Thread 717273937

Why don't they make more games that have a focus on side quests and side material? This game had TERRIBLE dungeons and I always dread replaying them and rebeating bosses but the quests were so kino.

>This game had TERRIBLE dungeons
retard pleb alert

>>717274063
Nah they're right. The only "interesting" dungeon was the inverted stone tower.

For whatever reason all Zelda games HAVE to have some variation of forest, fire, and water stages.

>>717274962
Yeah, it’s like they’re contractually obligated to stick to the elemental trio every single time. I get the tradition angle, but it just ends up feeling stale after a few games. Inverted Stone Tower was the only time they actually went galaxy-brain with design and mechanics. Everything else feels like dev autopilot. Would kill for a game that ditched the formula entirely and just leaned into weird, interconnected side content. You can tell that’s where the dev passion was.

Because publishers don't want time and money wasted mainly on stuff some people might miss It's why secret/multiple endings fell out of style too.

>>717273937 (OP)
>Why don't they make more TRUE zelda games
OoT hit it big so now they make linear movieslop

>>717275003
pretty much this. it might make for a better game but it feels like wasted dev time to make something only a very small % of your audience will experience

>>717275078
>TRUE Zelda focuses on side quests
No

>>717274962
>>717274984
In what fucking universe would anybody consider SNOWhead temple a fire dungeon?

>>717273937 (OP)
uhhhh Breath of the Wild
Tears of the Kingdom

way to out yourself as arrested development

>>717274984
Agreed. Like even in this game we got another setting outside of Hyrule, which means cannocally there are other kingdoms. It would be cool if they explored other areas of the world and had some different stages.

Like look at OoT, the Spirit Temple was really cool and using the mechanic of having to turn back into kid Link was really cool (I wish they did more of that). Shadow Temple was a fucking TORTURE dungeon and was next to a cemetery. They could never make that again now.

>>717273937 (OP)
FFXII

>>717275003
True. I feel like 90% of people play a game once or twice and that's it outside of truly kino games. Most people just play it once and then watch all the secret endings on Youtube.

>>717273937 (OP)
Majora's Mask is kino.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6WP5GQ6iFo

>>717275521
There's lava pools in it, it's a fire temple.

>>717276586
By that logic, Woodfall and the Stone Temple are also fire temples by virtue of having torches.
In addition to all of the temples in Oot + Dodongo's Cavern + the Deku Tree.

Majora's Mask= 4chan
Ocarina of Time= Reddit
Wind Waker= Twitter
Twilight Princess= 9gag

>>717273937 (OP)
Because that's a design philosophy born out of limitations, in this case hardware and time limitations. Most games nowadays have more than enough horsepower and can take a decade to be developed, so there's no reason to expand on secondary goals on the world they created.

>>717275078
they never remade anything like OOT also you weren't born

>>717273937 (OP)
The only bad dungeon in Majora is Great Bay Temple.

>>717276930
Stop being an autist it's clearly meant to be the MM equivalent of Fire Temple with its vertical design. Ice and snow instead of fire and lava is just cosmetic.

>>717277113
Who still uses 9gag in 2025

>>717278860
They know this they're just coping with the fact that they recycle the same shit every game, they even had the Goron race in those mountains.

>>717273937 (OP)
Even Nintendo themselves don't like majora. What you're asking for has been deemed 'unviable' by basically every corporation on the planet.
Also MM had great dungeons that use the transformation masks in fun ways.

>>717275281
>>717277438
True zelda focuses on exploration, trial and error
no dungeon shit like OoT slop

>>717276586
At the very bottom, that aren't even used in any puzzles. 90% of the tower is snow/winter themed.

>>717273937 (OP)
MM has 3 of the better dungeons in the 3D games until Skyward Sword.
Stone Tower's only problem is the ocarina song, which will inevitably be streamlined with modding if it hasn't happened already.

>>717280732
there isn't a single zelda before oot that didn't have "dungeon slop" as a core mechanics.

>>717281371
>Core mechanic
vs
>The entire game revolves around them
Yes anon, and OoT also had breakable weapons

>>717274984
>>717275521
>>717276586
>>717276930
>>717278860
>the MM equivalent

they're inverted dungeons.

>swamp temple - sunken jungle - inverted forest
>ice temple - frozen volcano - inverted ire
>sewer temple - steel water management facility - inverted water

finally stone temple tower is an earth temple that actually inverts itself into a sky temple.

everything is topsy turvy in termina... the MOON is coming DOWN.

