followed by stable populations for much much much longer than fighting games that didn't troon out a character for DLC release

You say there are no valid metrics so we MUST go by anecdotes. I show you many valid metrics that all point towards my point, and all you have is "me and my 3 friends said no."

>>717274686
According to them, so why are they using him to defend strive?

>>717274765
>finnaly
>...
Strive haters outing themselves to be ESL children

>>717274765
>Marvel game after many people have been wanting another MvC
>Made by FighterZ team
>Girls have attractive outfits so far
Is the music in the closed beta trailer Daisuke though?

>>717274875
They aren't the brightest.
>>717274765
Lol wtf is this video?

>>717274267
>nooooooooo why isn't everyone agreeing with me and falling for OP fake need, this has to be a discord raid!!????
You are such a fucking subhuman it's unbelievable, mentally you are no different from a redditor where everywhere has to be their safe space, just viler and dumber

>>717239626
>alienate the core audience for the benefit of casuals
>casuals do what casuals do best: immediately hop onto the new trend and leave the old behind
>now you have a pile of shit on your hands and an angry core audience
by the 30s developers will have learned this lesson, GG and fighting games are not shit like pokemon where the brand is strong enough to pull millions of niggercattle for free, they actually have to appease their audience.

>>717274765
>finnaly

>>717274765
>only arcsys can defeat themselves
Deep

I dont care if the game is successful or not.
That Jam redesign is a crime.
I'd begrudgingly accept if they toned the panty shots down a little because of >current year
But that thing is not Jam.

>>717274630
>nooooooooo why isn't everyone agreeing with me and falling for OP fake news, this has to be a discord raid!!!!!!!!
You are such a fucking subhuman it's unbelievable, mentally you are no different from a redditor where everywhere has to be their safe space, just viler and dumber

>>717275002
Retard

>>717274839
You can just go yell at the wall anon. It'll be as effective as continuing to pretend that you're arguing with me without contradicting my position.
>that you won't address at all point towards more people joining and staying because of tranny bridget than people have left because of tranny bridget
I never contradicted this. Hell, the post you're responding to says:
>1000 people to have quit Strive because of Bridget and for 1500 people to have started playing Strive because of Bridget
You're still arguing with what you want my position to be instead of my actual position. My actual position is
>The game was a massive financial success but it lost many players due to the tranny/fag controversies
Nothing about this contradicts your position. You're reading that statement and then drawing your own conclusions about what I mean when what I really mean is exactly what I'm saying and nothing more.
>>717275002
>if you do anything but sling shitposts and steamcharts numbers you're a redditor
stay mad retard, you're so limp-dicked that you didn't even try to engage and instead sat on the sidelines and cried

>>717275143
Way to prove my point.

>>717275119
I "mostly" like it personally, but the torpedo tits need to come back, and she should lose the glasses entirely. I say this as someone who generally finds glasses to be very cute.

>>717274765
Anon they are completely different games like strive and rising and arc will be working on both at the same time. Either way strive lasting for 6 years or more like SF and Tekken , and longer than Xrd is a testament to it's success and tells arcsys everything regarding strive was the right decision.

>>717275251
sure thing subhuman schizo
funny thing that this is a "raid" yet we are still a small minority itt and it's still triggering the hive
that's cause truth always prevails ;)

It’s astonishing that /v/ and twitter are so fucking retarded that they’ll actually fall for Dexerto clickbait

>>717275005
But strive has consistently kept it's usual playerbase size the entire time it's been and consistently kept it's spot as the 4th most popular fighting game out the entire time. That's the opposite of trend hoppers and more of a dedicated large playerbase.

>>717275265
Lose the glasses and redraw the entire face since it's simply not Jam. It's way to squished together to look like her. It looks like someone cosplaying Jam.
Also there is something weird about her hairdo that I cant put my finger on. It feels like it's too far forward.

>>717275668
>redraw the entire face
That too.
I just think the outfit is actually pretty cool, personally. But yeah lose the glasses, fix the breasts and face.

>>717275535
Thank you for admitting that you're one of the raiders, unironically.

>>717275197
>ackshually, my implication with that statement was NOT that the tranny character's inclusion was harmful to the game's population, just that some people left
I don't believe you.
It is patently obvious that the point I have been making since the beginning is that tranny bridget's inclusion was popular and led to the game's success. If this was never in contradiction to your original post's implications then you would have typed something similar to the post that I'm responding to a long time ago instead of shitting yourself repeatedly about any metric that I could bring up that would support the positive influence of the tranny character's inclusion. You are either being a dishonest worm or you have such crippling autism that you couldn't parse out that what I was explicitly arguing for and what was an obvious implication of your original post were what was in contention.
If you want to save face by pretending that you never implied that the tranny character's inclusion hurt the game's population then have at it, I will accept your concession with grace.

>>717275960
>I argued with my headcanon for an hour and am just now coming to grips with the fact that people actually mean what they say instead of what I want to inject into their points
>Therefore, I accept your concession.
I took issue with you trying to pretend Steam Charts are a valid metric and put you on blast for it. You can try to spin you reading your own psychosis into my words as me "losing" but that's just not how this works.

>>717238327 (OP)
is 3.5 million players not enough for you faggots? i swear the japanese are becoming the asian jews of the east even more so than the chinese

>>717275646
Anon this entire thread is retards who don’t play fighting games latching onto a clickbait article that goes with their conformation bias.
To them, Strive flopped. It doesn’t matter that there’s a mountain of objective proof to the contrary.

>>717276290
>3.5 million players
Retard.

Stop arguing with a raiding tranny already, he's here for (you)s

>>717276290
It’s 3.5M sales and the headline is clickbait

>>717273798
>the game is taken even a fraction as seriously as the other, more popular fighting games
What more popular fighting games? SF6 and Tekken? Because everyone hates current Tekken. And SF players gave negative fucks about BB or Xrd or whatever other game.

Have you ever considered that maybe you're out of touch and you and your five losers friends don't represent any significant audience? Y'know like that other Anon keeps telling you?

>>717240878
>games NEED support or else players drop
that means the game was shit.

>>717276398
>It’s 3.5M sales
and thats a bad thing how exactly?

>>717276556
>my besties on discord don't have a problem with it
>so nobody does
when your arguments are this weak people can just "no u" in response and then there's no actual discourse happening

>>717276635
>my no ones with /v/ have a problem with it
>so everyone does
when your arguments are this weak people can just "no u" in response and then there's no actual discourse happening

>>717267217
>I don't play this game
the anthem of the groomergear apologist

>>717276627
When did I say it was?

>>717276383
seethe loser

Okay fellas, let's make a simple food analogy since we're all clearly running a few burgers short.
>there's a restaurant
>there are 100 people in the restaurant
>the restaurant hires a tranny as entertainment
>25 people leave the restaurant and never come back because they don't like the tranny
>50 "people" heard that there's a tranny so they come to the restaurant
The restaurant has 125 customers in it but it still lost 25 patrons. It's very possible that the restaurant could've gained those 50 customers in a way that didn't alienate 25 existing customers.

>>717276789
you said its clickbait

>>717276923
Yes the op article was clickbait

>>717276902
thats not a food analogy thats a business metaphor you fucking orc

>>717277004
ohhh i thought you meant what i was saying is clickbait fuck you anyway

>>717276902
It's more like there's 25 people in the restaurant then they change stuff and hire a bunch of people including one tranny and then get like 1000 people coming instead as they lose 20 of the original 25. As in the original people are now not worth pandering to as the restaurant owners learned 3 years ago with their official dragon ball collaboration.

>>717277407
>there was a 40x increase in players when Bridget came out
If this isn't what you're trying to say then I genuinely don't understand what you are trying to communicate by changing the numbers in your example.

>>717277516
I'm talking about when strive as a whole released you idiot with it being considerably larger than the entire series after not giving a damn about the people playing xx or Xrd . 500 probably would be more accurate yes but it still works.

>>717238327 (OP)
Now that I think about it, covering Millia's legs was a huge redflag about arcsys westernization.

>>717270193
Theres no theme. The clothes are too casual. Remove the X from her hair and she'll be a background NPC.

>>717276635
>my besties on discord don't have a problem with it
That's literally what you're saying though. Everyone else has been talking about other metrics. This is just projection from your part.

Good riddance. GG went from cool designs to
>WHAT IF THE CHARACTER WEARS A BELT BUCKLE AS SHIRT AND ZIPPO LIGHTERS FOR SHOES

>>717278497
>fell for clickbait award