>>717277113
wtf i love 9gag now

>>717273937 (OP)
terrible dungeons? while I agree I'd love at least two more what we got were the best dungeons in the series
>b-b-but TP!
played it and the game has no redeemable aspects, dungeons were ugly and easy too

>>717280539
Why did they hate it? Some love it.

>>717273937 (OP)
Majora's mask doesn't have terrible dungeons, it just has less of them

>>717274962
>they
nigger we're all males here, stop it with this bullshit gender neutral faggotry

>>717283232
It was rushed, with the guy who directed it (Koizumi) basically being forced to make it. Aonuma is clearly embarrased by it to, considering all the "fixes" he tried to do in MM3D.

>>717273937 (OP)
>terrible dungeons
How?

>>717274962
Nah swamp snow and ocean were all original locations.

>>717283352
fewer

>>717284218
It's a shame I never owned a 3DS because it seems like there were a ton of great games for it

>>717273937 (OP)
i can agree with your assessment of quality, but only extending to woodfall. it's too short, the theme of being dank poisonous and spooky isn't sold very well, and the boss is absurdly easy. if you don't count the OoT child dungeons, i'd say it's probably the worst overall dungeon from the N64 zelda era.
however, the temples are at least mid-tier, beating out a chunk of competition from OoT.

>>717275783
>quest: collect 1000 muffins
>woooah this is EPIC side content!!

>>717284218
I thought they wanted to make another zelda game but they were just given a horrible deadline.

>>717283232
They hated it much that they kicked Koizumi off of Zelda forever. To be fair, it was considered the "black sheep" for awhile. Sakurai gave it some love in Smash though and even the Animal Crossing team added Anju's shirt in the NA version of the GameCube game so it wasn't entirely loathed. It was mainly Aonuma and Miyamoto getting brutally mogged at improvising Zelda lore that made them decide he shouldn't be directing it anymore.

>>717285003
Why was it ever considered a black sheep? I loved it as a kid and so did the other kids in knew of that played it. It was just another fun Zelda game to us, but on fairness kids aren't that picky when it comes to games.

>>717284218
>>717285003
It makes complete sense that Nintendo dislikes MM. When's the last time you heard them making a good decision?

>>717284970
Aonuma wanted to make wind waker, so shiggy told him he could, but only if he managed to make one last N64 zelda.
Koizumi was dragged in because they wanted to steal his time loop idea for his cops and robbers game that never got made.

>>717285183
it's not that it was received poorly, it's that the behind-the-scenes for the game is entirely constructed on lazy practices and tricky design.
when you look at the game with a wider view, it's a massive asset flip with completely made up lore and uses a system mechanic that forces players to pace themselves and constantly repeat content to actually complete the game. the three-day system EXTREMELY artificially lengthens the amount of existing content in the game.
this is a lot of what would be considered bad practice, and for a mainline zelda game? i can understand why nintendo would be internally quite negative about this. it's like music artists who hate their own hit singles, like jani lane of warrant's "cherry pie", a song that was written in 15 minutes on the back of a pizza box. they consider it below the creative effort that should be required for one of their crown jewel franchises.

>>717285183
It was mainly the time limit mechanic, saving, and some small things that made it off-putting for casual players. Basically look up the list of changes from MM3D and it'll paint a picture of how the original didn't appeal to everyone. Especially when it came out right after OoT, which is a tough act to follow.

>>717285864
It sounds to me like those retards need to chill out and remember how to enjoy playing video games.

>>717284894
Correct, they did forests/swamps a lot better in Breath of the Wild

>>717287724
>>717285931
The time mechanic was very unique and to this date there really hasn't been anything made like it. Plus it's probably one of the darkest Zelda games in terms of story and people accepting their inevitable fate.

Most of the updates are basically quality of life improvements and allowing you to better choose what time to warp to so you don't have to wait.

>>717285183
No Ganon, no Zelda, Time mechanic and it reused a lot of the same assets. It didn't get sell nearly as much as OoT did though so it took awhile for people to actually play it.

>>717274962
Shit taste. The poison water and the rotating flowers in the swamp temple, and the entire pillar in the center of the snow temple are top tier. I also like the Great Bay Temple, but collecting all the fairies is my least favorite part of that section of the game.

>>717284964
quest: monsters terrorizing the stable cannot draw water from the well
can approach it from many different vantages including a stealthy from the well approach like metal gear solid type stuff
pretty epic really

>>717289446
Funny how it's the "black sheep" but basically sold the same as Wind Waker even though it came out at the end of the N64's lifecycle.

Also it's no wonder TotK is basically BoW2, this is likely where they'll take the series going forward.

>>717289797
Except it’s maybe two bokoblin that die in 3 hits.